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Thread ID: 7433 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2003-06-17
2003-06-17 15:47 | User Profile
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/serbia/article/0,2479,977461,00.html]http://www.guardian.co.uk/serbia/article/0...,977461,00.html[/url]
At least this war criminal has been apprehended. We will have to wait to see if justice is served. More information on Sljivancanin's crimes against Hrvati. I find that many people do not know of the abuses committed against the Hrvati by the Serbs prior to and during the Balkan Conflicts of the 1990's.
2003-06-18 23:41 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Jun 18 2003, 15:39 * ** Wow, cheering that jew-freemason court in Hague and the treacherous judaised mafia-regime in Serbia which hands over it's own citizens to foreign powers. Tell me, do you also cheer that filthy bastard Stipe Medic when he want's to hand over your Generals to Hague. What kind of Nationalist are you anyway? **
I'm with you on this Leland. No matter what your views are on the situation, these jackalopes in the Hague are evil, a bad sign of worse things to come. They are brutal theater for the masses, but the masses don't realize it yet.
2003-06-18 23:47 | User Profile
This Hrvatska-Srpska (if Alka insists on native spelling) animosity and the desire to prove that the other side is much worse is just another form of squabbles between whites. I can accept that no side is better than the other, just for the sake of leaving this behind. I used to be anti-Polish and anti-Ukrainian at some point, remembering all the mutual grievances that had accumulated over the long period of history. I am past that point now, because there is nothing to gain there. Especially in the context of the US, where it no longer matters and the threats are completely different.
2003-06-21 15:22 | User Profile
Leland Guant: Where or when did I mention the Hague? I didn't. Where or when did I "cheer on" anyone? I didn't.
You've made a lot of assumptions. All of them completely baseless and as completely wrong. I do not support the Hague. The articleI posted does not even mention the Hauge. So why did you bring it up? Didn't have a comment about the subject at hand? Do you always just rant about an unrelated topic when you reply to threads?
You can always identify an anti-Hrvat propagandist by their tendency to hijack any conversation and divert it away from the subject at hand. This is precisely what you have done. I am very suspicious of your motivations.
**What kind of Nationalist are you anyway? **
A pro-Hrvat nationalist who cheers the arrest of anyone who has ever committed crimes against my people. In my opinion Sljivancanin should be on trial in Hrvatska for his crimes.
Do you have any comment on the massacre, which is the subject, or are you through hijacking this thread and using it as an thin excuse to get up on your soapbox and pontificate about an issue which is not even mentioned in the article I posted?
2003-06-23 00:01 | User Profile
The Pakrac region of the mid-80's were very physical in its anti-Serb movement. The verbal abuse taken from the Croatian teachers on innocent children. Their own students turning on them because they were Serbian. Ustashe symbols displayed on top of homes/roofs.
Sorry, but in 1987, the Croats physically forced the Serbs out of their villages outside of Pakrac. Few years later, the Serbs retook that town from pigs. :punk:
[url=http://www.pedalinpeace.org]PedalinPeace 2003[/url] is starting 02 Aug on the border of RSK/RS (Novi Grad, RS)
2003-06-23 02:44 | User Profile
Who's was fighting on the same side as of the war non-white pakistanis? You(until you got stabbed in the back which is what happens when you do things like that). But enough of this nonsense. We don't need this kind of b.s. on this forum. It serves no purpose. No more brother's war, Alka. Even uneducated skinheads in the former "Jugoslavia" have figured that out now. Get with the program.
2003-06-23 15:21 | User Profile
It's funny, since I began talking about this issue I've received a couple of PMs from disgruntled Srb nationalists who didn't like what I had to say (unsurprisingly). All of them are characterized by their dearth of posts (this one at least has posted publicly once instead of only sending me an angry and anonymous PM).
However I do not share this ethnic hatred, although initially I am suspicious of anyone who identifies themselves as a Srb nationalist because all too often this is associated with anti-Hrvati policies and agendas. I don't hate Srbs. I am not pro-Ustase nor the Roman Catholic Church. I firmly support the Srb right to their homeland of Kosovo and furthermore their right to a homogenous state. I refuse to return the insults.
serbianfire, I'd ask you for proof of your allegations, but sadly I already know in advance that you have nothing: no pictures, no video, no audio, only 'reports' of incidents by alleged refugees etc. Personally I believe it does neither you nor your cause (or anyone for that matter) any good to promote propaganda.
I refuse to spread similarly unverifiable 'reports' about Srbs.
