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Bardamu [OP]

2003-06-07 15:41 | User Profile

White Identity by Kevin Alfred Strom

American Dissident Voices Broadcast of June 7, 2003

Welcome to American Dissident Voices. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom.

If we are going to survive, that means that we have to decide who "we" are. That's so basic, so obvious, so essential that it's amazing how few people give much thought to it.

The Blacks have very little trouble deciding who they are. They know at a glance. Anyone of largely sub-Saharan African ancestry, who has the requisite dark complexion, kinky hair, and broad nose and thick lips qualifies. They don't much care whether the individual in question believes in Catholicism, Pentecostalism, the AME Church, or is a follower of Louis Farrakhan or an indigenous African religion. They don't much care if the person is a Marxist or a free-market entrepreneur. As much as individual Blacks may care about such things, race trumps all. What they really care about is the fact that the person in question is Black. It's a question of racial survival. Race has to trump all. It is of the essence.

Similarly, the Nation of Aztlan folks are deeply concerned for their race's survival. They know who they are and where they came from. They value their racial characteristics and demand that they have a future. They demand territory -- exclusive territory -- so their race can have food and living space and self-government. They don't, to my knowledge, define themselves through religion. So therefore the differences between the Catholic and indigenous religions practiced by members of their race do not fracture their racial unity, nor does religious conversion serve to pollute their gene pool. They may differ on economics and on the ideal social structure they'd like to see in the new nation they intend to carve out of the United States. But they all agree that they need to carve out that nation -- and they all agree that that nation will belong to their race and their race alone. That's essential. Everything else is debatable. Racial identity is paramount. They are a race which intends to survive.

Similarly, East Asian peoples have a very strong sense of peoplehood. Their communities at home, and in the countries they colonize overseas like the United States and Canada, are close to being racially pure. They maintain their racial integrity, and there is a vanishingly small percentage of non-Asian immigration to their homelands. They know who they are. With almost no exceptions, they define themselves in terms of ancestry -- reverence for one's ancestors is a powerful tradition among Asians -- and the genetic integrity of their nations is secure.

But ask a few White Americans or Europeans to define their people -- to define who "we" are -- and you will get such a mass of contradictory answers that you'll quickly give up on getting any consistent answer to your question. You'll probably get more rational answers from other races if you ask them to define who "we" are. They have long and quite rationally regarded the White West as a racial and cultural unity.

Part of White confusion about who we are is no doubt due to the omnipresent propaganda of the Jewish-controlled media and educational establishments, which says that "race does not exist," that racial mixing is desirable, and that White identity is the sine qua non of all evil in the world. This propaganda undoubtedly does real damage to White psyches, and to innocent young White souls. And the promoters of such propaganda deserve whatever measures it takes to stop their hateful lies. But their propaganda does not fully explain the confusion of Whites about their racial identity.

Part of the confusion about our identity is religious in nature.

In the dying days of the majestic Classical civilization created by our race, the indigenous religion of that civilization was defeated, destroyed, and supplanted by Christianity, which had originally sprung from Jewish roots, and then spread among the slave population to the increasingly cosmopolitan and proletarian citizenry. In a few centuries, Christianity became the state religion of Rome. When healthier White tribes from the north invaded and eventually occupied Rome, many were undoubtedly awed by the culture, technology, architecture, and monumental art of the defeated Empire. They mistakenly associated these great achievements of our race with the recently-adopted religion of Christianity, and naturally the Pontifex Maximus, or chief Christian priest or Pope of Rome, anxious to preserve the wealth and power of his institution, did not disabuse them of this misconception. Thus many Whites, overawed by the remnants of Rome's grandeur and greatness, were converted to a belief in what they thought was the god of Rome.

In addition to these sincere conversions, there were other sincere conversions based on a true belief in the Westernized Christian doctrines eventually preached all over Europe; or on the qualities the Christians' Bible, which, unlike the more poetic and fanciful Classical or related Nordic myths, claimed to be an accurate historical record of events that actually happened in the real world. And it is commonplace knowledge that many conversions were made by the sword, and that thousands were killed who would not submit.

Thus it was that Christianity achieved what no other religion had done before. It brought all Europe and almost all of our race under one religion -- a remarkable achievement, which had many benefits, not the least of which was a realization of cultural unity and a doctrinal basis to unite all White tribes against common racial enemies, who naturally also had alien religions. It was under the banner of Christianity that Charles Martel defeated the Moslems at Tours and that the Moors were finally expelled from Europe by the troops of Ferdinand and Isabella.

With geographic Europe, and racial Europe, almost universally Christian, Europe became Christendom. And, for all practical purposes, the White race thought of itself as Christendom. And, although in a diminished sense, many of us still think that way today. Even in White nationalist circles, where our sense of racial identity must be strongest if we are to lead our people to freedom and security, we find such thinking is very common.

Even Lawrence Brown, author of the thought-provoking work The Might of the West, defined "us" as the descendants of those who were Catholic in 1492, with some additions, also Christian.

It's hard not to be emotionally moved by the racially healthy aspects of Christian ritual and culture: the all-White children's choir singing Mozart's Introitus Requiem or the intensely spiritual works of Bach or Handel; the magnificent Gothic cathedral or the white country church at the foot of the mountain; the upright moral folk who peopled the vastness of the American plains and made the greatest Republic in history. I am moved by these things myself.

But these things are in their essence more White than they are Christian. Without the White race, they could never have existed, even if Christianity had taken root among other races. The source of Mozart's music and the vast Gothic temples was not in doctrine, not in scripture, but in the genes. That is one reason we must define ourselves in racial terms -- in genetic terms -- or we and everything we built and everything we love will die.

That is why White Christians must put race first, above even their beloved religion. They must agree with other White nationalists that what we are is White, what we are is the European race, what we are is defined in biological terms and that what we are fighting for is the survival of that racial heritage and the culture that our race created and that it alone can sustain and move forward to its destiny. Race comes first. Race is how we must define ourselves. Whites of other religions are still "us." Non-Whites, even if they share our religious beliefs, can never be "us." Any other approach is suicide.

Defining ourselves in broad religious terms only means that either 1) Koreans and Jews, et cetera, who convert to our religion are "us" too or 2) that most Mexicans, for example, are "us" now.

That's giving up the game, lying down, and accepting racial death. If a few part-Whites survive someday who practice Christianity, that's defeat. Not victory.

Our race not only existed before Christianity existed -- making it impossible for that to be our defining characteristic -- but we existed before any known religion came into being.

Before Darwin and Mendel and Crick and Watson, we may not have known our distant history or the physical mechanism behind our identity as Whites. Before the rise of Jewish power in the 20th century, we may not have seen clearly that the Jews are a profoundly alien intrusion into our nations.

But the United States Congress in 1790 did make being "a free White person" a requirement for becoming a citizen of the United States, a legal requirement which remained in force for 162 years. They saw what was essential, and acted on it. They had an implicit White racial consciousness that was made explicit in the laws of the land.

Unfortunately, they had no conception of the non-White nature of the Jew, and that was the one flaw that allowed the mass immigration of Jews in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. And that alien (and racially conscious of its alienness) group proceeded to use all of its cleverness and all of its wealth to destroy the nascent racial consciousness of Whites and to erase the laws of our forefathers which protected our race from non-White immigration and intermarriage. Some have argued that identifying ourselves as Christians might have prevented the mistake of considering Jews to be White and so allowing them free access to our society, but I do not agree with that position. As in Spain 500 years ago, Jews could just have themselves sprinkled with 'holy water' and claim to believe in the right doctrine, and the religious barrier could be easily overcome. And furthermore, the Jewish connection to Christianity has most often worked in the Jews' favor, making religious and secular Christian leaders alike view them with misplaced sympathy.

The exalted beauty (dare I say Whiteness?) of the religious services I talked about, or the lovely and moving Easter service at a New England church a respected lady told me about in a recent letter, could never have been completely captured by non-Whites, no matter what their creed. One thinks of Black churches and their very different, if no less sincere, ambience and spirituality.

But I sincerely believe that a similar religious feeling (dare I say spirit?), perhaps even purer, was present in ancient Hellas when choirs sang forth in praise of Eos -- or when Pan or Freya were invoked in the forest temples of our other old homelands.

I do not advocate a return to the old religions -- far from it. But the key to our spirituality -- the key to what we are -- is within ourselves, and is therefore within our genes. It is not found in any specific creed, particularly not within a creed we inherited from other peoples, or one that can be adopted by anybody.

America's founders had a sense of a White identity which transcended religion. That's why they defined citizenship in racial terms in the Naturalization Act of 1790. That's why even those who opposed Black slavery -- like Francis Scott Key -- were supportive of the American Colonization Society which proposed to repatriate the freed Blacks to Africa. That's why Thomas Jefferson supported racial separation on a continental scale. Jefferson pointed out the great difference between slavery in America, where the slaves were Black, and slavery in ancient Rome, where the slaves were White: "Among the Romans, emancipation required but one effort. The slave when made free might mix with, without staining the blood of his master. But with us a second effort is necessary, unknown to history. When freed he is to be removed beyond the reach of mixture."

That sense of White racial identity was even promoted and advocated by no less than the President of the United States (Theodore Roosevelt) as late as the early years of the 20th century. He stated:

"Nineteenth-century democracy needs no more complete vindication for its existence than the fact that it has kept for the white race the best portions of the new worlds' surface, temperate America and Australia.

"Had these regions been under aristocratic governments, Chinese immigration would have been encouraged precisely as the slave trade is encouraged of necessity by any slave-holding oligarchy, and the result would in a few generations have been even more fatal to the white race; but the democracy, with the clear instinct of race selfishness, saw the race foe, and kept out the dangerous alien.

"The presence of the negro in our Southern States is a legacy from the time when we were ruled by a transoceanic aristocracy. The whole civilization of the future owes a debt of gratitude greater than can be expressed in words to that democratic policy which has kept the temperate zones of the new and the newest worlds a heritage for the white people." -- Memorial Edition of the Works of Theodore Roosevelt, XIV, 245, 246.

"If there is one question upon which the philanthropists of the present day, especially the more emotional ones, are agreed, it is that any law restricting Chinese immigration is an outrage; yet it seems incredible that any man of even moderate intelligence should not see that no greater calamity could now befall the United States than to have the Pacific slope filled up with a Mongolian population." -- Memorial Edition of the Works of Theodore Roosevelt, VIII, 118

On the Texas war for independence from Mexico, Theodore Roosevelt said:

"Whatever might be the pretexts alleged for revolt, the real reasons were to be found in the deeply marked difference of race, and in the absolute unfitness of the Mexicans then to govern themselves, to say nothing of governing others." -- Memorial Edition of the Works of Theodore Roosevelt, VIII, 131

Theodore Roosevelt's virtue in having a strong racial consciousness was something he shared with America's founding fathers of the late 18th century. In a way he was a continuation of their legacy. He also embodied some of their flaws, such as a naive belief that representative government, miscalled "democracy" by TR, could cure all ills and somehow ensure wisdom. Another flaw -- a fatal flaw -- possessed by both Teddy Roosevelt and the founders was the foolish belief that the Jews were, in essence, the same people as European Whites and differed only or mainly in their religion. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt once ridiculed an anti-Jewish preacher who came to New York when TR was police commissioner there. The Jews were, then as now, anxious to shut the preacher up and close down his speaking engagements. This Roosevelt refused to do, but he did employ a group of Jewish policemen to protect the clergyman.

The nine decades from the time of Theodore Roosevelt to the present have educated all of us on the utter folly of regarding the Jew as just a odd kind of White man with a peculiar religion vaguely related to our own. The Jew's open and aggressive promotion of everything which destroys our race, from non-White immigration to miscegenation to homosexuality have shown us that the Jewish survival strategy is one of destroying the racial integrity and consciousness of their host people. Whites must become racially conscious, and racially conscious Whites must never make the mistake of accepting Jews as White again.

We must regain a sense of racial consciousness, which is the heritage of the old America and the founders, and we must refine it with the lessons we have learned in the last century. We desperately need to regain that sense of identity again. It must not be based on beliefs, which can change in a moment or a decade and which allow the alien to claim to be one of us. It must be based not on what we believe, as important as that may be. It must be based on what we actually are. Only then can what we are -- our defining essence and the source of all that we create and love, and all that our descendants will create in love in the future -- survive and achieve its destiny.

Until next week, this is Kevin Alfred Strom reminding you to keep on thinking free.

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PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-07 16:26 | User Profile

Excerpt from Strom:

The source of Mozart's music and the vast Gothic temples was not in doctrine, not in scripture, but in the genes.

This is known as the "metagenetic theory of knowledge." Needless to say, modernity opposes this theory, preferring instead the egalitarian potentials of the Lockean "blank slate." The ins and outs of this are explored in this article pasted below:

The Secret of the Gothick God of Darkness

by Edred Thorsson, Yrmin-Drighten

Reprinted with permission from Fringe Ware Review 666:16 & The Ninth Night #3. This text exists in a revised edition in the book Red Runa (Runa-Raven Press 2001)

There is a Secret God, a Hidden God, who dwells in a spiralling tower fortress and who has guided and overseen our development from time immemorial--and who has remained concealed but very close to us awaiting the "future" time of re-awakening. The time of the re-awakening is near. Already we have heard the distant claps of thunder which signal the coming storm.

The legacy of the Dark Gothick God is one which can guide those chosen by him to a state of development wherein they have attained a permanent (immortal) consciousness which is free to act or not act in the material universe as it desires. This consciousness becomes privy to all manner of secrets of life and death and life in death. The price for this attainment is contained in the cost of attaining it--for one who has been so chosen there can be no rest, no respite from the Quest which is, and remains, the Eternal Work.

Because the way in which knowledge of this Dark Gothick God is passed from generation to generation contradicts the favored methods of the so-called "major religions" of the world--the religions of the "book"--Judaism, Christianity and Islam--this knowledge and its methods have been forbidden and made increasingly tabu for all of the centuries since the cunning ideological conversion of Europe by Christianity.

Books can be burned, religious leaders can be killed--but the blood endures.

The Gothick God

In the past ten or fifteen years our western European culture (including all the "colonies" of western European cultures such as those in North America and Australia) have witnessed a revival of an aesthetic "Gothick Kulture." This revival, or reawakening, of the Gothick spirit in many respects follows the characteristics of all the previous revivals.

The word "Gothick" is the key to understanding the nature and character of the spirit behind the aesthetic. (Here I use the "-k" spelling for aesthetic reasons as well as to differentiate the cultural movement from designations of architecture or literary history--more commonly spelled in the standard way.) "Gothick" is ultimately derived from the name of an ancient Germanic nation--the Goths.

These Goths came out of the far North (from present-day Gotaland in Sweden) and swept down into southern Europe beginning about 150 CE. They split into two major groups along the way: the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths. In the south they established kingdoms in present-day Italy (with its capital in Ravenna) and southern France (with its capital in present-day Toulouse). This latter kingdom, under pressure from the Franks, moved its capital to the present-day Spanish city of Toledo. In all of these regions the Goths established many secret traditions at the highest levels of society. The tip of this secret iceberg is revealed when you see how many Spanish and Italian names of nobility are derived from Gothic forms. Some of the more familiar examples would be Frederico, Adolfo, Carlo, Ricardo...

