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2003-06-20 05:01 | User Profile
[SIZE=2]Fan Convicted Over Racist Chant[/SIZE] [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2993908.stm]bbc.co.uk[/url] | 06/16/2003
[SIZE=2]A football fan who took part in racist chanting at a match has been convicted in a landmark court case.[/SIZE]
Two High Court judges ruled the 21-year-old fan should have been convicted of a criminal offence when he came before magistrates.
In what is understood to be the first case of its kind to reach the High Court, the judges ruled Sean Ratcliffe, from Cross Heath, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire, was guilty of chanting in "a racialist nature".
The chanting came under the 1991 Football (Offences) Act, they said.
Ratcliffe was in a crowd of fans of second division Port Vale who used a chant containing the word "Paki" at Oldham Athletic supporters during a league match at the Port Vale ground at Stoke-on-Trent in October last year.
Lord Justice Auld, sitting with Mr Justice Goldring, said it was clear the word "Paki" - short for Pakistani - was "a slang expression which is racially offensive".
'Unpleasant context'
They dismissed any suggestion it could be used affectionately in the manner of "Aussie" or "Brit".
The judge said: "It is odd and a shame that this is so in this country, but the unpleasant context in which it is so often used has left it with a derogatory or insulting, racialist connotation."
The ruling overturned a decision by Stoke-on-Trent Magistrates' Court district judge Graham Richards in January to acquit Ratcliffe on the basis the chant was "mere doggerel" and need not be classed as an offence.
The judges also took the unusual step of telling the magistrates' court to pay the estimated ã1,000 costs of the appeal by the Director of Public Prosecutions.
After the hearing, Maureen Shea, head of trials for the Crown Prosecution Service in north Staffordshire, said: "It is clarification of the fact that 'Paki' is derogatory and racialist within the terms of this Act.
"If any football crowd is chanting, and the word Paki, or Pakis, is in the chant, it is going to contravene the act."
é 2003 bbc.co.uk
2003-06-20 12:17 | User Profile
"No, no, no I was saying tacky their uniforms are tacky." :naughty:
2003-06-21 15:05 | User Profile
I read this article a couple of days ago and I was at the same time outraged and puzzled.
Here in British Columbia, we have a large population of East Indians (who seem to excel at killing people with their "driving skills" and each other in violent gang warfare). I've spoken with several who identified themselves as Paki. The word itself means 'pure' as 'Pakistan' translates to "land of the pure." As I recall, no Paki I've ever met was insulted by being (accurately) called this. It's what they call each other!
How is it that the term seems to have such a completely different connotation across the ocean? It doesn't make sense.
This is simply more evidence that the British are lunatics. Everywhere there has been a British influence, you will find extremist liberals on a powertrip. I wonder what it is about the British that seems to encourage this behaviour...
2003-06-21 15:30 | User Profile
**This is simply more evidence that the British are lunatics. Everywhere there has been a British influence, you will find extremist liberals on a powertrip. I wonder what it is about the British that seems to encourage this behaviour... **
The North American experience at the hands of 'New Englanders', from about 1620 to about 1913, would seem to verify this.
2003-06-21 15:41 | User Profile
I recall hearing from an English friend that when the Tottenham football club, which has a large Jewish following, took the field, fans of the opposing team would 'hiss' to sound like sound like gas valves (oh vey, another Holocaust!). Such 'racist' chants have always been part of football, but now they're (FIFA and other regulatory powers in the sport) trying to clean up the 'laddie' image associated with the game.
The British are the worst race traitors in history, I agree. :thd:
2003-06-26 19:56 | User Profile
**This is simply more evidence that the British are lunatics. Everywhere there has been a British influence, you will find extremist liberals on a powertrip. I wonder what it is about the British that seems to encourage this behaviour... **
Calvin and Cromwell, Freemasonry and "British Israel". Can you think of any other European/Aryan people who actually want to be Jews so badly that they invent a convoluted religious fantasy to "prove" it? From Spain to Russia, everyone else in Europe despised Jews and wanted to keep them at a distance. No Pole or Ukrainian ever wanted to be a Jew...they were damn glad they weren't!
2003-06-27 00:21 | User Profile
Originally posted by 2600@Jun 21 2003, 15:41 * *I recall hearing from an English friend that when the Tottenham football club, which has a large Jewish following, took the field, fans of the opposing team would 'hiss' to sound like sound like gas valves (oh vey, another Holocaust!). Such 'racist' chants have always been part of football, but now they're (FIFA and other regulatory powers in the sport) trying to clean up the 'laddie' image associated with the game.
