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Thread ID: 7228 | Posts: 101 | Started: 2003-06-07

Tom Rennick [OP]

2003-06-07 20:46 | User Profile

Kevin Strom - Blind, Fool, or Just a Hypocrite?

Kevin Strom said:> "Part of White confusion about who we are is no doubt due to the omnipresent propaganda of the Jewish-controlled media ...."

Well - it's certainly reassuring to know that Mr. Strom has a good handle on "who we are". You see, I was starting to get a bit worried, what with all the sinister Jewish media making our fellow white nationalists look like a bunch of drunken, tattooed, Neo-Nazi, trailer park trash. Of course, as we all well know, no one involved in the National Alliance would ever look like the assorted scum pictured below, because if they did Mr. Strom himself - that connoisseur of fine art and gracious country living - would tell them to hit the road.

Now, isn't that right, Mr. Strom?

Er....Mr. Strom???

[SIZE=4][color=red]Mr. Strom!!!!![/color][/SIZE] [img]http://www.resistance.com/tattoos/tattoos.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.resistance.com/tattoos/back4.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.resistance.com/tattoos/Pictures%20022.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.resistance.com/tattoos/tats3.jpg[/img]

Finally, Mr. Strom's demented idea of "white pride" is perfectly illustrated in this last photograph - all of which were taken from a National Alliance OWNED website: [img]http://www.resistance.com/tattoos/Pictures%20003.JPG[/img]

Yes...yes...all Jewish propaganda indeed. I mean, who would ever think that the white nationalist movement could be its own worst enemy?

Perish the thought!

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-07 20:59 | User Profile

Originally posted by Tom Rennick@Jun 7 2003, 16:46 ** Of course, as we all well know, no one involved in the National Alliance would ever look like the assorted scum pictured below, because if they did Mr. Strom himself - that connoisseur of fine art and gracious country living - would tell them to hit the road. **

I knew these sorts of people existed, and yet to see it confirmed shocks and saddens me. I guess I'll never understand those people who mark up their bodies like that. I find nothing alluring or attractive about that at all, despite the fact that these people probably mouth a few of the same political positions as I do. I wish people like that would grow up and clean themselves up and grab a clue--they're the poster children for the media's propaganda. Of course the media is going to head right over to them upon identifying them and take as many pictures as they can to show Joe Sixpack on television.

Yet, these types seem to feed off the scorn they elicit from people, and bond together into a tiny, self-reinforcing sub-culture.

That picture in the middle is especially ironic, given that there is a Pepsi clock on the wall, and I'd assumed that these "warriors" would have removed that sort of crass commercial influence from their midst, much less be photographed with it in the background. That Pepsi clock only puts the finishing touches on a terrible spectacle.

Roger Bannister

2003-06-08 01:46 | User Profile

Originally posted by Tom Rennick@Jun 7 2003, 14:46 ** Kevin Strom - Blind, Fool, or Just a Hypocrite?

Kevin Strom said:> "Part of White confusion about who we are is no doubt due to the omnipresent propaganda of the Jewish-controlled media ...."

Now, isn't that right, Mr. Strom?

Er....Mr. Strom???

Yes...yes...all Jewish propaganda indeed. I mean, who would ever think that the white nationalist movement could be its own worst enemy?

Perish the thought! **

The guys in the pictures are the poster boys for ZOG propaganda when it comes to evil whites. Their tats wouldn't look any more outrageous than the tats of demons, suns, clowns and everthing else that cover the bodies of so many kids these days if it weren't for the constant demonizing of uncle Adolf and friends 365 days a year. Yep, they look ridiculous. I will say though, they don't appear to scared to speak their mind, or let their opinions known.

The whole tattoo craze is due to the glorifying of third world tribal behavior by jews, most of whom would pass out if given a tatoo the size of a nickel. But they encourage this behavior, and piercing and all kinds of other tribal crap in the hopes of primitivizing whites.

The misguided 'Nazis' also don't realize that those tats are used as identification by the police. If you are picked up, they will photograph all of your tats.

There are elements of white nationalism that need to be corrected, but trying to point the finger in the direction of tattooed skinheads in order to cover for the damage done by jews to this country is stretching it. Look at some of the 'allies' to the jewish cause. Some of that is beginning to blow up in their faces.

Did OD gain a new troll while I was away?

Ragnar

2003-06-08 02:03 | User Profile

The issue raised by the photos needs to get aired now and then.

A large number of "white power" folk get converted in jail. It's when they find out you are only as strong as your gang, and the Worldwide White Gang is full of traitors.

I wouldn't worry about it. Blacks don't worry about OJ and the Carr brothers, Jews don't feel bad about all their porn stars, why should whites get weepy about a few tattood ex-cons?

Kurt

2003-06-08 02:06 | User Profile

Did OD gain a new troll while I was away?

Yep, that's what he is. And those are actually pix of some of the fine young men who raped Tommy boy while he was in prison for possession, and distribution of kiddie porn. :lol:

Sorry "Tom", but the jig is up. We're wise to the old "divide and conquer" shtik that you Jews love to use. You'll just have to go back to the ADL, and tell Abe you failed in your mission to infiltrate OD. :crybaby: Oh well, he still has Freerepublic.

Roger Bannister

2003-06-08 02:15 | User Profile

That's what I thought Kurt.

I like the Eraserhead avatar by the way.

madrussian

2003-06-08 02:20 | User Profile

Tom doesn't pass my troll-o-meter as well. Why would anyone claiming to be pro-white spend so much time implying that whoever disagrees with him is similar to those tattooed guys? Stinks of gefilte fish. :thd:

Kurt

2003-06-08 02:25 | User Profile

Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Jun 7 2003, 20:15 ** That's what I thought Kurt.

I like the Eraserhead avatar by the way. **

danke, RB. I also like your Sammy avatar. :lol:

Okiereddust

2003-06-08 02:38 | User Profile

Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Jun 8 2003, 01:46 **The guys in the pictures are the poster boys for ZOG propaganda when it comes to evil whites. Their tats wouldn't look any more outrageous than the tats of demons, suns, clowns and everthing else that cover the bodies of so many kids these days if it weren't for the constant demonizing of uncle Adolf and friends 365 days a year. Yep, they look ridiculous. I will say though, they don't appear to scared to speak their mind, or let their opinions known.

The misguided 'Nazis' also don't realize that those tats are used as identification by the police. If you are picked up, they will photograph all of your tats.

Did OD gain a new troll while I was away?**

If these guys are poster boys for our enemies, why is Tom a troll for pointing it out.

Sounds like we're getting the "shoot the messenger" syndrome here.

Franco

2003-06-08 03:15 | User Profile

I question why Tom Rennick trots this "tattooed-Nazi" stuff out.

We all know that some neo-Nazis have tattoos and bad manners. What is the point? Is there a point here, Tommy?

Kurt

2003-06-08 03:35 | User Profile

Originally posted by Okiereddust@Jun 7 2003, 20:38 ** Sounds like we're getting the "shoot the messenger" syndrome here. **

More like a case of "naming the jew agent provocateur" syndrome. :D

Tom Rennick

2003-06-08 05:13 | User Profile

Stormfront Maneuver #369: If All Else Fails, Call Your Opponent a Jew

How often I heard that accusation made on Stormfront, whenever one poster didn't like hearing legitimate criticism of white nationalism from another: "Why - why - You're a (sputter, blather, hiss, sputter) [SIZE=3]Jew!![/SIZE]**

Well, excuse me for chuckling, but how predictable.

Really, I'm hurt. Now I won't be able to attend my son's Bar Mitzvah because I'm all broken up. After that, I'll be forced to close my little cubby hole at the local office of the ADL and then request a transfer to Tel Aviv. Oh, the pain - the pain!

Okay, joke's over.

Listen up, because you're all about to receive a reality check. Here it is: Nazi skinheads are scum. Nazi skinheads are filth. Nazi skinheads are the human sewage clogging up the free flow of progress in the pipeline of white nationalism. And only the Drano of common sense will unclog that pipeline.

Roger Bannister said:

"There are elements of white nationalism that need to be corrected, but trying to point the finger in the direction of tattooed skinheads in order to cover for the damage done by jews to this country is stretching it."

Roger: Those "elements" you speak of absolutely infest the white nationalist movement, and are the numero uno weapon the media uses to demonize white nationalists as a whole. Avaricious fools like Kevin Strom and Erich Gliebe, who pander to Nazi skinheads in order to skim big bucks off them, have provided our enemies with the very means to destroy our movement in the eyes of John & Jane Doe, middle class white Americans.

Sorry, but anybody who attempts to defend Nazi skinheads as a legitimate need in the white nationalist movement is either a skinhead or an idiot or both. Even Dr. William Pierce, founder of the National Alliance, thought Nazi skinheads were "freaks and weaklings". Unfortunately, morons like Billy Roper of White Revolution, Tom Metzger of W.A.R., and others continue to drive nail after nail after nail into the coffin of white nationalism.

Ragnar said:

"I wouldn't worry about it. Blacks don't worry about OJ and the Carr brothers, Jews don't feel bad about all their porn stars, why should whites get weepy about a few tattood ex-cons?"

Tell me, Ragnar: do the goons in this sea of Nazi skinheads look to you like just "a few tattooed cons"? [img]http://serveriii.citizensagainsthate.net/albums/album23/hfest4.jpg[/img]

Kurt said:

"Sorry "Tom", but the jig is up. We're wise to the old "divide and conquer" shtik that you Jews love to use. You'll just have to go back to the ADL, and tell Abe you failed in your mission to infiltrate OD."

Kurt: If only it were that simple. If only I were a Jew - then you and your fellow VNN lemmings could go on DENYING the reality that I'm slamming between your eyes harder than the brick that negro thug slammed into Reginald Denny's head. The reality is this: by the year 2050 whites are predicted to fall below 50% of the US population. We whites don't have the time to waste on goofball Nazi skinheads like you - just so you can prance around in public showing off your greasy tattoos. You and your kind are worthless scum, and every serious white nationalist knows this, but has for too long been afraid to say it. Dr. William Pierce knew it - but also knew he would have lost much of his support if he'd pushed it. And you can bet you last "88" that Kevin Strom knows it too - but is too much of a coward to openly denounce the legions of skinheads that keep the National Alliance financially afloat - via sells of Resistance Records hatecore CDs.

