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Faust [OP]

2003-06-17 22:29 | User Profile

"[Blacks]Going Home To The South"

Build all Black Suburbs

**Going Home To The South

(CBS) Children of many blacks who once fled the South and segregation are now returning to find better lives than they had in the North

Reporters who covered the civil rights revolution of the 1960s know the bitterness felt by those who were back then known as Negroes - bitterness at the humiliation inflicted on them by Southern whites.

As a result, millions fled North in search of jobs, education, dignity.

**But now, millions of their children are finding out that their best chance of living the American Dream is in the South, in places like the suburbs around Charlotte, North Carolina; Orlando, Florida; Houston, Texas; and especially Atlanta, Georgia.

And ironically, while their parents and grandparents may have fought for integration, many of them have chosen to live in all-black communities. **Correspondent Mike Wallace first reported this story on October 27, 2002. Black suburban Atlanta may look like Beverly Hills, but it’s Mecca for many new migrants who are buying homes worth from $200,000 to more than $2 million. And new subdivisions keep sprouting, marketed especially to blacks.

Jeff Moten and his wife, Wanda, were in the first wave of this new migration. Ten years ago, they moved here from outside New York City. Most of their neighbors are also former Northerners.

“I blazed a trail to get out of New York,” says Moten. “I just wanted a better way for my kids.”

That better way includes a lower crime rate than up North, easy access to athletic facilities and to the arts, and several performances a week at Atlanta's Chastain Park – which includes champagne, Chopin and Nancy Wilson.

It’s a marvelous life, one that more blacks can now afford. Black buying power nationwide has doubled in the last decade. Half of all black households are now middle and upper income. And more blacks are graduating from high school and college so they're able to land better jobs and buy better homes.

Moten's neighbors, Eduard and Shari Weathers, and Keith and Detra Burrell said moving South brought them the promised land.

“My father used to always say, 'Stop asking for a piece of the pie. Make your own damn pie.' And this is us making our own pie,” says Detra Burrell.

“This is what we have. This is what we want. We're no different from anybody else.We want nice homes. All of us have college degrees here. All of us have white-collar jobs. Why should we have to settle for anything less than what we have?”

Their white-collar jobs include financial consultant, school principal, Xerox executive and computer programmer. Plus, high-tech jobs are attracting blacks and whites to the South. But for blacks, it's coming back to their roots. Many who've moved South say they feel they've come home. And more than 3.5 million came home in the '90s - twice as many as came in the '80s.

They can also find good black public schools, and trendy bars and cafes, where the only whites are behind the bar.

“My younger brother's in the Navy, in San Diego, and he was here for about a week,” says Eduard Weathers. “And I rode him around the neighborhood, and I said, 'Yeah, and it's just about all black out here.' And he looked at me, he said, 'You're kidding? Those houses we saw, black people live in those houses?' I said, 'Yeah.'”

Renee Thomas found it hard to be black in a white neighborhood, so her family left Philadelphia and moved to a black community outside Atlanta. Up north, they'd been the only African-Americans in a neighborhood of 100 white families.

“We were the first blacks that our neighbors' children had ever seen,” says Thomas. “You often feel like you don't fit in."

But this is what really shocked her. Their son, Shay, the only black on his school football team, was scared because he was about to play a team that was all black.

“It really bothered me,” says Thomas. “Because here my son, who's African-American himself, was very afraid of the other team.”

The football incident convinced Shay's parents they had a problem.

**“Our children really identified with Caucasian children, but were very uncomfortable around African-American children,” says Thomas. “I hate to say it, but yes. But I really wanted an African-American boy. I didn't want a white child.”

Three months after that football game, the Thomas family moved south. Now, Shay's in a black public school making new friends.**

Laurie Beard also grew up in a white neighborhood, in Milwaukee. But her parents sent her to an all-black college, Spelman, in Atlanta, to learn more about her own culture.

“It was just unbelievable because being from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, you know, you're one of, you know, a few,” says Beard. “And then when I got off the flight, it was like, 'Oh, my God.' I just never realized there were so many black people in one setting.”

But Beard says she'd never move back north. In Atlanta, she got her college degree, got married, and convinced her parents to leave Milwaukee and come live nearby. Her parents, Israel and Gwen Beard needed convincing because they had been part of the original migration north, and had bad memories of the South.