The mystery of what happened to the lost treasure of Rome (including the "Lost Ark") can be solved through knowledge of Visigothic secret history. But that is a story for another time. Eventually the Goths were militarily defeated by a coalition of the Roman Catholic Church and the king of the Franks, who was the first Germanic king to convert to Roman Catholicism. All others before him, including many Goths, had "converted" to their own brand of esoteric "Gothic Christianity." The final end to overt Gothic rule in Spain came with the Muslim invasion in 711 CE. But their secret traditions lived on.

The Goths gained a reputation in their own time, and through subsequent ages, as a sort of "master-race." In ancient Scandinavia the word gotar was used as an honorific title for heroes, as even today members of the noble class in modern Spain are referred to as gotos ("Goths"). As time went on, some of the secret Gothic tradition merged with some of the established traditions of the peoples among whom they disappeared, while other parts of it were submerged in the cultural "under-class" of peasants, vagabonds and heretics.

Four to five centuries after their official "demise" an aesthetic in memorial to the spirit of the Goths was created in northern Europe--later art historians even named the style "Gothic." But nowhere the Goths had been remained unmarked by their prestige and secret tradition. This dark and mysterious Gothick past of superhuman qualities loomed as a secret alternative to the bright and rational Classical past which was used as a model for both Christian theologians of the Middle Ages and rational humanists of the Renaissance.

It is in this cultural framework that the Romantic movement began to grow in the 1700s. The Classical models had failed the avant-garde of the day. They looked to a more distant past, as a way of looking into a deeper, more mysterious, and at the same time more real, level of themselves. When the French looked beyond their Medieval Christian roots they found the Romans, and hence the word "Roman-tic" aptly described what it was they were looking for. In northern Europe, however, the term "Romantic" was generally found wanting by the adventurous souls who saw nothing of the deep-past = deep-self formula in the word. It was still remembered that our noble past was not Roman, but Gothick. (By now the word "Gothick" was also a synonym for "Germanic" or "Teutonic" as well.)

The Gothick world was a world of the distant and powerful past, shrouded in mist and swathed in darkness--a night-side world of dream and nightmare. The Gothick images conjured by the artists of the day--poets such as Burger, Novalis, Byron, and Hugo, or painters such as Fuseli, Arbo and Dore--acted as doorways for opening the world to the Gothick stream. The dead came alive once more and walked among the living--and upon the living begat the children of darkness.

This process has continued from those nights to these branching out in ever wider circles to encompass more aspects of life. But at the level of what might be called "popular culture" clear traces can be seen which connect Ann Radcliffe's The Mysteries of Udolpho to M.G. Lewis' The Monk to C.R. Maturin's Melmoth to Edgar Allen Poe's tales and poetry to R.W. Chambers' The King in Yellow to Bram Stoker's Dracula and on to Hanns Heinz Ewers, H.P. Lovecraft and Anne Rice. All in their own ways, wittingly or unwittingly, have contributed to the descent of the Gothick God of Darkness in popular culture.

In many respects Stoker's famous novel, Dracula, was a "warning" concerning the emergence of an "evil influence" from the Gothick past--Die Toten reiten schnell! Stoker has his evil nobleman declare his kinship with the northern Berserkers who fought with the "spirit which Thor and Wodin [sic] gave them," and even obliquely refers to the Gothic tradition reported by Jordanes in his Getica that the Huns were the offspring of Gothic sorceresses, known as Haljurunas (Hel-Runes), and devils that roamed the steppes.

Neither was this influence lost on the American writer H.P. Lovecraft, who, when he was feeling more "heroic" in his younger days, strongly identified with the Gothick heritage. In a letter from October of 1921 he wrote: "I am essentially a Teuton and barbarian; a Xanthochroic Nordic from the damp forests of Germany or Scandinavia... I am a son of Odin and brother to Hengist and Horsa..."

The most important God of the ancient Goths was their most distant ancestor, which the Gothic histories record as one named Gaut. Old Norse literature provides the key to discovering the a more familiar identity of this God. There we find this name among the many specialized names given to the God Odhinn or Woden (as he was known among the Anglo-Saxons). Odhinn is called the All-Father, and Gaut is at the head of the genealogy of the Gothic kings just as Woden is at the head of the genealogies of all the pre-Norman English kings.

This God--or ultimate paeterhuman ancestor--is a wise and dark communicator. He is the master of all forms of mysterious communication by means of signs and symbols. In ancient times a system of such symbols for communication were discovered, and called "Runes." In order to learn these the God hung himself for nine nights on a tree and thereby encountered the realm of Death--and from that spear-tip point which is the interface between life and death he at once comprehended the Runes--the Mysteries of the World.

These Runes form a system of semiotic elements which are not only potent in a purely abstract or theoretical way, but which are, by their very nature, connected to the physical universe and the realm of generation and regeneration.

Even in ancient times, when Wodan was acknowledged as the High-God of the Germanic peoples, he was not a very "popular" God. He hid himself from most, and many were glad of it. Then and even now he dwells in deep darkness and travels to the most forbidden zones of the multiverse in his eternal search for ever increasing knowledge.

As with the ancient Goths, Wodan's most essential role is as the All-Father, as the progenitor of a continuous blood-line--and through that blood-line the forger of a permanent link with humanity. The importance of blood as a symbol of what it is that is really going on in a more mysterious way is essential. The mystery and secret of Wodan is not that "knowledge" of him is passed along through clandestine cults (though this too occurs), or even through the re-discovery of old books and texts (though this happens)--but rather that such knowledge is actually encoded in a mysterious way in the DNA, in the very genetic material, of those who are descended from him. This in and of itself is an awful secret to bear--and once grasped it is a secret which has driven more than one man mad.

Runic (Mysterious) information is stored "in the blood" where it lies concealed and dormant until the right stimulus is applied from the outside which signals its activation. In this way, knowledge can seem to have been eradicated, but yet resurface again and again with no apparent, or apparently natural, connection between one manifestation and other subsequent remanifestations.

Scientists have more recently discovered the phenomenal platform for this noumenal process in the form of the double helix of the DNA molecule.

The Secret

The Gothick obsession is an obsession with the Mystery of Darkness. It is no accident, or if it is an "accident" it is a meaningful synchronicity, that the name of the mythic sorceresses of Gothic history who gave birth to the Huns was Halju-runas, which literally translated from the Gothic would be "The Mysteries of Death." The Gothick offspring have always sought to pry into the Mysteries of Life and Death, to penetrate to the depth of the self and to the outermost reaches of the darkened and chaotic world. Boldly forging into the Darkness to seek the Grail of Undefiled Wisdom, to Seek the Mystery, is the highest Quest of the Gothick Children of the Night. There is great power in the Quest, and the Quest alone.

The Gothic word for "mystery" is runa. When the Gothic bishop Ulfilas translated the Christian Bible into Gothic for use in the Gothic cult he translated the Greek word mysterion with the Gothic runa.

The practical power of this at once simple and obscure idea of mystery was once well illustrated in an episode of the popular American television series, Unsolved Mysteries. One day an out-of-work father took his sons fishing in remote forest area where they discovered some stones in the river carved with a variety of arcane symbols. The father and his sons were deeply struck by the signs--What could they mean? Who could have carved them? They went home filled with a sense of mystery and awe. Within a short time business opportunities poured the father's way and the family was soon prosperous. They attributed their good fortune to the power of the stones. (Experts from a nearby university determined that the signs were carved recently and were not Amerindian petroglyphs, although they appeared to be imitations of similar designs.) Indeed, the family had come by their turn of good fortune from the stones--but not because of the particular shapes or qualities of the signs themselves but rather because of the sense of mysterious power which had struck the father and sons upon seeing the stones.

In the coming years the value and power of the concept of pure Mystery, or the Hidden, will become more apparent as the ways of the Gothick God of Darkness begin to unfold.

That which links this world with that of the Mysterious Gothick realm is clearly symbolized by the blood. But do not mistake the symbol for the entirety of the thing itself--although it, as a true symbol, is a fractum of the thing itself. The Gothick heritage, the heritage of power and knowledge, is encoded information which is by some as yet unknown paraphysical process passed from generation to generation. Knowledge of this mode of transmitting information is among the greatest tabus in our contemporary society. The reason for this is that it represents the greatest challenge to the Christian and Modern establishments with their dependence on conventional modes for transmitting information (especially the written word). The forbidden secret of the Gothick God is that you can be informed from within, by means of innate structures, which are stimulated by actual experience in the framework of objective intellectual knowledge (undefiled wisdom). When the right constellation of individuals with this knowledge are present the Ages of Dependence--on Medieval Churches or Modern Governments--will begin to come to an end. One of the chief signs of the dawn of the emerging new paradigm will come on the fifth of May in the year 2000.

The Gothick God of Darkness is the Unknown God, the Hidden God--and hence the God of unknown and hidden things. His actions are hidden because he is hidden. Mere words cannot reveal this information, only Words (the hidden forms behind a certain key concepts) can do this. It is these which hold the secrets of eternal consciousness and power beyond death. Look, you see it before you now! If you see it, you must work to realize it within--and having mastered it there, to realize it without.

In his landmark work The Postmodern Condition the French critic Jean-Francois Lyotard has some interesting things to say about the character of knowledge and the unknown in the coming years: Postmodern science--by concerning itself with such things as undecidables, the limits of precise control, conflicts characterized by incomplete information, 'fracta,' catastrophes and pragmatic paradoxes--is theorizing its own evolution as discontinuous, catastrophic, non-rectifiable, and paradoxical. It is changing the meaning of the word knowledge, while expressing how such a change can take place. It is producing not the known, but the unknown. (p. 60)

Among the unknown things which will be produced in the Unmanifest zone, which the profane call "the future," will be the engendering of a new Gothick realm which will be none other than the remanifestation of the elder realm. As yet it lives in a crimson darkness, but in the spiraling tower the Gothick God waits and watches as those who will call his realm forth work their wills upon the world.

Reyn til Runa!

Okiereddust

2003-06-08 01:31 | User Profile

Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 7 2003, 16:26 In his landmark work The Postmodern Condition the French critic Jean-Francois Lyotard has some interesting things to say about the character of knowledge and the unknown in the coming years: Postmodern science--by concerning itself with such things as undecidables, the limits of precise control, conflicts characterized by incomplete information, 'fracta,' catastrophes and pragmatic paradoxes--is theorizing its own evolution as discontinuous, catastrophic, non-rectifiable, and paradoxical. It is changing the meaning of the word knowledge, while expressing how such a change can take place. It is producing not the known, but the unknown. (p. 60)

You don't really believe this pap from the guy Leotard, do you? Leotard was one of the major guys parodied by the physcists Sokal, who wrote a tongue in cheek article (re: the sokal hoax, I'll get the link) that the law of gravity was a tool of oppression, and that scientists needed to be liberated from its ideological blinders.

The first postmodernism was that of the Frankfurt School, and a strongly Jewish deconstructionism inherited its first wave, but the white multiculturalists/ postmodernists can, as we can see by this forum can, although they seem at times equally silly, can also be just as subservsive of morality and western culture.

Okiereddust

2003-06-08 01:37 | User Profile

Originally posted by Bardamu@Jun 7 2003, 15:41 That is why White Christians must put race first, above even their beloved religion. They must agree with other White nationalists that what we are is White, what we are is the European race, what we are is defined in biological terms and that what we are fighting for is the survival of that racial heritage and the culture that our race created and that it alone can sustain and move forward to its destiny. Race comes first. Race is how we must define ourselves. Whites of other religions are still "us." Non-Whites, even if they share our religious beliefs, can never be "us." Any other approach is suicide.

How does this comport with the overwhelming white nationalist support for Serbia over Kosovo, and to a lessor extent, Bosnia? The NS's themselves don't really believe this. That's why I say they are really largely just white multiculturalists and postmodernists.

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-08 02:48 | User Profile

Originally posted by Okiereddust@Jun 7 2003, 21:31 > Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 7 2003, 16:26 In his landmark work The Postmodern Condition the French critic Jean-Francois Lyotard has some interesting things to say about the character of knowledge and the unknown in the coming years: Postmodern science--by concerning itself with such things as undecidables, the limits of precise control, conflicts characterized by incomplete information, 'fracta,' catastrophes and pragmatic paradoxes--is theorizing its own evolution as discontinuous, catastrophic, non-rectifiable, and paradoxical. It is changing the meaning of the word knowledge, while expressing how such a change can take place. It is producing not the known, but the unknown. (p. 60)**

I'm familiar with the Sokal Hoax, makes me laugh every time to see academia get what it deserves and get caught with its pants down. :lol:

These are some big questions, and ones I've sort of found interesting since I began investigating "postmodernism" around my senior year of college, after taking a seminar comparing the works of Nietzsche and the Marquis de Sade. :lol: I can imagine the looks on some people's faces after reading that. Don't worry, this gets better. Bear with me.

I guess I'll start by bearing my cynicism and brutal truth--one of my minors in grad school for my M.A. was in the Theory and Cultural Studies section of the English department--I bridged it with my other minor, Political Theory, in the Political Science department. My major exam field was International Relations.

Want to know why I did this? Well, it was "trendy," and even if you don't believe it, I figured it would provide me with the pass key into the professoriate. In other words, I was going to "infiltrate" academia, and it's easy to do because the whole damn thing is corrupt. A friend of mine in the English department who thought postmodernism was B.S. laughed about this and told me I was pulling a Second Sokal Hoax. :lol:

Another reason why I did this is because along the way I figured that the postmodern critique of "totalizing metanarratives" might be useful, since the New World Order and globalism are big-time "totalizing structures." I wanted to use these tools to subvert the NWO. The Jews did create them to subvert Western Civilization, but the Jews replaced the traditional order with their own order that they claim has "universal validity," so I decided that I would in turn "deconstruct" their little pet "narratives." What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

Now, do I really believe in it? Well, not unless I can get some mileage out of it against my political opponents. I guess I'm just shameless. :lol: I like having all kinds of options at my disposal to use in defense of the things I think are worth defending. I suppose I just see postmodernism as a sort of tool or gimmick that one can use on those who are susceptible to it (like the Jedi mind trick on Star Wars). The whole idea behind pomo stuff is that there's nothing really "behind" it anyway grounding it, so it's a neutral device that anyone can pick up and use to raise hell (no pun intended...but we're getting to that). :lol:

Thorsson, in this article here in this thread you quoted from, is only using Lyotard's quote for a specific reason. You see, Thorsson is not only a follower of the pagan ways of the North, but he's also an adherent of what's known as "the Left-Hand Path," which is basically a rebellion against notions of "cosmic authority." Sort of the "Luciferian" impulse to resist obligations to "worship." It's the aspect of the "cosmic rebel." That's why Thorsson says he doesn't worship Odin, since that would be beneath Thorsson as an independent being in his own right, but seeks to emulate Odin as an equal.

The reason why Thorsson would bring Lyotard into any of this has to do with a certain conception of the universe that people like him have. There are certain brands of physicists and other scientists who claim that the universe emerges into being from a shapeless chaos, called "the implicate order." Thorsson would probably call this "Darkness" because it has no pre-set limits and contains potential, as well as elements of the dangerous and the uncontrollable, the unpredictable, etc. There's a book on this sort of cosmology called *The Holographic Universe" that covers this kind of thing. The upshot of it is that people like this cosmology because they believe that it's possible for "the parts to influence the whole" since they think everything is interconnected and intermeshed through this "implicate order." They believe they can use their "wills" to influence how the "implicate order" actually "emerges" into reality. In other words, they think there's a scientific basis for humans to work acts of magic.

