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A brief reference on life and death of General ANDREY ANDREYEVICH VLASOV, the successor of the White Movement, commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of his death as a martyr in Stalinââ¬â¢s torture-chambers. Compiled by P. Budzilovich for the Congress of Russian-Americans.
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Each year, a requiem service is held in front of the monument dedicated to the participants of the Russian Liberation Movement, on the grounds of the scenic cemetery located at the Novo-Diveevo Russian Orthodox Convent in the city of Spring Valley, New York, U.S.A. This service is conducted annually for General Andrey Andreyevich Vlasov -- murdered in the Lubyanka torture-chambers in August, 1946 -- and his brothers-in-arms who defied and died in the struggle against international communism, the enemy of the Russian people.
Regretfully, in spite of all the propaganda rejoicing over the fall of communism-Marxism, democratization, privatization, etc., Vlasovââ¬â¢s name, as well as the names of other Russian patriots who, arms in hand, came out against communism, have not to-date been cleansed of the lies and dirt which had been heaped upon them since 1942 by the enslavers of Russia -- the communists. Their hatred of Vlasov is readily understandable: He dared to continue the Russian peopleââ¬â¢s struggle, which was launched in 1918 by the "Whites," and which had not ceased throughout the communist domination, even up to and including the present times. Moreover, he did not follow in the footsteps of Lenin-Trotsky betrayal of Russia, who surrendered half of Russia to the Germans to save their own skins, and who concluded a shameful "Peace of Brest-Litovsk." Vlasov, even while held a prisoner of war by the Germans, stood firmly by his position of equality with (and not subordination to) the Germans. Inasmuch as the history of the Russian Liberation Movement and its leader, A. Vlasov -- in the course of 50 years -- has been presented in a perjured and distorted manner (as has all of Russiaââ¬â¢s "War for the Fatherland"), an attempt will be made here to summarize briefly some facts about Vlasov and the 1941-45 war.
Andrey Vlasov, a peasant's son, was born on September 1, 1900 in the village of Lomakino, Nizhegorodskaya Province. His grandfather had been a serf. His father was determined to give his children an education; Vlasov finished school and entered a Russian Orthodox seminary
During the February and October coup d'etats in 1917, Vlasov was a student in the 4th course of the seminary. Like the majority of the Russian people, he knew little of the Bolsheviks. All he knew was that which was served by their screaming and lying propaganda: "Peace unto the huts -- war unto the palaces," "Rob that which has been looted," "Land to the peasants, factories to the workers," etc.
In 1918, Vlasov enrolled as a freshman into the Nizhegorodskii State University. But the times were bad for studying, the country was ablaze in a civil war. The "military communism" raged in those regions where power was seized by the Bolsheviks. Workers were set against the peasants, peasants were set against workers. All this was done in the name of "a bright future", which was, according to the "party line," just around the corner... as soon as the next "enemy of the people" was annihilated. Few realized at that time that, first and foremost, it would be all the Russian people and all that is Russian that would become that "enemy."
In the spring of l9l9, at the height of the Civil War, Andrey Andreyevich was drafted into the Red Army and soon was sent to attend officers' courses. After four months, he was dispatched to the Southern Front. In the early 1920, he becomes a company commander and, soon afterwards, the assistant to the Operations Section Division Headquarters Commander. Headquarters duties did not sit well with young Vlasov, and he soon was put in charge of foot (soldier) and cavalry reconnaissance in one of the divisionââ¬â¢s regiments.
In the course of the Civil War he gave all of his energy to the struggle for the "bright future" (as did many young people of his age).
As the Civil War drew to a close in 1923, the Red Army was reduced from 6 million to 600,000. Divisions shrinked to regiments, regiments -- to battalions. As a result, Vlasov was appointed a company commander which, in short order, became an exemplary unit. On the day of the 5th anniversary of the Red Army, Vlasov was awarded a silver watch, with his name engraved upon it, and in 1924 he was put in charge of the regimental school of the 26th rifle regiment, where he was to spend the next four years.
In 1928, Vlasov was commandeered to attend the Advanced Rifle-Tactical Course for improving the command staff. Upon completion of this course, he returns to his regiment where he becomes a Battalion Commander.
