← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Eendracht Maakt Mag
Thread ID: 7351 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2003-06-14
2003-06-14 19:12 | User Profile
who are the blondest and the reddest haired people in the world?
2003-06-14 19:17 | User Profile
who are the blondest and the reddest haired people in the world?
Um...let me guess--the Russians? Of course! It must be the Russians! The greatest, Aryanest, and Europeanest people in da woild! :rolleyes:
2003-06-14 19:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by Kurt@Jun 14 2003, 13:17 * ** Um...let me guess--the Russians*? Of course! It must be the Russians! The greatest, Aryanest, and Europeanest people in da woild! :rolleyes: **
Yes, we are the "greatest, Aryanest" people in the world. :D
However, we are neither the most blonde nor the most red haired. Keep guessing.
2003-06-14 19:28 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Prodigal Son@Jun 14 2003, 15:12 * ** who are the blondest and the reddest haired people in the world? **
I don't know about the blondest--I'd thought that was the Russians.
As for the most red-haired, that would be the Jews. At least a rabidly Zionist Jew professor of mine once told the class that.
2003-06-14 19:32 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 14 2003, 13:28 * ** As for the most red-haired, that would be the Jews. At least a rabidly Zionist Jew professor of mine once told the class that.*
That would make him a liar. I don't know, I've always found it quite comical how the most Zionist, supremacist Jews try to draw a picture of "white Jewry"-a Zionist that I know actually told me that the original Jews were Nordic :lol:
Then again, the Bible does have a few descriptions of blue-eyed blondes-King David for exmaple (I'll find a reference later).
2003-06-14 19:35 | User Profile
*Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 14 2003, 13:28 * ** [QUOTE=Prodigal Son,Jun 14 2003, 15:12 ] who are the blondest and the reddest haired people in the world? [/QUOTE] I don't know about the blondest--I'd thought that was the Russians.
**
No. Hair blodism in Russia, divided into 9 anthropological areas, varies from 47.5 to in the Northeast to 30% in the Southwest.
The blondest people in the world are actually the Finns. I've seen rates of blondism as high as 89% for them.
2003-06-14 19:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by Prodigal Son+Jun 14 2003, 15:32 -->
QUOTE (Prodigal Son @ Jun 14 2003, 15:32 ) <!--QuoteBegin-PaleoconAvatar@Jun 14 2003, 13:28 * ** As for the most red-haired, that would be the Jews. At least a rabidly Zionist Jew professor of mine once told the class that.* That would make him a liar.**
:lol: Why am I not surprised? It seems every word that comes from the mouths of members of The Tribe is a piece of deception. He'd boasted that the Jews pushed the Irish into the #2 slot for red-headedness.
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-06-14 19:44 | User Profile
*Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 14 2003, 13:35 * ** :lol: Why am I not surprised? It seems every word that comes from the mouths of members of The Tribe is a piece of deception. He'd boasted that the Jews pushed the Irish into the #2 slot for red-headedness. **
Well, the Irish aren't actually #1 in terms of red hair color. BTW, what hair color do you have-since you're Irish-Itlaian, I am guessing dark brown with gold highlights + blue eyes?
Kurt
2003-06-14 19:49 | User Profile
From [url=http://www.marciaconner.com/redhair.html]Marcia's Red Hair Page[/url]:
"The highest percentage of natural redheads in the world is in Scotland (13%), followed closely by Ireland with 10%. In the US, about 2% of the population are natural redheads."
(I also heard once that it was the Norwegians.)
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-06-14 19:50 | User Profile
Some scinetists actually think that red hair may be a relic of the Neanderthals... Whatever its origin, it is certainly very ancient:
31 May 2001
Researchers have found that the gene which causes red hair has a variation that may be up to 100,000 years old. They are also trying to understand why some people who carry variants of this gene are more susceptible to skin cancer than others.
Rosalind Harding, the Oxford member of the research team, is investigating why this gene has several common variants that account for most of the red hair found in Europe and if natural selection influences the gene.
Dr Harding, a population geneticist at the Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine, said: 'This research is part of other work we are currently doing in genetics. We wanted to put the red hair gene into an evolutionary context, and the model used for examining this gene is a good basis for further research on other genes. We are doing more sequencing which will hopefully give us more data that are sensitive for revealing natural selection and therefore better results and clearer answers.'
It has been widely reported that the gene originated in Neanderthal man. Dr Harding says this just isn't true: 'We have never stated in our research that this gene is Neanderthal, but at the moment I cannot statistically prove that it isn't which is why others have drawn these conclusions.' It is thought that now people are moving around the world and meeting people from other cultures, the red hair gene is being spread into areas where it would not naturally occur, such as Jamaica. Red hair is also found in Papua New Guinea although it's not known why.
People from these parts of the world have a high proportion of black melanin in their skins, which helps protect them from skin cancer. It could be that those with the red hair gene and the red form of melanin may be more susceptible to skin cancer. Dr Harding says there is still a lot of work to be done: 'We still don't fully understand the links between having light skin which is associated with the red hair gene, and skin cancer especially in non-Europeans.'