Madrussian said:

"Tom doesn't pass my troll-o-meter as well. Why would anyone claiming to be pro-white spend so much time implying that whoever disagrees with him is similar to those tattooed guys? Stinks of gefilte fish.

Madrussian: Put another battery in your troll-o-meter because yours isn't working. If it was, you wouldn't be doing the "he's a Jew!" routine. I mean, it's so old. Jesus H. Christ, man, vaudeville acts like yours went out of fashion decades ago.

Okiereddust said:

"If these guys are poster boys for our enemies, why is Tom a troll for pointing it out."

Because it's always the same old song & dance with the He's-a-Jew crowd, Okie. I mean, anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that Nazi skinheads have absolutely nothing positive to offer the cause of white nationalism. But you can't tell that to the Net-Nazis over at Stormfront (or here for that matter) because when you do they always give you the same tired, run-down, anemic, dragging-their-ass-in-the-mud retort: "Hey, man, just wait until you're surrounded by ARA or fu*king Jews and then you'll be glad to have those Nazi skinheads at your side!"

What these Net-Nazis fail to realize is that one needn't be a shaved-headed, swastika-tattooed goon in order to defend oneself in a hostile situation. Besides, any white nationalist who'd hesitate to march in a legitmate white nationalist rally without the "protection" of Neo-Nazi skinheads is a worthless coward anyway.

So go on - keep calling anyone who speaks the truth about Neo-Nazi skinheads "a Jew provacateur" if it helps you maintain your Net-Nazi fantasies about white nationalism.

Tom

madrussian

2003-06-08 05:16 | User Profile

Another notzhid :lol:

Kurt

2003-06-08 05:30 | User Profile

Kurt: If only it were that simple. If only I were a Jew - then you and your fellow VNN lemmings could go on DENYING the reality that I'm slamming between your eyes harder than the brick that negro thug slammed into Reginald Denny's head. The reality is this: by the year 2050 whites are predicted to fall below 50% of the US population. We whites don't have the time to waste on goofball Nazi skinheads like you - just so you can prance around in public showing off your greasy tattoos. You and your kind are worthless scum, and every serious white nationalist knows this, but has for too long been afraid to say it. Dr. William Pierce knew it - but also knew he would have lost much of his support if he'd pushed it. And you can bet you last "88" that Kevin Strom knows it too - but is too much of a coward to openly denounce the legions of skinheads that keep the National Alliance financially afloat - via sells of Resistance Records hatecore CDs.

I don't have any "greasy tattoos", or own any Resistance Records CDs, you stupid elitist fck. Now go shove your copy of Atlas Shrugged* up your ass (oh wait you'd probably luv that) and go to back to the ADL, or wherever it is you came from.

I don't even know, or care if you're a jew just go away!

Tom Rennick

2003-06-08 05:41 | User Profile

Kurt said: > "Now go shove your copy of Atlas Shrugged up your ass..." Hmmm....Think It'll Fit....? [img]http://www.booksamillion.com/bam/covers/0/45/119/114/0451191145.jpg[/img]

Kurt

2003-06-08 06:35 | User Profile

Originally posted by Tom Rennick@Jun 7 2003, 23:41 ** Hmmm....Think It'll Fit....? [img]http://www.booksamillion.com/bam/covers/0/45/119/114/0451191145.jpg[/img] **

Well, after all the sodomy your sorry ass has been through in prison, I'm sure it would fit...along with the entire EncyclopÃÂ¦dia Britannica. :lol:

Btw, I use the pages of Alissa Rosenbaum's works as toilet paper. That's about all they're good for. :dung:

Ragnar

2003-06-08 06:50 | User Profile

[url=http://www.beyondthishorizon.com/]Tom's website[/url] shows some promise, guys.

Besides, tattoos can't bug him forever. :lol:

Franco

2003-06-08 07:47 | User Profile

Gee, well, seens how none of Tom's links mention the JudenRodent in any serious way, and mentions only Black peepo, I am kinda suspicious...but hey, dat's jus' me.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kurt

2003-06-08 07:59 | User Profile

Be careful, Franco, or Tom R. will call you a greasy-tattoo wearing, Resistance Record-listening neo-Nazi. People like you will never meet the approval of the jews, and are therefore a threat to White Nationalism. :lol:

Texas Dissident

2003-06-08 08:14 | User Profile

Originally posted by Kurt@Jun 8 2003, 00:30 ** I don't have any "greasy tattoos", or own any Resistance Records CDs, you stupid elitist fck. Now go shove your copy of Atlas Shrugged* up your ass (oh wait you'd probably luv that) and go to back to the ADL, or wherever it is you came from.

I don't even know, or care if you're a jew just go away! **

I think you may need to go take a breather, Kurt. There's no call for this kind of crap here.

Texas Dissident

2003-06-08 08:40 | User Profile

Originally posted by madrussian@Jun 7 2003, 21:20 ** Tom doesn't pass my troll-o-meter as well. Why would anyone claiming to be pro-white spend so much time implying that whoever disagrees with him is similar to those tattooed guys? Stinks of gefilte fish. :thd: **

I don't read where he is implying anything of the sort, MR. I believe his clear point is that unless 'white nationalism' distances itself from these sort of gentlemen then the 'white nationalist' movement is doomed to failure. This is a basic point that he and numerous others on this board have made rather consistently. I am curious as to why your troll-o-meter is going off, unless you know something I do not.

I am not a white nationalist so I really cannot offer any real constructive comments here. But I can say that the same current of debate can be seen in any movement i.e. extremists vs. moderates.

madrussian

2003-06-08 16:01 | User Profile

I found the way that guy barged in with his pictures tasteless and obsessive.

I am not a WN either but I find that the idea that something is failing because there are extremists (and there are always extremists, or some people who nominally have a similar opinion on a narrowly-defined object who happen to be extremists) and not for all other reasons is ludicrous. Some of the extremists are lowlifes, and some may be there due to their harsh life experiences, and some may be because this extreme form is the only thing they found that wasn't the official dogma.

madrussian

2003-06-08 16:07 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jun 8 2003, 01:14 ** I think you may need to go take a breather, Kurt. There's no call for this kind of crap here. **

This kind of response is justified, given the other guy's provocation. I have the same words for that obsessive poster, calling others "goofballs Nazi skinheads" etc.

Tom Rennick

2003-06-08 16:32 | User Profile

Texas Dissident said: > "I believe his clear point is that unless 'white nationalism' distances itself from these sort of gentlemen then the 'white nationalist' movement is doomed to failure. "

You're correct, TD. I'm not here as "a Jew" (I'm not Jewish) and I'm not here because I have any "secret agenda" to harm the cause of white nationalism. On the contrary, I'm here because I'm a white American who doesn't wish to see my country turned into Mexican territory in my lifetime - as is steadily happening even as we speak.

As a father of two children, I have a stake in seeing that we turn back that advancing brown tide - if at all possible. Unfortunately, no Republican or Democrat I see on the horizon is likely to do that. Pat Buchanan once had some promise, but after he chose a black woman by the name of Ezola Foster for his running mate, I wrote him off too. Even David Duke once had some promise, years ago, but his involvement with the KKK effectively ended his career in mainstream politics. Now he'll be nothing but an ex-con when he's finally released from prison - and not a "hero" as so many misguided lemmings in the white nationalist movement like to delude themselves into believing.

So, who's left for us?

Right now - nobody. So all we can do is build the white nationalist movement. We need numbers right now, and the only way to get those all important numbers is to make the white nationalist movement something that all the white dads and moms of America would not be ashamed to join. But when greed-driven organizations like The National Alliance are making money hand over fist pandering to Neo-Nazi skinheads while at the same time showcasing the kind of sub-human garbage you see below in their pointless rallys, we as a political movement are going NOWHERE:
[img]http://www.resistance.com/tattoos/tattoos.JPG[/img] Now, please do this: compare the photo of the Neo-Nazi skinhead above with the following photo of liberal, anti-racist protestors: [img]http://serveriii.citizensagainsthate.net/albums/album16/01_11_03_Lewiston_ME_05.jpg[/img] Honestly now - of the skinhead above and the huge crowd of anti-racist protestors below, which of the two appear more NORMAL? Which of the two look more like the America we white nationalists profess we want to save? Sadly, our enemies very often look more decent than those paraded in white nationalist parades - and that's why we're losing the all-important battle for public opinion.

My aim is to change that. Not by frothing at the mouth about "Jews" - which accomplishes absolutely nothing - but by spotlighting our movements many tactical errors and correcting them. We as a political force need to come off as better in appearance than our enemies - not as laughable freaks like the skinhead above.

But whenever any white nationalist dares to point that out - he's attacked as "a Jew". That's why we're losing this war. And we will go on losing it until the white nationalist movement totally purges ALL Nazi influences, ALL Ku Klux Klan influences, and ALL skinhead influences.

That is my aim - to propel white nationalism forward, by cleansing these counter-productive elements from our cause once and for all.

Tom

Campion Moore Boru

2003-06-08 16:39 | User Profile

Kust and others:

What do you think would've happened to these tatooed folk in Opa's Deutschland? How do you thin they would be viewed there?

Tom Rennick

2003-06-08 16:51 | User Profile

Madrussian said:

"I am not a WN either..."

That's painfully evident. It's also painfully evident that you're commenting on a subject of which you no next to nothing about. If that wasn't the case, you'd know that Neo-Nazi skinheads are not a minor aspect of white nationalist organizations, but a major force within them. Just visit the National Alliance's other website, Resistance Records, and see for yourself who the lion's share of their products are directed at - Neo-Nazi skinheads. The now-defunct World Church of the Creator - once touted in the news media "as the fastest growing hate group in America" was also HEAVILY infested with Neo-Nazi skinheads. Same for Tom Metzger's W.A.R. Same for many European white nationalist organizations. That's the reality, Madrussian.