I could be wrong in my interpretation of the above, but that's the best I can do from things I've read and come across. Well, it probably sounds crazy, but hey, it's a viewpoint. [ Gee, isn't that postmodern of me to say that? :lol: ]

Anyway, there is one question I do have for you, and that's about a term you used called "white multiculturalists." How exactly do you see certain Whites here being "multiculturalists?" I take multiculturalism to mean that they set Western culture as equal in value and worth to say, the culture of the Aztecs or the Arabs or the Africans and such. I'm not sure I've seen anyone here doing quite that. What did you mean by it?

Walter E Kurtz

2003-06-09 17:38 | User Profile

Originally posted by Octopod@Jun 9 2003, 11:17 ** Great pictures, Mr. Strom.

I have a question regarding your organization's views on religious freedom. It's been rumored on this forum that the National Alliance plans to suppress all Semitic religions -- and that all forms of Christianity are included in this category. Now, some kinds of Christianity are clearly the opposite of Semitic; more accurately they are "anti-Semitic." I really can't see how the traditional Christianity of, say, Codreanu's Iron Guard or Leon Degrelle and the Rexists can be lumped with "Christian Zionism." My question is whether the NA will always respect the religious freedom of non-Semitic Christians. IMO, this could be crucial in avoiding future religious conflicts within the WN movement. I believe that there should be religious freedom among Nationalists. We can then rise above the distractions and unite against our real enemies. **

Octopod:

I don't mean to "hijack" this thread...but I was wondering if there were any texts about the "Iron Guard" and the Croation Ustashe that you might reccomend. There seems to be an absence of good information available about the Christian fascist movements in Eastern Europe.

Texas Dissident

2003-06-09 18:02 | User Profile

Note: I split this topic so this thread in Christianity and Christendom can deal directly with the subject raised in Mr. Strom's article.

The National Alliance/Extremist debate now has its own thread in Miscellaneous.

Hopefully, this will be more functional for the two current debates.

Texas Dissident

2003-06-09 18:28 | User Profile

Originally posted by Bardamu@Jun 7 2003, 10:41 **With geographic Europe, and racial Europe, almost universally Christian, Europe became Christendom. And, for all practical purposes, the White race thought of itself as Christendom. And, although in a diminished sense, many of us still think that way today. Even in White nationalist circles, where our sense of racial identity must be strongest if we are to lead our people to freedom and security, we find such thinking is very common. **

To my mind, this essay by Mr. Strom does pose an interesting question. Granted the white race existed before Christ's life, death on the cross and resurrection, but would the highest examples of white Western civilization's culture and achievement have arisen if whites were still dancing around Stonehenge instead of laboring under the Cross. That's the key question.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-09 19:37 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jun 9 2003, 12:28 ** To my mind, this essay by Mr. Strom does pose an interesting question. Granted the white race existed before Christ's life, death on the cross and resurrection, but would the highest examples of white Western civilization's culture and achievement have arisen if whites were still dancing around Stonehenge instead of laboring under the Cross. That's the key question. **

My personal feelings of the issue aside, I can honestly say no. Western and Byzantine Civilizations were both mixtures of ancient Indo-European traditions with Christianity serving as some kind of catalyst. The morality of Western civilization, its art, its science and its philosophy are all to a greater or lesser extent indebted to Christianity.

Ragnar

2003-06-09 19:50 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jun 9 2003, 18:28 ** Granted the white race existed before Christ's life, death on the cross and resurrection, but would the highest examples of white Western civilization's culture and achievement have arisen if whites were still dancing around Stonehenge instead of laboring under the Cross. That's the key question. **

Umm... It is an interesting question, but characterizing pre-Christian European civilization as dancing around Stonehenge might be a historical sore point for some.

From Sumer and Catal Huyuk on, the pagan European peoples were distinguished by discipline, fair play, honor and a creative sense of play (okay, dancing around Myceneaen megaliths!)

Most of European art, architecture, science and philosophy was crafted and sometimes reached high achievements well before Christ. The Greeks even understood atomic theory and Egyptians performed brain surgery.

It's correct for Christians to assume all good things start in Galilee in AD One. But all Christian civilization was based on what came before and sometimes we forget that.

Texas Dissident

2003-06-09 21:14 | User Profile

Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 9 2003, 14:50 It is an interesting question, but characterizing pre-Christian European civilization as dancing around Stonehenge** might be a historical sore point for some. **

Well, I hope you recognized my attempt at humor.

That and a little dig at wintermute, who does know how much I enjoy him. Seriously, after going at it with all the atheists I long for a return of the pagans. Like C.S. Lewis said, at least there's some meat on those bones.

whitehomeland

2003-06-13 05:45 | User Profile

I do not want to insult anyone that considers himself to be a "Christian." I recognize you as a white nationalists. However I believe that anyone that considers himself a white nationalist and a "Christian" is still under the control of Jewish thought. The purpose of this essay is to explain how Christianity is slave morality. If anyone wants to email me to reply my address is: whitehomeland2003@yahoo.com

The Jews do not "hate" Christianity. Why should they? It is based on the negative concept that they have created for people outside of their society. The Jews believe that the are "gods chosen" and everyone else is corrupt because man has a fallen nature ever since he was kicked out of the Garden of eden. The Jews want to impose the negative concept that they have created for everyone outside of their society because they are hostile to the nationalism of any other group. The Jews recognize that the Will to power exists through people acting collectively to further their society's interests. They want to be the only society that possess the will to power. The Jews want to be the only society with a concept that they are exceptional. This is why Jews want everyone else to be "racially color blind" and always promote equality whenever they live amongst other people. ( Maxism, liberalism, animal rights, feminism are all secular versions of Chrstianity) They all preach equality in some form and No Aryan should believe in any of it.

The original white societies were the Pagan societies of antiquity (Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Sumeria, The Celts, the Germanic Tribes, etc) These white societies created a postive concept of the differences that exist between themselves and other people. They were conscious of themselves being a part of a unique community, with a unique set of political interests. Since they recognized that they were different, the Pagans did the things necessary to preserve the unique society that they had created. The elite of these societies ruled to preserve the best interests of the society and not throught their own selfish need for pleasure. The common people's self worth was so closely identified with the continued health of their society that they were willing to sacrifice their lives for the good of their nation. The pagans believed that it was very important for the next generation to be taught the history and culture of the society and they took the necessary steps to ensure that theire way of life was passed to the next generation. For documentation of pagan civic mindness read Machiavelli's "The Discourses".

Paul of Tarsus was a racially conscious Jew that tricked the Pagan society's in antiquity from the positive concept that they created for themselves within their own culture into believing in the negative concept that they Jews have created for them. After Jesus died all of his apostles tried to convert other Jews into believing that Jesus was the messiah. However Paul (at this time he called himself Saul) persecuted these original Jewish Christians because did not want his countrymen believing in Jesus teachings about loving everyone and pray for those that persecute you. Instead he wanted to convert the pagans to Jesus's teachings so that he could corrupt their society. He traveled around the Mediterrean visiting different pagan society's and told the Pagans that Jesus teachings "pray for those that persecute you", "blessed be the peacemakers", and "love your enemy" meant that Christianity was about hating the strong and the powerful. Paul told them that if they converted to Christianity then they would get revenge on the Romans for conquering their country and making them pay tribute to Rome. Maybe they would not get revenge in this life but certainly in the next. The Romans were resented by the other pagan society's just like America is resented by a lot of nations today because we are the only super power and the Pagans were receptive to Paul of Tarsus's message.

By marketing Christianity as an ideology that preaches hatred towards the strong, Paul of Tarsus was able to convert the Pagans from believing in their Pagans indenties into believing in the negative concept that the Jews have created for everyone outside of their society. Eventually Rome got converted into believing in Christianity and their empire collasped. They no longer had a positive concept of being Roman. Instead Christianity told them that all of their desires and motives were evil and had to be repressed. The elite stopped being proud of their status and started to feel guilty. They become decadent and lazy.

Christianity preaches the idea that god loves everyone because we are all created in gods image. Jesus says this on the Sermon on the Mount Speech. Under Christianity the Romans were told that they were no different from any other group of people. Since the Romans no longer had a positive concept of the differences that existed between themselves and other people. The common people stopped caring about the unique society that they had created because they were told that everyone is really the same. What different does it make if you are a Roman or a barbarian if god loves everyone. The result was the eventual collaspe of the Roman Empire and a thousand year dark ages.

I would like you Christian identiy people to show me some evidence that Aryans originated in Isreal and that you have anything in common with Isrealites in the Old Testament. It is so obvious that you people have nothing in common with the Isrealites in the Old Testament that you people are a joke to the rest of the world. If Anglo-Saxons really descended from Isreal how come when the Christians finally conquered the Pagan Anglo saxons there was nothing about their culture that resembes the culture of the people in the old testamenet. The pagan anglo-saxons were polytheistic and did not celebrate any holidays that are even remotely similiar to the events in the old testament. Another example that you people have nothing in common with the "Isrealites" in the old Testament, middle English and old English are not languages even remotely similiar hebrew. Usually when people move apart their languages will begin to change but their are still some similiarities. French, spanish, Italian are all "romance languages". They are very similiar to each other. English and German have certain common charactoristic because of their people lived closely to each other. All of these languages come from latin. Not from any language that was spoken during the old testament.

You people claim that the bible has been corrupted by jews. When did this happen? As I already mentioned, Paul of Tarsus was a Jew. He spread the religion to the Pagans after Jesus died and many of the letters in the new testament were written by him. In his letter to the Colassians Paul says "regardless whether one is a greek or jew, circumcised or uncircumsied, bond or free, christ loves all". This means that Christ is not just your savior but eveyone's savior. He loves everyone not just Isrealites. Jesus loves white nationalists just as much as he loves crack smoking welfare mothers. Does this sound like an ideology that we should believe in?

Christianity is a very racially unheathy way of living because it advocates the idea that god loves everyone and that their is a universal reality that transcends the different cultures that man creates. These ideas make people that believe in Christianity, deny that their are any positive differences that exist between themselves and other people. Therefore they do not do the thinks necessary to preserve the unique society that they have created. During the thousand year dark age the best minds in Europe wasted their lives shut up in some monastery philosophizing about spooks in the sky. They did not lead the common people or take part in politics because they thought that being good meant being too good for this world. They did not even marry because Christian reinterpretates all of their desires as being evil and impure.

I think that Creativity is the best ideology for the White Race. It is not about a metaphysical spook in the sky. It is about each white person working for the best interest of the white race. It is based on common sense and experience.

Walter E Kurtz

2003-06-13 06:20 | User Profile

*Originally posted by whitehomeland@Jun 12 2003, 23:45 * ** I do not want to insult anyone that considers himself to be a "Christian." I recognize you as a white nationalists. However I believe that anyone that considers himself a white nationalist and a "Christian" is still under the control of Jewish thought. The purpose of this essay is to explain how Christianity is slave morality. If anyone wants to email me to reply my address is: whitehomeland2003@yahoo.com

This was a great post until you mentioned "Creativity". I have long felt that anti-Semitism in the West endured through the ages IN SPITE of Christianity. That said, the West has incorporated Chrisitanity into its cultural fabric for two millenia...the Faith has in fact become a Western faith.

Creativity is promulgated by maladjusted, emotionally disturbed, egomaniacs like Matt Hale. However, I do get a kick out of the fact that Hale likes to call himself the "Pontifex Maximus". Hale is one of the "useless idiots" that prevent White Nationalism from becoming viable as a mainstream, grass roots, political movement. People like this are the best friend that the Jew ever had.

Ragnar

2003-06-13 18:57 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Walter E Kurtz@Jun 13 2003, 06:20 * ** However, I do get a kick out of the fact that Hale likes to call himself the "Pontifex Maximus". Hale is one of the "useless idiots" that prevent White Nationalism from becoming viable as a mainstream, grass roots, political movement. People like this are the best friend that the Jew ever had. **

I don't have my notes handy, but wasn't "Pontifex Maximus" a Roman title before Christians assimilated it? Specifically I think PM was one of the emperor's titles because he was head of the faith as well as head of state.

There are "White Nationalist" organizations that always struck me as funhouse mirror images of real organizations, as if on some fundamental level they were created to discredit any sort of white solidarity.

Patrick

2003-06-13 19:04 | User Profile

.....I'm not "identity", but how's this?

.....It is a matter of inspired record that God placed Ã¢â¬ÅmarksÃ¢â¬Â on His people Israel. During the Christian dispensation, Ã¢â¬ÅlostÃ¢â¬Â Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So then, if we can discover the nations and peoples that possess these marks, we have found the people whom God chose to sere Him to be a channel of blessing to all mankind. There are many God-given marks; the list I am providing is not exhaustive, but they constitute a chain of evidence that only the unlearned can ignore.

.....One race of mankind, and one race alone, has all of these marks. With few exceptions, Joseph, (the birthright nation), was the recipient of them all. By inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim, (Great Britain), and Manasseh, (USA), will be found possessing them all.

.....While Israelites remain in other countries, (such as Benjamin of Iceland), America is the home of millions of all the thirteen tribes, (E pluribus unum meaning, Ã¢â¬Åout of many, oneÃ¢â¬Â), and thus is representative of the whole house of Jacob. We are bound by IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s responsibilities, fulfilling IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s destiny. The MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our SABBATH; in our INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our WEALTH; in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in our MISSIONARY; in our ENTERPRISES; in our ARMED FORCES; in our POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE; all BIRTHMARKS, which neither time, nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.

Israel to be a great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7, 8.
Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26;4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12.

3.Israel to spread abroad to the west, east, north and south. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

Israel to have a new home.> II Sam. 7:10; I Chron. 17:9.
IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s home to be north - west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.
Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

7.Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:Ã¢â¬Â4-6, 15, 16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

Israel to have a Davidic King, (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). II Sam. 7:13, 19; II Chron. 22:10; II Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.
Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8, 9.
Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8: 54:3: 58:11, 12.
Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.
Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.
Israel to be the first among nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.
Israel to continue as a nation forever. II Sam 7:16, 24, 29; I Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.
IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s home to be invincible by outside forces. II Sam7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.
Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.
Israel to be GodÃ¢â¬â¢s instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.
Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.
Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28: 33:13, 14, 28.
Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.
Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9
Israel to lend to other nations. Deut. 15:6; 28:12.
Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.
Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11.
Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.
Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12; Jer. 31:7.
Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5.
Israel to have a new covenant. Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Lue 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.
Israel to lose all trace of her lineage (vital) Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.
Israel to keep the Sabbath forever, (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.
Israel to be called the sons of God, (i.e. accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.
Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8; 44:1-3; 49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.
Israel to be the custodians of the oracles, (Scriptures), of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59:21.
Israel to carry the gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12, (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.
Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.
Israel to be heir to the world. Rom. 4:13.
Israel to be GodÃ¢â¬â¢s glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.
Israel to possess GodÃ¢â¬â¢s Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.
Israel to be GodÃ¢â¬â¢s Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; II Sam. 7:23; I Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14-18.
Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.

whitehomeland

2003-06-13 19:07 | User Profile

I agee with you that in order for white nationalists to be successful at converting non racially conscouis white people we must change our image. No non racially conscious white person is going to listen to a speech if the speaker is dressed in a nazi uniform giving the Roman solute. There are a lot of people in the white nationalist movement that are undisciplined and make us look foolish.

I am not saying that everything about CREATIVITY is perfect. I think that the core idea in CREATIVITY is that the highest value for white people should be whatever is good for the white race. The is a much healthier idea than worshipping a metaphysical spook in the sky.