[url=http://www.racearchives.com/archived/viewnews.asp?newsID=121303737164]http://www.racearchives.com/archived/viewn...ID=121303737164[/url]
PaleoconAvatar
2003-06-14 19:53 | User Profile
Originally posted by Prodigal Son+Jun 14 2003, 15:44 -->
QUOTE* (Prodigal Son @ Jun 14 2003, 15:44 ) <!--QuoteBegin-PaleoconAvatar@Jun 14 2003, 13:35 * ** :lol: Why am I not surprised? It seems every word that comes from the mouths of members of The Tribe is a piece of deception. He'd boasted that the Jews pushed the Irish into the #2 slot for red-headedness. ** Well, the Irish aren't actually #1 in terms of red hair color. BTW, what hair color do you have-since you're Irish-Itlaian, I am guessing dark brown with gold highlights + blue eyes?**
Pretty accurate description on the hair, but brown eyes. Inherited my mother's skin, too--exceptionally fair and it burns all too easily in the sun. My mother also has brown/hazel eyes which she gets from her parents (both Irish, although the grandfather's side are Protestant Irish, and he has brown eyes and my grandmother hazel). The Italian side of the family is self-explanatory with brown eyes for my dad and both his parents. Strange thing, though, is that my uncle on that Italian side had blue eyes.
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-06-14 20:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=PaleoconAvatar,Jun 14 2003, 13:53]
Pretty accurate description on the hair, but brown eyes.
That's interesting-Ireland is one of the bluest-eyed areas in the world. Then again, there are anthropometric differences between irish Protestants and Catholics, with the former being darker if i am not mistaken
And speaking of redheads, what does everyone think of the first gingerhaired Miss Germany?
[img]http://www.ananova.com/images/web/41376.jpg[/img]
For some reason the only redheads I ever find attractive are the ones without freckles (like this one).
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-06-14 20:09 | User Profile
Answer to number 2:
The reddest haired people in the world are the Permian Finns (Udmurts, Zyrians) etc... living near the Urals in Russia. Read hair seems to have been very common in that region during antiquity, and the red-hair sporadically found among mixed Mongoloid-Caucasoid peoples in certain areas of China today may be a consequence of mixing with the red-headed element that was obviously once common in the area.
Picture of red-haired blue-eyed Tocharian monk next to an East Asian monk from a Buddhist manuscript:
[url=http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wH7rPoLL1PcwnRwtxN9uKCvnaeeNlPs6ZFR-QLYDTZactB4VG6haMJxTdyI4Sa-mx4-i8o8B-1mOibap0sQbo7p3Mzg/tarimmonks.jpg]http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wH7rPoLL1Pcwn.../tarimmonks.jpg[/url]
Some elements of ancient Chinese technology like acupuncture are believed to have been brought to the country by Tocharians or some other Caucasoid people.
Mummies of blondes have been found in Kentucky and Tenesse:
[url=http://www.rense.com/general10/thatthemummy.htm]http://www.rense.com/general10/thatthemummy.htm[/url]
The extinct Mandan Indians were described by travellers as being light skinned, and some women were said to be blonde and blue eyed.
Ed Toner
2003-06-14 21:02 | User Profile
Using SYSTRAN, I submitted the first link for translation.
I got this:
In the division "journalism" are placed the serious articles and the books, which do not fall (because of the "journalistic writing") into the heading "science".
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-06-14 21:11 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Kurt@Jun 14 2003, 13:49 * ** From [url=http://www.marciaconner.com/redhair.html]Marcia's Red Hair Page[/url]:
"The highest percentage of natural redheads in the world is in Scotland (13%), followed closely by Ireland with 10%. In the US, about 2% of the population are natural redheads."
(I also heard once that it was the Norwegians.) **
That's intersting... Carleton Stevens Coon gives different data:
Irishmen:
"The hair color of the Irish is predominantly brown; black hair accounts for less than 3 per cent of the total, while the ashen series (Fischer #20-26) amounts to but one-half of one per cent. Forty per cent have dark brown hair (Fischer #4-5); 35 per cent have medium brown (Fischer #7-9); **reddish brown hues total over 5 per cent (closest to Fischer #6, #10), while clear reds (Fischer #1-3) run higher than 4 per cent. " **
Source: Coon, Carleton Stevens, The Races of Europe, Chapter X, Section 2, "Ireland."
Permian Finns:
"In head hair color however, a difference may be seen, for Maliev's series shows that but 2 per cent are black, 32 per cent dark brown, 29 per cent brown, 15 per cent light brown, and 7 per cent flaxen. Of the rest, 11 per cent are listed as reddish-brown. Chomiakov confirms this high incidence of rufosity, with 6 per cent of red hair color. Among Maliev's subjects only 15 per cent had black or brown beards; of the others 47 per cent were listed as red. These Votiaks, then, are not as blond as the Carelians, but blondism is frequent and characteristic; rufosity, notably absent from both the Carelian group and from the Iron Age Nordic race, and not important among the two tribes of Volga Finns, becomes a major factor among Permians."