Madrussian went on to say:

"Some of the extremists are lowlifes, and some may be there due to their harsh life experiences, and some may be because this extreme form is the only thing they found that wasn't the official dogma."

None of [u]that[/u] excuses [SIZE=3][color=red]THIS:[/color][/SIZE]

[img]http://www.resistance.com/tattoos/tattoos.JPG[/img]

Or[SIZE=3][color=red]THIS[/color][/SIZE]

[img]http://serveriii.citizensagainsthate.net/albums/events/05_G.jpg[/img]

madrussian

2003-06-08 17:11 | User Profile

Yeah, and the regular folks are such sheeple because of the Hollywood nazis. While "distancing" may be an issue, you blow it way out of the proportions as a sole problem. I am not WN, but I don't have to wear a formal label, because I am not brainwashed by American public schools, and the daily dose of brainwashing doesn't work on me. It may be called WN in the US, to the rest of the world it's just natural self-awareness every other nation possesses to some degree.

You say that there are lots of "Hollywood nazis" among WNs. To me that indicates there is a problem with the society. Until it's remedied, you won't have the numbers, no matter how you distance yourself from the freaks.

Ragnar

2003-06-08 17:57 | User Profile

Originally posted by madrussian@Jun 8 2003, 17:11 ** Yeah, and the regular folks are such sheeple because of the Hollywood nazis. While "distancing" may be an issue, you blow it way out of the proportions as a sole problem. **

I'm thinking Tom is blowing the skins out of proportion on purpose as a strategy to bring "normal white folk" into an activist movement. I could be wrong but that appears to be the unstated assumption of his website.

If so, hey, good job, Tom. I mean anything that gets the sheep to AWAKE MODE is good.

It's also been pointed out on this forum (many times) that some conservatives make good entry-level WN propaganda. Many people used to start by reading Charly Reese or Sam Francis, then move on to more explicitly race conscious material. Tom's strategy might be seen in this light.

Whatever works, gang. Still too many sleeping palefaces to get in squabbles over tactics.

Uncle John

2003-06-08 18:04 | User Profile

Ragnar said: Whatever works, gang. Still too many sleeping palefaces to get in squabbles over tactics.

"There are many roads to the Jade Gate."

"Let a hundred flowers bloom. Let a hundred schools of thought contend."

:th: :th: :th:

madrussian

2003-06-08 19:22 | User Profile

Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 8 2003, 10:57 ** I'm thinking Tom is blowing the skins out of proportion on purpose as a strategy to bring "normal white folk" into an activist movement. I could be wrong but that appears to be the unstated assumption of his website. **

And if it works we should see:

Catholic Church listing reasons why it's been failing and denouncing child-molesting priests as a solution of all its problems

Jews denouncing their Talmud and announcing that Jews were (sometimes) wrong

etc. etc.

It's all inverting cause and effect. Using hyperbola, if there are only freaks that WNs have to show in their movement, that's not the cause why whites in the US have failed, but the effect. You aren't curing the cause by denouncing the effect. And it's not reducing squabble but only serves as a distraction and is phantom chasing. This gimmick may work, who knows, but Tom seems to believe it's more than just a gimmick but some kind of revelation.

And the site sucks technically and doesn't show correctly even on IE.

Kurt

2003-06-08 19:42 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jun 8 2003, 02:14 I think you may need to go take a breather, Kurt. There's no call for this kind of crap here.

Sorry, TD. I guess I lost my temper :hit: . I just take offense at what I perceive to be his elitist attitude, and his trouble "naming the Jew." In fact, he seems to accept Jews as White. He's probably a "Taylorite", you know, a disciple of Mr. Jared "Jews Are White, Too" Taylor, of [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=27&t=8178&hl=renaissance]American Renaissance[/url]. Taylor says AR [url=http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/vnn/showEssay.asp?essayID=1323]welcomes Jews as White[/url]. :huh: I wonder how that came about...

"Well Jared, either you let us in, or we'll use the ADL, the ACLU, and our friends in the IRS and the Justice Department, to destroy you! So whaddya say, are we in? Good goy...I mean, boy! Oh, and by the way, I think we're going to have to make a few other changes around here. I mean, as you know, there's a lot of, how can I put this, 'poor white trash' out there. We really don't want them stinkin' up [u]our[/u] movement, you follow me? At the same time, there are many people-of-color...I mean [u]minorities[/u] out there, intelligent minorities, that would be a great asset to the WN movement. Asians, Blacks, Browns etc. Think of it! A multiracial, multicultural elite, headed by Jews..I mean, by [u]us[/u], of course! [u]This[/u] is the future of the WN movement! Now be a good goy, and pour me a glass of Manischewitz."

Nice going, Jared "Shabbos Goy" Taylor. The jew is like a virus. Once you let him infect you, it's all over.

[img]http://www.bet.com/images/bigbarker/jared_taylor_bb.jpg[/img]

"Hi, I'm Jared Taylor, founder of [url=http://www.amren.com/]American Renaissance[/url], the voice of the pro-White movement. As you may be aware, AR has decided to accept Jews as White. Now hold on, let me explain. Jews are some of the most intelligent people on Earth, and I think they'd be a great asset to the White Nationalist movement. Let's face it, for all intents and purposes, Jews are White, right? I mean, in many cases, you wouldn't even be able to tell if a person was Jewish, if it wasn't for [url=http://www.jewhoo.com/]Jewhoo[/url]. So, I want you to write this down: from henceforth, Jews are White, and anyone who says they're not, is an evil, low-IQ, po' white trash, greasy tattooed, neo-Nazi skinhead, and has no place in our movement. So, now that we have that out of the way, I'd like to discuss another issue with you. The way I see it, 'White' is really just a state-of-mind; a behavior, if you will. I mean, there are many so-called non-Whites that are more 'White' than many so-called Whites! You're aware of this, I'm sure. Also, some non-Whites, particularly Asians, have higher IQs than Whites. I have also met many Blacks, and Mestizos, with very high-intellects. I have to level with you, I've always been more concerned with IQ than race, anyway; IQ is the true measure of a man, imo. My ideal society would be one run by a high-IQ, multiracial, multicultural elite. And be honest, what would you rather do: sip port, and discuss the works of Ayn Rand with Walter Williams, in a drawing room in the Hamptons; or drink Old Milwaukee, and watch the WWF with some Italian-American plumber in a finished basement in Queens? I think I've made my point. Well, that's about it, for now. Until next time, this has been Jared Taylor, reminding you that Jews are White, and wishing you White Power and Mazel Tov!"

Ragnar

2003-06-08 19:46 | User Profile

Originally posted by madrussian@Jun 8 2003, 19:22 ** You aren't curing the cause by denouncing the effect. And it's not reducing squabble but only serves as a distraction and is phantom chasing. This gimmick may work, who knows, but Tom seems to believe it's more than just a gimmick but some kind of revelation.

Any strategy has risks. But the average Euro-American is just so apathetic and/or scared on this issue I just think any attempt is better than none. When one of my best friends told me he thought the VDARE website was "racist," I realized just how cowed most of the white population is.

Maybe Tom posts here to hash out his ideas, which would make sense. Get feedback and maybe refine his position. It is a new site, or have we just not seen it before?

madrussian

2003-06-08 20:16 | User Profile

Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 8 2003, 12:46 When one of my best friends told me he thought the VDARE website was "racist," I realized just how cowed most of the white population is.

To solve that, they only need to declare that they aren't racist and anti-semitic and denounce neo-nazis as part of their platform :lol:

By the way, does Tom say on his web-site that he's not racist?

seq

2003-06-08 20:29 | User Profile

[img]http://citizensagainsthate.net/albums/events/05_G.jpg[/img] This picture, which looks like an ARA parody to me, was taken from this site:

[url=http://www.citizensagainsthate.com/home/index.php]http://www.citizensagainsthate.com/home/index.php[/url]

Some of their links:

[url=http://splcenter.org/]http://splcenter.org/[/url] [url=http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/]http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/[/url] [url=http://www.thefamilyflagproject.org/]http://www.thefamilyflagproject.org/[/url] [url=http://www.evnetwork.net/]http://www.evnetwork.net/[/url] [url=http://tolerance.org/]http://tolerance.org/[/url]

madrussian

2003-06-08 20:36 | User Profile

Originally posted by seq@Jun 8 2003, 13:29 **This picture, which looks like an ARA parody to me, was taken from this site:

[url=http://www.citizensagainsthate.com/home/index.php]http://www.citizensagainsthate.com/home/index.php[/url]

Some of their links:

Good find. In saying that the current WNs are little more than Hollywood nazis Tom is on the same page as the organizations you listed. That, and Tom's Jew-friendlyness raise red flags.

TD, is there a hook-nose avatar, to complete the gallery of characters? We have :afro: , :hit: , :cowboy: , :dung:, where is the hook-nose? :naughty:

Franco

2003-06-08 20:37 | User Profile

Ok, as someone who is a White Nationalist, I want to ask Tom Rennick a question:

You say, on your website, that the resurfacing of Klan and Nazi groups is a bad thing [more or less], and that Jared Taylor is a true Euro-American activist who is being undermined by said Klan/Nazis.

Now, here is my question: how can either Taylor, or your website, be 'White activist' when neither MENTIONS THE JEW AS THE ROOT OF OUR PROBLEM? Please be clear in your answer, not vague.

For example, Jews created the NAACP [see the WSI website, below, category Jews/Israel>NAACP or see here: [url=http://cptwc.matriots.com/JewsInNAACP.html]http://cptwc.matriots.com/JewsInNAACP.html[/url]].

And Jews created all "hate-crime" laws. Yet you and Taylor say nothing about Jews, or very little.

Anyone who does not name the Jewish TAPROOT of the assault on the West is very suspect. That's the way it is.

[edited]

Tom Rennick

2003-06-08 20:51 | User Profile

Kurt said:

"I just take offense at what I perceive to be his elitist attitude, and his trouble "naming the Jew." In fact, he seems to accept Jews as White."

Kurt: You seem to have a problem with "elites". A white racist is, by definition, an "elitist". A white racist sees his race as superior - at least in some ways - to either mongoloids or negroids. I know that I do. Now, if you don't, then congratulate yourself on being a racial egalitarian.