Back in the '50s, Israel Beard had been a teacher in Tennessee, but he got fed up when his white supervisor kept calling him and the school's other black teacher “boy” in front of their students.

“I thought that that was a little debasing,” remembers Israel, who says without question that it was better in the North at that time. “The overtness of the racism, the bigotry was not present.”

He says he never expected to come back, but visiting his daughter and seeing the change made him change his mind. Now, he says the new South has won him over.

The South that he left was segregated effectively by force, but in the new South, blacks can have segregation by choice.

“When we first moved here, we had the opportunity to pretty much move on any side of town,” says Moten. “And it was important to me for my kids to see black families, mothers and fathers, households, you know, doing well. I want them to think, 'Well, this is the norm.' I've arrived here in my lovely black neighborhood.”

“Why even move to a white neighborhood when you have a nice black neighborhood you can move into,” adds Keith Burrell, who says that white families are welcome to move into his neighborhood.

“Everybody's welcome to move here. Wouldn't have a black power sign on their door or their yard. No. Wouldn't bother us at all."

“I think that's the misconception, and I think that's because when we move into their neighborhoods, it's like, 'Oh, my God. Put the house on the market. Lock the doors.' And I hate to say it, but if they came in, I would wonder … One of the things you'd say, 'Well, what's up your sleeve?' 'What is it that you want? Are you selling drugs?'”

Now, there are a lot of grown black people who wear braces on their teeth.

“That's our badge of courage. We've arrived,” says Burrell. “Growing up, the only kids that had braces were those kids that had money. Everybody we grew up with had the little bent-up teeth, going in different directions. And now, we're 40 years old. I have arrived. Look at my braces.”

But not everyone can afford them. Nationwide, one in five blacks still lives in poverty - one in five, even in Atlanta. But that's a dramatic improvement from 10 years ago when the poverty rate was one in three.

“You understand that you are middle class, so that you might help somebody,” says Cynthia Hale, who launched her church 16 years ago with just four people. Now, she preaches to more than 6,000 people, and most of them live in all-black, middle and upper class neighborhoods.

“I was so excited about being at a place where I could just kind of be myself and let my hair down,” remembers Hale. “I didn't have to prove anything to anybody. And I think that's what causes people of any race, any culture, to self-segregate.”

Alex Wilkerson agrees. He says he was the last person who ever expected to move back south. During World War II, he trained combat pilots in Tuskegee, Ala. But after the war, he couldn't land a decent job in the South.

“ I realized that there were no opportunities, regardless of what skills I could have acquired,” says Wilkerson.

He moved north in disgust. But last year, he and his wife moved back south to be near their daughter, Isabella Wilkerson, a Pulitzer prize-winning reporter for The New York Times who moved to Atlanta to research a book on the original migration north.

She told us that now many northern blacks are drawn to the South because this is their mother country, the cradle of their culture.

“There's always a searching to find out what—where did this begin, and why do we eat the food that we eat? Why do we listen to the music that we listen to? Why do we speak the way that we do? And this is a way to find that out,” says Isabella Wilkerson, who admits she really didn’t want to come back.

**Isabella Wilkerson says she got a scare recently when she came out of an Atlanta bagel shop. It was raining so hard she couldn't make it back to her car.

“While I was waiting, a man came towards me. He was a gaunt, tall man who had a white goatee, and he looked as if he might have been in another time and place -- a Confederate general,” she says. “And I immediately had this visceral reaction to him, just at how he looked.”

The man, who had an umbrella, offered to walk her to her car in the pouring rain. “I was amazed that this was happening. I had sized him up as a Southerner that I should probably steer clear of, and he showed this Southern hospitality that you hear so much about but don’t believe exists,” says Isabella Wilkerson. “It had never happened to me in all the years I’ve lived in the north.”**

If Martin Luther King Jr. were alive, what would he say about what was going on in Atlanta today?

“Even he might be speechless,” says Isabella Wilkerson.

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Faust

2003-06-17 23:14 | User Profile

**Moreover, the same schools often sport what the Fox story called "race-based living quarters" - that is, racially exclusive dormitories - on their own campuses.

Needless to say, such dormitories for whites aren't allowed, and if any white kids even peeped about setting one up, the government would send in the Marines.

