← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Alka
Thread ID: 7529 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2003-06-21
2003-06-21 15:51 | User Profile
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,12070,982067,00.html]http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/...,982067,00.html[/url]
First, the Aussies band together to destroy bad public art... now they're concentrating on getting rid of the rest of the trash.
Gotta love them Aussies. :wub:
2003-06-21 21:55 | User Profile
I don't think running around and beating innocent people is acceptable at all. It is nice that they are racially aware, but ultimately, they are hurting our cause.
2003-06-21 22:53 | User Profile
I guess that all depends on your definition of "innocence." What's missing from the story is the background on the homeless alcohol- and substance-abusing aboriginals - who are the ones getting beat up - who have in all likelihood provoked the reaction they are now getting. People just don't run around beating each other up for no reason. Haven't you heard of all the crimes committed against white Australians by non-whites (Arab rapes etc.)?
This is what happens when good people get pushed to the extreme. You may look down your nose at these people and condemn them, but when you find yourself pushed into a corner by a rising tide of hateful non-whites, will you have the courage to fight back? Or will you lie down and give up simply because some ignorant outsiders judge your actions without knowing all the facts?
Australian aboriginals have lived in the region for tens of thousands of years yet their greatest cultural and technological achievement during that time was the boomerang. The wave of white immigration brought civillization into that land of barbarism. The white immigrants have a right to defend what they have created against those who seek to either steal or destroy it.
2003-06-22 04:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by Alka@Jun 21 2003, 18:53 * *I guess that all depends on your definition of "innocence." What's missing from the story is the background on the homeless alcohol- and substance-abusing aboriginals - who are the ones getting beat up - who have in all likelihood provoked the reaction they are now getting. People just don't run around beating each other up for no reason. Haven't you heard of all the crimes committed against white Australians by non-whites (Arab rapes etc.)?
This is what happens when good people get pushed to the extreme. **
Good people? You're excusing a bunch of drunken skinheads asaulting homeless aboriginals just because "they had it coming"? You're sick. :thd:
2003-06-22 05:00 | User Profile
Originally posted by Alka@Jun 21 2003, 16:53 * Australian aboriginals have lived in the region for tens of thousands of years yet their greatest cultural and technological achievement during that time was the boomerang. The wave of white immigration brought civillization into that land of barbarism. The white immigrants have a right to defend what they have created against those who seek to either steal or destroy it.*
For some reason, I doubt the Australian aboriginals pose much of a threat to white civilization in Australia. Same thing with Indians in the United States. What's done to both of these people is done and to feel guilty over it is idiotic, but then again, it is equally wrong to regard them as 'enemies', when they make up such a small and powerless part of the population.
2003-06-22 16:32 | User Profile
Sick? Me?
No, I just tend to regard what's paraded in the newspapers as a partial truth. You're making the assumption that this is drunken skinheads on a rampage. What I'm looking at, are the mentions of the homeless, and substance/alcohol abuse - which tells me these guys were likely breaking into homes, harassing people.
**According to indigenous community workers, the most serious attacks are not on well-off children like Dwayne but on Aborigines sleeping rough in Townsville's parks - the so-called parkies. **
These weren't just bums sitting around harming only themselves - people like that tend to get left alone. You don't hurt anyone, you don't tend to get hurt yourself. If you think that the newspapers are portraying the situation fairly and honestly, you don't get out enough.
And my comments regarding the Aussies's right to defend themselves against those who would wish to steal or destroy what is theirs, was more directed against waves of violent immigrants who are causing lots of problems down under. But I also support the Aussies in their fight to retain some of what they have created against aboriginal land claims. The aboriginals - much like here in NA - are also filing land claims, etc., which are ridiculously large for their population base.
Here in BC, aboriginals have laid claim to over 110% of the province (because of overlapping claims), while they number only 90,000 aboriginals in a population of over 4 million. FYI BC is 95 million hectares, larger than France and Germany combined. Only 30 countries are larger.
Anyone who thinks these claims are reasonable hasn't thought about it enough. And the situation in Australia is as bad as that here in BC, or so I have heard.
2003-06-22 16:37 | User Profile
I wonder what kind of bums is more repellent, the defecating stinky urine-soaked San Francisco ones, or aborigenal ones? What would you scare while leaping at you from a side street more? :lol:
2003-07-11 00:58 | User Profile
I have lurked here for quite some time, but this board is becoming more like stormfront. You shouldn't support or approve of violence against anyone.
2003-07-11 05:07 | User Profile
Are you pacifists assuming that those white Aussies are irrational haters or something?