I am not.

And yes, I also do not view all white nationalists as "equal". In my lexicon, the very idea of "equality" is and always will be evil - whenever it's applied to human beings or to races. Furthermore, some of us are meant to rule by virtue of our intelligence and our abilities - whiles others are meant to be guided. That is the dichotomy all societies rest upon - the leaders and the lead.

Regarding Jews: Are they white? Are they non-white? It all depends on how you define "white". Now, from an anthropological standpoint, Jews are a Semetic but nevertheless Caucasoid people - just like Arabs and other Middle Eastern peoples.

Now, from a European standpoint, Jews would not be considered "white" - since they did not originate within the parameters we call "Europe". Even so, many of the original Jewish immigrants to Europe did interbreed with Europeans, producing some Jews who look more white than either you or I, I'm sure. Are they to be considered "white"? I know you and those who worship the mantra of VNN would say "no" - and that is your privelege. What I do find confusing among some white nationalists, however, is their frequent willingness to accept a white individual who is 1/8 to 1/16 native American Indian - while at the same time rejecting a white man who is 1/8 to 1/16 Jewish.

Is this rational?

Let's examine this equation for a moment:

White Individual A:

7/8 European racial heritage - "white race" 1/8 native American Indian ----"mongoloid race"

White Individual B:

7/8 European racial heritage - "white race" 1/8 Jewish/Semetic heritage -- "white race" (from an anthropological, scientific standpoint)

Okay - now some of you would say that neither of these individuals should be considered "white". But consider this: many Stormfront forum members DO accept those whites who claim 1/8 native American Indian as still qualified whites - even though, from a racial standpoint - they are partly of the same race as Chinese, Cambodians, and Hmongs.

But an individual who claims 1/8 Jew is almost always condemned as "not white", even though from a scientific standpoint, he is actually MORE white than an individual who claims 1/8 native American Indian.

Why?

But, let's not mince words here - do I consider Jews to be white? In some cases, the answer is yes - just as I would consider a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned woman as white - even if it was proven that she was 1/8 native American Indian.

Now, if you force me to post pictures of blond-haired, Nordic-looking Jews on this site, I will do so. At the same time, I will post them next to photographs of individuals who claim to be (and are accepted as) white nationalists. Trust me when I say I can find Jews far more "Aryan" looking than at least some professed white nationalists. Now, a word to your Stormfronters: If you are familiar with "Muad Dib" - Stormfront moderator - I have a photograph of him. What does he look like to me?

A Jew.

Go figure.

Tom

Franco

2003-06-08 20:58 | User Profile

Jews are NEVER White.

"Jewish" is its own race. Most Jews are Ashkenazim -- a hybrid race of Arab/Armenid. A person who is half-Arab/half-Armenid is NEVER White. White means Aryan, from a White European country [including Italy, Greece and Spain].

Jewish is, again, "its own race." NOT White.

[edited]

Franco

2003-06-08 21:01 | User Profile

Jews as a race:

[url=http://cptwc.matriots.com/jews45.html]http://cptwc.matriots.com/jews45.html[/url]

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-08 21:07 | User Profile

Originally posted by Tom Rennick@Jun 8 2003, 16:51 **Regarding Jews: Are they white? Are they non-white? It all depends on how you define "white". Now, from an anthropological standpoint, Jews are a Semetic but nevertheless Caucasoid people - just like Arabs and other Middle Eastern peoples.

Is this rational?

Let's examine this equation for a moment:

White Individual A:

7/8 European racial heritage - "white race" 1/8 native American Indian ----"mongoloid race"

White Individual B:

7/8 European racial heritage - "white race" 1/8 Jewish/Semetic heritage -- "white race" (from an anthropological, scientific standpoint)

Why?

A Jew.

Go figure.

Tom**

Tom could benefit from the works of Kevin MacDonald, as well as this essay, for starters:

"Hello, I Am A Jew"

by J. R. Colson

Loaded: 12/31/02

Hello.

Allow me to introduce myself.

I am a Jew.

You have probably seen me at your local supermarket, or maybe at a local restaurant.

Indeed, our paths have crossed many times.

When you saw me, I did not, of course, seem any different from you, or your friends.

After all, I have white skin. I wear clothes similar to yours; I even drive a car similar to yours.

I have a wife, who probably looks similar to your wife, and a couple of kids, who probably look almost like your kids. I even belong to the Lion's Club, just like you do.

I even took up that low-brow, all-American pastime known as bowling, to further blend into your culture, although I do find it a little too unintellectual; see, we Jews have always put a premium on brains over brawn, on intellect over stupidity; most of the people that I bowl with are mental midgets, but I dare not say that aloud.

Yes, I realize that my people used to look very 'foreign'; we were kind of dark and Turkish-looking, but no longer. Years of living in Europe and America has lightened our skin remarkably. We now look 'White.'

Indeed, you and I could even appear, to a stranger, to be related. That is how alike we appear to be.

But, you should know that I am different. Very different. In fact, if you knew just how different, you would be truly shocked.

My very unusual history, which is unlike the history of any other people on earth, makes me different. I can't physically deny this history, even if I wanted to. It is part of me -- in my genes, religion, and culture.

To relieve my temporary boredom, and to amuse myself as well, I am now going to let you in on a few of the reasons we Jews are so different from you gentiles, even though we appear to be so much alike.

It is important for you, as a non-Jew, to realize this critical fact about us: our people bred and mixed only among themselves for hundreds and hundreds of years. While other peoples interbred and mixed with many tribes who were different from themselves, we Jews did not. Modern DNA evidence shows this very clearly.

You must also realize that my people were kicked out of every country on earth as well. Over and over again. For centuries. Endlessly. To the point of it being a common occurence. No other group of people has experienced eviction on such a large and continuing scale. Ever.

Further, we Jews were also directly oppressed, as a people, for centuries, because our beliefs held that we were superior to all other people on earth. We believed it then, and we believe it now (but we do not say this publicly, and we have even altered our religious tracts and documents to hide this fact; further, we very strongly deny this if someone mentions it).

Curiously, in a very Darwinian sense, that endless oppression actually helped us. It forced us to become much more cohesive, much more forward-thinking and much cleverer than the gentiles we lived among. We had to in order to survive -- to help ensure that we were not evicted yet again. We also had to learn how to lie at the drop of a hat about anything we might be asked, in order to prevent still more oppression, and those centuries of automatic lying actually became, in a sense, genetically ingrained. Today we continue to lie about Jewish activity without really thinking about it; it seems automatic in many ways.

We also became experts at preventing 'anti-Semitism' in the dominant culture by engaging in very specific forms of activity, such as entering vocations that let us better control the host culture -- newspaper and book publishing, for instance. This activity allows us to control what information is consumed by the gentile masses. It allows us to decide which ideas the masses will hold in their heads. Great power, that.

Why do you think that the 'official newspaper of record' in America, the New York Times, has been Jewish for many, many years? It wasn't just a happy accident! And most other major newspapers get their articles directly from the New York Times, if they are not already heavily Jewish! Figure it out. (Ditto Life magazine, Time magazine, Newsweek magazine, etc. They are all heavily 'kosher' as well).

Now, I know what you are probably thinking.

You have been told many times that 'Jewish' is only a religion. (I always laugh when I hear this, but not aloud when in mixed company).

What you probably do not know is that we have worked very hard to get the term 'Jewish' reclassified as a religion only, no longer as a race, on various official Government forms and documents. And we have been very successful. Few people today know that we are a race as well as a religion.

And this ignorance works greatly to our advantage.

You see, for years, many gentiles (non-Jews) insisted that Jews acted alike, and engaged in certain behaviors and activities destructive to their gentile host nations. Which was indeed true.

But then, a man named Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany. You know the story about that; I do not need to repeat the details.

However, I will admit that Hitler was unique. Sure, many leaders before him, like Napoleon, and also various Russian leaders as well, tried to grasp and deal with the centuries-old 'Jewish Question'; they also knew that Jews are very big trouble indeed. But none of them went all out to solve the problem for good. The real amazing part, known by very few people, is that the Nazis designed Nazism after Judaism. In other words, they used Judaism as a model. They were intrigued by the idea of a people breeding and mixing only among themselves for centuries (to preserve their genotype) and existing in the same cultural mode for 1,000 years or more. No other people had done this so exclusively and successfully as the Jews.

At any rate, Hitler was one of the greatest threats to Judaism that we, as a people, ever encountered. We actually faced near-total extinction as an ethnic group.

We had to make sure that a Nazi-type movement could NEVER happen again. Ever.

So, we started a calculated effort to make the gentile public believe that 'Jewish' was only a religion. And, slowly, we succeeded. Marvelously so. Beyond even our own expectations.

Today, any non-Jew who calls Jews a 'race' is automatically labeled a 'Nazi.' This discredits ANYTHING that non-Jew says, no matter if his political or racial viewpoints are correct or not.

Clever, isnÃÂ¹t it?

We also prevent the chances of any Nazi or anti-Jewish movement happening again by dominating many key areas of your gentile/Christian culture, such as the media, Hollywood, banking/finance, book publishing, and magazine publishing.

We use this control of large areas of American culture to our own ends, of course; to push any ideas that we see fit, and to block out any ideas we don't agree with (the criticism of Jews, any overt Christian religious themes, or traditional patriotic symbolism are three good examples of things we censor, alter or water down before they reach the general public).

We are also very anti-gun as well; we do not want millions of non-Jews, who could later rise up and oppress us, to privately own firearms. We consider that a very big threat. That is why the people leading the anti-gun crusade in the U. S. Congress (Charles Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, etc.) are all Jewish by ethnicity. It is not an accident.

Is all of this a plot, you ask? A conspiracy, as some say? Do we Jews meet in dark, smoke-filled rooms to discuss how 'the plan' is coming along?

Nope. We do not have to.

We do it automatically. This habit is inborn, the result of being oppressed for hundreds of years, in many different countries, over and over and over again.

Really, you must understand that our mental make-up is different from yours (although you would not know it from talking to us). It is actually far superior to yours in many ways, and modern I. Q. tests prove this very well. Jews routinely score 1 standard deviation higher than a gentile, which is a significant difference -- as wide a gap as that between black and White.