Patrick

2003-06-13 19:21 | User Profile

Ã¢â¬ÂYou people claim that the bible has been corrupted by jews. When did this happen? As I already mentioned, Paul of Tarsus was a Jew. He spread the religion to the Pagans after Jesus died and many of the letters in the new testament were written by him. In his letter to the Colassians Paul says Ã¢â¬Åregardless whether one is a greek or jew, circumcised or uncircumsied, bond or free, christ loves allÃ¢â¬Â. This means that Christ is not just your savior but eveyoneÃ¢â¬â¢s savior. He loves everyone not just Isrealites. Jesus loves white nationalists just as much as he loves crack smoking welfare mothers. Does this sound like an ideology that we should believe in?Ã¢â¬Â

Nonsense...

.....Paul was a Bejaminite; that the sentence says, Ã¢â¬ÅI am a Ã¢â¬ËjewÃ¢â¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â, is true, but should be rendered Ã¢â¬ÅJudeanÃ¢â¬Â, speaking to his geographic location, as a Ã¢â¬ÅTexanÃ¢â¬Â does to one in Texas... you seem to be the one believing Ã¢â¬ÅjewishÃ¢â¬Â lies with the above; they attempt to claim Paul, but did he not come out of the pharisee deception, once Our Father put him on his face? He didnÃ¢â¬â¢t preach Ã¢â¬ÅjudaismÃ¢â¬Â, but against it, and the Book of Acts details his trials at the hands of them; further, when he spoke of Ã¢â¬Åneither Ã¢â¬ËjewÃ¢â¬â¢ nor GreekÃ¢â¬Â, that is not what Scripture says, and again, is addressing all Israelites, (as opposed to Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â, whom Scripture identifies as the kenites, or, sons of Cain), being no different and does not speak to the other races, much less the crackhead slugs among them...

.....Is the only explanation of Scripture you know the one that comes from Hale and his predecessor? If so, you have been profoundly misled; Matt Hale understands even less about Scripture than does my German shephard...

whitehomeland

2003-06-13 20:25 | User Profile

Jews are the Isrealites. There is no evidence that white people lived in Judea.

Just look at the behavior in the old testament of The "Isrealites". Tell me if this seems to you like Aryan behaviour or Jew behaviour.

Abraham tells the Pharoah that his wife sara is his sister. The Pharoah takes sarah into his court. Then Abraham tells god that the Pharoah has taken his wife. Does pimping your wife to someone else sound like Aryan behavior.

Patrick

2003-06-13 21:02 | User Profile

.....So you're saying that Abraham is descended from his great-grandson? :lol:

whitehomeland

2003-06-13 22:21 | User Profile

What the hell are you babbling about? Was your last post in reference to the previous post that I wrote? If it was in refeerence to my previous post then I suggest you read my post again. I said that Abraham pimped his wife sarah to the Pharoah. I did not say that he was descended from his great grandson. I suppose you are probably going to claim that the Jews conspired at an undisclosed time to create false stories about Abraham. Most of your posts make no sense. You probably have a 5th grade education.

:dung:

Patrick

2003-06-14 04:56 | User Profile

whitehomeland...

.....Apologies; I was reading too many posts and pms at once, and you, at one point said "Moses was a 'jew'", (I don't believe that would be considered a privacy brooch, as far as netiquette goes); the logical conclusion, without counting too far backward, was that Abraham would also be considered a "jew", (hence, the above reference), which, from the "accepted" meaning of the root of "jew", the majority "believe" it is "of the tribe of Judah", which is only fractionally correct, and widely misrepresented... the very term, in my opinion, is Scripturally invalid...

.....You know; I have to wonder why so many people that hate Christianity hang out in forum rooms designed for the discussion thereof... don't get me wrong; I enjoy the opposition, (particularly when one's position is as easily demolished as is your's), and much comes out of a discussion with you folks in strong opposition... You wish to take a good whack at Christianity? Hell, that's just my game; but please do make at least a modest attempt at civility... it wouldn't matter that you were arguing the position of the earth being round, but the nastiness on these boards is already quite overdone without your contribution in reference to my "fifth grade education"; I believe I can hold my own with you in both History, and Scripture, and I'll throw in geopolitcs just so you can fully put your intellectual skills on display... these deeper discussions often take time to develop, if they are to be worthwhile and immediate antagonism does no position any justice; I submit you are in no position to even comprehend the fullness of my position, (I doubt you're familiar with Scriptural understanding, from the few posts you have yet submitted), so relax, and we'll see who it is that can justify their respective position on a given issue...

Patrick

2003-06-14 16:40 | User Profile

You know...

.....It doesn't pay to post too late when at the end of a long, long week; for some reason, when I read "Moses", my mind clicked over "Noah", (yes, I've even heard that one)... no excuse, but I have dealt with this mindless "the prophets were all "jews" and the Israelites were all "jews", along with the blasphemous "Christ was a 'jew'" so many times that it falls just short of an afterthought to respond... They were not at all "jews" and I will be happy to explain as time permits...

whitehomeland

2003-06-16 13:56 | User Profile

I apologize for being uncivil. You are right about me being rude. I am sorry. I enjoy arguing that is why I post on board designed for the discussion of Christianity.

I will say one positive thing at least you are able to defend you point of view. A lot of CI believers just post someone elses essays and have no originality of their own.

whitehomeland

2003-06-16 14:09 | User Profile

The bible says that Abraham pimps his wife Sarah to the Pharoah and then God blames the Pharoah. Does this sounds like something that an Aryan would do? It is an act that the Jews would do.

Lot has sex with his Daughter. Does this sound like an act that an Aryan would do?

David has sex with another mans wife and then sends that man to fight a war so that he will never return. Does this sound like an act that an Aryan would do?

Patrick

2003-06-16 17:16 | User Profile

Ã¢â¬ÂThe bible says that Abraham pimps his wife Sarah to the Pharoah and then God blames the Pharoah. Does this sounds like something that an Aryan would do? It is an act that the Jews would do.Ã¢â¬Â

.....ThaÃ¢â¬â¢s not exactly what was being put forth; Abraham was tricking him into believing something other than reality, in an attempt to secure his, (and his wifeÃ¢â¬â¢s), lives... You arenÃ¢â¬â¢t reading this in Scripture, but in your Ã¢â¬ÅbibleÃ¢â¬Â from Klaussen, right? Did you bother to check to see if that which he asserts for you is truly in there? Did you read the Scripture very carefully, cross-referencing to the original languages with a concordance? I didnÃ¢â¬â¢t think so... :)

Ã¢â¬ÂLot has sex with his Daughter. Does this sound like an act that an Aryan would do?Ã¢â¬Â

.....Again, not exactly; LotÃ¢â¬â¢s daughters thought he was the last man standing, and they wanted a child; was not Lot abhorred at what had occurred?

Ã¢â¬ÂDavid has sex with another mans wife and then sends that man to fight a war so that he will never return. Does this sound like an act that an Aryan would do?Ã¢â¬Â

.....And David was in profound error; there is still a lesson to be gained...

Ã¢â¬ÂRemember this: You only need written laws and rules where decency and integrety, honor and chivalry do not exist anymore as comon virtues.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Granted, The Laws are written on our hearts, which is why we have a conscience; even still, there are many whites that violate The Law, and we, as a nation, violate enough of them to today be under judgement, which is why the Ã¢â¬ÅtaleÃ¢â¬Â has become the Ã¢â¬ÅheadÃ¢â¬Â and wags us unmercifully...

*Ã¢â¬ÂTake the 10 Commandments: Do you think a European - would have needed such instructions:

Ã¢â¬â¢You shall not covet your neighborÃ¢â¬â¢s house; you shall not covet your neighborÃ¢â¬â¢s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighborÃ¢â¬â¢s.Ã¢â¬â¢ Ã¢â¬Å*

.....And there are a great number of whites that today violate this at will, so yes, they do, indeed, need this Law...

Ã¢â¬ÂÃ¢â¬â¢You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.Ã¢â¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â

.....DonÃ¢â¬â¢t we see evidence of how so many whites today violate this in every Ã¢â¬ÅcourtÃ¢â¬Â in the land? Am I to assume from this that whites do not lie?

Ã¢â¬ÂÃ¢â¬â¢Honor your father and your mother.Ã¢â¬â¢ (!!!!!!!)Ã¢â¬Â

.....From the fifties forward, there has been a steadily growing segment that was in violation of this Law; you are living in America, arenÃ¢â¬â¢t you? You do have eyes, do you not?

Ã¢â¬ÂÃ¢â¬â¢You shall not murder.Ã¢â¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â

.....The Law given to caucasian Israelites was the very opposite from that which instructs the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â in their talmud...

Ã¢â¬ÂÃ¢â¬â¢You shall not commit adultery.Ã¢â¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â

.....The actual command was Ã¢â¬ÅThou shalt not adulterateÃ¢â¬Â; this is far more encompassing than the presently accepted, albeit erroneous, understanding... it means you are not to Ã¢â¬Åwater downÃ¢â¬Â anything, be it the marriage contract, any business contract, the truth, (particulalry YHVHÃ¢â¬â¢s Word), and ultimately, we are forbidden from Ã¢â¬ÅadulteratingÃ¢â¬Â our blood, by mixing it with the heathen nations; this command is a prohibition against the destructive and genocidal act of race-mixing, which has led to the destruction of many nations in the worldÃ¢â¬â¢s History...

Ã¢â¬ÂÃ¢â¬â¢You shall not steal.Ã¢â¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â

.....Again, are you suggesting that whites have a natural aversion to thievery?

Ã¢â¬ÂYou didnÃ¢â¬â¢t need to tell a Teuton to respect women or his parents. That was a matter of course.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Nonsense; the very reason that it was a Ã¢â¬Åmatter of courseÃ¢â¬Â is due to so many generations being reared under YHVHÃ¢â¬â¢s Divine Law... youÃ¢â¬â¢ve put the cart before the horse here; our law extends further back than even Sinai, as the code of Hammarabi was grounded in YHVHÃ¢â¬â¢s Law, and was most likely brought forth, even from the garden, despite no mention of such from Scripture...

Ã¢â¬ÂAnd most of all:Ã¢â¬â¢Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.Ã¢â¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â

.....I doubt you even know the meaning of sabbath...

Ã¢â¬ÂEvery word, every name mentioned in this religion screams at you Ã¢â¬ÅJUDEA!Ã¢â¬Â.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Which still, has absolutely nothing to do with the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â, save that which they completely misrepresent in the name of usurpation...

Avalanche

2003-06-17 01:09 | User Profile

Patrick, you're missing the entire point! You wrote: ...great number of whites that today ...so many whites today violate this ...Form the fifties forward

This would be in TOTALLY JUDAIZED AMERICA?!?! None of this is Aryan behaviour, there are very few people "today" who are inculcated with Aryan behaviour and mores.

You only need written laws and rules where decency and integrety, honor and chivalry do not exist anymore as comon virtues. Thank you Leland Gaunt! :th:

Find me a tribe of Aryans under that oak tree!

Patrick

2003-06-17 02:56 | User Profile

Avalanche...

.....Actually, I see the point all too clearly; my point is, is that these people don't even know who they are... they live a lie that has been painted for them since childhood and they need to have someone teach them something; the point you seem to be missing is that "Aryan", (Teuton, Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Celtic and Kindred peoples), people are the Scriptural Israel, and can certainly be so demonstrated from the History/Archeology, as well as adding the anthopological evidence... No, one cannot digest it all in twenty minutes, and as a result, it escapes the attention span of these that you and I agree are "judaized", (ptooe!!!); if we can get them to know how they've been taken, there are those that will come out... those of you that already know, merely need to learn "who's who in the zoo", so to speak, and realize that Scripture is completely validated with this picture, but when all of the "audience" is told that the bad guy is the white hat, ("jews" are YHVH's chosen, which they are not only not so, but the exact opposite), then everybody is at a disadvantage until the stage players are properly identified... those of you that are atheist/agnostic, need to realize that your natural abhorrance of these powderpuffs that are "supposed" to be Christian, (but are not), is correct at its inception, and see that it is due to your inherent "Aryan", (for lack of a better term), instinct, because you are Israel in Scripture, who had The Law "printed" on your heart, (regardless the fact that such turns Leland's stomach), but Scripture is true and the assault foretold in Ezekiel 38 that these pseudo-Christian of the "judeo" variety see as occurring in the ME is already wrapping up right here in the country that Our Father promised to move us to, even in King David's day... There is prohetic utterance defining the very trees that would be in our "new land" that are only found as described here...

.....It won't happen, however, if those even among our brethren, speak wholesale against their heritage, simply due to their ignorance of the reality thereof, as opposed to the picture that your recognized enemy has painted before your eyes; their enemy is the Christian, but they're quite happy to have you act as the buffer, nay, aggressor against, albeit, falsely... I hope I was able to type this so as to be understood; if not, I would welcome your edifying questioning...

whitehomeland

2003-06-17 03:40 | User Profile

You do not read classical Greek or Hebrew and I highly doubt that any of the inbred rednecks at Aryan Nations can either so I do not need to cross reference the bible to the original language. Everyone knows that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Paul of Tarsus are jews. Everyone but the retards living in Idaho that make white nationalism look like a retarded philosophy by claiming that they are artificial Jews. You people need to go to psychologist to work out all of the envy that you have for the Jews. You wish you were a Jew. I bet you go out in public with a Yalmuke. ( I think that I spelled it wrong).

You still have not shown any proof that Aryans were in Israel 2000 years ago.

You have not shown any proof that the lost tribes of Israel traveled to England or to America. Where is your evidence?

IF the bible has been changed by Jews, then when did this happen? What proof do you have? If it has been changed, does that not show that Christianity has not been able to create within white people and concept that we have a unique society to preserve. In one of your other posts you mentioned to me that there has never been a history of the white race. You asked me the rhetorical question Why?

Let me answer you by stating this.

The original white societies were the Pagan societies of antiquity (ancient Greece, Rome, Sumeria, Celts, Germanic.) These white society's did possess a positive idea about the differences between themselves and other people. They did the things neccessary to preserve their culture. However Paul of Tarsus was a racially conscious Jew that tricked the Pagan societies into adopting Christianity. Christianity is the negative concept that Jews have created for People outside of their society. They think that they are "gods chosen" and they think that everyone else is corrupt, unethical, and unclean. Christianity agrees with Judiasm that man is corrupt and that all of man's desires are impure and immoral. Christianity tells the Aryan that if he adopts the Jewish god as his saviour then his wicked nature is redeemed. Any Aryan that believes in the homosexual Jew god Jesus is going from the positive concept that his culture created for him into the negative concept that the Jews have created for him.

Once the Roman Empire collasped (as a result of Christianity destroying their common identity as Romans), Christians wanted to destroy any evidence that the pagans had ever created a culture of their own. They destroyed all of the pagan Temples. The Christians destroyed the Pagan library in Alexandria. They destroyed the books of a lot of pagan philosophers. It was only after 14th century Ad that the destruction done by the Christians to the Pagans was undone and Europeans started to appreciate what the Pagans had created. That is what the term Renniasance means. If there has never been a history of the white race it is because stupid, jealous, Jewish controlled Christians like you destroyed it. Also each one of the pagan societies considered itself to be seperate society.

Can you show any evidence that these early Christians believed that Jesus was an Aryan?

By the way, I have never met Ben klassen or Matt Hale. I have read the Bible and I have read Fredrick Nietzsche.

Patrick

2003-06-17 04:44 | User Profile

"You do not read classical Greek or Hebrew and I highly doubt that any of the inbred rednecks at Aryan Nations can either so I do not need to cross reference the bible to the original language. Everyone knows that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Paul of Tarsus are jews."