But it has occurred to some to point out the "double standard" involved in these matters. Carol M. Swain, the black author of a recent book on what she claims is The New White Nationalism In America, says there is a double standard and that allowing blacks to exclude whites only encourages - and tends to justify - whites excluding blacks.

"As long as universities and colleges and high schools support black activities," Miss Swain says, "there will be increasing pressure for them to allow white students the same latitude, because it's a double standard and I think more and more people can see that."

Criticizing only one side of the double standard, she told Fox, carries "identity politics too far."

But not everyone agrees. Gary Orfield, a Harvard sociologist, [email him] says racially exclusionary events are "good sometimes, it depends on whether it's done in any exclusionary way or an enriching way."

Well, how do you tell whether an exclusionary event is "exclusionary" or just "enriching"?

It basically comes down to whether it's whites who get excluded (in which case it's "enriching") or non-whites (in which it's "exclusionary").

How simple.

One gentleman described as a "civil rights attorney," Leo James Terrell, goes a bit further. "Someone is trying to assume that Asians and blacks are on the same level, historically, in this country, as whites," he mutters.

"But what if a group of white students wanted to form their own campus group?" Fox asked Mr. Terrell.

"That's 'racist'" he responded. "If a college that has an integrated campus has an all-white college activity, that is insulting. For what? To promote what? White pride?"

Well, among other things, maybe so.

What Mr. Terrell says is about as plain and simple as you can get. Blacks and other non-whites have a perfect right to exclude whites from their organizations and events, but whites have no such right to exclude blacks.

For Whites, Bottom Rail On Top? - Sam Francis More on Georgia Prom-JJbrouwer freaks [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8509]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...?showtopic=8509[/url]

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weisbrot

2003-06-18 13:56 | User Profile

The separation depicted by this story is fairly accurate; the economic picture isn't.

Atlanta is becoming more segregated and polarized; the whites have started moving further north in planned communities, blacks are moving further west and east into suburbs. Just like anywhere else, this black migration hasn't resulted in a multicult mecca- racial tensions here are ratcheting up slowly. The pot is simmering, with the fire being applied by the astoundingly multiculturalist focus of local newspaper, radio and TV.

Do a google search on "freaknik" from the 1990's to get some idea of what daily life is starting to be like in downtown Atlanta. Not one white person in 10,000 in this area- liberal or otherwise- could claim to be planning a leisurely visit to the former retail "jewel" of downtown- Underground- although white North Fulton county is bearing most of the burden of paying for it. The park mentioned in the story- Chastain- is in a 90% white area of Fulton County that subsidizes the rest of the city and county. The northern suburbs are being stressed to the point that one North Fulton town- Sandy Springs- has been fighting unsuccessful legal battles for over a decade to secede from the county.

There certainly are a few suburban areas of well-to-do blacks, and God bless them. I don't blame them for wanting their own area. The truth is far different from this story, though; and local people know it. It might be because I live here, but I think that if there is a flashpoint for a major racial conflict in the next few years, it might well be here.

Hugh Lincoln

2003-06-18 19:37 | User Profile

Trends like this are proof that racial separation does not have to be the Trail of Tears or bloody genocide that it's often made out to be. Huge populations can easily move from one area of the world to another in a matter of years if not months. All voluntarily.

Now the question becomes, what of the Whites in the South? I say they move north.

Roy Batty

2003-06-18 19:47 | User Profile

Weisbrot, you're remarks on the tensions and the white area being forced to subsidize the action etc. are similar to what's going on in S. California (Los Angeles, Long Beach, parts of LA and Orange Counties). Something has to give.

The Hell with any whites moving North if they don't want to. We don't need a trail of tears, true. But the non-whites can do the moving, and make the best of it in areas that whites have deemed undesirable. There's been enough of whites doing the real building, the real developing, creating the infrastructure, and then leaving it all to ungrateful, barely aware blacks and browns powered by their sense of self-entitlement. They can live in the middle of swamps or deserts for all I care. We choose where they go, not the other way around. It may very well happen. I'm positive it will.

Kurt

2003-06-18 19:59 | User Profile

It's a marvelous life, one that more blacks can now afford. Black buying power nationwide has doubled in the last decade. Half of all black households are now middle and upper income. And more blacks are graduating from high school and college so they're able to land better jobs and [u]buy better homes[/u]**.