This is why, when you look in your telephone book under 'Attorneys,' half the names are Jewish (Goldberg, Weinstein, Tannenbaum, Horwitz), even though we make up JUST 2.4% (two point four percent) of the U. S. population, a very tiny number. Impressive, isn't it?

Ditto the fields of medicine and science. We dominate those areas, too. Again, our numbers are very small, but we dominate you in every field of importance. (This is why no one ever criticizes us in public! In private, yes, but not in public!)

You see, we Jews naturally rise to the top (we're funny that way). We naturally become the CEOs, the chairmen, the V. P.s. We are on all the boards of all the foundations and charities and corporations and associations (this is also why you rarely hear anyone criticize us!)

Yes, if you gentiles only understood that when you let us out of the ghettos and allowed us to become 'equal citizens' just after the French Revolution you were signing your own death warrant. When you got rid of most of the laws preventing Jews from entering certain vocations and occupations, you were really unleashing a unique people that would soon run rings around you; and use its new freedom to destroy many of your beloved institutions.

We had to, by default. We, as a people, have a massive superiority complex, and we are generally smarter than you as well. What else would we do but dominate you, a people we consider to be inferior, barbaric and often drunk -- a people with low intellect and drive, a people we consider to be morally inferior to us, 'the Chosen'?

Did you ever happen to notice that most of the sociopolitical movements that we Jews started (Communism, feminism, egalitarianism, student radicalism) are 'alienating' movements, designed to pit one segment of society against another, making them fight it out? Did you notice that? Hmmm?

Well, that's because we know that this historically weakens the cohesion of your gentile societies. Again, this is not a plot; we do it automatically. We did it hundreds of years ago, too. Benjamin Disraeli, who was born Jewish himself, even mentioned this Jewish habit of subverting various countries in a public speech at the House of Commons.

Think about it: your societies become culturally weaker, while we remain cohesive in our own little sub-society (we still marry, and breed with, other Jews only, almost without fail; Hollywood director Steven Spielberg is a visible exception to that rule).

So, there now, you have a little bit of our unusual history to chew on.

DonÃÂ¹t choke on it!

And, of course, if you tell anyone about this questionable history, or even about this conversation, I will strongly deny it. (I'm good at that. I've had lots of practice). Heck, I might even call you an 'anti-Semite,' just to discredit you completely (I'm good at that, too).

You know, I smile when I realize that our historic domination of your non-Jewish societies has actually INCREASED over the years, as the result of many corporate/company mergers -- that is, one company owning many other companies (we actually started that little idea, too, as well as modern banking; much of our ethnic history revolves around finance and commerce). Sure, we have always owned or controlled most of the media, most of Hollywood, most book and magazine publishing, and most financial institutions in the West, but now there is even 'more power in fewer hands.' Our hands, that is.

And, of course, if you, as a non-Jew, complain about our enormous power, you will be immediately branded as an 'anti-Semite,' and you will likely be fired from your job, or at least be forced to undergo 'sensitivity training' by your boss for your 'racist' views (I laugh so hard when I see this! Happens all the time!).

In fact, 'anti-Semitism' is now almost a thing of the past, given our enormous power, influence and heavy-handed political activism. In a few short years, 'anti-Semitism' will actually become a crime in America, First Amendment or not (you just let us worry about how we will do that; we bypassed the First Amendment once, by actually writing, and then pushing, certain 'hate-crimes' laws, and we can do so much more than that).

Heck, we have already made 'anti-Semitism' a crime in other countries, like England and Germany (who do you think helped write, and helped push for, those laws? Yep, the Jewish ADL and other Jewish groups).

Well, it's getting kinda late, gentile. I will concede that it has been fun privately admitting all of this to you; you see, I did it just for the chance to see a wide-eyed look of shock and horror on your face.................like that one!

Because, after all, your minister never told you about any of this, huh?

Of course not. After all, your minister always insists that 'Jesus was a Jew,' and all that other funny stuff, and, if you ever happen to mention Jews, he will quickly change the topic of conversation to much more important things, like 'Romans 53:39,' about the joys of turning the other cheek while certain people destroy your country unopposed. (Don't you just love those little Christians? We do! They're so naive! We actually use the 'Jesus was a Jew' thing, in public, at least, at every opportunity -- in films, in television, etc., just to make sure that those Christians don't get any funny ideas about doing another Third Reich! Oy! Oy Vey! Can't let that happen!)

So, gentile, I'll now take my leave; and you will kindly take care to keep going to church regularly, and to keep believing very strongly when your preacher or minister tells you that we Jews are merely 'innocent Hebrews,' and that we are 'just like you.'

Because we really need that. It helps us greatly. In fact, it keeps us alive, unharmed and unoppressed. It keeps us free to do whatever we want, whenever we want, to whomever we want, without anyone complaining.

And remember, gentile: You must never say a negative word about us. Nope. Not one negative word about my people, 'the Chosen.' Never forget that we are chosen. Ever. We say that we are 'the Chosen,' and we mean it, understand? No complaining. It is forbidden, remember?

Good boy. Real good. You have been well taught by your church, and your schools, and your boss, and the media, and Hollywood, and even your own family. You know the rules, don't you?

Sure you do. Those rules are part of you now. They are deeply ingrained in your mind. You have been well trained, and it shows.

Which is a good thing, because, after all, you would not want to be called an 'anti-Semite,' would you?

J.R. COLSON

Texas Dissident

2003-06-08 21:12 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 8 2003, 16:02 **Jews are not and never will be White. **

What's the cut-off point? 1/4 Jewish, 1/8, 1/16?

This is the flip side of those who claim Jews are the "chosen people" and therefore get a free pass to eternal paradise based on genes. What if one is 1/2 Jewish, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16? How 'bout if one had a great, great, great, great, great great grandfather who was Jewish? Is he or she now 'chosen?'

Absurdity. This topic is fast going nowhere. :thd:

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-08 21:22 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jun 8 2003, 17:12 > Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 8 2003, 16:02 Jews are not and never will be White. **

What's the cut-off point? 1/4 Jewish, 1/8, 1/16?

Absurdity. This topic is fast going nowhere. :thd:**

I've seen the proposed "Pace Amendment" that defines citizenship that floats around racialist circles makes 1/8 the cut-off. I think the German Nuremberg Laws enacted in the '30s were a little more generous than that, though.

I'm not sure if there's a perfectly accurate, or perfectly "fair" marker to decide these sorts of things, though. I imagine one would have to shoot for the statistical point where Jews cease to "feel the inner pull" of that side of their heritage, and come into alignment with the European orbit. I'm not sure what that is, or how it's measured--and one must keep in mind that Jews are quite good at faking the outward behavior of "assimilation."

At any rate, either the 1/8th mark or the Nuremberg Laws are infinitely preferable to the current status quo in which Jews run around free to work their deeds. I'm quite pragmatic and will take what I can get. All throughout European history, our ancestors did a pretty good job of identifying most of the Jews and expelling them. We can do it again. The problem is that eventually people forgot what Jews were about and eventually let them back in again.

Kurt

2003-06-08 21:47 | User Profile

Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Jun 8 2003, 15:13 ** I remember reading about the AmRen forum "welcoming" Jews, but I wonder whether that is just a personal statement from the moderator or whether Philosemitism is now an official AmRen policy. I recall Jared Taylor's brief romance with Jewish neos coming to an end with the first rumblings of war against Iraq: [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=4941&hl=]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...&f=6&t=4941&hl=[/url] so I was hoping that would lead to a wider awareness of AmRen of Jewish manipulation than there has been in the past. In other words, I wonder whether the guy was speaking on anyone's behalf but his own. AmRen has always avoided the Jewish question, but this forum business stands out as blatant philosemitism.

Does anybody know anything more about the story? **

I really don't know, AY. I assumed the policy of the egroup was set by Taylor himself, but maybe he handed control of it over to others (I'm not a member of it). I know that Michael Levin, a Jewish professor of philosophy at CUNY has worked with AR, if that means anything. Taylor has also has written an article on [url=http://www.amren.com/bet.htm]Why a National Slavery Museum is a Bad Idea[/url], but--at least not to my knowledge--he hasn't written one about Why A National Holocaust Museum Is A Bad Idea. <_<

Kurt

2003-06-08 21:55 | User Profile

Tom Rennick wrote:

**Kurt: You seem to have a problem with "elites". A white racist is, by definition, an "elitist". A white racist sees his race as superior - at least in some ways - to either mongoloids or negroids. I know that I do. Now, if you don't, then congratulate yourself on being a racial egalitarian.

I am not.**

What I meant by "elitist," is a White person who looks down on White people who have tattoos, or live in trailers, or whatever the case may be. I don't have any tattoos, or live in a trailer, but I don't feel superior to a White person who does.

[SIZE=1]This is my last response to you on this thread, and probably anywhere else. I'm sorry I responded to you in the first place. You come across as a pompous, long-winded, smug, arrogant piece of :dung: . In other words, you possess all the qualities of a "Jew."[/SIZE]

madrussian

2003-06-08 21:55 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jun 8 2003, 14:12 ** Absurdity. This topic is fast going nowhere. :thd: **

Life is more complicated that simple numbers. The same number game is used to "prove" there are no whites. It's all a part of the "where is the boundary between many and few" puzzle. It's a libertarian syndrome -- they get confused by false paradoxes enough to start denying that there are such notions as many and few, because boundary between them is blurry and because people will disagree where it is :lol:

madrussian

2003-06-08 22:00 | User Profile

Originally posted by Kurt@Jun 8 2003, 14:55 [SIZE=1]This is my last response to you on this thread, and probably anywhere else. I'm sorry I responded to you in the first place. You come across as a pompous, long-winded, smug, arrogant piece of :dung: . In other words, you possess all the qualities of a "Jew."[/SIZE]

Tom resembles a nutcase on LF who is posting under the handle of "Heretic". For example [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=647566&t=0#Post647566]this thread[/url]

Texas Dissident

2003-06-08 22:15 | User Profile

Originally posted by madrussian@Jun 8 2003, 16:55 **It's all a part of the "where is the boundary between many and few" puzzle. **

If you are going to start talking about pogroms, forced deportations and who gets to go to heaven, like others here and elsewhere allude to, then you better damn well have an exact, objective criteria.