On a more friendly note, I wish you all the luck with your PedalinPeace project. It's a great idea and project and the Nasa Serbia site/project is equally great. I hope you raise lots of $$$ to help out children in need.
2003-06-23 20:49 | User Profile
Never once did I describe any hatred towards a whole ethnic group, only pockets of groups who belong to certain units...:)
However, pictures/video etc... does not bring full bear the entire picture. Remember the Breadline massacre? Chocked full of lies, etc... I can go on more and more about the CNN lies, but I do not want to waste anyones time on it.
The proof is while on leave from the Marine Corps, I met a Serbian high school girl in her senior year. We met, became friends. I did not fully understand what she went through at the time. After a few years upon my discharge, we spent much time together and she detailed how she was sent to the states by her family after they had to leave the village. Her older brother had finished school, so his father and mother remained.
Sorry, of course no pictures, where is the proof of the Serbs of Bosnia were killing off the muslims of Srebrenica and other places, Racak? There was never any physical proof. A few dead bodies caused by fighting within their own muslim groups.
Sad, much like black/on/black violence here in the states. Serbs stood back and let the muslims kill each other. So, I guess you can assume we caused those deaths, as we stood by and let it happen. Much like we let them kill each other first in Srebrenica, and we went in to a weakened defense of muslims. :gun:
2003-06-23 21:20 | User Profile
I am Ustasha and proud. Long live Poglavnik Dr. Ante Pavelic and long live the Black Legion! While there shall be assoults from the East there shall always be proud troopers in black to retaliate. :gun:
Listen up! Croatia was assaulted, the Serbs was aggressors, Serbs loosed the war and now they are whining and bitching how they was the victims and how brutal Croats are. The truth is the Serbian rebels was just a bunch of chauvinist cutthroats. The Croats don't whine over their numerous victims like weakling Cetnik grandmothers, and I'm sick and tired of such cowardly altitude from the Serb side. Like Romans used to say "Vae Victis!". Better luck next time, only don't loose because our vengeance shall be even more savage !
Za Dom Spremni!
2003-06-23 23:47 | User Profile
serbianfire, I understand your sentiments, but an insult is an insult... let's not start qualifying the hostilities. After all, the way you feel about certain Hrvat may well be exactly the way I feel about certain Srbi. I'm not interested. Predictable, and unproductive.
**I do not want to waste anyones time on it. **
Good, let's not then, unless discussion regarding war propaganda is absolutely necessary. There was - and is - a lot of propaganda by all sides.
I'm only sorry that a reasonable partition could not be agreed upon. The region was destablized by the Srb desire for a Greater Serbia at the expense of their Hrvat neighbors.
Zvaci, your enthusiasm and dedication is admirable. I may not agree with certain of your principles - for instance, I favour expulsion to create a homogenous state over your and Pavelic's more extreme 'final solution' - but I'll never put down a fellow patriot.
And one can't argue with the fact that Hrvatska (and BiH) was the target of brutal aggression and 'Serbification' by extremist ultranationalist Srbi. It is unfortunate (to say the least) that so many cannot bring themselves to admit this basic fact.
It is odd how they celebrate their defeats more than their victories... history has not been kind to them militarily.
2003-06-24 08:51 | User Profile
I didn't know there are so many Hrvati on OD. As a Croat with a personal stake in the last war, I once was also virulently anti Serbian. However, all these years spent in the US had a strange effect on me - I went racial. I am living in a neighborhood that is being rapidly browned-out and must admit that today just the sight of a white person in a supermarket aisle (even a Serbian) makes my heart warm up. Strange things happen in this multi-kulti theme park... Far from advocating the demise of the nation state, I still think we will have to find a modus vivendi between white nations, even between those with scores to settle. Our numbers are dwindling, let's not make this mess even worse than it is now - the future of our civilization is at stake. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I don't think there will be more wars between Serbia and Croatia, although there might be some wrap-up to do with the Muslims in Bosnia. I don't see the ultranationalist Croatians from Hercegovina living with the Muslims in the same state as sanctioned by Dayton. Dayton only tried to replicate the sick American multi-kulti model in Bosnia - it will not work in the long run. As for my Domovina (homeland) - it is, in my opinion, one of the most right-wing countries in the western world. The Croats don't know what a huge intangible capital they are sitting on. Yes - with a GDP of $6-7000 a year or so, it is hardly a prosperous country, but on the other hand, it is a country that is 100% white and more than 90% Croatian, a country that picks its own fruit, does its own chores, slaughters its own livestock, where the warior spirit still exists. Feminism there is still a very faint and abstract phenomenon and there are even some encouraging demographic signs (the birthrate is nearing the replacement level). In a recent attempted "gay parade" there were many more policemen than gays (to protect the homos from a large menacing crowd of assorted skineads, right-wing soccer hooligans, HSP members and other healthy elements). In a country of 4.4 million, 60+ thousands people dressed mostly in black (including local celebrities) regularly show up at concerts of an openly right-wing nationalistic singer (Thompson). Dulcis in fundo - Jews number less than 2000 (0.004% of the population). All in all, not a bad picture. Sometimes I think that spending 50 years in that big refrigerator of history called Communism was not all for the worse and helped preserve some healthy, manly instincts which have all but dissapeared in a lot of western countries. The bad news is that Croatia stands to loose all of this and then some if, as it seems probable, it will join the EU later in the decade. And all that for some elusive and temporary economic gains. Let's hope Croatians come to senses before it's too late. As for myself, I hope to go back for good sometimes next summer - Croatia, here I come!