The British are the worst race traitors in history, I agree. :thd:**
I don't really follow this anglophobia, in spite of our rban :dung: . After all, Andrew Young said "the British invented racism". And the British chant isn't exactly PC.
2003-06-27 00:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by NativeExile@Jun 26 2003, 19:56 * *Calvin and Cromwell, Freemasonry and "British Israel".
Can you think of any other European/Aryan people who actually want to be Jews so badly that they invent a convoluted religious fantasy to "prove" it?** Er, excuse me, but 1. Calvin was French, 2. Freemasonry was I think more French than British, and at any rate quickly became universal, as was its want (I think) and 3. the British Church (Anglican) establishment hardly is a group associated with dispensationalism, let alone "British-Israel". Dispensationalism is more of an American fad, while hardcore British-Israel I always thought associated principly with a few Adventist sects like the Worldwide Church of God. Adventists have a very marginal reputation in British countries.
From Spain to Russia, everyone else in Europe despised Jews and wanted to keep them at a distance. No Pole or Ukrainian ever wanted to be a Jew...they were damn glad they weren't!
I guess you never heard of the Russian Revolution.
2003-06-27 00:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Jun 26 2003, 20:39 * Yes, NativeExile.... I also note the wealth, power, and per capita income of Imperial Britain compared to such advanced nations as Ukraine and Poland. Boy, wanting to be like Jews sure hurt England in the 19th Century didn't it?*
You guys including you rban, obviously have never seen one of those films where British aristocrats are painted as rabid anti-semites. Strange that asupposed Brit wouldn't pick up on this.
2003-06-27 00:43 | User Profile
**Strange that a supposed Brit wouldn't pick up on this. **
He's not a Brit. He's a Paki!
2003-06-27 01:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Jun 27 2003, 00:43 * ** > *Strange that a supposed Brit wouldn't pick up on this. **
He's not a Brit. He's a Paki! **
Guess you never read what he said about the Paki's.
Unless he's a Hindu Paki originally. (But I think that's a basic contridiction)
2003-06-27 01:11 | User Profile
**Guess you never read what he said about the Paki's. **
Sure I did.
The point is, all South Asians, whether Pakistani, Sikh, Hindu, Sri Lanakan whatever, consider the word paki a huge insult. It is in fact much worse than ngger*. **
But I have a longer memory than that - I also recall his defamatory comments towards any number of white ethnic groups when he first began posting here. No way am I passing up a chance to give him a dose of his own medicine!
2003-06-27 05:00 | User Profile
Comedy Central on Line 4 for you, rban.
By the way I've been watching that Bollywood festival on TCM this past month. Do you people even know how to make a movie less than 3 1/2 hours long? I especially love those impromptu song-and-dance numbers that spring up out of nowhere, with no warning, during the most serious passages. You wacky Pakis.....
2003-06-27 05:12 | User Profile
Hindu movies were very popular in the muslim republics of the USSR. Same mentality and lust for chunky swarthy women.
2003-06-28 01:09 | User Profile
**I guess you never heard of the Russian Revolution. **
Yes, Frederick, I have heard of the "Russian" Revolution, in reality a Jew Bolshevik coup against the Russian people, culture, and religion, and one which the Anglo-American establishment helped to facilitate (despite the inconvenient fact that Russia was Britain and America's WWI ally) by allowing Trotsky to continue his Schiff-financed journey after having intially arrested him. But then, it 's not called Perfidious Albion for nothing. As for Calvin, he was about as French as a blood pudding, and except for the Huguenots, had no real influence on the French. It remained for the English and lowland Scots to to take his Judaizing of western Christianity seriously. British Freemasonry was (and is) a different animal than the French version, and was riddled with the Judeophillia that continental masonry often lacked. Israel=England fantasies are found even among the more established religion, even if it's supposed to be only "metaphorical" or "symbolic". I won't doubt that "anti-Semitism" existed among the upper class (as it certainly did among the middle and lower classes), but whatever some movie purports to show, the fact remains that Britian and its American offshoots have consistently performed as the protectors and promoters of Jewish power and interests. Reluctantly at times, perhaps, in a sort of suspicious mutual parasitism, but effectively at every juncture. End of argument. Period. As for the ever repulsive rban, it doesn't surprise me that you regard Anglos as superior, for they are certainly superior to the nation of rat, snake, and cow worshippers that you spring from, and all your vaunted Hindu "superiority" and "civilization" was completely a result of the British occupation of India. Without them, you'd be...Cambodia. But this is just the problem...the White Man's Burden, the little brown brother...Limeys thought nothing of "uplifting" (by force, if necessary) your ilk while crushing the legitmate national aspirations of other White nations. This sort of moralistic hypocrisy married to naked self-interest has ever been the hallmark of the British Imperial character, and the main reason why they have been so mistrusted and despised for so long. It's what makes them amenable to alliances with Jews, to thinking like them, and to fantasizing a common origin with them.