My father used to always say, 'Stop asking for a piece of the pie. Make your own damn pie.' [u]And this is us making our own pie[/u], says Detra Burrell.**

Yeah, right. All thanks to Affirmative Action and other minority-only gubbiment goodies. I wonder if they got any help buying their homes from Dubya's [url=http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/homeownership/]minority home-ownership program[/url]? :thd:

il ragno

2003-06-18 20:01 | User Profile

**There certainly are a few suburban areas of well-to-do blacks, and God bless them. I don't blame them for wanting their own area. **

I can't force my mouth to say it, sorry. These celebrations of them "wanting their own area" were built on the backs of us never ever being allowed to think/want/say the same. And you can make book that these new Non-Lethal Affluent Blacks are the cumulative fruit of a generation of social promotions...those showroom homes are being occupied by people hired over more qualified whites, doing sloppier work for their compensation and all wearing DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW stickers.

Please show me where it is written that in order to qualify as a full citizen as a white male, I first have to furrow my brow in guilt over, find plausible-sounding reasons to excuse the crimes of, and generally grin idiotically as I hold open doors and pull out chairs for ANYBODY BESIDES ME AND MINE.

Bad enough I had this sh*t drilled into my head growing up and attending school. When was the last time you read a gushingly breathless puff piece on a gorgeously manicured all-white suburb celebrate the residents' determination to "make they own pie" and turn their backs on Diversity?

weisbrot

2003-06-18 20:29 | User Profile

*Originally posted by il ragno@Jun 18 2003, 16:01 * ** I can't force my mouth to say it, sorry. These celebrations of them "wanting their own area" were built on the backs of us never ever being allowed to think/want/say the same.

Please show me where it is written that in order to qualify as a full citizen as a white male, I first have to furrow my brow in guilt over, find plausible-sounding reasons to excuse the crimes of, and generally grin idiotically as I hold open doors and pull out chairs for ANYBODY BESIDES ME AND MINE.

**

Who's celebrating? My choice for their area has been and continues to be Liberia.

Not to stand in the way of anyone's right to be a snide poseur, but acknowledging that every race prefers a place of its own doesn't amount to opening doors or excusing crimes.

Faust

2003-06-18 20:34 | User Profile

Much of the South will become unlivable for whites in not too many years.

Kurt

2003-06-18 20:44 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Faust@Jun 18 2003, 14:34 * ** Much of the South will become unlivable for whites in not too many years. **

...and the rest of the US not too long after that.

Hugh Lincoln

2003-06-19 14:58 | User Profile

I'm referring to Chittum's idea/plan for New White America in the north - north actually dipping pretty far down (I can't recall the map precisely) but not including the gulf coast, etc. I think the north makes for a good White nation because the climate better matches our European ancestral homes. Swamps and tropical flora aren't as natural to Whites as pine forests and lakes.

Why not? It's not like we can proceed publically by declaring that blacks won't get anything. Offer parts of the south and be done with it. Start over in the north. Whatever happened to the White pioneer spirit? It wouldn't be the same as fleeing the cities for the suburbs, because that flight left open the possibility that blacks and other minorities could follow us. It would be understood that they couldn't follow us into New America.

MadScienceType

2003-06-19 15:06 | User Profile

The Hell with any whites moving North if they don't want to. We don't need a trail of tears, true. But the non-whites can do the moving, and make the best of it in areas that whites have deemed undesirable.

Hear! Hear! :th:

But really, it's all moot until Whites have the stones to force their will on ungrateful/uncooperative minorities. We did it with the "native" Americans and we could do it again, but society today is just one big machine geared towards preventing any such white awakening, while maximizing the extraction of resources from the same.

I'm with Roy. It may end up being the process of this resource extraction, both in terms of its increasing pace and the force of the squeezing, that will finally tip the balance between guilt and genocide, as I've noticed that the longer corrective forces are held in check, the greater the reaction when something finally gives way. I guess the Rush Limbaugh safety-valve ain't working any more!