In 1930 Andrey Andreyevich is the Tactics Instructor in the Leningrad Command Staff Retraining School and he becomes a member of the CPSU(B). In that very same year he receives additional training at the Military Schools Instructor Improvement Course. Returning to Leningrad with an excellent record, he continues his work at the school as the Assistant Commander of the Training Section until 1933.
In 1935, Vlasov becomes the Assistant to Combat Training Chief of the Leningrad Military District Headquarters. Once, while inspecting the district together with the Deputy Commander of the Leningrad Military District Armed Forces, Corps Commander Primakoff, they determined that the 11th Rifle Regiment of the 4th Turkestan Division was in a poor state of readiness. To remedy this situation, Andrey Andreyevich took over as this regimentââ¬â¢s Commander . Later, after the regiment was brought up to excellent standards, Vlasov was given the 137th Rifle Regiment which soon moved into first place in the Kiev Military District, following which Vlasov became the Assistant Commander of the 72nd Division.
In 1938, Timoshenko, who was commander of the Kiev Military District, assigns Colonel Vlasov as the districtââ¬â¢s Section Chief of Headquarters Combat Training . But, in this very same year, 1938, Vlasov is sent off to China as Headquarters Chief, subordinate to the Military Advisor in China, Division Commander Cherepanoff. In November, 1939, he is recalled to the Soviet Union. Chiang-Kai-Shek awards Andrey Andreyevich the Golden Order of the Dragon for his excellent work in organizing the Chinese Army.
The purges of these years which devastated the ranks of Red Army commanders, forced Vlasov to ask himself: Is it possible that all these commanders, with some of whom he had made the long journey from the days of the Civil War, were enemies of the people? Further suspicions crept into his mind about life in the countryside (including his dear Lomakino): The arrests of the "kulaks", a slave-like and hungry existence, the tyranny of the kolkhoz chairmen...
But war was knocking at the door. Vlasov is given the command of the 99th Rifle Division. In just nine months, under Vlasov ââ¬Ës leadership, the division is recognized as the best in the Kiev Military District in 1940. After getting to know it better, Marshall Timoshenko concludes that it is the best in the entire Red Army! The division was awarded three challenge banners: The Banner of the Best Rifle Regiment, the Banner of the Best Artillery Regiment, and the Banner of the Best Overall Division. The Peopleââ¬â¢s Commissar for Defense awards Andrey Andreyevich a gold watch engraved with his name, while the government awards him the Lenin Order, the highest Soviet award. As all this was happening, terror reigned in the country, churches were being destroyed, arrests were taking place, an artificial hunger was created, people were being shot...
In 1941, amid this atmosphere of mass terror, oppression, ethnic humiliation and hunger, Hitler's Germany attacked the Soviet Union. The war began with a "blitz" offensive by the Germans and with a huge propaganda campaign that exposed the numerous criminal acts of the hated Soviet regime. Millions of leaflets, scattered by aircraft along the front and in the rear, called upon the Russian people to join the Germans in the struggle against COMMUNISM. The leaflets aimed to convince the Russian people that the Germans were not fighting against them, but against COMMUNISM.
German propaganda was like a spark lighting a powder keg: Soviet soldiers by the hundreds of thousands crossed over to the German side. For the first time in Russiaââ¬â¢s military history, Russian soldiers in Soviet uniforms not only willingly came over to the enemyââ¬â¢s side, but they were asking the Germans to give them weapons to fight against communism! The lower-level German officers, unaware of the true intent of German political leadership and accepting its own propaganda at its face value, often took into their own ranks Soviet prisoners of war, particularly as non-combatant "aids." In numerous memoirs of Soviet marshals and generals, this period of the war is buried in lies, while the successes of the Germans are explained by all sorts of impossible "objective" reasons.
Towards autumn of 1941, the German army had occupied a dominant part of the European USSR and came within a few kilometers of Moscow. By this time, close to four million(!) Soviet soldiers had crossed over or taken prisoners by the Germans. It seemed as though the days of the USSR were numbered.
The successes of the summer campaign gave Hitler good reasons to conclude that the Soviet Union had been defeated and that it was time to implement his true intentions: The annihilation of Russia (not the USSR!) as an independent state, and of the Russians as a nation. Minister for "Eastern regions" Alfred Rosenbergââ¬â¢s plans called for: Transforming the European part of Russia into a German colony, liquidating the majority of the Russian population, while converting the remainder into slaves for the German settlers. The Soviet Union would be permitted to exist beyond the Urals, in Siberia. Moreover, various non-Russian nationalities (Ukrainians, the Balts, Belorussians, people from the Caucasus and others) would be granted some privileges. "Measuring others with their own yardstick," Rosenberg and, with his advice, Hitler, were convinced that all non-Russians thought themselves oppressed by the Russians and would gladly, given the opportunity, come out against the Russians.