2003-06-24 11:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by Rudel@Jun 24 2003, 02:51 * Sometimes I think that spending 50 years in that big refrigerator of history called Communism was not all for the worse and helped preserve some healthy, manly instincts which have all but dissapeared in a lot of western countries.*
Great point, but thatââ¬â¢s exactly why I think Eastern Europeââ¬â¢s EU membership maybe to all our benefit in the long run. The clash of old Soviet east and the decadent neo-Soviet west may well bring the whole rotten structure crashing down. Perhaps Iââ¬â¢m being too optimistic?
2003-06-24 20:32 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Alka@Jun 23 2003, 17:47 * ** Zvaci, your enthusiasm and dedication is admirable. I may not agree with certain of your principles - for instance, I favour expulsion to create a homogenous state over your and Pavelic's more extreme 'final solution' - but I'll never put down a fellow patriot.
**
Thank you very much for the understanding Alka. :) I would like to point out that NDH (WW2 Croatian state) was subjected to the worse sort of demonisation by Jewish circles like Simon Wiesentahl, Georg Soros and naturally Communist Yugoslav and Serbian propaganda. It is the fact that there was retribution measures pointed toward Serbs but that measures was only response on the long Serbian oppression during post WW1 period Yugoslavia and Cetnik (Serbian royalist) butchery in the first months of the new Croatian state 1941. The politic of "Ustasha terror" conducted by Kvaternik clique was later condemned by Ustasha Poglavnik (Leader) Pavelic because innocent people (Croats included) perished also. In every revolutionary movement there are hot heads, and the Ustasha movement was no different. We must also not forget that many parts of Ustasha state was in the state of anarchy: partisans revolted, and Serbian minority did not make it much easier to authorities to break the reds. In the state of anarchy bad things happens. However to demonize NDH knowing that it was born in the hard times of WW2 means to reject all positive points. NDH was instrument of Croatian survival as the nation and protection of our statehood, over our historic territories. Also the state with racial laws protecting the "Aryan honor and race of Croatian people", the state which offered unselfish contribution to the Axis in the struggle against Western Zionism and Eastern Bolshevism.
2003-06-24 21:13 | User Profile
Zvaci- you are sick in the head, how does it feel to become permanently banned from Free Republic? Not so supercool, ehh?
The only common interest we share in Bosnia is the partition of Bosnia into a Croat and Serb section. The muslims were either Croat or Serb in the past, so they can make their own decision or head back to Turkey or Albania. Though, Serbs never had a problem living side by side with non-Serbs.
Pusi je kurac, Pavelic boy. :afro:
2003-06-24 23:44 | User Profile
As for my Domovina (homeland) - it is, in my opinion, one of the most right-wing countries in the western world.
Unfortunately things changed a lot from the death of our late president of strong hand dr.Franjo Tudjman. The liberal-red coalition (supported and instructed in US by multicultural Clintonists and Soros press) is conducting pro EU and pro US "democratic" politic. But yes, the right wing and opposition is stronger and stronger every day. I'm certain they shall win the next elections.