2003-07-11 06:19 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Chaucer@Jun 21 2003, 15:55 * ** I don't think running around and beating innocent people is acceptable at all. It is nice that they are racially aware, but ultimately, they are hurting our cause. **
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Because now, the government will have to make some sort of 'financial' amends and may force the whole town to undergo some sort of diversity training (mindwashing), so that it won't happen again. What should have been done is no association, no talking, and total ignoring those that do not belong. Sooner or later, they will have to move. For those who own businesses, get them in the pocket--don't do business with them. It will hopefully cause them to leave town. However, Townsville probably has some pansy white's who feel they need to have a chinese in town in order to have an authentic chinese restaurant, and so on for all other non-whites.
2003-07-11 06:23 | User Profile
*Originally posted by damian@Jun 21 2003, 22:46 * ** Good people? You're excusing a bunch of drunken skinheads asaulting homeless aboriginals just because "they had it coming"? You're sick. :thd: **
Damian,
They probably watched Romper Stomper too many times. I agree, nobody should have done what was done. There are always other ways. Whenever a bunch of Afrikkaners and beaten in South Africa, there is no siding with the blacks there. Nobody should be violently beaten. Use financial, economic, culture isolation and sanctions as a way to cause them to leave on their own.
2003-08-27 04:59 | User Profile
News stories of white Australians attacking aborigines in Townsville are akin to stories of men biting dogs. I'm surprised some of the posters here have been taken in. A police spokesperson in Townsville went so far as to attribute recent attacks by whites to stupidity rather than racism. The local rag - the Townsville Bulletin - though did beg to differ. Of course this is the same paper that devotes reams of pages to problems in indigenous-rich suburbs and nearby aboriginal reserves without ever mentioning the ethnicity of the culprits - unless of course the villians are white. Whilst Townsville is for the most part a wonderful place to live - the same can't be said for nearby Palm Island. This island is an aboriginal reserve - whites for the most part can't visit. In 1993 the Guiness Book of Records described it as the most dangerous place in the world outside a war zone.
2003-08-27 06:04 | User Profile
[url=http://www.hsus.org/ace/19410]A Tropical Paradise? Not for the Wild Horses on Palm Island[/url]
Once considered a tropical paradise, Palm Island, situated about 40 miles off the north shore of Australia, is now making waves as the location of Queensland's worst case of animal cruelty. Hundreds of wild horses on the island have been tortured, beaten, and starved, apparently at the hands of resident teenage gangs.
Animal-welfare inspectors visiting the island have provided photographic and anecdotal evidence of gruesome stabbings; horses, with their legs bound tightly together with wire, who were beaten with blocks of wood; and a mare slashed with a sickle and then doused with battery acid in the open wound. Veteran inspectors were reportedly reduced to tears at the sight of the suffering.
The state government, however, seems reluctant to identify and punish those responsible for these horrors. Authorities in Queensland have even refused to fund the removal of the animals. Palm Islanders, known for their mustering skills, say the horses are an important part of their cultural heritage, and have resisted calls for the animals to be taken away.
2003-08-27 07:15 | User Profile
I have zero problems with violence used to defend one's family, friends or property and feel that violent revenge against the exact people that attacked you, your family and friends is justified. It is true that the aborignal populations in New Zealand and Australia are very prone to crime and substance abuse and that such things are more often the case with homeless people rather then the rest of society. However, nothing in the article indicated that the homeless people that were beaten were treated so because of any particular offenses they personally commited. Obviously, it's possible that the attackers were justified but off hand it sounds like hooliganism which is something I object to in the strongest terms.
If someone is upset with the racial problems facing the town they live in then they should get serious about educating themselves about race, the problems of multi-racialism and the benefits of Eurocentrism. After they have learned a bit they need to get involved with practical, real world public activism. Mindless thugery simply puts frustrated whites into prisions filled with savage sub-humans which destroys any chance of having a life worth living assuming they survive. I condemn thuggery no matter who engages in it.
2003-08-27 10:53 | User Profile
From a local forum:
From: M Brennan Comment: I see certian Aboriginal activists are having plenty to say about the so-called parkies getting harrassed by whites. Well I respectfully suggest they come sit on the Cowboys Club taxi tank with some of us cabbies and watch in some cases quite frail white people getting harrassed by Aboriginals for money, cigs etc. Oh and by the way, a large percentage of these people do have places they can stay -- they choose to live in parks. That's fine but why should others going about their day-to-day business be harrassed? And of course when they are challenged what is the first card they play? you got it -- the race card. It's not about race as there are a few whites who hang with them; it's about the average citizen in this city being able to walk through the mall, go the the Cowboys Club and get a bus/taxi without being subjected to abuse from a minority who use their race as an excuse.