In practice, these plans were implemented through mass starving prisoners of war and the looting of the civilian population. Prisoners of war (the majority of whom had surrendered to the Germans voluntarily) were put, en masse, into open fields ringed with barbed wire and were given neither food nor water. The death rate in such camps was no less than that of Soviet own concentration camps. The local populace, in attempting to pass food to the prisoners of war dying from hunger, was often fired upon by the guards.
The results of such a policy soon became readily apparent. Rumors of German conduct quickly spread throughout the entire country. As the winter of 1941 came, the Soviet Army suddenly displayed the ability to fight. The number of surrendering Soviet soldiers fell sharply. The Germans were thrown back from Moscow toward Smolensk, thanks in no small way to Vlasov.
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The caption in this 1942 poster by V. Ivanov reads: "Slaughter [them], bayonette [them], run {them] down, take [them] prisoners!" By A. Suvorov, an XVIIIth-century famous Russian military commander who hasn't lost a single battle during his carreer. The quote by Stalin above the picture reads: "Let the heroic images of our great ancestors inspire you in this war!" [Rather than the image of Marx-Lenin-Stalin].
Stalin, on his part, was quick to profit from Hitlerââ¬â¢s blunders. As shown in the poster depicted above, the very same Stalin, who summarized the entire Russian history in his famous statement that "everyone always defeated Russia," suddenly calls the Russian people be inspired "by the example of our ancestors" (and not by the examples of Marx-Engels-Lenin!)
Right after the war started, Soviet propaganda, knowing that Russian people would not fight and die for the "Soviet Motherland," began to paint this war as a "War for the Fatherland," as a struggle of the Russian people for their Motherland, and not in defense of communism and communists, against foreign invaders. Those very same propagandists who, on the eve of the war smeared all things Russian, now spoke of nothing other than "the great past of the Russian people," and of their "glorious military traditions." Soon thereafter, the Army introduced officer ranks and officerââ¬â¢s epaulets -- those very same epaulets that, during the Civil War, were carved out on the officersââ¬â¢ flesh!. The Orders of Kutuzov, of Alexander Nevskii, of Suvorov, of Dimitry of the Don were introduced. Orthodox churches were reopened throughout the country; Those clergy who had survived, were quickly freed from the concentration camps. The patriarch of Moscow summoned the Russian people to fight against foreign invaders. The army introduced Guards regiments and divisions, which were named after the old tsarist regiments, while Soviet propagandists spoke about the centuries-old traditions of such regiments and of their banners, covered with glory by their victories over Russiaââ¬â¢s enemies: GERMANS, Swedes, the French, Turks and others. It was almost as though communism and Marxism ceased to exist. The war was being depicted as one for "Mother Russia," i.e., a struggle for a historical Russia.
In the winter of 1941-42, the guerilla movement flared up behind the Germansââ¬â¢ front lines. This after the summer of 1941, when the population of many cities and villages -- having trusted German propaganda -- met German soldiers with bread and salt (an old Russian welcoming tradition). Guerillas began to destroy roads and to attack German units. Within the Red Army, not fully relying on the success of patriotic propaganda, so-called "blocking detachments" were formed by the NKVD within the rear area of combat units with orders to shoot those soldiers and officers who were retreating without orders to do so. Penal battalions were also created to which soldiers and officers were sent for the slightest disciplinary infraction. Needless to say, neither of these measures was ever practiced by the tsar's Russian Army throughout its thousand-year history.
Besides the propaganda which was based on Russian patriotism and strengthened by the German racist policy, Great Britain and the U.S. came to Stalinââ¬â¢s rescue. Before long, they began supplying the USSR with items, which were badly needed by the Soviet Union throughout its existence: food, trucks and fuel.