Source: Coon, Carleton Stevens, The Races of Europe, Chapter IX, Section 9, "Racial Characteristics of the Easterns Finns."
Jews:
[url=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanraces/files/Music/On%20the%20Racial%20Characteristics%20of%20Modern%20Jews1.jpg]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanraces/f...ern%20Jews1.jpg[/url]
2600
2003-06-14 21:18 | User Profile
Prodigal, since you're apparently the resident expert on races, I've got a question for you....
How genetically close are Sicilians and other Southern Italians to Africans and Semites? How different are Northern and Southern Italians? I really don't know much in this regard, very curious. Thanks.
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-06-14 21:24 | User Profile
Originally posted by 2600@Jun 14 2003, 15:18 * *Prodigal, since you're apparently the resident expert on races, I've got a question for you....
How genetically close are Sicilians and other Southern Italians to Africans and Semites? **
Southern Italians are somewhat simmilar to Middle-Eastern Caucasoids phenotypically and genetically; however, they still fall within the European genetic cluster, and are not as much on the genetic periphery of Europe as the Greeks:
[url=http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/img/jewscluster.gif]http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/img/j...jewscluster.gif[/url] (I do not endorse the site that the image comes from)
**How different are Northern and Southern Italians? I really don't know much in this regard, very curious. **
Northern Italians cluster more with Asutrians, Swiss, Frenchmen and Southern Germans genetically, and are somewhat lighter pigemented than Southern Italians. Southern Italians cluster more with Spaniards and Greeks. You will notice that Italians are located about midway between Greeks and Germans on that graph of genetic clustering.
Southern Italians have some Caucasoid North African ancestry, but less than 1% Negroid ancestry. (probably even less than 0.5%) Northern Italians have some Mongoloid ancestry from the Lombards who interbred with Huns, but again, its insignificant.
If you're alluding to the stint I had on Racial Myths, then I again, apologize if I offended you or any other decent Southern Europeans out there. I do not hate Southern Europeans, I consider them my European kin. There is only two particular Southern Europeans that I strongly dislike-a Greek and a half-Swiss half Calabrian with an inferiority complex. I'll leave you to wonder regarding their respective identities.
Roy Batty
2003-06-14 22:33 | User Profile
Interesting info on the Finns and their red hair, Prodigal. I would have thought the Scots or Irish were at the head of the class when it came to red hair, based on my relatives, and what I saw while in Scotland and Ireland.
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-06-14 22:38 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Roy Batty@Jun 14 2003, 16:33 * ** Interesting info on the Finns and their red hair, Prodigal.ÃÂ I would have thought the Scots or Irish were at the head of the class when it came to red hair, based on my relatives, and what I saw while in Scotland and Ireland. **
Well, you have to keep in mind that Permian Finns are distinct from the Finns proper, racially and linguistically. Among the Finns that inhabit Finland, rufosity shows up in only 1 out of 250 individuals. They are however, the blondest people in the world, followed closely by their linguistic and genetic relatives Estonians and Vepses.
Russian anthropologists assign Permian Finns to the sub-Uralic anthropological group, but the origin of their rufosity has yet to be determined.
Would you say that this Permian girl is white?
[url=http://www.finugor.komiinform.ru/info/foto/f2_1.JPG]http://www.finugor.komiinform.ru/info/foto/f2_1.JPG[/url]
How many whites do you see here?
[url=http://www.finugor.komiinform.ru/info/foto/f2_5.JPG]http://www.finugor.komiinform.ru/info/foto/f2_5.JPG[/url]
Also, there is probably a strong red-haired element in the Russians of the Vyatka-Kama Basin are since they are to a large extent Russianized Permians.
Roy Batty
2003-06-14 22:51 | User Profile
Yeah, I'd consider the first girl "white". She actually reminds me of a "Russian" girl I knew in college.
The second picture is a good "mix". The two women at the far left, one sitting, one standing, have features that require further investigation. Hell, throw in the girl in the center of the back row. Seriously, the different "admixtures" at work are evident in the women's features. A hint of the Mongoloid "pie face" I see in many Chinese and Koreans shows through also. Fascinating stuff.
na Gaeil is gile
2003-06-16 13:16 | User Profile
Originally posted by Prodigal Son@Jun 14 2003, 14:00 * Then again, there are anthropometric differences between irish Protestants and Catholics, with the former being darker if i am not mistaken*
Canââ¬â¢t say as Iââ¬â¢ve noticed but many Irish surnames are based on colour. Such a comparison is more accurately a contrast between Scots and Irish.
jesuisfier
2003-06-16 13:35 | User Profile
Aussi, il y a beaucoup les belles roux en France! There are many beautiful red head ladies in France too!