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xmetalhead [OP]

2003-06-17 00:42 | User Profile

This one got me......

Past Performance is Not Indicative of Future Gains

by Andrei Kievsky

Loaded: 6/15/2003

Back when I worked for Boston-area high-technology companies, I spent many a day among the middle class. They were for the most part college-educated white people. I talked to these people and told them that the dot-com boom wasn't going to last much longer, and it was going to be curtailed that much more by immigration and H1-B visas. I was regarded as a crank, a doomsayer, and a racist.

These people were very sure that the dot-com boom was more or less permanent. They were very self assured that the current conditions were here to stay. They were sure that there prosperity and comfort was their well-deserved right, and that their support of the status quo of diversity, non-white immigration, and a noblesse oblige attitude towards non-whites ensured their place in Olympia.

I made the prediction that the dot-com boom would expire, and the American middle class would soon find itself in dire straits. As I said, this was met with arrogant contempt and condescending dismissal. Look who was right!

[url=http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2003/0615/coverstory.htm]http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2003/.../coverstory.htm[/url]

"Middle Class and Out of Work

When white-collar professionals get the pink slip, they face a reality they never expected: Getting back into the work force is a full-time - and often futile - job."

I urge you to read this whole Boston Globe article and ponder what it means to our Cause. These are the people who view us as toothless, ignorant, inbred losers, while they are enlightened, deservedly wealthy, nobly obliging citizens of the world. They are what Max Weber described in his book on Calvinism and the Protestant ethic - namely, Americans who believe that wealth is proof of God's blessing. By this yardstick, a non-rich racist warning about immigration from the sub-continent of India is a dweller in some nether circle of Hell.

Way back in 2001, yours truly saw which way the wind was blowing and went into a blue-collar field that was and still is in relatively high demand. Back when I was working in this field and still living in Boston in 2002, I fixed many appliances in the homes of unemployed high-tech workers, and warned them that "it's not coming back." They didn't believe me. They sat in front of their computers, learned XML and Java, and surfed for jobs. I kept my mouth shut regarding the immigrant problem, as I didn't want them calling my employer about the "racist" who was working at their house.

The utter arrogance coupled with complete ignorance of reality of the white middle-class race-traitors should give us some confidence. They were 100% certain that the gravy train would keep a rolling for the rest of their lives, but only a few short years later they were proved wrong and I was proved correct.

These same people "wouldn't mind if their daughter dated a nice black man." These same people believe that "diversity is our strength" and "we are a nation of immigrants" and "Jews are just white people of a different religion who are extra-successful because they work extra-hard."

They continue to fool themselves, telling themselves that their jobs selling Tupperware are just "bridge jobs," and another make-work high-tech bubble job that will return them to the heaven of six figures is just around the corner. The smart money says they are waiting for Godot, or for hell to freeze over. They are like the cargo cults of New Zealand; having once experienced a burst of wealth, they create a lifestyle and a cult around the hopes for its return. Eventually, they will have to give this up and find a new model of life. It's not going to be an easy transition . . .

Still, it's lonely to be so far ahead of the curve. I wish I lived in a community of like-minded survivalist gardeners, but I think I shall have to wait a while. What I have now is a society of people who are waiting and watching for things to revert to the former status quo. I see a lot of fear and uncertainty, and some resignation among the working classes. The working-class whites all agree with me on the racial question, but they are basically useless because they are resigned to being powerless.

The middle-class whites are going through the stage of "won't the government do something to save us wonderful chosen people who maintain the power structure of this country?" They have not realized that their existence means nothing to George Bush and Abe Foxman, no matter how many flags they wave and Holocaust museums they visit. But that's coming.

The fall of middle-class prosperity came right in on schedule, according to the Kievsky model. PhD's in philosophy have accused me of "prophecy" but I said it's merely "extrapolation from current trends," and I truly believe that. Back in 2001, I could feel a spectacular terrorist attack was coming, just as I knew there'd be a dispossession of the high-tech middle class. But it was hardly prophesy. Anybody with common sense can see where America is headed.