Lewis Wetzel

2003-06-19 15:30 | User Profile

**But really, it's all moot until Whites have the stones to force their will on ungrateful/uncooperative minorities. We did it with the "native" Americans and we could do it again, but society today is just one big machine geared towards preventing any such white awakening, while maximizing the extraction of resources from the same. **

Couldn't have said it better myself. Ethnic cleansing - for that clean, minty feeling!

Hugh Lincoln

2003-06-19 18:39 | User Profile

It may end up being the process of this resource extraction, both in terms of its increasing pace and the force of the squeezing, that will finally tip the balance between guilt and genocide, as I've noticed that the longer corrective forces are held in check, the greater the reaction when something finally gives way. I guess the Rush Limbaugh safety-valve ain't working any more!

I don't think the slow bleeding of the White race will do it. We'll lose consciousness and slip into a deep sleep before that happens. I imagine you can corkscrew a man to the brink of poverty and beyond and hear nary a peep from him so long as his mind is in jewlock.

Gotta get the message out, too.

Anyone on this board support the idea of geographic separation of the races on the North American continent? If so, what of the fact that blacks and Hispanics and other non-Whites are scattered (and concentrated in cities)?

N.B. Forrest

2003-06-19 18:43 | User Profile

It would be kinda hard to take Mount Vernon, Monticello & all those battlefields north with us.

Make the monkeys move.

weisbrot

2003-06-19 18:57 | User Profile

Originally posted by Hugh Lincoln@Jun 19 2003, 14:39 * Anyone on this board support the idea of geographic separation of the races on the North American continent*

Are you CRAZY, man? Have you no idea of the anarchy that will reign, when white men have to do all the jobs that white men won't do?

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Roy Batty

2003-06-19 19:06 | User Profile

Whites have done enough moving. Packing up and squeezing everyone Northward reeks of cowardice. What happens when the black and brown "nations" fall apart? We ignore them - or go in and take the areas over again, kicking them out in the process? Then put them on reservations? Doing what we should have in the first place? Uh-uh. Those areas would end up under the overt or covert control of some enterprising bunch, like the Chinese or some other non-PC bright group in short order.

I don't think the "slow bleeding" as H. Lincoln calls it is going to go as far as he thinks. The pace is picking up - look at the numbers on "hispanics" released by the government yesterday. Can you say "permanent underclass"? Sound familiar? (How many of you suspect the numbers on bean dog poverty, social services and lack of education are even worse than the government will admit?) There's no way social services can keep up with another group of government tit suckers emulating blacks in their fleecing of white taxpayers. As goes the Southwest, so goes the rest of the country. The mestizos, Somalians, American born blacks, third world dreck are popping up everywhere. The seams are going to blow.

We've said it before, a lot of whites are going to get hurt at first. That's too bad, but that's what it's going to take. I wish that the introduction to reality could be more gentle, but I doubt it. Things are going to have to get really bad before they get better. Really bad. Running away isn't going to help. Forming a "new nation" can't happen until the whole system takes a dump, which it will.

Whites have to get back to giving the orders. Right now the yahoodis and elites give the orders and use their mud troops to corral and break the sheeple. The sheeple have to be forced into a corner, then no level of rhetoric from "the masters' will be able to counter what whitey sees taking place on his front steps.

MadScienceType

2003-06-19 19:44 | User Profile

Hugh,

The key is the increasing pace of resource extraction. The flame has been turned to "high" under the poor albino froggies. Roy's example of the permanent underclass growing at a rapid rate, as well as untold (and unfunded) new entitlements for the boomer generation are simply going to break the bank. To pay for it all, they'll have to run the printing presses around the clock. Guess what happens then? Weimar Germany would be instructive, but we've got the added bonus of multiple, dependent minority groups whose only common interest is an abiding hate of whites. It's going to be interesting, yep. Get some ammo and get to the range.

It would be kinda hard to take Mount Vernon, Monticello & all those battlefields north with us. Make the monkeys move.

Just the thought of leaving the Alamo and San Jacinto to the tender ministrations of a bunch of 'messkins makes me ill.

Hugh Lincoln

2003-06-19 21:40 | User Profile

I appreciate the bold spirit here, but I'm thinking more along the lines of how to get large numbers of Whites moving without making blacks and Hispanics feel desperate. If a piece of land is offered, wouldn't that help? I understand that an all-black nation would probably collapse in its own fecal matter, but I guess I just don't care. But if Whites are "giving the orders," as Roy says, how will that be received? On the one hand, we might surprise ourselves. On the other, blacks will decide that if they have no other option, they'll kill at will and sympathic whites will help. On the other other hand, maybe that killing won't last long because organized black resistance to White power would be a joke. Show your willingness to kill and you win.