From: Vern Veitch Comment: It is regrettable that there are still people in our society who would propose the sort of action such as that distributed last week in Hermit Park and elsewhere. This type of action is simply not acceptable in today's society. Even the frustration with the ineffectiveness of all levels of government to deal with the problem of street drunks in Townsville does not justify this sort of response. This does not take away however from the need to see some on-ground action regarding the street drunk problem afflicting many of our inner suburbs. Many residents in West End are afraid to walk down the street for fear of being confronted by drunks and becoming unwittingly involved in their regular unsociable antics. Jenny Prior said, "If people don't see action they'll see the system supports this type of thing." This applies equally to the street drunk issue. Street drunks are not only creating a social disaster in West End and other inner suburbs, they are creating an environmental problem and potential health problem for the broader community. A five-minute stroll near the top of Echlin St tells a sad tale of mismanagement by all levels of government. We have heard much about progress on this issue but until we see some on-ground action, it is getting more difficult to believe anything our politicians say on this issue.
From: Gaven Comment: I'm writing in response to your rather amusing editorial of an impending race war. I realise that race relations in Townsville are not quite as harmonious as many of us would like but it is hardly an impending war situation. Unlike the editorial writer I tend to agree with Superintendent John Howell that many so-called racial incidents are acts of stupidity rather than acts driven by racial violence. I suspect this applies to thugs of both races. This hardly seems to be the view of the Bulletin though. The problem as reported by the Bulletin seems to be one of shaven white nasties animated by racial animus. No mention is made of black-on-white violence -- but then I presume in the Bulletin's eyes that really isn't a problem. The Bulletin seems to have figured it all out -- even if the police haven't.
From: Rob Talbot Comment: I detest skinhead mentality, their chosen violent behaviour and their attitude towards others who are different from them. To be absolutely fair, I have seen the same kind of attitudes shown by some Aboriginal people towards each other and those who are not like them -- intolerance, aggression and a general devaluing of others' worth. It is not so much white against black, or black against white, it is old-fashioned ignorance and it is within us all to make a change for the better if we so choose. About time we did. Whether it be skinheads hassling Aboriginal kids or Aboriginals abusing white people, let's rise above this -- it's just stupid. One group attacks you and so you get your own group together and attack anyone who looks like the ones who attacked you, and so on it goes, like a dog chasing its tail, round and round in a circle of violence that is so unnecessary. Grow up, get a life. All of you.
From: Merle Trembath Comment: I'm sure everyone agrees that a lot more could be done for the Aboriginal community. Why isn't their appointed body, ATSIC, doing more to improve the lot of their brothers? There are orgaisations which take people who need help to country areas (farming or cattle stations )to teach them physical, emotional and practical skills to enable to lead a normal life in society. Again, why isn't ASTIC conducting such basic survival skills? On the other hand, if anyone of white skin were to commit anti-social acts in the parks there would be a huge hue and cry. Just because a person's skin is black, everyone is scared to be called a racist if they complain. Regarless of who you are, black or white, you must live your life within the confines of the society in which you live or wear the consequences. As for our Mayor Tony Mooney, he is the first one to support and encourage any indigenous person or cause -- the present criticism is totally unfair.
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2003-09-11 12:59 | User Profile
I must say, that British article was blow totally out of proportion and obviously the rather dubious article's short existence was spent in a tabloid.
Recluse, I draw attention to Merle Trembath's reference to ATSIC... ( Australian Torres Strait Islander Commission) and that 'it should do more for its people'.
Well Geoff Clark ( leader) has been dogged with controversy. He is still fighting off allegations of Incestral Pedophillia, Violence in a pub and (of all things) corruption.
A great, responsible leader for a great race of people. ( sarcastic).
Here in Australia's liberal society the Aboriginals thrive on the generous welfare systems in place for all. Because of this generous offering, most Aboriginals are spoon fed commenwealth cash on a weekly/fortnightly basis ( thursdays). Thursdays are notorious for many reasons , most notably: a) Alchohol related violence ( including domestic violence) within Aboriginals increases significantly B) Crime is huge over the weekends and 'drunk tanks' are busier than entire schools.
Maybe not all white Australians are wealthy, but they do have social dignity and responsibility. Maybe this is why they are responsible enough to work hard in school, obtain decent jobs; if not both then at least save enough of their welfare cheque to pay for rent so they don't endup living in parks to become the laughing stock of entire communities.