** The Croats don't know what a huge intangible capital they are sitting on. Yes - with a GDP of $6-7000 a year or so, it is hardly a prosperous country, but on the other hand, it is a country that is 100% white and more than 90% Croatian, a country that picks its own fruit, does its own chores, slaughters its own livestock, where the warior spirit still exists. Feminism there is still a very faint and abstract phenomenon and there are even some encouraging demographic signs (the birthrate is nearing the replacement level). In a recent attempted "gay parade" there were many more policemen than gays (to protect the homos from a large menacing crowd of assorted skineads, right-wing soccer hooligans, HSP members and other healthy elements). In a country of 4.4 million, 60+ thousands people dressed mostly in black (including local celebrities) regularly show up at concerts of an openly right-wing nationalistic singer (Thompson). Dulcis in fundo - Jews number less than 2000 (0.004% of the population). All in all, not a bad picture. Sometimes I think that spending 50 years in that big refrigerator of history called Communism was not all for the worse and helped preserve some healthy, manly instincts which have all but dissapeared in a lot of western countries. The bad news is that Croatia stands to loose all of this and then some if, as it seems probable, it will join the EU later in the decade. And all that for some elusive and temporary economic gains. Let's hope Croatians come to senses before it's too late. As for myself, I hope to go back for good sometimes next summer - Croatia, here I come!**
Yes, our major potential is beautiful and unpolluted nature overwhelming with historic monuments. Im convinced that our coast shall become prosperous turist destination like south of France or Spain in near future. Like you said the mayor danger is in the EU expansion- unlike many others I prefer freedom and clean air more than wealth and multicultural degeneration. As I noticed our folks from America, Canada, Australia and South Africa are successful and hardworking individuals, and I have no doubt our homeland would also be rich if there was not 50 years of destructive communism and plunder of our national wealth for "non-developed" republics of ex-Yugoslavia. All Croats from the world are more than welcome to return to their old country. We need patriots with capitalist knowledge to buy our companies before international capital does it. Recently some of our people from South Africa started to return here after blacks took over. I'm angry just like they are because savages took their new homeland but I'm happy they returned.
2003-06-24 23:56 | User Profile
Zvaci boy- Alta boy- note, :dung: Gotovina-boy decidedly talked towards turning himself in when the Fire :cowboy: breathed towards collecting :ph34r: the reward $ for his arrest.... Coincidence? Doubt it.
Where theres smokegenerating, there is the Fire!
2003-06-25 00:29 | User Profile
*Originally posted by serbianfire@Jun 24 2003, 15:13 * ** The only common interest we share in Bosnia is the partition of Bosnia into a Croat and Serb section. The muslims were either Croat or Serb in the past, so they can make their own decision or head back to Turkey or Albania. Though, Serbs never had a problem living side by side with non-Serbs.
Pusi je kurac, Pavelic boy. :afro: **
Things are not that simple serbianfire. We still have Sriem and Boka Kotorska to return in future. We only wish what is ours and I would recommend you to do the same. Instead of assaulting Croatian and Bosnian lands you should clean up your own backyard and retake Kosovo from those deadly strong Albanian sheepherders :D Until than quit dreaming about Bosnia. lol Jedi govna ÃËedomire :taz:
2003-06-25 00:44 | User Profile
*Originally posted by serbianfire@Jun 24 2003, 17:56 * ** Zvaci boy- Alta boy- note,ÃÂ :dung: Gotovina-boy decidedly talked towards turning himself in when the FireÃÂ :cowboy: breathed towards collecting :ph34r:ÃÂ the reward $ for his arrest.... Coincidence? Doubt it.ÃÂ Where theres smokegenerating, there is the Fire! **
Well, serbian-fart-fire, Thanks to the right-wing leader Ivic Paà ¡alic :hit: and his nationalist "Croatian Block" the reward of the same sum of money stands also for the identity of the posible Judas wich shall sing where Gotovina is. Its in fact the fatal judgemant to all possible traitors. :)
2003-06-25 02:50 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Zvaci@Jun 24 2003, 18:29 * ** . We still have Sriem and Boka Kotorska to return in future. We only wish what is ours and I would recommend you to do the same. Instead of assaulting Croatian and Bosnian lands you should clean up your own backyard and retake Kosovo from those deadly strong Albanian sheepherders :D Until than quit dreaming about Bosnia. lol
Srem is my family home and Petrinja as well. Will you prevent my trip to Petrinje this Summer? **
:hyp:
2003-06-25 05:12 | User Profile
Nice to see more Hrvati out and about on the Internet. :)
Rudel: I believe your opinions regarding BiH and its 'future' are correct. I also very strongly agree with your belief that joining the EU would be bad for Hrvatska.
Far from advocating the demise of the nation state, I still think we will have to find a modus vivendi between white nations, even between those with scores to settle. Our numbers are dwindling, let's not make this mess even worse than it is now - the future of our civilization is at stake.
Well said. I completely agree with this sentiment. It does no good for us to slaugther and despise one another. We must strive to reach a fair compromise and learn to live with each other, or at least, a measure of tolerance for those on our borders.