Well...

.....I had said earlier that your position is easily demolished; allow me to demonstrate...

.....You have not the first clue of that which I do, or do not, read; I believe we just met... I do, indeed, study my Scirpture in the original languages, and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to do so; all one needs are the proper tools with which to work... The problem isn't so much what we don't know, but what we know that simply isn't so; your wayward assertion of "everybody knows that Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Paul are 'jews'" proves it... you don't seem to comprehend who is who, either in the world, or the Scriptural History thereof, but I assure you, I can and will demonstrate exactly that which you question, (btw; it's "yarmulke")...

"You still have not shown any proof that Aryans were in Israel 2000 years ago."

.....Nor could anyone; there was no land called "Israel" then, as Scriptural Israel is a peoples, (you, silly!), as opposed to a piece of real estate, despite the "jew's" lies to the contrary... you need to research folks like E. Raymond Capt for his archeological work of recent, and the thread in which I took part, (which I provided you), had you the endurance to read it, would have shown a number of irrefutable Historical proofs of this nature, which is but a small sampling; they, (we) were, indeed, all over the planet, hence, the founding of civilization even among the fetus eaters in China, (and they said they invented gunpowder and screenprinting, fat chance)...

"You have not shown any proof that the lost tribes of Israel traveled to England or to America. Where is your evidence?"

.....It's rather "off-topic" for this thread, but if you get the blessing of the thread originator, we could do it here, or start another thread; frankly, I'm rather taken aback that some of you don't know these things with the concern for your brethren that is obviously extant... Jeremiah was the first Saint Patrick, for pity's sake; did you think those were literal snakes he ran out of Ireland? weren't you the one telling me I didn't know my History?!

"IF the bible has been changed by Jews, then when did this happen? What proof do you have? If it has been changed, does that not show that Christianity has not been able to create within white people and concept that we have a unique society to preserve. In one of your other posts you mentioned to me that there has never been a history of the white race. You asked me the rhetorical question Why?"

.....The "scribes" are those kenites, (sons of Cain), that were introduced in 1Chronicles, 2:55; Our Christ identified them repeatedly, and the tracking through Scripture are voluminous... the very Masoretic texts are tainted in this regard, and the reason the RCC, contrary to popular "we knows", kept the Scripture from the masses is due to the destruction and violence done to it by these "jewish", kenite scribes, and they had initially sought to keep people from being deceived, as opposed to keeping them in ignorance of the Scriptures; pick up a KJV and learn to read a concordance and that is all the proof a thinking, rational being should require... there were four Hebrew words rendered into the single English "man"; Adam, ish, enosh, and gebor... are you such an expert that you were aware of this and know one from the other, and which one is which is Scripture, and where? Do you undersatand the profound ramificiations of such? It was done for the purposes of deception, but you don't even know it, ergo, you are unaware of the deceptions under which you labor here... Further, you can go to any bookstore an find twenty books on the Chinese race, thirty on "American indians", fifty on blacks and hell, an hundred on the "jews", but you won't find a History book on the Nordic race, (unless, of course, you're informed enough to be familair with Richard Kelly Hoskins); the History books for our people have been purged by those selfsame scribe vermin... the question was not rhetorical, youngster...

"The original white societies were the Pagan societies of antiquity (ancient Greece, Rome, Sumeria, Celts, Germanic.) These white society's did possess a positive idea about the differences between themselves and other people. They did the things neccessary to preserve their culture."

.....These that you mention are the selfsame Israelites of Scripture, (your current ignorance notwithstanding), who had gone away from their Father, as was prophesied and were under judgement in their day, just as you and I are today, except, I seem to be the one that can recognize the fact while you seem to wish to flail away at your brethren for the deception you share in differing manner; I'll not address your repetitive nonsense regarding Paul, as you are the one sans evidence, save that idiocy from Hale, et. al.; you are wrong, in the Scriptural record, as well as the Historical one... their hog waddle comes from their talmudic "education" from the "rebbes", (I'll call no man such), and you aren't even aware, apparently, from whence originates those against whom you rail... you seem to be pi$$ed off at something, and want to lash out in all directions, but this is ineffective, according to past accounts; you must know who's who in the zoo, and what they are up to... do you know the least of the talmudic filth under which they operate, or are you just shadow-boxing?

"agrees with Judiasm that man is corrupt and that all of man's desires are impure and immoral."

.....No, Christianity has been infiltered and taken captive by "judaism", and they, therefore, believe their lies, unchallenged; these are the weaker among us, granted, but our strong are in short supply...

"Christianity tells the Aryan that if he adopts the Jewish god as his saviour then his wicked nature is redeemed. Any Aryan that believes in the homosexual Jew god Jesus is going from the positive concept that his culture created for him into the negative concept that the Jews have created for him."

.....No, "judeo"-Christianity, (which, in the event it has escaped your perceptive notice, IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!), is the culprit; this Christian knows there is no "jewish" "god", save satan, (the sissy), and they have most fooled, (yourself included, evidently, which makes you just as deceived as they; oh my!), but now is the time for calling them out, so are you going to do so constructively, or do you wish to continue in this "creativity" nonsense and continue looking foolish to the reader, while standing in the way?

"Once the Roman Empire collasped (as a result of Christianity destroying their common identity as Romans), Christians wanted to destroy any evidence that the pagans had ever created a culture of their own."

.....Nonsense; I don't even know how to address such, except to call it as the abject ignorance that it is...

"That is what the term Renniasance means."

.....Again, nonsense; the renaissance began when the yoke of the "jewish" usury was thrown off in times past; the "dark ages" were the "rule of the 'jew'"...

"Can you show any evidence that these early Christians believed that Jesus was an Aryan?"

.....Sure; they didn't need to "believe" it, as they saw with their own eyes; where would you wish to do it? On the thread halfway down the page called "Jesus was not a 'jew'"? There's already a glimpse of the evidence, but there is much more...

.....I again admonish you to refrain from the blaspheme of your address of Our Christ; you know not of that which you speak, but what seems to be worse is, you know not that you know not...

na Gaeil is gile

2003-06-17 10:34 | User Profile

Originally posted by whitehomeland@Jun 16 2003, 21:40 * Can you show any evidence that these early Christians believed that Jesus was an Aryan?*

Sure - take a look at the Book of Kells. Everyone depicted in it has blond or red hair. The angels have blond hair and blue eyes. I can't recall offhand if there is an illustration of Jesus but there certainly are depictions of the apostles and if the monks believed the evangelists were Aryan then they certainly would have believed Jesus was too.

whitehomeland

2003-06-17 16:25 | User Profile

what you say is complete garbage. You must be on drugs to make up this nonsense.

Well...

.....I had said earlier that your position is easily demolished; allow me to demonstrate...

.....You have not the first clue of that which I do, or do not, read; I believe we just met... I do, indeed, study my Scirpture in the original languages,

[B][color=red]The fact that you waste your time reading Hebrew proves that you are an artificial Jew. I bet you only eat kosher foods as well. If you people know the true interpretation of the bible then write your own version of the bible in English. [/color]

and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to do so; all one needs are the proper tools with which to work... The problem isn't so much what we don't know, but what we know that simply isn't so; your wayward assertion of "everybody knows that Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Paul are 'jews'" proves it... you don't seem to comprehend who is who, either in the world, or the Scriptural History thereof, but I assure you, I can and will demonstrate exactly that which you question, (btw; it's "yarmulke")...

"You still have not shown any proof that Aryans were in Israel 2000 years ago."

.....Nor could anyone; there was no land called "Israel" then, as Scriptural Israel is a peoples, (you, silly!),

I should have said "Judea". So I will ask you the question again "You still have not shown any proof that Aryans were in Judea 2000 years ago."

as opposed to a piece of real estate, despite the "jew's" lies to the contrary... you need to research folks like E. Raymond Capt for his archeological work of recent, and the thread in which I took part, (which I provided you), had you the endurance to read it, would have shown a number of irrefutable Historical proofs of this nature, which is but a small sampling; they, (we) were, indeed, all over the planet, hence, the founding of civilization even among the fetus eaters in China, (and they said they invented gunpowder and screenprinting, fat chance)...

The reason why you cannot show me the proof that Aryans lived in Judea 2000 years ago is because their is no proof.

"You have not shown any proof that the lost tribes of Israel traveled to England or to America. Where is your evidence?"

.....It's rather "off-topic" for this thread, but if you get the blessing of the thread originator, we could do it here, or start another thread; frankly,

Again, you are not able to show me proof. You make up an excuse that you must ask the systems administrator for permission. Just send me an email of the proof. You are completely ignorant of history. Nordic people migrated from northern Europe into southern Europe. Then they traveled into the middle east. Not from the middle east into Europe. You have it backwards. Show me the proof otherwise. Stone Henge dates back to 7000 B.C. This is before the Egyptians built the pyramids. It is before any of the societies in Mesopotamia were started by your Semetic masters.

I'm rather taken aback that some of you don't know these things with the concern for your brethren that is obviously extant... Jeremiah was the first Saint Patrick, for pity's sake; did you think those were literal snakes he ran out of Ireland? weren't you the one telling me I didn't know my History?!

This statement makes no sense. I understand the history of the white race very well. People that believe in Christian identity have made up their own history because they wish that they were Jews.

.....The "scribes" are those kenites, (sons of Cain), that were introduced in 1Chronicles, 2:55; Our Christ identified them repeatedly, and the tracking through Scripture are voluminous... the very Masoretic texts are tainted in this regard, and the reason the RCC, contrary to popular "we knows", kept the Scripture from the masses is due to the destruction and violence done to it by these "jewish", kenite scribes, and they had initially sought to keep people from being deceived, as opposed to keeping them in ignorance of the Scriptures; pick up a KJV and learn to read a concordance and that is all the proof a thinking, rational being should require... there were four Hebrew words rendered into the single English "man"; Adam, ish, enosh, and gebor... are you such an expert that you were aware of this and know one from the other, and which one is which is Scripture, and where? Do you undersatand the profound ramificiations of such? It was done for the purposes of deception, but you don't even know it, ergo, you are unaware of the deceptions under which you labor here...

Further, you can go to any bookstore an find twenty books on the Chinese race, thirty on "American indians", fifty on blacks and hell, an hundred on the "jews", but you won't find a History book on the Nordic race, (unless, of course, you're informed enough to be familair with Richard Kelly Hoskins); the History books for our people have been purged by those selfsame scribe vermin... the question was not rhetorical, youngster...

You are completey talking nonsense. It was the Christians, after they destroyed the Roman Empire, that destroyed the Library in Alexandria. It was Christians that destroyed the Pagans temples and art. The christians did this because they were controlled by a Jewish ideology called Christianity. The positive concept that they created for themselves within their culture was destroyed. The belief in their exceptionalism was destroyed. It was replaced by the negative concepts that Jews have created for people outside of their culture. If white people have never written a history of the white race since it is because Christianity has destroyed the Aryans belief that he is exception and replaced it with god love everyone so you must love everyone. You are jealous of the jews because you do not have the originality to create your own identitiy. You spend your time studying Hebrew, torah, and eating Kosher foods while wearing a yarmulke.

You have not provided any proof that their were aryans in the middle east. Nor have you provided any proof that members of the lost tribe of Israel traveled to Europe. You have not provided any proof that Nordic people migrated from the Middle east into Europe. I have already shown you that Nordic people migrated from the Northern part of Europe into the southern part of Europe and then into the Middle east.

These people had nothing in common with the Israelites in the Old Testament.

just as you and I are today, except, I seem to be the one that can recognize the fact while you seem to wish to flail away at your brethren for the deception you share in differing manner;

You wish that you were a Jew because you are a self hating aryan. The Jews have made aryans false thourogh Christianity because it is the negative concept that Jews have created for people outside of their society. I am an aryan and I want to re-establish the Pagan worldview in the 21 Century. That means have a whitehomeland where aryans "worship" the idea of their nation. You artificial Jews worship a "metaphysical spook in the sky".

I'll not address your repetitive nonsense regarding Paul, as you are the one sans evidence, save that idiocy from Hale, et. al.; you are wrong, in the Scriptural record, as well as the Historical one... their hog waddle comes from their talmudic "education" from the "rebbes", (

You cannot refute my claim that Paul was a Jew. He tricked the Pagan society's in Antiquity into adopting the negative concept that Jews have created for people outside of their society. Paul of Tarsus was a racially conscious Jew that tricked the Pagan society's in antiquity from the positive concept that they created for themselves within their own culture into believing in the negative concept that they Jews have created for them. (he is not an Isrealite) After Jesus died all of his apostles tried to convert other Jews into believing that Jesus was the messiah. However Paul (at this time he called himself Saul) persecuted these original Jewish Christians because did not want his countrymen believing in Jesus teachings about love everyone and pray for those that persecute you. Instead he wanted to convert the pagans to Jesus's teachings so that he could corrupt their society. He traveled around the Mediterrean visiting different pagan society's and told the Pagans that Jesus teachings "pray for those that persecute you", "blessed be the peacemakers", and "love your enemey" meant that Christianity was about hating the strong and the powerful. Paul told them that if they converted to Christianity then they would get revenge on the Romans for conquering their country and making them pay tribute to Rome. Maybe they would not get revenge in this life but certainly in the next. The Romans were resent by the other pagan society's just like America is resented by a lot of nations today because we are the only super power.

By marketing Christianity as an ideology that preaches hatred towards the strong, Paul of Tarsus was able to convert the Pagans from believing in their Pagans indenties into believing in the negative concept that the Jews have created for everyone outside of their society. Eventually Rome got converted into believing in Christianity and there empire collasped. They no longer had a positive concept of being Roman. Instead the were now told that all of their desires and motives were evil and had to be repressed. The elite stopped being proud of their status and started to feel guilty. They become decadent and lazy.

paul said "regardless whether one is a greek or jew, circumcised or uncircumsied, bond or free, christ loves all". This means that Christ is not just your savior but eveyone's savior. He loves everyone not just Isrealites. Jesus loves white nationalists just as much as he loves crack smoking welfare mothers. This is what the bible really says. You people do not want to accept that because you cannot accpet the fact that Christianity is slave morality.

I'll call no man such), and you aren't even aware, apparently, from whence originates those against whom you rail... you seem to be pi$$ed off at something, and want to lash out in all directions, but this is ineffective, according to past accounts; you must know who's who in the zoo, and what they are up to... do you know the least of the talmudic filth under which they operate, or are you just shadow-boxing?

You make absolutly no sense when you write. WHat the hell are are talking.

"agrees with Judiasm that man is corrupt and that all of man's desires are impure and immoral."

Christianity is the negative concept that the Jews have created for people outside of their society. Jesus was a Jew.

.....No, "judeo"-Christianity, (which, in the event it has escaped your perceptive notice, IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!), is the culprit; this Christian knows there is no "jewish" "god", save satan, (the sissy), and they have most fooled, (yourself included, evidently, which makes you just as deceived as they; oh my!), but now is the time for calling them out, so are you going to do so constructively, or do you wish to continue in this "creativity" nonsense and continue looking foolish to the reader, while standing in the way?

.....Nonsense; I don't even know how to address such, except to call it as the abject ignorance that it is...

You are totally ignorant of History. When Rome got converted into believing in Christianity and there empire collasped. They no longer had a positive concept of being Roman. Instead the were now told that all of their desires and motives were evil and had to be repressed. The elite stopped being proud of their status and started to feel guilty. They become decadent and lazy.

"That is what the term Renniasance means."