What's coming after this? I truly believe that food shortages and a breakdown of the infrastructure are in the offing. I have been correct enough in my predictions to feel confident in saying this. I recently had a conversation with an elderly man who was a volunteer in "civil defense" who told me all about the survivability of nuclear explosions and what will happen under martial law. Especially interesting was when he told me, "If they blow up the refineries in Texas and New Jersey, the whole country is going to be farming with spades! There will be mass chaos and starvation! This country isn't ready for any breakdown at all!"

Apparently there are only two big refineries in the whole country, in Texas and New Jersey, and if Al-Qaeda takes these out, we'll be riding bicycles and farming with spades. Imagine the chaos when all the non-whites aren't getting their faces fed for them, and the trucks aren't running.

At this juncture I'll remind you of my perennial exhortation to learn to farm/garden without gasoline. Check out [url=http://www.leevalley.com]http://www.leevalley.com[/url] at the very least you should get a U-Bar digger. And get the books, "The Vegetable Gardener's Bible" and "Square Foot Gardening" and "Edible Wild Plants of North America." And remember, for a sure bite to eat you can take your U-Bar Digger and quickly dig up worms and grubs from the nearest meadow. I just urge gardening because it will be nice to have some vegetables to wash down the worms, grubs, songbirds and squirrels.

The rulers of this country don't care whether you live or die. According to this elderly gentleman, who is an expert on civil defense, we are totally on our own in the event of a national emergency. In fact, under martial law the government will seize local food stores (that they know about), NKVD style. An artificial famine in the American breadbasket? Well, it happened in Ukraine not 70 years ago!

I know even in 2003 that middle-class types will laugh at me. But a lot of these aren't laughing about their current prospects, and things are just going to get worse (or better, from our perspective) in the next couple of years.

ITZ COMING!

ANDREI KIEVSKY

[url=http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/vnn/showEssay.asp?essayID=1425]http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/vnn/sho...sp?essayID=1425[/url]


2600

2003-06-17 00:58 | User Profile

Kievsky is right [although I don't know how far away the 'collapse' truly is]. When immigration and the globalization of labor affected only the working class, middle-class whites such as these who worked in the tech sector didn't care. Why should they care where their textiles were made? It's cheaper, it must be better for the consumer! 'Cuz that is the only thing that really matters, right, guys? :angry: Now when they find out that IT work, programming, financial analysis, etc can be done just as easily in India as in Indiana, they will hopefully see thru the lies of the NWO globalists.

Itz coming? Depends on how de-racinated whites act when their backs are truly against the wall. I'm guardedly optimistic.... :gun:


Campion Moore Boru

2003-06-17 01:49 | User Profile

Hmmm.

I kinda missed the segway from "I predicted the dot.com bust" to famine/food shortages. :1eye:


PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-17 02:06 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Campion Moore Boru@Jun 16 2003, 21:49 * ** Hmmm.

I kinda missed the segway from "I predicted the dot.com bust" to famine/food shortages. :1eye: **

The implicit operating assumption is that the System, both in its political and economic dimensions, is not sustainable over the long-term.

I have to agree with Kievsky that something is happening. Just tonight I was discussing with my mother these trends about "comp time" eliminating overtime laws and "floating holidays" that companies are moving toward, as well as the way that the GOP plutocrats are trying to re-engineer the bankruptcy laws and such. Not to mention the way they're importing Third World immigrants to further depress wages and destroy this country's middle class.

My mother recalls "the way things were," and it is her assessment that this country is going backwards in this area. All of the labor laws and protections that workers fought for in the late 19th and early 20th centuries are being reversed. Neither she nor I saw anything on the horizon that would reverse these degenerative trends. We're all being boiled like the frog in the pot as we enter slavery on the Global Plantation.


nikolai

2003-06-17 02:25 | User Profile

Civilization is a fragile thing. Consider this article concerning Zimbabwe:

[url=http://www.suntimes.co.za/2003/06/15/news/africa/africa02.asp]http://www.suntimes.co.za/2003/06/15/news/...ca/africa02.asp[/url]

Anyone that would have predicted this turn of events back in the 1980s concerning Rhodesia would have been denounced as a “racist”, “paranoid”, “crack pot”, etc.

People are pouring into the United States and demanding more and more government services. Jobs are leaving the country. This is a very dangerous combination.