Franco

2003-06-08 22:46 | User Profile

Tex --

The 1/8 cut-off point, for "who is/isn't a Jew?," sounds logical...if you have 1/8 or less Sheenie DNA, you're in...if not, out...

Edana

2003-06-08 22:55 | User Profile

This guy's not heretic. He isn't psychoanalyzing us all.

Personally, I'd give him a break. He's just untactfully and aggressively saying what many of us here say all the time - Hollywood Nazis are embarassing.

madrussian

2003-06-08 22:55 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jun 8 2003, 15:15 If you are going to start talking about pogroms, forced deportations and who gets to go to heaven, like others here and elsewhere allude to, then you better damn well have an exact, objective criteria.

According to the Soviet movies, the Nazis used to order the communists and Jews to step forward. :lol:

madrussian

2003-06-08 23:03 | User Profile

Originally posted by Edana@Jun 8 2003, 15:55 ** This guy's not heretic. He isn't psychoanalyzing us all. **

The same irrational accusations of others, hate in the case of Heretic or in being neo-nazis in the case of Rennick. It seems like the case of the people who are too afraid to admit there is a problem without the usual knee-jerk and nod to the official dogmas.

Edana

2003-06-08 23:18 | User Profile

Yeah.. I'd rather see the alienated white youth be skinheads than wiggers any day, but how hard is it for them to march and rally in normal clothes? When you tell them that their tactics are less than effective, they get all pissed and defensive. That behavior is befitting a fringe youth subculture which is not interested in long-term goals.

I do think he should tone it down a little... since I doubt anyone here is a "Hollywood Neo Nazi".

Okiereddust

2003-06-09 03:08 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 8 2003, 22:10 madrussian: ** Tom resembles a nutcase on LF who is posting under the handle of "Heretic". For example [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=647566&t=0#Post647566]this thread[/url]

I think you're on to something there. "Heretic" is a real :dung:. The segment on that thread where Edana and I thrashed him good is a keeper. "Heretic" actually claimed that women have virtually no sex drive, and so should never be held responsible for miscegnation.**

I get the impression actually that rainman is heretic, from the article "the twelve defining characterstics of fascism" that went on LF and OD at the same time.

madrussian

2003-06-09 03:18 | User Profile

Originally posted by Okiereddust@Jun 8 2003, 20:08 I get the impression actually that rainman is heretic, from the article "the twelve defining characterstics of fascism" that went on LF and OD at the same time.

I didn't mean to say they are the same person, only that both claim to be "racially aware" and at the same time both bitch about the "haters" and "extremists", accusing others of being such. Just a position I am amused about.

Texas Dissident

2003-06-09 09:14 | User Profile

Originally posted by wintermute@Jun 9 2003, 03:53 Now, if the Nazis and the Jews can agree on such a difficult issue, who are we to differ with them? They're the experts, after all. **

Then by all means, go sell it to the masses.

[SIZE=1]Miss seein' ya, amigo.[/SIZE]

Kevin Alfred Strom

2003-06-09 14:14 | User Profile

I won't dignify Mr. Rennick's personal attacks against me -- which I find hard to understand, since I gave a good promotion (at no personal gain to myself whatever) to a book he wrote under another name -- with any response except to say that I and my family have sacrificed much for this cause of ours; enough, I think, to forever debar pseudonymous mud-throwers from such attacks.

As far as dysfunctional people on the pro-White side go, I agree that they exist. The worst are those who, instead of offering constructive criticism and treating their fellow racially-conscious Whites as worth more than gold, instead go on the attack with personal insults, lies, half-truths, and distortions.

I will attach a few sample photographs of recent National Alliance activities so that readers can judge for themselves the overall tenor of the events and appearance of our members.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom. [url=http://www.kevin-strom.com/]http://www.kevin-strom.com/[/url] [url=http://www.revilo-oliver.com/]http://www.revilo-oliver.com/[/url]

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xmetalhead

2003-06-09 15:40 | User Profile

Hello Mr Strom! Nice to see you on OD.

This debate on the White Nationalist movement is very hot and I tend to only read and learn instead of posting, but I verily agree with you here: " The worst are those who, instead of offering constructive criticism and treating their fellow racially-conscious Whites as worth more than gold, instead go on the attack with personal insults, lies, half-truths, and distortions."

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-09 16:18 | User Profile

Originally posted by Kevin Alfred Strom@Jun 9 2003, 10:14 **I won't dignify Mr. Rennick's personal attacks against me -- which I find hard to understand, since I gave a good promotion (at no personal gain to myself whatever) to a book he wrote under another name -- with any response except to say that I and my family have sacrificed much for this cause of ours; enough, I think, to forever debar pseudonymous mud-throwers from such attacks.

I will attach a few sample photographs of recent National Alliance activities so that readers can judge for themselves the overall tenor of the events and appearance of our members.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.**

Welcome, Mr. Strom!

It is always a pleasure to see someone offer "the rest of the story," and your post includes some interesting and revealing elements that puts this thread in its proper context.

I hope you'll continue to visit Original Dissent as time permits. Your American Dissident Voices broadcasts played no small part in my own political awakening, as I listened to them on shortwave while I was in high school in the early 90s. I particularly enjoyed "Toward The Stars" and "My Political Education" since they very effectively combine personal experience (that the audience can relate to) with transpersonal ideals (to inspire the audience and spur them to greater consciousness). I'm pleased that National Vanguard Books still offers that particular tape for sale.

Ragnar

2003-06-09 16:41 | User Profile

Let me add my welcome to Mr. Strom as well.

While I usually find that posting pictures on a forum just wastes space I must admit your photos are an exception. Most of us never, but never, see the "regular" WN movement people -- just the corporate media smears. Very enlightening.

Assuming Tom is sincere he might want to refine his message a great deal.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-09 17:09 | User Profile

Welcome to the board, Mr. Strom! I hope you'll enjoy posting here!

Originally posted by Kevin Alfred Strom@Jun 9 2003, 08:14 I won't dignify Mr. Rennick's personal attacks against me -- which I find hard to understand, since I gave a good promotion (at no personal gain to myself whatever) to a book he wrote under another name -- with any response except to say that I and my family have sacrificed much for this cause of ours; enough, I think, to forever debar pseudonymous mud-throwers from such attacks.

Personally, I don't give Tom Rennick much credibility, and I doubt anyone else here does either; anyone who thinks, as Mr. Rennick does, that White Nationalism, or anything approaching it is somehow compatible with the pseudo-intellectual anti-nationalist pro-Zionist Randian cult has got to be either stupid, abysmally ignorant, or both.

Thank you very much for the pictures, they offer a good contrast with the Citizens Against Hate and ADL propaganda shots that Rennick posted.

Regards.

Wayland

2003-06-09 17:36 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 8 2003, 15:32 Some of these dress up "Nazis" are actually just Jews with a sense of drama. Recall Frank Collin and his Jewish buddies in Skolkie, IL.

Good point pod. I'd be surprised if there were more than a hundred of these dress-up nazis on the whole continent. How many people have actually seen one of these guys in the real world? I know I haven't. Don't believe everything you see on TV.

Okiereddust

2003-06-09 17:38 | User Profile

Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 9 2003, 16:41 ** Let me add my welcome to Mr. Strom as well.

While I usually find that posting pictures on a forum just wastes space I must admit your photos are an exception.ÃÂ Most of us never, but never, see the "regular" WN movement people -- just the corporate media smears.ÃÂ Very enlightening.

Assuming Tom is sincere he might want to refine his message a great deal. **

I beg your pardon, but I don't see a great deal of difference in whether WN's chose to dress up in Nazi regalia or suits and ties. It seems to be part of the general Hollywood obsession with image that is so characteristic in this modern age.

Rather than twaddle over whether NA members are capable of dressing up like model suburbanites, I would be interested in Mr. Strom's response to the sort of question Octopod raises, and whether he differs any from Franco's, and sides in anyway with the toleration shown by people like Yggdrasil. I am rather pessimistic personally, after our dealings with Franco, whether we will get a straight answer. It appears that the NA fuehrers have given the final word, and all the underlings are obediently fallen into procession, goosestepping along to their fuehrerprinzip.

I'll let Mr. Strom have the final word if he wants though, but I don't expect a great deal from these people.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-09 17:46 | User Profile

Originally posted by Tom Rennick@Jun 8 2003, 14:51 **

Is this rational?

Tom, whether or not Jews are genetically white is not the question. Certainly, from a genetic standpoint, they are no more white than their Levantine cousins. A couple of bleached-blonde Hollywood celebrities with rhonoplasty and colored contact lenses won't change this. In any case, that is not the most important issue. What you seem to have trouble understanding is that every single vile ideology aimed at atomizing and destroying national identity among peoples of European descent, ranging from Communism to your beloved "Objectivism" (a misnomer, if there ever was one) has been created by JEWS. No group has done nearly as much damage to ethic identity anywhere as have the Jews. This is their evolutionary strategy, and as long as someone self-identifies as a Jew, how much Jewish blood he or she actually has is irrelevant-he or she will work for Jewish interests, which are naturally, diametrically opposed to those of everyone else. On the other hand, not accepting people with slight Amerindian ancestry would be quite inconvenient, since ~30% of American whites can claim that distinction.

You need to get your head out of Atlas Shrugged and into a copy of The Culture of Critique.

damian

2003-06-09 19:40 | User Profile

Originally posted by Okiereddust@Jun 9 2003, 13:38 ** I beg your pardon, but I don't see a great deal of difference in whether WN's chose to dress up in Nazi regalia or suits and ties. It seems to be part of the general Hollywood obsession with image that is so characteristic in this modern age.