Retaining the Alamo, the Okeefenokee Swamp and all Confederate battlefields would basically mean a retaking of the entirety of America by racially conscious Whites within its present borders. That would involve, if it ever got that far, rivers of blood. How about retreating to a smaller area while we rebuild racial consciousness, population and will, and THEN see about more space?

Texas Dissident

2003-06-20 07:11 | User Profile

Originally posted by MadScienceType@Jun 19 2003, 14:44 * Just the thought of leaving the Alamo and San Jacinto to the tender ministrations of a bunch of 'messkins makes me ill.*

Remember Gonzales, Texan brother!

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MadScienceType

2003-06-20 14:29 | User Profile

Tex,

:th: :gun:

Hugh,

I guess it boils down to rivers of blood now or a slow hemmorhage leading to death later. Besides, how are you going to retreat to an ethnically pure region without having dependent parasites following you (or being imported there ala Lewiston)? You'll still have to shed blood in copious amounts, all to retain a smaller and less defensible geographic region, with fewer resources, and that's going to require the racial consciousness, population and will you spoke of anyway. Retreat (or "strategic withdrawal" if you prefer) and accomodation has gotten whites nothing. The time is coming to stand or die the slow death of absorption and extinction. I think events will dictate the forming of racial consciousness and will, as those who wish to live will really have no other choice. As to minorities feeling desperate, what do you think is going to happen when the Federal teat runs dry? And who do you think they're going to turn on to satisfy their immediate needs/urges? These minority groups are only dangerous currently because they enjoy the protection of the Federal gummint, under whose aegis they are allowed to be, well, what they are. Should that protection crumble, the most that would happen would be a low-intensity guerilla campaign that would run out of steam due to lack of foreign support and the inability to vanish into the background of the population. Your skin is your uniform and all that.

Hugh Lincoln

2003-06-20 15:54 | User Profile

I think events will dictate the forming of racial consciousness and will

Or the other way around, which would put us in a better position. Fewer Whites would be taken by surprise that way.

Or they would happen concurrently.

I hear you on all this. It's just that for the time being, calling for geographic separation is a lot more palatable than calling for race war. Even if the two coincide. I'm thinking of propaganda strategy here, Mad, not military strategy. The two often diverge on their journey toward the same goal. Also, I'm not convinced that Whites moving is always necessarily "retreat." How to stop minorities from following? Shoot them.

those who wish to live will really have no other choice

Believe it or not, I like taking comfort in this idea, because it predicts the inevitable survival of the White race under a sort of "trigger" idea. That is, never mind the effort to raise White consciousness or be a White nationalist activist --- that'll all come naturally when the situation gets desperate enough. Unfortunately, it doesn't always happen that way. History has a way of rolling on through like a bulldozer. Stopping it takes iron will.

MadScienceType

2003-06-20 17:52 | User Profile

I hear you too, HL. I think we're on the same page. I have no objection to a migration of whites to a white homeland, I just don't see one around.

How to stop minorities from following? Shoot them.

But that's going to ignite the full-on race war anyway, which is my point.

Ruffin

2003-06-20 18:05 | User Profile

I still say that the regime wouldn't permit a "new white homeland" in the first place. Either way, they are the ones who'd have to be removed in order for a civilized society to exist in America, because they, not their "preferred" tools, are the enforcers.

Lewis Wetzel

2003-06-20 20:18 | User Profile

**I still say that the regime wouldn't permit a "new white homeland" in the first place. **

Of course it won't - just like the British Empire wouldn't permit an independent American homeland. We can do now what we did then.

Rumblestrip

2003-06-21 01:49 | User Profile

Of course I would prefer a "move the non-Whites somewhere else" method. But to where? We need to be realistic about it... sending all of the blacks back to Africa, all of the mestizoes back to Meixco, etc, may not be a reasonable goal, even if it is the ideal one.

Chauncey

2003-06-21 04:26 | User Profile

The blacks should go home to south--South Africa that is.