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Thread ID: 7395 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2003-06-16
2003-06-16 12:39 | User Profile
Replaced by Tata Consulting India employees in Lake Mary, FL :
I am one of 20+ Americans that were mandated to train our foreign replacement workers; in Lake Mary, FL. Those workers are Tata Consulting(TCS) India employees. TCS India transfers their employees from TCS India to TCS USA using the congressional H-1b and L-1 "intra-company transfer" work visas. Their goal, the jobs we did. Once the training was completed the Americans were laid off.
Our management brought the Americans into a room and told them they would be laid off. But first they said, "we want you to train your replacements". They held out a carrot for the Americans, a severance; "stay on and we'll give you this severance when you leave."
Now, Is this fair to American citizens? Believe me, it is happening all over the country and our congressional leaders will not help us. To name a few, JP Morgan Tampa, Siemens Energy & Automotive Atlanta, American Express, Siemens Shared Services Orlando. In fact Siemens Shared Services used the "L-1" visa to replace their Accounts Payable staff with Indians from India. It's not just the Information Technology industry that is targeted.
Over 9 months of begging and pleading for help from the likes of FL Senator Bob Graham(D), FL Senator Bill Nelson(D) and FL Representative John L. Mica® have gotten us nowhere.
Tata Consulting India has done this so many times they have become complacent. They put their entire replacement project documentation( 500MB/800 documents) on the shared drive at Siemens. Among those documents are the "infamous" knowledge transition documents.
That would be knowledge transfer from AMERICANS to Indians; right here in Lake Mary, FL. Those documents were provided to the DOJ, DOL, INS, Senators and Representatives. Did they do anything? Not a chance in hell.
You'd think your US representative would care about Americans being pushed out of the industry by foreigners on H-1b and L-1 visas. Not ours. Our representative, Rep John L. Mica was in contact with Siemens. During the exact timeframe we were pounding his office for help(Aug 15-Dec/2002) he was cashing campaign contribution checks from Siemens. You can see them right here at [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/Mica_Contributions.html]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/Mica...tributions.html[/url] For whom do you think he cares for? His corporations or his constituents?
I taught my 3 replacement workers how true middleware tools work. We taught them how our web application utilizes IBM's MQ Series and Websphere MQ Integrator to communicate to/from SAP. Middleware connectivity like this using queuing/XML, web services etc. is some of the latest technology available. What I'm getting at is our displacement is not about replacing has-been COBOL programmers. It is about replacing Americans with integral knowledge of start-of-the-art technology.
I'm the luckiest of the ex-Siemens workers, I located another job; but that cannot be said about most of my ex-coworkers. Many are still unemployed, some have spent 401K funds to survive. One person changed careers. He is now doing landscaping after a 23 year career in IT.
I found documents on the server that listed the families of our replacement workers. Some have children of school age. So it is highly likely that the property taxes of the displaced/replaced American citizens will pay for the education of their replacements children.
Is this fair to American citizens?
We've spent the last 9 months dealing with the DOL, INS, DOJ, Senators and Congress Representatives. No one will help American citizens.
This was the most demoralizing time of my life. The worst part was not Siemens nor TCS, nor the Indians. The worst part was the lack of support from our political leaders.
Read the Business Week article about the L-1 visa. Since we took our displacement public we were able to get Brian Grow of BW to write about this awful congressional visa. It was noted on the cover "Workplace - A troubling Immigration loophole" [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/BusinessWeek/Business_Week.html]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/BusinessW...iness_Week.html[/url]
IMO, it is not a loophole. It is a strategy of Congress to give back to the corporations that fund their campaigns.
From NBC Hartford, CT, news report about CIGNA importing foreign replacement workers; and laying off Americans? My bet is it is done with Congressional L-1 visas not H-1bs. U.S. Representative Nancy Johnson, CT is asking CIGNA, Aetna and other companies to answer why they are firing local workers and replacing them with non-immigrant workers. [url=http://www.nbc30.com/nbc30/2190071/detail.html]http://www.nbc30.com/nbc30/2190071/detail.html[/url]
And this our story on WKMG CBS Orlando Ch6: Watch our news report from WKMG CBS Orlando,FL 'Where did the jobs go?" Their work is exceptional and TRUE as can be. In the report Siemens says they do not deny any of what we brought to WKMG. [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/wkmg/]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/wkmg/[/url]
You might be interested in reading how your Senator Hillary Clinton was praising the opening of Tata Consulting's new Buffalo office. At the same time Americans are training their Tata Consultant employees/foreign replacement workers in Lake Mary, FL; [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/HillaryTCS.html]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/HillaryTCS.html[/url] [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/TCSFears.html]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/TCSFears.html[/url]
Here are a few quotes from the news report (and from our replacement workers in Lake Mary, FL):
Sunil Kumbhare, Tata Consulting Project Leader, an L-1 visa holder working in Lake Mary, FL: "We have to get our money before the Chinese do."