2003-06-28 01:47 | User Profile
Originally posted by Frederick William I@Jun 26 2003, 18:21 * * After all, Andrew Young said "the British invented racism". **
Here I thought the Jews invented it. Most likely apocryphal, but I have read that Leon Trotsky invented the term racism. It would be appropriate that the Jew who helped mastermind the death gulags for Russians, would be the man who invented the term racism, perfectly Orwellian, and talmudic too.
2003-06-28 12:32 | User Profile
**WE civilized the British, not the other way around. Our civilization is 5000 years old, my ignorant friend; we were building cities with sewers while all Europeans were leaping from trees like a bunch of white negro apes. **
Like when you outlawed that horrible British custom of burning a widow alive on her husband's funeral pyre? If you had sewers 5,000 years ago, what happened to them in the interim? Did you just decide to save expenses by turning the whole country into one big sewer? BTW, the same year repeated 5,000 times isn't progress or civilization. It's stagnation. Europe created more culture and innovation in a shorter period of time than any previous civilization. We may have started late, but we grabbed the ball and ran wild with it. The rest of the world is still trying vainly to catch up. Your anxious, envy-driven chest-thumping will never change that.
2003-06-28 17:32 | User Profile
**Alka, most East Indians in BC are not Pakistani at all, they are Sikh. Pakistan actually means Land of the Fair People; Sikhs in Vancouver are violent terrorists who support a state called Khalistan (Land of the Pure). **
That's a very interesting and important distinction, the extent of which I wasn't aware. Thanks for that update. It certainly explains the differences between the friendlier East Indians I've met and those who glared at me with sullen and suspicious looks.
And I certainly didn't know the word was so widely offensive elsewhere; I'll bear that in mind. One man's compliment is another's insult.
**The trouble with Canada, of course, is that the govt has systematically picked out the worst religions and ethnicities from South Asia and imported them. **
Can't help but agree.
However, if by your argument Indian Hindus are so superior, and the rest of Canada being populated (in your opinion) solely by morons, how do you explain the fact that your allegedly superior race hasn't taken over yet? What - are you biding your time? Waiting for the right moment? Is it better to take over a country in the summer months when you can have a good outdoor party to celebrate? Or might it be that you're not the "master race" you apparently think you are? :lol:
**Defamatory comments about European ethnic groups are a completely separate category from what I am talking about. **
Hypocritical, self-contradictory, simplistic, completely idiotic.
**None of you people can come close enough to OUR civilization. **
You write this in English, on a computer invented by whites, using programs invented by whites, using utilities built by and invented by whites, his worthless ass sitting in a country discovered by, colonized, and governed by whites. LMAO
NativeExile: there is something about the British psyche that lends itself to insanity, I think. The phrase "only mad dogs and Englishmen" wasn't coined for no reason.
Frederick William I: My anglophobia stems primarily from the fact that wherever there is a majority of British, there is a tradition of infectious extreme liberalism. Look at the UK, Canada, Australia, the USA - all countries which were settled primarily by the British - what are their policies regarding immigration, civil rights, support of Israel, etc.? Think about it a while, and anglophobia not only makes sense, but is demanded of any principled rationalist.
**I guess you never heard of the Russian Revolution. **
Pardon? The Russians were subjected to a harsh tyranny and genocide after Jews took over their country. The Russians didn't want to be Jewish, and for that they were slaughtered en masse. Re-read your history.
2003-07-17 00:45 | User Profile
Alka
Please allow me to be of some small service in assisting you in identifying those darkie wallahs who you do seem to have a lot of these days in BC. I know it's fiendishly difficult, they do all tend to look alike - an rban isn't a lot of help is he?
Here's the simple way. The ones with the dot (aka 'push-starters') are the Hindoos, the ones with the turban (pull-start) are the Sikhs. And the ones that run Indian restaurants are Bangladeshi.
Hope that helps.
And regarding your anglophobia why not go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down.