Rather than twaddle over whether NA members are capable of dressing up like model suburbanites**

Actually, I think Tom Rennick has raised an important issue with this thread and I'm quite surprised at some of the attacks leveled against him. To assert that the 'hollywood nazi' image is irrelevent and not detrimental to the WN movement is ludicrous - of course it is. I have no quarrel with people like Kevin Strom or Alex Linder whose efforts I respect, but these skinhead marches and the like are another matter entirely. Anyone who thinks otherwise is politically clueless, and apparently relishes playing the role of a political outcast or misfit. Likewise, I've never understood why so many on this forum attack people like Pat Buchanan or Sam Francis (because he refuses to 'name the jew'). I guess some on this forum won't be happy until they scream Jew! and relegate themselves to jounalistic obscurity. I respect the general membership on this forum as being of above average in intelligence and education, yet the naivety I occassionally come across on this forum is truly disconcerting coming as it does from those who should know better. This is not meant as a personal attack against you, Okiereddust, (I've always considered you one of the more 'balanced' on this forum), I merely used that quote of yours to address my point.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-09 19:44 | User Profile

Originally posted by damian@Jun 9 2003, 13:40 ** Likewise, I've never understood why so many on this forum attack people like Pat Buchanan or Sam Francis (because he refuses to 'name the jew'). I guess some on this forum won't be happy until they scream Jew! and relegate themselves to jounalistic obscurity. **

The only reason this is relevant, is because Jews, or perhaps more accurately the Jewish/Zionist lobby is behind virtually every single one of the grievances of WNs, whether directly or indirectly. One can talk about illegal immigration, racial tension, globalism and the moral decline of America for days on end, but such lofty rhetoric is ultimately useless and self-defeating unless one realized and names the source of these problems.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-09 19:51 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 13:48 ** damian:

You overlook the fact that no matter what White nationalists do, the Jewish media will label us "neo-Nazis." **

Agreed. For all the pandering that Amren has done to Jews, has anyone seen a single positive Jewish comment about Amren? Heck, even Buchanan, who always errs on the side of caution regarding Semitic issues is smeared as an "anti-Semite". An anti-Semite, is by definition, anyone whom the Jews don't like. The Jews will never like nationalist movements, because they threaten, in a real or imaginary manner, Jewish ethnic identity. Its that simple.

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-09 19:54 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod+Jun 9 2003, 14:24 -->
QUOTE (Octopod @ Jun 9 2003, 14:24 )

QUOTE (Octopod @ Jun 9 2003, 17:26 )
<!--QuoteBegin--PaleoconAvatar ** Exactly. Franco will come around once he learns to tailor his message to his audience. I recommended to him that he try introducing some "art and variety" into his discourse.**

Interestingly, his articles on Vanguard News Network are of much higher quality than most of his posts here on OD. Maybe sometime he'll be able to bring some of that quality here.**

I've noticed that as well. I wonder why there is a discrepancy in styles--rationality and cooperation there, but transparent antics here. Almost as if he seeks to bolster and further VNN, but cause disorder and dissolution here. What's his mission, just the elimination of ideologically close "competitors?" He arrived at the opening of the "VNN Wars."

damian

2003-06-09 21:45 | User Profile

Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 9 2003, 17:05 ** Those books will last a long time out there and influence a lot of people, and many of the facts and themes in those books can be used to promote the goal of Western regeneration.

It never made much sense to me to blanketly condemn or blanketly support mainstream figures like Buchanan, et al. We do have to recognize that such figures are key interfaces with the general population that hasn't studied these issues too deeply. I tend to take Buchanan's articles on a case-by-case basis, giving credit where credit is due, and providing some constructive criticism where he falls short. More often than not, Buchanan deserves credit. He's gone further than most "mainstream" figures generally do, and he's taken the heat for it. One has to approach these things with both a carrot and a stick--some people use too much carrot, and others use too much stick, as you rightly point out.**

Exactly. Buchanan has done more than anyone to bring these issues before the general public. I question the perspective of those who think that the way to go about things is to ram WN dogma down peoples throats and expect them to just "get it" instead of recognizing that this method is more likely to alienate people more than anything else. For God's sake, the majority of people in this country probably consider Vdare to be a racist site. If you aren't willing to lead them with baby steps, you're unlikely to accomplish anything. I get the impression that some WN's have enmeshed themselves so much into the rhetoric that they've completely lost touch with the perspective of the average American and would be hopelessly ineffective at promoting the WNs agenda to anyone that isn't already completely disenfranchised from the mainstream.

Franco

2003-06-09 21:47 | User Profile

** PaleoconAvatar wrote:

I've noticed that as well. I wonder why there is a discrepancy in styles--rationality and cooperation there, but transparent antics here. Almost as if he seeks to bolster and further VNN, but cause disorder and dissolution here. What's his mission, just the elimination of ideologically close "competitors?" He arrived at the opening of the "VNN Wars." **

Nahh...things are looser here. I can play in the mud and get dirty, ya know? It's a different environment. Plus, tweaking the mild, Buchanan-type paleos is sooo much fun... :D :D

damian

2003-06-09 22:19 | User Profile

Octopod;

I consider myself more 'slighty eccentric' than mainstream in my views, yet even I tend to blanch at some of the WN rhetoric like 'mud people' or 'hook-nosed jews'. I believe preserving western civilization and keeping this country predominately white is the paramount goal, as well as recognizing and combatting the destructive influence wielded by our enemy. I prefer to keep my focus on these positive motivations rather than to root around in the gutter of racial invective, and I suspect most others prefer that too.

damian

2003-06-09 22:37 | User Profile

Yes, I can agree with that, and it's one of the reasons I've never had a problem with the likes of an Alex Linder (or even Franco, for that matter :lol: ), they each serve a purpose. I was really reacting against those who continue to attack guys like Buchanan, Taylor, Francis, and the like; you folks should be willing to cut them a break. All this infighting among folks who are essentially on the same side is not only unproductive, but potentially self destructive politically.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-09 23:08 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 16:56 ** My only criticism of Taylor is that he needs to boot the Jews out of his tendency and quit allowing them to set policy. **

I doubt that doing this would be in Mr. Taylor's best interests. See [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=8326]here.[/url]

seq

2003-06-09 23:13 | User Profile

Earlier today I emailed beyondthishorizon2003@hotmail.com, attention Tom Rennick, asking for confirmation that the person claiming to be him here on OD was indeed Mr. Rennick. So far no response.

I, too, would like an explanation for that vicious and completely uncalled for attack on Mr. Strom.

damian

2003-06-09 23:14 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 18:56 **

Speaking of "attacks," was not Rennick's attack on Mr. Strom both vicious and completely uncalled for?**

I thought that this particular line of his was uncalled for:

Finally, Mr. Strom's demented idea of "white pride" is perfectly illustrated in this last photograph - all of which were taken from a National Alliance OWNED website:

I don't know much about Mr. Strom personally, but I rather doubt that his "demented idea of "white pride" is perfectly illustrated in this last photograph" as Tom Rennick suggests. I noticed that Bill White once gave Mr. Strom a hard time over something having to do with the NA as well, though I don't recall the specifics. The NA was Dr. Pierce's baby and I doubt that it has changed all that much since he passed away, so blaming Kevin Strom for it doesn't seem right. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of the NA anyway.

Okiereddust

2003-06-09 23:24 | User Profile

Originally posted by Franco@Jun 9 2003, 21:47 **> ** PaleoconAvatar wrote:

I've noticed that as well. I wonder why there is a discrepancy in styles--rationality and cooperation there, but transparent antics here. Almost as if he seeks to bolster and further VNN, but cause disorder and dissolution here. What's his mission, just the elimination of ideologically close "competitors?" He arrived at the opening of the "VNN Wars." **

Nahh...things are looser here. I can play in the mud and get dirty, ya know? It's a different environment. Plus, tweaking the mild, Buchanan-type paleos is sooo much fun... :D :D**

We'll just call you the "rban of the Linderites"

Franco

2003-06-09 23:34 | User Profile

Re: Tom Rennick

Rennick called Strom "demented?" I must have missed that part. That Rennick guy has a lot of gonads calling a key leader of the WN movement [or his ideas] "demented." Geez.

Betcha he nebber, nebber, comes baack....

damian

2003-06-10 00:34 | User Profile

Octopod;

I guess I missed some of those choice tidbits of Rennicks. In any event, I'm not interested in defending him personally anyway, I just meant to comment that I can understand where he's coming from in terms of where he criticizes the image projected by these groups. The only organization I would feel somewhat comfortable with would be AmRen, and even there I doubt that I would fit in. I don't seem to have the same level of racial animosity that the rest of you have, and don't feel comfortable making race itself the focal point - I prefer my politics couched in a more sophisticated form, even if racial politics is at the root of it. You can call it hypocrisy if you like, but it's a little more complicated than that. Though I don't consider myself a libertarian, I have a similiar problem assigning collective blame on people as a group. Nevertheless, I favor white political solidarity as a way to enforce our group interests. I guess I'm a bit conflicted in my value system. :blink: :lol:

damian

2003-06-10 00:52 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 20:37 The degree of importance that race has in one's politics has nothing to do with "sophistication." I think you just haven't made up your mind yet.

Make up my mind? Is it all or nothing, I'm either a true believer or I'm not? I guess I didn't pass the 'orthodoxy' test, so am I to be banished as a heretic? Are the beliefs of WN so fragile that it has to be an either/or situation? Where is the cut-off point? Is WN some sort of cult? Who decides who's in and who's out? I would expect this sort of thing on Stormfront, but I've always assumed you guys were a little above that sort of nonsense.

damian

2003-06-10 01:04 | User Profile

Octopod;

Sorry, I misinterpreted your reply.

damian

2003-06-10 01:35 | User Profile

Octopod;

My fault, I am conflicted about some of these issues which probably caused my over-reaction. However, I don't think I'm wholly atypical in this reguard, thus my point that any movement that seeks to promote white interests, if it hopes to garner support from mainstream whites, needs to be cognizant of the sensibilities of people like me if they intend to advance beyond fringe status. I've noticed from some of your earlier post that you are a Christian and don't take kindly to those who would deride your beliefs; I think this principle needs to be extended to include those of us who have certain philosophical trepidations about embracing white nationalism.

damian

2003-06-10 02:18 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 21:54 ** I merely regard any deliberate alienation of Christians as politically ill-advised.