All this led up to the fact that in the summer of l942 the German army could not accomplish its plans, while in the winter of 1942-43 it suffered a disastrous defeat at Stalingrad. In 1943, not only did the Germans not advance anywhere, but suffered anew a decisive defeat at the Kursk Bulge, which led to a gradual retreat from the territory of the USSR. The "War for the Fatherland " began to threaten Germany's very existence.
The Russian liberation movement had already commenced in the first days of the war. In reality, it had never stopped from the moment that the Bolsheviks seized power. Other than the large-scale uprisings of the 20ââ¬â¢s, peasant uprisings were taking place in the Orlov, Voronezh and Gorkii provinces, while unrest was on-going in almost all provinces of the RSFSR. At that time, worker unrest was taking place in the factories of the Ural, Kuzbass, Sormov and Ivanov. During 1933-39, uprisings occurred in concentration camps.
There were many true anti-Communists among German officers who also believed that communism could be defeated only through an honest union with the Russian people. These officers sought to attract Russian anti-Communists into the German army, hoping in the future to convince Hitler and his entourage of the benefits of such a policy. Such thinking existed not only among the lower- and middle-level commanders, but at the higher levels as well. Because of this, Field-Marshall Von Brauchitsch was removed from command after he had sent Hitler a recommendation to wage the war in concert with the Russian people.
Such German officers were seeking a suitable Russian officer who could successfully lead the Russian liberation movement. Such an officer was soon found. In the summer of 1942, not far from Leningrad, the Germans captured a famous Soviet general, Andrey Andreyevich Vlasov, who, in 1941, distinguished himself in combat against the Germans during the defense of Moscow. During the initial interrogations of Vlasov, it was determined that he was an enemy of Stalin. This, together with the fact that Vlasov was known in the Soviet army as one of its outstanding generals, prompted the Germans to ask him to lead the Russian anticommunist movement.
When the war began, Vlasov was the commanding officer of the 4th Mechanized Corps, which absorbed the initial thrusts of the German army. From the first days of the war, he sees the peopleââ¬â¢s hatred toward the communist enslavers. In response to the thousands of tons of dropped German leaflets, Red army soldiers crossed over to the Germans by the hundreds of thousands. Russia had never experienced such a disaster in its entire thousand-year history -- an event wherein thousands and thousands of soldiers threw down their arms and crossed over to the side of the enemy. Within the Kiev region alone, 640,000 soldiers and officers surrendered to the Germans!
In November 1941, Vlasov was summoned to Moscow. Panic was running rampant in the capitol: Factories and offices were evacuated, old men and women were put to digging trenches and anti-tank ditches, the party "leadership" was running off to the rear... It was under these circumstances that Vlasov was given the task to form the 20th Army and to defend Moscow.
In the lying memoirs of numerous Soviet marshals and generals, not a word is said about the VOLUNTARY surrender of Red Army soldiers and officers to the Germans. Much, however, is said about various shortages: Of weapons, ammunition, rations (which, incidentally, is difficult to understand: How could this happen in a country that, over a period of 24 years, has been feverishly preparing for war?). In describing the defense of Moscow, Marshall Zhukov in his memoirs, remembers the key role of the 20th Army, but "forgets" to say anything about its commander, General A. A. Vlasov. But it was precisely Vlasov who scored the first strategic victory over the Germans at Moscow, pushing them back to the city of Rzhev. For this operation Andrey Andreyevich was awarded the Order of the Red Banner and promoted to the rank of lieutenant general (see "Pravda" and "Izvestia," December 13th, 1941).
In March of 1942, Vlasov becomes Deputy to the Commander of the Volkhov Front, General-of-the-Army Meretskov. One of the armies, tasked with liberating the besieged city of Leningrad , is surrounded. Flying out to join the army, Vlasov assumes command from Lieutenant-General Klykov and successfully completes his first task: He establishes a narrow breach (three kilometers in width). But reinforcements were not forthcoming, and the opening was closed by the Germans. The army was doomed.
Well realizing that the armyââ¬â¢s doom was a direct result of the leadership of the "genius-general" Stalin, Vlasov again asks himself the question: For whom is the Russian soldier fighting? Is it for the Motherland, or for a clique of international rogues sitting astride the nationââ¬â¢s neck? All these years he had faithfully served the army believing that this way he was serving the people. But the people's mood, making itself known in this war in the form of an unprecedented catastrophe in Russiaââ¬â¢s military history, overcomes Vlasov.