Amarpreet Singh and Swayambikash Panda Tata Consulting employees, L-1 visa holders from India: When asked if they were paying taxes the answer was "I don't know". Now, how do you not know if you are paying taxes?
You can read more about our displacement at [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/[/url]
Michael T. Emmons Longwood, FL [url=http://www.OutsourceCongress.org:81/]http://www.OutsourceCongress.org:81/[/url]
2003-06-16 15:59 | User Profile
Its a sad story, one a number on this forum have tried to do something about. But the political dynamics behind the two-party pro-immigration conscensus (Dem's want the votes, Pubbies like the labor) seem especially pronounced in the case of H1-B, L, etc.
2003-06-16 16:49 | User Profile
I taught my 3 replacement workers how true middleware tools work. We taught them how our web application utilizes IBM's MQ Series and Websphere MQ Integrator to communicate to/from SAP. Middleware connectivity like this using queuing/XML, web services etc. is some of the latest technology available. What I'm getting at is our displacement is not about replacing has-been COBOL programmers. It is about replacing Americans with integral knowledge of start-of-the-art technology.
That Americans could always find employment via retraining and taking up emerging fields, be they IT or whatnot is a favourite canard of the Globalization peddlers. A moment of reflection reveals this arrangement as unworkable for it cannot go on indefinitely. Once a technology is invented anyone with nominal intelligence can be trained to make its usage and to develop more of it, and whether it is called state-of-the-art or something else is irrelevant. Globalization means unfettered access to cheap labour. It really is that straightforward. The experience here described mirrors other sectors and unless a person is supremely gifted and is deemed indispensable by the corporate higher-ups his position is up for re-evaluation each time cost-saving measures are considered.
With politicians on the take there is nothing one can do for the moment, save writing down names and taking notes (as is apparently being done). Once significant portion of the populace shares in similar experiences certain other options may become feasible.
2003-06-16 21:54 | User Profile
And a lot of people still wonder why I say there is going to be a major collapse, smoke in the skies and blood in the streets. Call me Enoch Batty.
At least most of our targets and enemies will be easily recognizable when it's time to clean up.
2003-06-16 22:48 | User Profile
*Originally posted by troup1998@Jun 16 2003, 12:39 * ** Now, Is this fair to American citizens? Believe me, it is happening all over the country and our congressional leaders will not help us... You'd think your US representative would care about Americans being pushed out of the industry by foreigners on H-1b and L-1 visas. Not ours. **
Or any, and the ones who pretend to care are the worst. A near-local Democrat named Dennis Kucinich loves to go make speeches about people made redundant, then he goes right on pushing multiculturalism.
Lots of weepy puff pieces for over 20 years now about downsizing and off-shoring and now genotype replacement and this is the one thing we've learned for absolute fact: Nobody cares till it's his turn.
Lots of us stopped caring because we know how far it got the farmers and the miners and the machine tool industry workers. It might not be time to take Keivsky's advice over at VNN, but being able to eat worms when you have to might help. Depend on your fellow citizens to do nothing. They'll never let you down.
2003-06-16 23:28 | User Profile
I see this is one board I don't need to wake up. I saw someone post my website on the Europe immigration board so I thought I'd sign up.
It looks like most are in agreement, except I'm not going to just roll over.
I have battled my congressman for 9 months. He no longer will communicate with me. Now, I just expose his injustice on a daily basis. I just may end up on the ballot next Oct 2004, under www.AmericaFirstParty.org
My correspondence w/Mica: [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/mica/]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/mica/[/url]
His loophole filled bill: [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/mica/Mica_L1.html]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/mica/Mica_L1.html[/url]
the money he was taking from Siemens while we were begging him for help. [url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/Mica_Contributions.html]http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/Mica...tributions.html[/url]
and this letter is something a representative has probably never written before. [url=http://www.outsourcecongress.org:81/mica/Rep_Mica_20030319.html]http://www.outsourcecongress.org:81/mica/R...a_20030319.html[/url]
Take care,
Mike [url=http://www.OutsourceCongress.org:81/]http://www.OutsourceCongress.org:81/[/url]
2003-06-21 09:48 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Sisyfos@Jun 16 2003, 10:49 * ** With politicians on the take there is nothing one can do for the moment, save writing down names and taking notes (as is apparently being done). Once significant portion of the populace shares in similar experiences certain other options may become feasible.
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::Winks and nods::
;)
I'm a software engineer, and indeed, things are very, very bad. Honestly, I think I'm going to have to throw all of my programming experience away and find a whole different career.