The government can keep people in line with an endless supply of bread and circuses. However, once the bread runs out all bets are off.


Campion Moore Boru

2003-06-17 08:10 | User Profile

Guys,

we're a far cry from Zimbistan. Our farmers are the most productive in the world, and that sucks if you want to make money off crops. FEDGOV pays to NOT produce.

Barring some intentional malicious act by the gubbmint or some third party, there will be no food shortages. The weak point would, of course, be transportation or less so, food processing.

Of course, should Corporate farming reach such market power as to be a dominant monopole/monopolist, the equation would change. But then we're talking criminal profit taking and/or collusion. Still too many small Kraut/Polack/Scandi farmers out there.

Edit for typos.


Walter Yannis

2003-06-17 11:10 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Campion Moore Boru@Jun 17 2003, 08:10 * ** Guys,

we're a far cry from Zimbistan. Our farmers are the most productive in the world, and that sucks if you want to make money off crops. FEDGOV pays to NOT produce.

Barring some intentional malicious act by the gubbmint or some third party, there will be no food shortages. The weak point would, of course, be transportation or less so, food processing.

Of course, should Corporate farming reach such market power as to be a dominant monopole/monopolist, the equation would change. But then we're talking criminal profit taking and/or collusion. Still too many small Kraut/Polack/Scandi farmers out there.

Edit for typos. **

We're far from Zambistan because "only" 15% of our population is black. If we were - what? - 95% black then hello Haiti.

The question, as you correctly point out, is how far we are from a "collapse." We're on a higher level than third world countries, and so our collapse will be from that higher level to some lower level. How far will we sink?

Beats me. I think that we're most likely looking at total debasement of the US dollar and a collapse of the federal government. It will collapse, I would guess, back to the States. This seems to be the pattern from the former USSR to Yugoslavia: the federal empires collapse down to their constituent parts and internal borders become internationalized.

The details are impossible to foresee. Were I to venture a guess, I'd say that "white" America will shed much of the Coasts and the South West, deporting others to those areas.

But again, who knows?

Walter


il ragno

2003-06-17 11:34 | User Profile

I frankly do not believe only 15% of current USA pop is black. If you quantify mestizos as 'black' (they are currently tallied as 'white') I'm not sure you're not looking at a 35% total, perhaps higher.

The states with low minority totals are low population areas to begin with. But the Deep South is 30-40% black and always has been, Michigan & Ohio are overrun with them and I'd like for someone to credibly tell me that NY, Ill & Calif are comfortably majority-white!

Here is the crux of Kievsky's alarmism, and it's scarily well-founded: in a time of crisis - economic collapse, nuclear attack, massive power outages or damage to infrastructure - blacks/browns, already useless, become a dangerous liability to order, let alone any sort of recovery.

For one thing, check your crime stats and you will see blacks need little provocation for lawlessness & violence as is, in time of plenty......so imagine after the collapse! Combine that with the undeniable trend that - just as aggression and hostility has been bred into our 'minorities', it has been ruthlessly bred OUT of whites, by design. It'll be "Buck tha Devil" and "Fck tha Police" pitted against the massed might of millions of candle-holding sheep warbling "Kumbaya" and "Imagine" off-key. Cleanup crews will slip and fall on the blood for weeks*.

Blacks/browns - their current manifestations, at least - are vanity items for our Judaized ruling elites, the way nobles of old bred gladiators or baited bears. Something savage and primal they can nurture to take the sting out of the guilt they harbor for their easy lives and soft constitutions. Besides, it annoys, frightens & endangers We the Groundlings, and WE are who the Elites truly hate. There can never be enough Wichitas for Alan Dershowitz or George Soros or Hillary Clinton or Susan Sontag.

The problem is that when the sh*t hits the fan, the Elites will scurry to their safehouses while all the cage doors automatically open for good.

What's the answer? Learn to shoot.


xmetalhead

2003-06-17 13:16 | User Profile

*Originally posted by il ragno@Jun 17 2003, 06:34 * ** Here is the crux of Kievsky's alarmism, and it's scarily well-founded: in a time of crisis - economic collapse, nuclear attack, massive power outages or damage to infrastructure - blacks/browns, already useless, become a dangerous liability to order, let alone any sort of recovery.