.....Again, nonsense; the renaissance began when the yoke of the "jewish" usury was thrown off in times past; the "dark ages" were the "rule of the 'jew'"...

"Can you show any evidence that these early Christians believed that Jesus was an Aryan?"

Again you do not make any sense and you do not provide any evidence that Jesus was an Aryan. You just say completely meaningless things. "There is plenty of evidence" blah, blah,blah,blah,blah,

I have already mentioned that nordic people migrated from northern europe into southern europe and then into the middle east. There were nordic societies that existed before society's were started in Mesopotamia.

.....I again admonish you to refrain from the blaspheme of your address of Our Christ; you know not of that which you speak, but what seems to be worse is, you know not that you know not...

Your lord is a Jew. You are a fake Jew. You waste your time studing Hebrew because you have no positive concept of yourself.

do not waste my time

Patrick

2003-06-17 18:42 | User Profile

Ã¢â¬Âwhat you say is complete garbage. You must be on drugs to make up this nonsense.Ã¢â¬Â

Gee...

.....Thank you so much for your return to Ã¢â¬ÅcivilityÃ¢â¬Â, (however short-lived in may have been)...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou do not read classical Greek or Hebrew and I highly doubt that any of the inbred rednecks at Aryan Nations can either so I do not need to cross reference the bible to the original language. Everyone knows that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Paul of Tarsus are jews.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Sure; as well as Ã¢â¬Åeveryone knowsÃ¢â¬Â that the fed is a .gov agency, and Ã¢â¬Åeveryone knowsÃ¢â¬Â that OKC was blown up by Arabs, or how Ã¢â¬Åeveryone knowsÃ¢â¬Â that communism is dead, or how Ã¢â¬Åeveryone knowsÃ¢â¬Â that paper is Ã¢â¬Åmoney; youÃ¢â¬â¢re a borderline genius, arenÃ¢â¬â¢t you?

Ã¢â¬ÂThe fact that you waste your time reading Hebrew proves that you are an artificial Jew. I bet you only eat kosher foods as well. If you people know the true interpretation of the bible then write your own version of the bible in English.Ã¢â¬Â

Ã¢â¬ÂI should have said Ã¢â¬ÅJudeaÃ¢â¬Â. So I will ask you the question again Ã¢â¬ÅYou still have not shown any proof that Aryans were in Judea 2000 years ago.Ã¢â¬ÂÃ¢â¬Â

.....See below...

Ã¢â¬ÂThe reason why you cannot show me the proof that Aryans lived in Judea 2000 years ago is because their is no proof.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Perhaps not to your narrow world view; how much proof would it take to convert you from your wayward position? There are actually volumes of such proof, but I donÃ¢â¬â¢t think they put it in the one book youÃ¢â¬â¢ve obviously restrained your reading to...

*Ã¢â¬ÂYou have not shown any proof that the lost tribes of Israel traveled to England or to America. Where is your evidence?

Again, you are not able to show me proof.Ã¢â¬Â*

.....See below...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou make up an excuse that you must ask the systems administrator for permission. Just send me an email of the proof. You are completely ignorant of history.Ã¢â¬Â

.....I was being considerate of the thread originator; I said nothing of a systems administrator... do you read everything in such cursory fashion? I donÃ¢â¬â¢t come to a discussion forum to have e-mail discussions; IÃ¢â¬â¢d prefer you look just as silly to the reader as you do in private... :)

Ã¢â¬ÂNordic people migrated from northern Europe into southern Europe. Then they traveled into the middle east. Not from the middle east into Europe. You have it backwards. Show me the proof otherwise. Stone Henge dates back to 7000 B.C. This is before the Egyptians built the pyramids. It is before any of the societies in Mesopotamia were started by your Semetic masters.Ã¢â¬Â

.....So, were the Nordics Ã¢â¬ÅgrownÃ¢â¬Â from the ground in England? The ten tribes of the Assyrian captivity crossed northward through the Caucasus mountians, from whence we get the word Ã¢â¬ÅcaucasianÃ¢â¬Â; from there, on a westward trek, down though to Ã¢â¬ÅIberiaÃ¢â¬Â, (modern Spain), and this translates to Ã¢â¬Åland of the HebrewsÃ¢â¬Â... Hibernia is Ireland; care for the translation? Denmark, (DanÃ¢â¬â¢s mark), as well as countless other lankmarks by which we know who placed them... BTW, 99% of the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â are not Semitic; did you go to public school?

Ã¢â¬ÂThis statement makes no sense. I understand the history of the white race very well. People that believe in Christian identity have made up their own history because they wish that they were Jews.Ã¢â¬Â**

.....So, what good is evidence if you wish to believe I Ã¢â¬Åmade it upÃ¢â¬Â? YouÃ¢â¬â¢re welcome to stay in your comfortabHale delusion, but you will continue looking silly and completely ignorant to the learned...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou are completey talking nonsense. It was the Christians, after they destroyed the Roman Empire, that destroyed the Library in Alexandria. It was Christians that destroyed the Pagans temples and art. The christians did this because they were controlled by a Jewish ideology called Christianity. The positive concept that they created for themselves within their culture was destroyed. The belief in their exceptionalism was destroyed. It was replaced by the negative concepts that Jews have created for people outside of their culture. If white people have never written a history of the white race since it is because Christianity has destroyed the Aryans belief that he is exception and replaced it with god love everyone so you must love everyone. You are jealous of the jews because you do not have the originality to create your own identitiy. You spend your time studying Hebrew, torah, and eating Kosher foods while wearing a yarmulke.Ã¢â¬Â

.....hehehe; IÃ¢â¬â¢m talking nonsense, eh? You, Sir, spout that which you do not know, as though it were true; you inject your opnions where none are required and I doubt you understand even half the Scriptural terminology that you bandy about... when first I heard that Hale creature on the radio, I wondered what manner of idiot would believe such unsubstantiated nonsense; Ã¢â¬ÅpleasedÃ¢â¬Â to meet you... :lol: IÃ¢â¬â¢ll expect an apology for your ranting once youÃ¢â¬â¢ve read the proofs below; youÃ¢â¬â¢ll need to wipe the egg from your face, first, though...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou have not provided any proof that their were aryans in the middle east. Nor have you provided any proof that members of the lost tribe of Israel traveled to Europe. You have not provided any proof that Nordic people migrated from the Middle east into Europe. I have already shown you that Nordic people migrated from the Northern part of Europe into the southern part of Europe and then into the Middle east.Ã¢â¬Â**

.....Wherein lies your proof? You have done nothing but presented errant assertion; am I to take your word for it? Sorry, I believe IÃ¢â¬â¢ll stick with that which I have documented; again, see below...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou wish that you were a Jew because you are a self hating aryan. The Jews have made aryans false thourogh Christianity because it is the negative concept that Jews have created for people outside of their society. I am an aryan and I want to re-establish the Pagan worldview in the 21 Century. That means have a whitehomeland where aryans Ã¢â¬ÅworshipÃ¢â¬Â the idea of their nation. You artificial Jews worship a Ã¢â¬Åmetaphysical spook in the skyÃ¢â¬Â.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Ad Hominem, rooted in your nasty disposition... Your Ã¢â¬ÅpaganÃ¢â¬Â desires are foolishness to the nth degree...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou cannot refute my claim that Paul was a Jew.Ã¢â¬Â

.....I was unaware that such lunacy needed refutation, (ditto for that which followed)...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou make absolutly no sense when you write. WHat the hell are are talking.Ã¢â¬Â

.....My fault; I was assuming, from the intellect that I saw on this particular forum, that I wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t be encountering one as ignorant of these matters as yourself...

Ã¢â¬Âagrees with Judiasm that man is corrupt and that all of manÃ¢â¬â¢s desires are impure and immoral.Ã¢â¬Â

.....No, Christianity has been infiltered and taken captive by Ã¢â¬ÅjudaismÃ¢â¬Â, and they, therefore, believe their lies, unchallenged; these are the weaker among us, granted, but our strong are in short supply...

Ã¢â¬ÂChristianity is the negative concept that the Jews have created for people outside of their society. Jesus was a Jew.Ã¢â¬Â

.....You keep repeating this; perhaps you could explain without the invective... regardless the number of times you repeat nonsense, it will remain just nonsense... :)

[Ã¢â¬ÂI have already mentioned that nordic people migrated from northern europe into southern europe and then into the middle east. There were nordic societies that existed before societyÃ¢â¬â¢s were started in Mesopotamia.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Sure youÃ¢â¬â¢ve Ã¢â¬ÅmentionedÃ¢â¬Â it; now prove it... :lol:

.....HereÃ¢â¬â¢s some History for you, (I would imagine the first youÃ¢â¬â¢ve encountered?); I suppose now youÃ¢â¬â¢ll tell me I made these scholars up...

.....May as well begin at the beginning; as I had said earlier, I intend to put this together in a series of posts that will take a few days... I ask that those unfamiliar with this information try to suspend judgement until all of the evidence is in; I donÃ¢â¬â¢t mind at all taking time for questions, but I donÃ¢â¬â¢t wish to get into another term parsing contest until after the fact... no concept from Scripture hinges exclusively upon a single term or even a single verse; we are told that Ã¢â¬Åout of the mouth of two witnesses, shall a thing be established, which precludes such a notion completely...

.....Understanding the definition of Aw-dawm, (to blush red), is a pretty good clue to begin with... Scripture is a Book solely intended for Ã¢â¬ÅAdam-kindÃ¢â¬Â, or Ã¢â¬ÅAdamitesÃ¢â¬Â; it is the story of the History, (read: His story), of the race of Adamic man and the only time any other peoples, (yes, races), are mentioned is when they come into contact with Adam-kind... Unless one holds the unScriptural evolutionary view, then they will have to admit that the other races do not descend from Adam, or that YHVH is a liar and violates His own immutable Law of Ã¢â¬Åkind after itÃ¢â¬â¢s kindÃ¢â¬Â... He also declares in 1Corintians fifteen that not all Ã¢â¬ÅfleshÃ¢â¬Â is the same...

.....From Adam, the chosen Holy Seed had to go through the Ã¢â¬ÅsubstituteÃ¢â¬Â of Seth, (which translates to Ã¢â¬ÅsubstituteÃ¢â¬Â), due to the murder of Abel by the first murderer and son of the wicked one, Cain; after a goodly number of generations, the Holy Seed was corrupted by those nephilim, (from the root word Ã¢â¬ÅnephalÃ¢â¬Â, meaning, to fall), those fallen angels came down unto the daughters of Adam and took for wifes, all that they chose, (this is the Ã¢â¬Åmarrying and giving in marriageÃ¢â¬Â from Matthew twenty four), until the only Godly Sethite, (and his family), that remained was Noah, whom we are told was Ã¢â¬Åperfect in his generations, (posterity)... The next progenitor of the scarlet thread was in the person of Eber, from whom we get the name Ã¢â¬ÅHebrewÃ¢â¬Â; from Eber and his descendent Hebrew family, who, once again, after generations they became corrupted, but YHVH directed Abram to Ã¢â¬Åseparate himselfÃ¢â¬Â, even from his own people...

.....This choosing of Abraham was a profound occurance to YHVHÃ¢â¬â¢s people; inspite of their tendency at disobedience, YHVH had made a covenant with His people, whom He had chosen as a peculiar people unto Himself... YHVH promised He would never forsake His people, nor choose any other, (Deuteronomy, 4:31, 34, 37; 7: 6-8); His promises of incredible blessings to come for His people, some of which were contingent upon their moral behavior, but the main thrust was unconditional... The Paternal head, upon the death of Abraham, passed to Isaac, then on to His son Jacob, as the younger brother of Esau, who had despised his birthright and sold it for pottage, then to slap YHVH in the face, took wives from the Canaanites; JacobÃ¢â¬â¢s name was changed by YHVH to Israel, which translates to Ã¢â¬Åhe who reigns as a pince with YHVH over man successfullyÃ¢â¬Â...

.....Years passed and Israel grew to a great multitude; YHVH, through Moses, then gave the first written Law to His people and formally married his bride Israel and they had accepted their place in the covenant by agreeing to do all that He commanded... It was at this time that He also gave them a special Name by which they alone were to call upon, that of YHVH, (pronounced, YaÃ¢â¬â¢ ho vay, not Je hoÃ¢â¬â¢ vah); this was a covenant Name... after many more years the Israel people would often wander away from their promises to their Father; they had gone after Ã¢â¬Åstrange fleshÃ¢â¬Â as we read in Ezra, 9:2, among other offenses and came under the judgements of Deuteronomy, 28:15, on, Leviticus, 26 and 2Samual, 7, as their sins went beyond where He could withold His judgement; after the death of king Solomon, (around 931 B.C.), the Ã¢â¬Åwhole House of IsraelÃ¢â¬Â had split into the House of Judah, consisting of Judah, Benjamin and Levy and the House of Israel, consisting of the ten northern tribes...

.....The House of Israel had their capital in Samaria and was under the headsip of King Omri; the House of Judah had their capital in Jerusalem... In the timeframe around 721 B.C., the House of Israel, (as well as a good portion of the House of Judah), were taken captive by the Assyrians; an-hundred-thirty-five years later, the remaining portion of the House of Judah was taken to Babylon in captivity... The entire population at this time was approximately thirteen million people; eleven million in the northern House and two million in the House of Judah... Of these, a mere 40,000 returned to Jerusalem after seventy more years; question... What happened to this large mass of people? The acclaimed Historian, Flavius Josephus, in his work Antiquities, Book XI, Chapter V, paragraph 2, states: Ã¢â¬Å the entire body of people of Israel remained in that country, (Assyria); wherefore, there are but two tribes, (a remnant of Judah and Benjamin, which were present in Jerusalem at the time of the Ministry of The Christ), in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, not to be estimated by numberÃ¢â¬Â...

.....The Book of Esdras, (Ezra), of The Apocrypha reveals to us that these Israelites left Assryia and migrated into a new country, which was uninhabited: Ã¢â¬Åthese are the ten tribes that in the days of King Hoshea were carried away from their own land into captivity, whom Shalmaneser, King of Assyria, made captives, and carried beyond the river, (Euphrates, which was always the spiritual border between Jerusalem and Babylon), they were carried off to another country. But they formed this plan among themselves, to leave the heathen population, and to go to a more distant region, where the human race had never lived, so that there perhaps they might keep their statutes, which they had not kept in their own country. And they went by the narrow passage of the Euphrates River. For the Most High then did wonders for them, for He held back the sources of the river until they had passed over. But it was a long journey of a year and a half to that country, and that country is called AzarethÃ¢â¬Â, (2Esdras, 13:40-47)...

.....Now, Herodotus, (Greek Historian of the fifth century B.C. known as the father of History), confirms every detail of this account; This is a fulfillment of Sciptural prophecy... YHVH declared that due to the sin of His people, he would drive them from the land He had given them and scatter them throughout the earth; they would have a new home to the north and the west of jerusalem, (Isaiah, 49:12, Jeremiah, 3:18), a land that was previously not inhabited by man, a wilderness, virgin, uncultivated, a new land... Azareth was a country that was to the north and west of Jerusalem, a one-an-one-half yearÃ¢â¬â¢s walk away...

.....Israel is to number as the sands of the sea, and youÃ¢â¬â¢re looking at a people that never went above 13 million or so; duh! How about them losing their identity? The Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â can count themselves clear back to their ancestors; again, not Scriptural... The trail never got cold; itÃ¢â¬â¢s there to be found... like a lost dog, if one were to go looking and not find it where last seen, heÃ¢â¬â¢d go looking for the trail... but just because the dogÃ¢â¬â¢s collar was found empty, even the dimmest bulb on the planet wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t conclude that the dog failed to exist...