Jews number less than 2000 (0.004% of the population)
:th:
As for myself, I hope to go back for good sometimes next summer - Croatia, here I come!
What region are you thinking of moving back to, if you don't mind me asking? My parents recently bought some land in Dalmatia for vacation/retirement.
Zvaci: > Thank you very much for the understanding Alka.
If it weren't for the dedication and fervor of patriots like you, I'd shudder to think what might have happened. I'd never put down a dedicated patriot and I'll always defend them. We owe our patriots so much!!
**All Croats from the world are more than welcome to return to their old country. We need patriots with capitalist knowledge to buy our companies before international capital does it. **
Not only that but more Hrvati need to purchase our land to keep it out of the hands of foreigners. So far both my brother and parents have bought land. You know what I'm saving up for.
AntiYuppie: > What makes America special in a sense is that it is probably the only nation on earth where "white nationalism" can work.
Sadly I think that the USA is the only nation on earth where white nationalism can't work. Sure, 77% of your population is 'white' but the population is overwhelmingly liberal and dedicated to preserving the 'freedom' of Jews, blacks, homosexuals - anyone that is but those of European ancestry.
In the US, if one has an "ethnic" identity at all, it is one of "white" versus mestizo, negro, Jew, Arab, etc.
LOL That's not an identity, that's a skin colour.
So many Americans are completely ignorant of their ethnic heritage it's not funny. I can't count how many Americans I've met who, when asked about their ancestors, stammer a reply to the effect that they really don't know, or that they're jsut 'American' (sorry, but that's not an ethnic group, at least not these days), or blankly say they're 'white' (which is the best way to identify someone who knows nothing about their direct ancestral heritage). I've had some Americans gawk at me incomprehendingly when I observe that 'white' Americans are overwhelmingly ethnic British. But that heritage has been so thoroughly wiped from the collective American white mindset that it is tough to hold out any hope of reclaiming it...
Now in Europe, and in recent European immigrants, there's still that mindfulness and pride of what we are and where we came from. Don't believe me, ask any Russian, Italian, Hrvat, Dane about their ancestors. Hope you have time to spare. I can trace my ancestry over centuries.
In the Balkans, Serb versus Croat still matters just as in Belfast whether you are Unionist or Republican matters.
Bad analogy. Srbi and Hrvati are completely different ethnicities while Unionist/Republican differ only politically.
Concerning the Balkans, I agree that "Yugoslavia" was functionally inoperable and that Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia should be independent nations. What I disagree with is the creation of an artificial NWO protectorate for Muslims called "Bosnia-Herzegovina" (which had no historical precedent apart from its existence as an entity during Turkish occupation) and the handing over of Serb territory to Albanian jihadis. I would like to see Kosovo returned to Serbian and "Bosnia-Herzegovina" divided between Serbia and Croatia
Spoken like an outsider, not your fault, the history is very confusing even to one from the region (one must take care to sort the propaganda from the truth). Macedonia, although Bulgaria has a stronger historical and cultural claim, should probably be part of Srbia along with Kosovo. It has little to no chance - like BiH - of surviving on its own. All of BiH is historically Hrvati territory and should be reunited with Hrvatska.
** but neither will happen because the Balkans Muslims have become the client warriors for the neocons and their New World Order.**
?? An about-face?
serbianfire: > how does it feel to become permanently banned from Free Republic?
I'd say it's an identifying hallmark of quality and intelligence. It's easy to get banned from FReeker country if you're pro-Hrvat: the site is completely biased toward Srbi and is quite the source for anti-Hrvati sentiment and propaganda.
The only common interest we share in Bosnia is the partition of Bosnia into a Croat and Serb section.
Hrvati want the whole of BiH returned to us, it was bad enough how much of our territory was arbitrarily taken from HR and given to other FYR by Tito and his not-so-merrry band of partizans. Yes, I know you disagree, and I know why.
Personally I believe that if you Srbi had your priorities in order you would withdraw from the so-called RS in BiH and transfer that Srb population to Kosovo, and that's the only intelligent thing left for your people to do, if you really want to retake Kosovo. You have a choice: either it's BiH or Kosovo, and you cannot - and will not - be able to have both. Pick.
Though, Serbs never had a problem living side by side with non-Serbs.
You've been listening to too much of your own propaganda. :lol: Sorry, but the Srbi are not the world's most peaceful people, historically either warfare has been forced upon them or they have forced it upon others.
2003-06-25 17:46 | User Profile
I ask, will you prevent my trip to Petrinje this summer?