Refusing to fly away on a special plane sent for him and to leave behind a perishing army to its own fate, Vlasov is captured by the Germans and is taken prisoner. Soon he meets Wilfrid Karlovich Shtrick-Shtrickfeld, a German from the Baltic area, who served as a captain in the Russian Imperial Army, and in 1941 as an interpreter in the German army. Captain Shtrick-Shtrickfeld is to remain with Vlasov throughout the latterââ¬â¢s stay in Germany.
Upon receiving the German commandââ¬â¢s offer to lead the struggle of the Russian people against its enslavers --international communism -- Vlasov agrees, but.. to fight against Stalin on an equal footing with Germany. Vlasov demanded that a Russian government-in-exile be established, and a formal alliance with Germany be entered into and that, following a victory over Stalin, an independent, democratic Russian government be created.
The German command which had begun negotiations with Vlasov came up against a wall. By this time everyone was well aware of Hitlerââ¬â¢s intentions to transform Russia into a colony, and the Russians into slaves. The German command was also fully aware that Hitler would not even hear of a cooperation -- as equals! -- with the Russians, whom he openly called a "lower race" in his book "Mein Kampf."
Vlasov firmly stood his ground for more than two years. It took the utter defeat of the Germans at Stalingrad, at the Kursk Bulge, the drawing nearer to Germanyââ¬â¢s borders by the Soviet armies, the landing of American and British troops in France, the defeat of Japanese in their war with the U.S., and the attempt on Hitlerââ¬â¢s life, for the Germans to agree to Vlasovââ¬â¢s conditions. But even then, in September of 1944, Himmler, without Hitlerââ¬â¢s knowledge, permitted Vlasov to form only two divisions, not a real, large-scale army (at that time close to one million[!] Russians were already serving in the German army as volunteers). But these divisions were organized in full compliance with Vlasovââ¬â¢s demands: All commanders, from division down to squad level, were Russians, and reported to Vlasov. In November, 1944, the "Committee for the Liberation of Russiaââ¬â¢s Peoples" (CLRP), was formed, concluding, as equal partners, an agreement with Germany for fighting the USSR.
On November 14 , 1944 , the "Prague Manifesto" was signed in Prague, spelling out the plan of action of the Russian Liberation Movement. Its acceptance was carried out according to ceremonial protocol followed during meetings of heads of state. The gist of the manifesto was: The overthrow of bolshevism and the creation of a future Russia, as a sovereign nation, whose citizens would live and work freely. One of its 14 points stated:
While the Germans did not trust Vlasov, neither did Vlasov trust them. Vlasov fully understood that only the fact that the war, for all intents and purposes, was lost by the Germans, forced them to agree to his demands. Left alone with his volunteer troops, Vlasov kept saying: "Into Russia with the Germans, in Russia by ourselves". Vlasov and his staff were convinced that it would be simpler to get rid of the Germans, than communists, because the Germans were an obvious enemy, whereas communists were an inner foe, "oneââ¬â¢s own."
But all this was too late. The autumn of 1944 saw allied armies approaching German borders from all directions. American and British air forces had destroyed Germanyââ¬â¢s rear areas.
In spite of all this, Vlasov eagerly began forming the first two divisions of the "Russian Liberation Army" (RLA), primarily from POWs. The RLA leadership felt that even a small force would be sufficient to attract to its side Russian people in Soviet uniforms, who were forced by both Stalin and Hitler to defend the hateful communist rule.
This belief was soon confirmed when the 1st RLA Division in April, 1945 (i.e. one month before Germanyââ¬â¢s surrender!) appeared on the "Eastern front," on the Oder river: As soon as Soviet soldiers learned that across from them stood the RLA, they started to cross over, regardless of the fact that it was clear to everyone that the war had been lost by the Germans. But the deserters were not going over to the Germans, they were joining the RLA!
Vlasov and his officers thought naively that England and the U.S. would come out against communism, just as soon as they are finished with Hitler. Therefore, to preserve its forces, the 1st Division left the front and moved to join the newly-formed RLA's 2nd Division. The divisions linked up in the Czech Republic, but by this time Germany had surrendered and parts of the RLA divisions were taken prisoners by the Soviet and American armies. Vlasov fighters who were captured by Soviet forces were mercilessly shot by SMERSH (Smertââ¬â¢ Shpionam = Death to Spies) and MVD (Ministry of Interior Affairs) units. Vlasov fighters who were captured by Americans were at first interned and later were forcibly turned over to Stalin. Vlasov himself, along with several RLA commanders, was likewise handed over (a few lines of Zhukovââ¬â¢s memoirs mention this) and they were brutally tortured to death and hung in Lubyanka in 1946.