.....Is it not rather odd to you, that at the time Israel supposedly disappeared from History there was another huge body of people, of roughly the same number, discovered in roughly the same place? The secular minds say they have no clue as to the destiny of the one peoples nor the origin of the other? CÃ¢â¬â¢mon... even when the Historical records prove they are the self-same people? Can it be they are just plain ignorant, or are they trying to hide something from you? Why is it that no one in the religious monopolies of recent times has ever publically connected the disappearance of the Israelites with the emergence of the Germanic tribes? Particularly when enormous proof exists that these tribes are, in fact, the Israelites of Scripture? Note: the Germanic peoples existed for at least a thousand years before the Ã¢â¬ÂGermans". Secular minds have proposed an elaborate Ã¢â¬ÅtheoryÃ¢â¬Â of evolution, deducing that man came from an ape, but have not suceeded in determining from whence originated these Germanic peoples... These Ã¢â¬ÅscientistsÃ¢â¬Â and Ã¢â¬Ågreat mindsÃ¢â¬Â can supposedly trace the earthÃ¢â¬â¢s origins back hundreds of billions of years using bits and pieces of weeds, bugs and animals, yet they claim they cannot trace the origins of the Germanic peoples back a mere 2,500 years?! Right...

..... This Assyrian derivative was due to the fact that these captives referred to themselves as "sons of Isaac", (which was yet another fulfillment of prophecy, see the declarations of Genesis, 21:12, Hosea, 11:1, Romans, 9:7 and Hebrews, 11:18); there is also one occurance in Scripture of the reference to the "House of Isaac", (Amos, 7:16)... In her punishment, Israel was to be driven from her land and given a new home and that she would lose her identity, (Deuteronomy, 32:26, but not to YHVH, Hosea, 2:17); this identity loss was to History, for a time, due to her disobedience...

.....During captivity, Israel had come into contact with many other peoples and were given differing names by the differing nations throughout her migrations; Isaac, in various languages, became such as Saka/Sakia, (Roman), Sacae/Sakae/Saka/Sakka/Sakiya/Scythia/Scythian, (persian, Median and Susian), Saksuna/Sacasene/Sakkas, (Indian), Skuthes/Skuthae, (Greek), Scolotoi, (Crimean), Skythes, (Welsh), and Sgaithanach, (Scots-Gaelic), most of the variation of which, was a result of the lack of vowells in the Hebrew... All of these names were later translated as Scythians, with minor variations...

.....Madison Grant, an Historian of no small stature, had indicated in his work, The Passing of The Great Race that "the Sacae, or Saka were the long-headed blonde peoples who carried the Aryan language into India"; he informs us that "Strabo recorded these people were the Scythians and Sacasena", (pp. 511)... "The Essene and other literature of the Israelites found in the catacombs reveals that the Israelites and Jesus Christ Himself were the blonde-haired, blue-eyed people who averaged six feet in height"...

.....Scripture declares that YHVH's Israel would be scattered north of the river Euphrates, (1Kings, 14:15); the fulfillment came when Israel was taken captive into the Assyrian empire.. As Israel left Assyria, they passed northward through the "narrow pass" of the Caucasus mountains, from whence we get the very term "caucasian"; passing through the Kerch straits into the Crimea...

.....The name Saxon was derived from the Hebrew, Saka-sunni and it means "son of Saks" or "Isaac's sons"; in Documents of Destiny, by F. Wallace Connon, (London, 1958), it is stated, "Dr. Holt Yates says: 'The word Saxon comes from sons of Isaac', and he gives Saak, Saac, Saax, Saach-en and shows that in many eastern languages , "sons of" is often written sunnia, which would give the sons of Isaac as saac-sunnia...

.....The Babylonians also referred to the Scythians as Gimirra/Gimiri, meaning "tribes" as the Israelites were virtually the only people broken into subsets of tribes and sub-tribes, and this is borne out by Strabo, Greek Historian and geographer; the Romans called them Kimmiroi... all of these names translated to the English "Cimmerian" or "Cimbri"... The Assyrians and Babylonians also called the Israelites "Sak-Galutha" or "Bit-Khumri"; "Galutha" meaning "captive" in Hebrew and "Bit-Khumri" being the Assyrian equivalent to the Hebrew "Beth-Omri", which meant "House of Omri"...

.....To demonstrate that the Cimmerians, Sacae, Saxons and Scythians were of the same race of people as the Angles, Celts, Danes, Gaels and Goths, I will rely upon the words of the scholars; to wit...

.....Albinus, (1st century B.C.), wrote, "the Saxons were descended from the ancient Sacae in Asia, and in the process of time they came to be called Saxons"...

.....George Moore, in his Saxons East and West stated, "The Sacae and the Getae who formerly invaded India sprang from the same source as the Saxons and Goths of the West, and were distinctly connected with the Israelites"...

.....Pliney the Elder, (23-79 A.D.), the Roman scholar and author of Historia Naturalis, said, "the Sakai were among the most distinguished people who lived in Scythia and that they had been called Sacca-suni", (Connon, pp. 102)...

.....Ptolemy, (2nd century, A. D.), Greco-Egyptian astronomer, mathematician, and geographer, stated the "Saxons were a Scythian people descended from the Sakae, who came from Media"...

.....Professor Hans F. K. Gunter, (German ethnologist), states, "Whatever peoples, whatever individual Viking bands, may have trodden English ground, Celts, Angels, Jutes, Danes, Norweigian and Icelandic Vikings, Normans, they were all predominantly Nordic peoples." The Racial Elements of European History, 1927...

.....Professor Huxley, stated, "If what I have to say in a matter of science weighs with any man who has political power, I ask him to believe that the arguments about the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Celts are a mere sham and delusion.", (from a quotation by Sir Arthur Keith, in The Sunday Times, October 27, 1935)...

.....Sir F. Palgrove, stated, "Britons, Anglo-Saxons, Danes and Normans were all relations, however hostile, they were all kinsmen, shedding kindred blood.", (English commonwealth)...

.....Sir Arthur Keith, stated, "As regards shape of skull or form of bones I do not think a practised craniologist could distinguish the skulls and bones found in an ancient Saxon cemetary in Surrey from the remains of a Celtic grave in Connemara, so much are the Celtic and Saxon types alike. Were we to dress one group of fishermen from the coast of Norfolk and one group of fishermen from the shores of Connaught in the same garb, I do not think there is an anthropologist in Europe who by mere inspection could tell the Irish from the English group. From a physical point of view the Celt and the Saxon are one; whatever be the source of their mutual antagonism, it does not lie in a difference of race. It is often said that we British are a mixed and mongrel collection of types and breeds; the truth is that as regards physical type the inhabitants of the British Isles are the most uniform of all the large nationalities of Europe.", (Nationality and Race From an Anthropologist's Point of View, (1919, pp. 23-24)...

.....Sir T. Nicholas, wrote, Ã¢â¬ÅThe researches of modern Historians, unequivocally favor the opinion that under the name Keltai, Galaltai, Gauls, Gaels, Gwyddils, Celts, Cimmerii, Cimbri, Cymry, Brythons, Lloegrians, Scots and Picts, only one race under different tribe or clan divisions, political organizations and periods of existence, is spoken of, hence, one people.Ã¢â¬Å, (Missing Links, pp. 225)...

.....Professor Sharon Turner, F.S.A., R.A.S.L., in his History of the Anglo-Saxons, (1799-1805), states, Ã¢â¬ÅThe Anglo-Saxons, Lowland Scotch, Normans and Danes have all sprung from the great fountain of the first human race which we have distinguished by the terms Scythian and Gothic... (the Scythians migrated)... crossed the Araxes, (Aras River), passing out of Asia, and suddenly appeared in Europe in the sixth century B. C....

.....William Camden, states, Ã¢â¬ÅI think the conjecture of those learned Germans, who imagine the Saxons are descended from the Saci, the most powerful people of Asia; that they are so called, as if one should say Sacasones, that is Ã¢â¬ËSons of SacaeÃ¢â¬â¢; and that out of Scythia or Sarmatae Asiatica, they poured little by little into Europe, along with the Getes, the Swevi, and the Daci; deserves credit the best of any other. And indeed, the opinions of those men who fetch the Saxons out of Asia, where mankind had its rise and growth, does not want some color of reason.Ã¢â¬Â, (from Missing Links, pp. 225, quoting The Seed of Isaac, by J.D. Granger, pp. 168)...

.....Professor Dr. Joseph Ehret, states, Ã¢â¬ÅLess blood would flow, if the European inhabitants knew how closely they are related as brother and sister, in law. With few exceptions, we constitute a close community of peoples, a true family encompassing the majority of national cultures, stretching from the Islandics in the north to the Italians in the south, and from the Old-Indians in the east to the Portuguese in the west.

.....This Indo-European family, also called by some the Indo-Germanic. encompasses a rich History and for those who take the trouble to leaf through its pages, it promises a rich harvest. This is especially true when one disregards the more recent peoples and works back toward the oldest who have retained their original primordiality, such as... the Greeks of antiquity or the Lithuanians and their stock brothers, the Latvians. In this case one obtains highly valuable knowledge from which one can draw conclusions about their fore-fathers, about the primordial people from which we stem.Ã¢â¬Â (Lithuania: The European Adam, 1983, pp. 9, 10)...

.....In the British Museum, there are Assyrian tablets which were found in Ninevah in which we find the first mention of the Scythians in History around 699-681, B.C., (ironic that the city that was spared judgement by YHVH plays a role in identifying Israel); there were additional records discovered in Ninevah and Babylon that illustrate beyond a doubt that the Israelites were the Sacae and the Scythians, (Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets, by E. Raymond Capt, M.A., A.I.A., F.S.A., 1985)... In the timeframe mentioned the Scythians were living in Medes; the significance of this discovery was that with this, we see the beginning of the fulfillment of prophecy... The Assyrian term Iskuza, was the result of the name the Israelites had for themselves as Ã¢â¬ÅIsaacaÃ¢â¬Â, which was more than likely to remind themselves that they were, indeed, the children of the promise, and that YHVH would keep them, even in their captivity; they eventually had forgotten why they were so named and shortly thereafter, forgot they were Israel at all...

.....About 1800 in England, (which coincides with the ending of the 2520 years of national punishment), the population began to wonder of their roots and question from whence they came; there was an exceptional gentleman and scholar that rose to the questions... Sharon Turner, F.S.A., R.A.S.L., (1768-1847), wrote his several volumes of impeccable scholarship, establishing himself as the foremost authority on The History of the Anglo-Saxons, which, even today stands as the final word on the subject; his 1,820 pages reveals that the Anglo-Saxons descend from the Scythians who had come to Europe from the Median cities on the Gaozan River, (this is the exact spot wherein defeated and deported Israel had been located by Shalamanezer V of Assyia)... Mr. Turner quotes The Vetus Chronicon Holstatioe, Ã¢â¬ÅThe Danes and the Jutes are Jews, (read: Israelites), of the tribe of DanÃ¢â¬Â; it doesnÃ¢â¬â¢t take a brain surgeon to realize that if the Danes and Jutes of European stock are of the tribe of Dan that the other European peoples were derived of the other Israelite tribes...

.....Diodorus Siculus, (1st century), a noted Greek Historian, states, Ã¢â¬ÅThe Scythians anciently enjoyed but a small tract of ground, but through their valor, growing stronger by degrees, they enlarged their dominion far and near, and attained at last to a vast and glorious empire... seated themselves near the River Araxes... This nation prospered more and more, and had kings that were very famous; from whom the Sacans and the Massagetae, (Ã¢â¬ÅgreaterÃ¢â¬Â Getae, as opposed to the Thyssagetae, Ã¢â¬ÅlesserÃ¢â¬Â Getae who together became the Goths; Ostrogoths, east, and Visigoths, west), and the Arimaspians, and many other names derive their origin. Amongst others, there were two remarkable colonies that were drawn out of the conquered nations by those kings; the one they brought out of Assyria and settled in the country lying between Paphlagonia and Pontus, (south Russia near the Black Sea); the other out of Media, which they placed near the River Tanais, (Don), which people are called the Sauromatians, (Lituanian Balts)Ã¢â¬Â...

.....F.C. Danvers, K.C.C., F.R.S.S., in his Israel Redivivus, 1905, (Redivivus=second hand), indicates that Diodorus also identified two colonies among the Scythians who were Israelites out of the Babylonian captivity; fascinating indeed that the Scythians came out of the very two locations of their captivity as described by Scripture and illustrated by History...

.....William Pascoe Goard, L.L.D., F.R.G.S., F.R.E.S., in his book, The Post-Captivity Names of Israel, (1934), as he quotes Rollins Ancient History, (Charles Rollins was a distinguished French Historian and the Rector of the University of Paris in 1694; the quote is from Book VI, Chapter I, Section III), Ã¢â¬ÅAccording to this author, (Justin), the Scythians lived in great innocence and simplicity... and ... they were... unacquainted with vice. They did not make any division of their lands among themselves... since they did not cultivate them. Horace, in one of his odes, tells us... they had no houses nor settled habitation; but wandered continually with their cattle and their flocks fom country to country... and made milk and honey their principle diet... This contempt of all conveniences of life, says Justin, was attended with such an honesty and unrightness of manners as hindered them from ever coveting their neighborsÃ¢â¬â¢ goods.Ã¢â¬Â...

.....Colonel J. C. Gawler, (Keeper of the Crown Jewells in the Tower of London), in his book, Dan: The Pioneer of Israel, (1879) states, Ã¢â¬ÅStrabo likewise quotes several authors who speak of the excellent laws and habits of the Sakai, a tribe of Scythians who are called Ã¢â¬Ëa righteous raceÃ¢â¬â¢, (emphasis mine, Patrick), the laws, customs, and manners of the Scythia, (says Epiphanius), were received by the other nations as the standards of policy, civility, and polite learningÃ¢â¬Â; (for the Scythians rapid growth and expansion, evidence of their excellent laws, great learning and abhorrance of swine, see Diodorus, Herodotus, Strabo, Aeschylus, and Epiphanius... Also, Ephorus quotes Choerilus, who called the Sakai of Asia Ã¢â¬Åa colony of nomads, a righteous raceÃ¢â¬Â; Herodotus also records, (volumes IV, pp. 76), that the Scythians Ã¢â¬Åstudiously avoid the use of foreign customsÃ¢â¬Â...

.....Colonel Gawler went on, stating, "the people, the Dacae called Polistoe, I do verily believe are the same with those which Strabo called Plistoe, and were the stock of the Abii, (a Scythian tribe whom Arrian calls Ã¢â¬Åthe justest people in the worldÃ¢â¬Â)Ã¢â¬Â...

.....Frederick Haberman in his work, Tracing our White Ancestors, (1934), saysÃ¢â¬ÅAeschylus, the Greek poet tells us, the Sacae were noted for their good laws, and were preeminently a righteous peopleÃ¢â¬Â; further, Ã¢â¬ÅThe Scythians told Herodotus that their nation had been in existence for a thousand years previous to the invasion of Darius. If we date, therefore, a thousand years back from the time of Darius, 515 B.C., we arrive at 1485 B.C., the date of the exodus, (from Egypt), when Israel was founded... these lived on the Gerrhus, a tributary of the present Dneister. Herodotus includes among the Scythian tribes, the Getae, who lived on the shores of the Danube, (i.e. the Arsareth of Esdras, mentioned above). Those Getae, as Herodotus tell us, believed in their immortality, going after their death to Ã¢â¬ÅZalmoxisÃ¢â¬Â, which means nothing less than the Ã¢â¬ÅGod of MosesÃ¢â¬Â. So also was the country where the Getae lived named Moesia, for in it lived a Ã¢â¬Ëpeople of MosesÃ¢â¬â¢.Ã¢â¬Â (pp. 129)...