**

IR, I agree with this observation and this is the nightmare scenario that struck me when I first read Kievsky's commentary. Just like the jews lowball their own numbers, the jews lowball all minority populations to keep Whites pacified and working hard to pay taxes, but the inevitable collapse of this country will reveal just how many non-Whites there really are in this country. When the rampaging, killing and looting begin, Whites will die in large numbers. We're just not prepared mentally. Just like the IT workers Kievsky wrote about who thought their jobs would last forever and laughed at the thought of losing their job but alas today find themselves working in Home Depot, the ones who deny the inevitable collapse of our country will breath their last breath boiling in a pot of water when the brown savages revert back to the law of the jungle.

For me, I will already have my can-opener, matches, pot, and thousands of cans of non-perishables stockpiled far from any urban ape city. I'll also have my guns and mucho ammo and I'll be in way upstate NY.

I'm with Kievsky, the collapse is just a few short years away, and I'm not taking any chances. Since the gov't firmly controls the farming industry they thereby control the biggest, most important factor in revolution or no revolution....genocide or no genocide....whatever they decide.

Members of OD, do you have any thoughts on a plan of action for the "end-game" coming to the US?


seq

2003-06-17 21:58 | User Profile

xmetalhead:

Just like the jews lowball their own numbers, the jews lowball all minority populations to keep Whites pacified and working hard to pay taxes, but the inevitable collapse of this country will reveal just how many non-Whites there really are in this country.

That’s why the comparatively far off year 2050 is given as the demographic “tipping” point. Whites are counting on that mythical date to allow them enough time to turn things around or to plan strategies and escape routes.

Members of OD, do you have any thoughts on a plan of action for the "end-game" coming to the US?

If the Pacific Northwest is no longer viable, what’s left within the continental U.S.?


Walter Yannis

2003-06-18 06:16 | User Profile

*Originally posted by il ragno@Jun 17 2003, 11:34 * ** I frankly do not believe only 15% of current USA pop is black. If you quantify mestizos as 'black' (they are currently tallied as 'white') I'm not sure you're not looking at a 35% total, perhaps higher.

The states with low minority totals are low population areas to begin with. But the Deep South is 30-40% black and always has been, Michigan & Ohio are overrun with them and I'd like for someone to credibly tell me that NY, Ill & Calif are comfortably majority-white!

Here is the crux of Kievsky's alarmism, and it's scarily well-founded: in a time of crisis - economic collapse, nuclear attack, massive power outages or damage to infrastructure - blacks/browns, already useless, become a dangerous liability to order, let alone any sort of recovery.

For one thing, check your crime stats and you will see blacks need little provocation for lawlessness & violence as is, in time of plenty......so imagine after the collapse! Combine that with the undeniable trend that - just as aggression and hostility has been bred into our 'minorities', it has been ruthlessly bred OUT of whites, by design. It'll be "Buck tha  Devil" and "Fck tha Police" pitted against the massed might of millions of candle-holding sheep warbling "Kumbaya" and "Imagine" off-key. Cleanup crews will slip and fall on the blood for weeks*.

Blacks/browns - their current manifestations, at least - are vanity items for our Judaized ruling elites, the way nobles of old bred gladiators or baited bears. Something savage and primal they can nurture to take the sting out of the guilt they harbor for their easy lives and soft constitutions. Besides, it annoys, frightens & endangers We the Groundlings, and WE are who the Elites truly hate. There can never be enough Wichitas for Alan Dershowitz or George Soros or Hillary Clinton or Susan Sontag.

The problem is that when the sh*t hits the fan, the Elites will scurry to their safehouses while all the cage doors automatically open for good.

What's the answer? Learn to shoot. **

Il Ragno:

I don't consider Mexicans to be "black." They're at least a notch above African Americans morally and in terms of intellect. They ain't white, but they are a hard working bunch, at least the first generation. They have more intact families (again, at least at first). None of that can be said for blacks, who long ago decended into anomie. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Mexicans here in large numbers. They're especially dangerous because they're (a) more intelligent than blacks on average, and (B) they're supported by a white elite south of our border that is intent on using them to extend their power and influence northward. But at the same time let's call a spade a spade. Africans they ain't. Mexicans are our new, and vastly improved, Negroes.