Thus ended yet another chapter in the fight of the Russian people against their enslaver -- international communism. Just as did the White Movement during the Civil War, so did the Russian people who participated in this struggle within the ranks of the German army and the RLA, upheld the honor of the Russian people. They have once again proven to the world the true feelings of the Russians toward their slave-masters, even at a time when the latter concealed themselves under the guise of patriotism and as defenders of the Fatherland. "... MAY THEIR MEMORY LIVE ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION!"
2003-06-21 10:17 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Jun 19 2003, 18:13 * ** Interesting read. For my taste they idolize him to much. **
That's an interesting viewpoint. I don't know much about Vlasov, other than the fact that he was the leader of the Russian Liberation Army. As for the rest, it isn't that important to me. What matters was that he was fighting to free the Russian people from the yoke of swarthy sadists like Stalin and his zhid butchers.
I read a german biography about him and there were some very unpleasent quotes of his on Hitler and the NS movement.
Well, you have to remember that Hitler and the NS movement weren't exactly fond of Russians either. Have you ever read Himmler's analysis of Russians?> **Personaly I'm not to fond of him. He just wanted to use us to get to power in Russia and then would have attacked us. **
I doubt that. The Soviet Union was reeling for at least a decade after WWII; the damage done by the war was so immense that any type of invasive effort would be out of the question. Besides, Russia would have had nothing to gain by invading Germany-and plenty to lose.
He said something like "After we have finished Stalin, we will take care of Hitler." It's understandable that Hitler didn't trust him. After all, he did make career in the Red Army. He also was no antisemite. They failed to mention in this biography, that after his capture he married a german woman (the widow of an SS-Officer!), allthough he was married.
I'll see if I can find a biogrpahy of him and tell you what I find.
2003-06-21 17:34 | User Profile
**The successes of the summer campaign gave Hitler good reasons to conclude that the Soviet Union had been defeated and that it was time to implement his true intentions: The annihilation of Russia (not the USSR!) as an independent state, and of the Russians as a nation. Minister for "Eastern regions" Alfred Rosenbergââ¬â¢s plans called for: Transforming the European part of Russia into a German colony, liquidating the majority of the Russian population, while converting the remainder into slaves for the German settlers. The Soviet Union would be permitted to exist beyond the Urals, in Siberia. Moreover, various non-Russian nationalities (Ukrainians, the Balts, Belorussians, people from the Caucasus and others) would be granted some privileges. **
The fact that we didn't side with the Russian anticommunist forces (exceptions existed, but Hitler's policy was clear) was the biggest treason we could ever make. For that alone we rightly deserved to get our asses nailed.
In practice, these plans were implemented through mass starving prisoners of war and the looting of the civilian population. Prisoners of war (the majority of whom had surrendered to the Germans voluntarily) were put, en masse, into open fields ringed with barbed wire and were given neither food nor water. The death rate in such camps was no less than that of Soviet own concentration camps. The local populace, in attempting to pass food to the prisoners of war dying from hunger, was often fired upon by the guards.
I once read that up to 5 million ended up in German captivity and died. Another Holocaust nobody knows about. But this is kept secret as it could threaten the victim status of a well known ethnic.
2003-06-21 18:50 | User Profile
**Watersoup with bread. Mmmmmhhhhhh delicious! **
Right, my grandpa never liked that food. When he came home after 3 years in the camps, he just weighted 50 kilo.
The official number I have heard so far was 3,5 Million. you inflate the number to 5 Million! I even doubt the 3,5.
I am sorry, when I wrote that line, I was considering putting that into question marks. The German media exaggerates these numbers usually.
Whos side are you on anyway? We "deserved" to get our "ass nailed"! Outragous! Tell that to the millions of german girls and woman who got raped.
I knew that you were the first one to post. I like it. You get so easily infuriated. Great fun.
Fact is that we are in this current mess because we failed to get things straigt 60 years ago. Are you proud of that? We failed. Period. Gröfaz didn't handle it. So why to be proud of?