It would also help if you'd point out exactly what has offended you.**

I agree that Christianity bashing is politically stupid. (Just for the record, I'm a fallen away Catholic who is agnostic)

And I'm not offended, I guess I'm just in some kind of limbo - not exactly a WN, not exactly a paleo-libertarian. I guess I'm just expecting to be judged not "pure" enough to really be a part of this forum and respond a little defensibly. I've lurked here but never really considered posting - until I think it was ValleyForge who posted that "What's up with damian" on liberty forum thing.

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-10 02:27 | User Profile

Originally posted by damian@Jun 9 2003, 22:18 > Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 21:54 And I'm not offended, I guess I'm just in some kind of limbo - not exactly a WN, not exactly a paleo-libertarian. I guess I'm just expecting to be judged not "pure" enough to really be a part of this forum and respond a little defensibly. I've lurked here but never really considered posting - until I think it was ValleyForge who posted that "What's up with damian" on liberty forum thing.** **

In limbo between WN and the paleolibs? I'll certainly take that--you're head and shoulders above most of the American population. To my knowledge, there's no "ideological purity test" or enforced orthodoxy at OD, we have paleocons, paleolibertarians, "white nationalists," probably a few "national socialists," maybe some Chomsky/Cockburn/Vidal "Old Leftists," "Nationalist Anarchists," and probably a few who have some other label I haven't seen yet. You've probably seen that we actually all get along and are quite civil at least 99% of the time. We're all "dissenters" who aren't welcome at "sanitized" places like "Free" Republic and such.

I'm glad you're here and finally posting. Please, continue...post articles you're interested in, ask tough questions of other posters. Go for it! Have fun!

[More of you lurking out there in the woodwork, feel free to come forward.]

Roger Bannister

2003-06-10 02:30 | User Profile

Mr. Rennick offers no suggestions. He does take easy pot shots at everyone. Naming the jew isn't the main problem anyway. Waking whites up to the fact that the country is sinking for real is the problem. Too many of them are comfortable at home with their six pack and big screen watching the NBA finals. You know who is isn't concerned with who wins the title. Only with how much money they can make from it. It also helps them promote more black heroes.

Roy Batty

2003-06-10 02:51 | User Profile

My point is probably simplistic, but I'll make it anyway. Unless there was an earlier post mentioning this that I missed while skimming the thread, I think that Mr. Rennick is missing one point; what other kind of images will one find in the media when it comes to showing WN's? The images of white males in general throughout the media are bad enough. We're always the inept goof in commercials and films when compared to a minority character. If a white male is the hero, he usually has to rely on a minority character or female to achieve his goal. This is the best we can hope for.

Try to find images of sensible looking WN's in the national media. Good luck. If you do find the stray picture of say, William Pierce, it's accompanied with copy associating him with "Hitler's Death Camps" or pictures like the ones posted at the start of the thread. The movement (the little there really is right now) might be rife with the types shown in full color to Tom's delight, but that doesn't mean that most WN's subscribe to this attitude and regalia. But it's those types that get the airtime. The image TR chose of the anti-racists is typical of what is shown on TV, in the papers. Take a look at the anti-racists shown at protests where VNN has had a camera handy. Neanderthal savages, fruitcakes, groids, mestizo mutants, brainwashed unwashed self hating ugly whites, and smirking jews hiding behind their charges.

Our problem isn't the skinheads, Nazis, AB, Nazi Lowriders or PEN1. It's the media cutting WN's off at the pass, making images of these guys the image that is associated with WN's. The "lowbrow" element isn't hurting the movement as much as the media is able to cut it off at the knees with their pervasive presence. These tattooed "soldiers" are a rarity in real life anyway. You wouldn't know it from the tube. The numbers and image projected by the media are as realistic as all the black and brown physicists, MD's and astronauts shown on the one eyed zhidraelite in most people's livingrooms.

As things get worse, more whites will be forced to wake up. When the defecation finally hits the air conditioning, and it will, a lot of whites will be hurt or killed at first, because they have been brainwashed into not fighting, into being physical cowards like most Ashkenazi jews. The tattoed troublemakers will probably find many people who scorned them, like TR, begging for their help when that happens.

Getting the word out, a person at a time, one "awakening" at a time is our problem. Worrying about tattooed troublemakers is a waste of time, and could be construed as a false flag problem or operation at this stage of the game.

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-10 02:59 | User Profile

It's worth pointing out that whenever the National Alliance puts on any public functions or events, the participants are always specifically instructed to wear suits and ties, or similar professional attire, and they are always reminded that they should regulate their speech and behavior accordingly, since the media will be sure to poke around looking to capture on film and tape any images or words of an inappropriate or shocking nature to John Q. Public.

na Gaeil is gile

2003-06-10 10:24 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 19:25 Nazi skinheads may be way into body art, but that doesn't keep them from tackling the Jews and Commies on the street. I'm sure not going to shed a tear for the latter two groups: they're the real rabble.

Amen. Anyone who has even had the misfortune to be surrounded by the freaks that compose Ã¢â¬Ëanti-racistÃ¢â¬â¢ activism knows the value of having a few of these guys at your back. ItÃ¢â¬â¢s important to distinguish between the skins who are genuine political activists and those who are just wallowing in the sub-culture. Real European skinheads are the Partridge Family compared to the degenerates of the far left.

Triskelion no doubt has some valuable insights on this subject.

il ragno

2003-06-14 09:06 | User Profile

My God, how did I utterly overlook this thread?

Anyway, every time I see a skinhead (it's very very rarely....in fact, I'm much more likely to see a black-wannabe bald white teenager than an Aryan nations type) I see a kid who never got the chance us older fellows did of being a white kid in a white community....playing ball, delivering papers at 6am, soapbox racing, etc....all those iconic youthful pasttimes we've all been taught to loathe as 'whitebread' and 'bland' diversions of an oppressive master race from the 'stultifying', 'fear-riddled' 1950s.

You know what? It must suck to be a kid in a culture that lionizes the gangbanger, the faggot, the leper, the freak....that fetishes child sexuality everywhere you turn.....that tells him or her that just becaue blacks cannot live amongst themselves like human beings, your humanity must be taken from you because it's 'only fair' that everyone get dragged down to the same abyss...to grow up in a neighborhood where you avoid the park and never go on certain streets after dark....to be shaken down and mugged for your lunch money by black and brown animals.....to be handed a Nintendo by your parents (if you have two, that is) as they screw in the fifth lock on your front door, because they can't give you even the security of growing up poor in an all-white area.

If some of those kids go wrong...if they break inside and boil over with hostility and tattoo panzers on their chests and I'LL KILL YOU on their shaven skulls and play tuneless shite with lyrics that make Franco's posts read like Shakespeare's sonnets and drift into violence or drug addiction or jailhouse society....a little bit of that is on US. Who 'know better', or had a bigger head start, or who are old enough to remember being white in a white world. Who had childhoods. Who were lucky enough to duck some of the bullets these kids obviously didn't, or couldn't. We, who stood there and let this happen to our white homeland. Who never stopped to think if it wasn't really our obligation to see to it that it was their white homeland as well.

I know some of these skinheads are bad-asses who are now beyond redemption. But all of them started out as frustrated, confused, scared and above all victimized by Jewish lies and subhuman aggression & violence. So what do we expect? They bond with whoever's fighting on their side. That they look/sound/act alarming is more an indictment of us than them and I can't hate these kids (just their awful, awful music).

damian

2003-06-14 16:53 | User Profile

*Originally posted by il ragno@Jun 14 2003, 05:06 * **

Anyway, every time I see a skinhead (it's very very rarely....in fact, I'm much more likely to see a black-wannabe bald white teenager than an Aryan nations type) I see a kid who never got the chance us older fellows did of being a white kid in a white community....playing ball, delivering papers at 6am, soapbox racing, etc....all those iconic youthful pasttimes we've all been taught to loathe as 'whitebread' and 'bland' diversions of an oppressive master race from the 'stultifying', 'fear-riddled' 1950s.

You know what? It must suck to be a kid in a culture that lionizes the gangbanger, the faggot, the leper, the freak....that fetishes child sexuality everywhere you turn.....that tells him or her that just becaue blacks cannot live amongst themselves like human beings, your humanity must be taken from you because it's 'only fair' that everyone get dragged down to the same abyss...to grow up in a neighborhood where you avoid the park and never go on certain streets after dark....to be shaken down and mugged for your lunch money by black and brown animals....I know some of these skinheads are bad-asses who are now beyond redemption. But all of them started out as frustrated, confused, scared and above all victimized by Jewish lies and subhuman aggression & violence. So what do we expect? They bond with whoever's fighting on their side. That they look/sound/act alarming is more an indictment of us than them and I can't hate these kids (just their awful, awful music).**

Great observations...I'm generally willing to cut some of these guys a break as well as feel a certain amount of pity for them. Some of them will never know what it's like to grow up in a truly white culture. It's a shame, really, that they are intentionally culturally deprived of their white cultural heritage in a concerted effort to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator - no wonder they sometimes rebel in antisocial ways. The brighter ones probably realize instinctively that they are being manipulated to adapt to an alien, politically correct culture that denigrates their white heritage and resent it enormously, resulting in their response of either rebellion or alienation. It's the ones who meekly accept this perverse status quo who draw my derision.

Roy Batty

2003-06-15 01:52 | User Profile

*Originally posted by damian@Jun 14 2003, 08:53 * ** Great observations...I'm generally willing to cut some of these guys a break as well as feel a certain amount of pity for them. Some of them will never know what it's like to grow up in a truly white culture. It's a shame, really, that they are intentionally culturally deprived of their white cultural heritage in a concerted effort to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator - no wonder they sometimes rebel in antisocial ways. The brighter ones probably realize instinctively that they are being manipulated to adapt to an alien, politically correct culture that denigrates their white heritage and resent it enormously, resulting in their response of either rebellion or alienation. It's the ones who meekly accept this perverse status quo who draw my derision. **

Very good post, Damian, very good indeed.

Il Ragno, yours are always (well, almost) good. Great on many on occasion. As you know anyway.