Other than that I agree with you. The only thing we can do is, as you say, arm ourselves and prepare for the collapse. May it come sooner rather than later, because the longer we wait the worse the aftermath is likely to be. If it happened now we'd be assured of emerging intact. That result becomes less probable as time goes on.

Regards,

Walter


Roy Batty

2003-06-18 06:32 | User Profile

Walter, the mestizos are not much ahead of blacks in terms of intellect. Not at all. The arrivals from South of the border over the last 15 years have been notable in their increasing lack of intellect. The performance of latinos in CA schools is now worse than that of blacks. Sure, some of it is cultural, but not all of it. We are getting a huge influx of "Indios", and they are as dumb as dirt, and incredibly violent and impulsive.

Yeah, they have a work ethic for awhile, but the work ethic is vanishing, even amongst new arrivals. The mestizos carry some "work ethic" across the border with them, only because there is no safety blanket of social services in May-hee-co. Once they get to the US, the genetic factors that make Mexico (and most of Latin America) a mudhole kick into high gear for many mestizos/Indios, because of all the freebies furnished at the expense of whitey. Their dependency on social services in S. CA rivals that of blacks, and will soon outstrip the blacks at the rate they are going. Same for their illegitimate birth rate, which is closing in on black levels at blinding speed.

These savages are a big problem.

I'm glad to see guys like Il Ragno sounding off on an impending collapse. It used to make me feel so lonely to espouse such a view. It is inevitable. And you had better learn to shoot if you don't know how. When it first hits, everything is going to be aimed whitey's way. But only at first. The elites will eventually have to head to the airport. Many of them may not make it in time. I hope.


Walter Yannis

2003-06-18 12:35 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Roy Batty@Jun 18 2003, 06:32 * ** Walter, the mestizos are not much ahead of blacks in terms of intellect. Not at all. The arrivals from South of the border over the last 15 years have been notable in their increasing lack of intellect. The performance of latinos in CA schools is now worse than that of blacks. Sure, some of it is cultural, but not all of it. We are getting a huge influx of "Indios", and they are as dumb as dirt, and incredibly violent and impulsive.

Yeah, they have a work ethic for awhile, but the work ethic is vanishing, even amongst new arrivals. The mestizos carry some "work ethic" across the border with them, only because there is no safety blanket of social services in May-hee-co. Once they get to the US, the genetic factors that make Mexico (and most of Latin America) a mudhole kick into high gear for many mestizos/Indios, because of all the freebies furnished at the expense of whitey. Their dependency on social services in S. CA rivals that of blacks, and will soon outstrip the blacks at the rate they are going. Same for their illegitimate birth rate, which is closing in on black levels at blinding speed.

These savages are a big problem.

I'm glad to see guys like Il Ragno sounding off on an impending collapse. It used to make me feel so lonely to espouse such a view. It is inevitable. And you had better learn to shoot if you don't know how. When it first hits, everything is going to be aimed whitey's way. But only at first. The elites will eventually have to head to the airport. Many of them may not make it in time. I hope. **

Maybe you're right. My perceptions are based largely on experiences of 20 years ago, including a four year hitch in the military. It was there that I learned the truth about blacks, may a merciful God help them. The Mexicans weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, but they were much easier to deal with than blacks.

I guess things have changed. Part of it might be numbers. Mexicans felt themselves to be a small minority then, they don't feel that way now, and so they grow bolder in their demands.

I agree that there's a crunch time waiting for us out there somewhere in the future.

We can't know when it will be, which is why we must prepare for it now.

Walter


nikolai

2003-06-18 23:34 | User Profile

This is the issue (losing jobs to Third World countries) that will awaken many Whites. As long as the average white man can live in a safe and cozy neighborhood complete with a big screen television to watch sports and pornography, he will be satisfied. There is no way you will be able to reach the guy who has a steady diet of bread and circuses. Such a man will be more than happy to espouse all the official diversity slogans.

Take away the bread (meaning material possessions) and things will get interesting.

Never cross a man with nothing to lose.