.....I wanted to interject this as a bonus, as I found it on one of my pasteboards while searching my files; may not fit chronologically at this point, but what the hey...

.....King James was known as Ã¢â¬ÅJacobusÃ¢â¬Â, (Jacob), and thus the flag got itÃ¢â¬â¢s name, the Union Jack. However, the symbology of the flag goes far deeper, not just back to the turn of the 17th century AD, at the beginning of the formation of the nation of Britain, (Berith Am, translates: Ã¢â¬Åcovenant nationÃ¢â¬Â), but all the way back to the ending of the 17th century BC at the beginning of the formation of the nation of Israel... I shouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t need to reiterate the story of JosephÃ¢â¬â¢s blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh, but the Ã¢â¬ÅcrossÃ¢â¬Â of the Union Jack is the result of those crossed arms...

.....The west window of Westminster Abbey, which is over the main door, has a row of panels... The three at the top contain the figures of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the next two rows of seven each contain figures of Rueben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulon, Issachar and Dan; Asher, Napthali, Joseph, Benjamin, Moses and Aaron, and the bottom row contains the emblem of Moses and the emblem of Aaron at each end, but at the center, the Lion of Judah, the Bull of Joseph, the Arms of Britain. ..

.....The coronation service throughout is an intensely interesting study... the by-far largest collection of evidence as to the whereabouts of the throne, (both figurative and literal), are detailed in a book called JacobÃ¢â¬â¢s Pillar by E. Raymond Capt... and moreso in ConnerÃ¢â¬â¢s Documents of Destiny...

Ã¢â¬Âdo not waste my timeÃ¢â¬Â

.....You were saying? Perhaps you can obtain a refund of the three dollars you had invested in Klaussen/Hale Ã¢â¬ÅbookÃ¢â¬Â, (of nonsense), wherein you learned Ã¢â¬Åoh so muchÃ¢â¬Â about History; in the meantime, learn something tangible before make such a fool of yourself in public, as the next person may not be so kind as myself...

whitehomeland

2003-06-18 01:45 | User Profile

.....Thank you so much for your return to Ã¢â¬ÅcivilityÃ¢â¬Â, (however short-lived in may have been)...

I am being civil. The nonsense that you write is utterly amazing. You must have finished the 3rd grade and then stopped. You probably figured Too much of that book learnin is the work of the devil.

Ã¢â¬ÂThe reason why you cannot show me the proof that Aryans lived in Judea 2000 years ago is because their is no proof.Ã¢â¬Â

Ã¢â¬ÂYou have not shown any proof that the lost tribes of Israel traveled to England or to America. Where is your evidence?

.....So, were the Nordics Ã¢â¬ÅgrownÃ¢â¬Â from the ground in England?

**Hey retard, here is some evidence that white people lived in Europe before your fantasy that the 10 lost tribes migrated northward. **

CRO-MAGNON - THE FIRST MODERN WHITE RACIAL TYPE

Above left and center: Cheddar Man. The well preserved skull of a complete example of Cro-Magnon man, discovered in the Cheddar Gorge in England. The skeleton was originally dated at between 40,000 and 30,000 years old, but recent research indicates that it may only be 9,000 years old. Above right: A flesh reconstruction bust of Cro-Magnon man, made by the famous anthropologist, Maurice Putnam Coon. It is from the emergence of Cro-Magnon man that recorded White history begins.

The first modern White racial type only emerged between approximately 40,000 BC and 15,000 BC in differing parts of Europe and the Near East. This time period is known as the Late Paleolithic period, also known generically as the Stone Age. This first racial type is known as Cro-Magnon man - after a site in the Dordogne region of France where the first skeletal remains were found.

Cro-Magnon man is the first biped life form with whom modern Whites can clearly claim a direct genetic affinity. White racial history therefore begins around the year 35,000 BC - and so it is with the Late Paleolithic period that the story in this book really begins.

This shift from hunter-gatherer to settled agriculturalism occurred in fits and starts all over White occupied Europe. The earliest farming sites in northern Europe are to be found in Ireland. As a general rule, the first Neolithic settlements can be said to have been established around 10,000 BC, and the cultivation of edible plants and the domestication of animals was commonplace all over Europe by 5000 BC.

White people started farming in Ireland in 10,000 B.C. They were indiginous to the area. They did not migrate from Ireland from the Middle east. Here is some more evidence that whites were in Europe before your 10 lost tribes ever got a chance to migrate

Above: A Neolithic era axe

EUROPE AND THE MIDDLE EAST - EQUALLY ADVANCED

The existence of an original civilization on the continent of Europe which predates the civilizations in the Middle East, has to a large degree been ignored by traditional history writers, particularly those who wrote during the dominant Christian era in Europe.

This was largely because of a biblical Judeo-Christian bias which held that all civilization started in the Near East (the biblical Old Testament deals exclusively with events in the Middle East, and conventional wisdom during the Age of the Church held that the Garden of Eden was in the Middle East).

This is not an accurate reflection of the facts, as in many parts of Europe relatively advanced societies were in existence either before or simultaneously with the Mesopotamian or Egyptian civilizations.

EUROPE - ORGANIZED FARMING AND COPPER

Cereal grain farms were established in central Europe by 8000 BC (almost simultaneous with the Mesopotamian "Fertile Crescent" River Valley crop cultivation) with some of the best preserved farming settlements in France and Britain have been positively dated as being in existence prior to 4000 BC.

Significantly, copper working had been established in the Balkans by the year 5000 BC - some 2000 years before the first civilization in the Mesopotamian River Valley.

In Neolithic Europe, where wood was abundant, rectangular timber houses were constructed. Some had two rooms and even gabled roofs. Remains found in Switzerland dating from around 5000 BC show that even on soft, swampy ground, the builders were able to erect houses by first laying down wooden foundations or on piles going deep into the ground.

By the year 5000 BC, White Neolithic settlements had taken on the form of established villages, towns and in a few cases, even cities, scattered throughout Europe, western and southern Russia.

These early Neolithic farmers cultivated cereals, and kept domesticated animals such as pigs, cattle and dogs. Farms were established across the European continent, with some of the best preserved sites being found in Ireland.

Their tools and hunting weapons were mostly made of flint, and their houses of timber. Clothes were made of leather, and there is also evidence of weaving. Other small implements were made of antler and bone, and they have left many examples of fairly sophisticated pottery.

Your stupid "Israelites/Jews" did not accomplish and of this in Europe. These architectural achievements were created far before the Jews escaped captivity in Assyria.

MEGALITHS - FORMIDABLE ACHIEVEMENTS

In many parts of Europe, the longest lasting remnants of this era are the megaliths ("large stones") which may have had some religious or recreational purpose. Massive blocks of stone, and sometimes wood, were moved great distances and erected in chosen areas throughout Europe, from Britain right across the continent, some even as far as the Black Sea - in Southern Russia - a stupendous achievement.

The most famous of these megalith sites is Stonehenge in Wiltshire, England, which was built in stages, the first part being erected between 3500 BC and 3000 BC.

Above: Stonehenge, England, circa 3500 - 1500 BC. Neolithic Period.

The stones used at Stonehenge were cut on site and used an ingenious ball and joint system to lock into place, as illustrated above. The ball can still be clearly seen on the top of the upright stone, left. The White people who built Megalith monuments such as these were no intellectual or technical barbarians, proving wrong the often malicious propaganda portraying the inhabitants of early Europe as savage barbarians who lived in caves.

Above: Building Megaliths was no easy task. The effort required to pull one of the massive stones erect was in itself a marathon effort, and then raising the equally huge lintels onto the top of other stones required a great deal of planning and foresight. Exactly how the early Whites did it is still a puzzle to archeology. These illustrations of how the stones were raised and of how a lintel was placed are the most commonly accepted theories of how these superhuman feats were achieved thousands of years ago.

To put this in perspective: the first stage of Stonehenge was built about 1000 years before the great Egyptian pyramids were built. (The last part of Stonehenge was built around the year 1000 BC - hundreds of years before even the Greek and Roman civilizations.) Neolithic farmers in Europe created a number of other impressive structures predating even Stonehenge.

One of the earliest is situated quite close to Stonehenge, called (confusingly) Robin Hood's Ball, which consists of what appear to be circular foundations for either a large hall or number of buildings and a grave site (judging by the human remains found in surrounding ditches). This structure dates from the very early Neolithic time, around 4000 BC, and indicates the establishment of set social structures at this early stage of European history.

Often overlooked as historical evidence for the technological ability of the Neolithic settlements are the burial chambers and tombs which are scattered over large parts of Europe: some of the oldest megalithic chamber tombs had been radio carbon dated at 6000 BC - some 3,500 years older than the famous Egyptian pyramids.

Above left: Megalith temple, Malta, circa 3000 BC. Above right: Neolithic Hall, Bories, near Gordes in France.

Above: Megalith tomb walls, intricately carved, dating from before 3000 BC, Brittany, Franc

The "Lux et Orient" or "All light comes from the East" dogma which Christianity introduced, held that all progress and civilization came from the Middle East. With accurate dating methods and intensified archeological research, it has now been shown that advanced civilizations flourished in Europe, sometimes thousands of years before similar technological advances were made in the Middle East.

One of the oldest pyramids in the world is to be found near the present day town of Marlborough, in Wiltshire, Britain. Called Silbury Hill, it is the largest prehistoric mound anywhere in Europe, standing nearly 40 meters high. It dates from around 2660 BC, preceding the great pyramids of Egypt. Although today covered with soil, excavations have revealed a carefully constructed step pyramid under the silt (as shown in the illustration below). The exact purpose of the pyramid is unknown, but it forms part of the great Avebury stone ring complex, which includes a stone circle larger than Stonehenge and a series of barrow tombs. The enormity of the building stands as a monument to the intellectual abilities of the Whites of early Britain. These were no uncivilized barbarians who erected these technically sophisticated structures.

** White people built stoneHenge far before your idiotic nonsense about Israelites traveling west into Europe. **

I think that this is pretty good documentation of the proof that their were aryans living in Europe far before the "Israelites/Jews" were held in captivity in assyria. Other Aryan tribes spread out from Caucasia into large parts of Asia. They settled in northwestern China, in the Indus valley, in Aria (Iran/Persia), in SumÃÂ¨r (Iraq), in Al-Khem (Egypt), and other places as well.

The ten tribes of the Assyrian captivity crossed northward through the Caucasus mountians, from whence we get the word Ã¢â¬ÅcaucasianÃ¢â¬Â; from there, on a westward trek, down though to Ã¢â¬ÅIberiaÃ¢â¬Â, (modern Spain), and this translates to Ã¢â¬Åland of the HebrewsÃ¢â¬Â... Hibernia is Ireland; care for the translation?

I have shown you proof that aryans already lived in Europe before your Jewish friends were held in Assyrian captivity. You have not shown me that the 10 lost tribes moved west in europe. If they did the Aryans already living in Europe would have killed them.

Denmark, (DanÃ¢â¬â¢s mark),

**This goes to show how stupid you are. The country called Denmark was called Fyn, SjÃÂ¦lland and Jylland by the Aryans living in the area. **

as well as countless other lankmarks by which we know who placed them

**You have not shown me a single land mark gumby. I have shown you Aryan landmarks like stonehenge. No Israelite built it. Stonehenge was built by white people hundreds of years before Abraham and Moses even existed. People that believe in Christian Identity have just made up this story that the ten lost tribes of Israel moved into Europe. You have not shown me any proof. I have shown you proof that Aryans already lived there. **

** I know exactly what I am talking about. I have already shown you the evidence that Aryans lived in Europe far before there were Jews held captivity in Assyria. These aryans were very advanced. I will repeat this again because you are such a simpleton: you have not proven that the 10 tribes traveled into Europe." If there were already Aryans living in Europe at the time then you are just making up assertions with no evidence.**

.....Ad Hominem, rooted in your nasty disposition... Your Ã¢â¬ÅpaganÃ¢â¬Â desires are foolishness to the nth degree...

**It is statement of fact. There is not evidence for your beliefs. Christian identity is a belief completely made up because you people are not capible of creating your own identity. You have to pretend that you are the original Jews. You probably fall asleep at night dreaming that you could have a bar mizvah. **

Ã¢â¬ÂYou cannot refute my claim that Paul was a Jew.Ã¢â¬Â

.....I was unaware that such lunacy needed refutation, (ditto for that which followed)...

** Not lunacy. Statement of fact. He was a racially conscious Jew that tricked the Pagan society's in antiquity into believing in the negative concept that the Jews have created for people outside of their society.**

Ã¢â¬Âagrees with Judiasm that man is corrupt and that all of manÃ¢â¬â¢s desires are impure and immoral.Ã¢â¬Â

Yes. Christianity believes in the idea of original sin. This means that after man got kicked out of the Garden of Eden that he has a corrupt nature. Christians believe that all of man's motives and desires are unclean. Read St. Augustine's "city of God". He was one of the original CHristians, and probably one of its most important theologians. His arguement in the book is that man has an evil nature. The jews did not change the bible later on in the middle ages. "Original Sin" is what christians have beleived from the very begining of Christianity. This is because Christianity is slave morality

Ã¢â¬ÂChristianity is the negative concept that the Jews have created for people outside of their society. Jesus was a Jew.Ã¢â¬Â

.....HereÃ¢â¬â¢s some History for you, (I would imagine the first youÃ¢â¬â¢ve encountered?); I suppose now youÃ¢â¬â¢ll tell me I made these scholars up...

.....Understanding the definition of Aw-dawm, (to blush red), is a pretty good clue to begin with...

** You do not speak Hebrew and you do not speak classical Greek. You are just rely on what another inbred redneck at Richard Butler compound told you. The fact that you associate "to blush red" with Adam having white skin is so pathetic and childish. Other races can blush. Hispanics, Asians,. Maybe Adam is Chinese"**

Scripture is a Book solely intended for Ã¢â¬ÅAdam-kindÃ¢â¬Â, or Ã¢â¬ÅAdamitesÃ¢â¬Â; it is the story of the History, (read: His story), of the race of Adamic man and the only time any other peoples, (yes, races), are mentioned is when they come into contact with Adam-kind...

** You have got to be kidding me. This shows your limited level of education. The prefix "his" in "history" has nother to do with the male gender. "His" comes from the Greek word to tell". The bible does not make any references to other races. It says that God made Adam and Eve. It does not talk about other races. You have just made that up. This is ridiculous. **

Unless one holds the unScriptural evolutionary view, then they will have to admit that the other races do not descend from Adam, or that YHVH is a liar and violates His own immutable Law of Ã¢â¬Åkind after itÃ¢â¬â¢s kindÃ¢â¬Â... He also declares in 1Corintians fifteen that not all Ã¢â¬ÅfleshÃ¢â¬Â is the same...

** It means that your Jewish god is a spook in the sky that you worship is designed to prevent you from thinking for yourself. I have already shown you that Aryans lived in Europe far before the Jews were held in captivity. I have also shown you that their were skeletons found in Europe from about 40,000 years ago. **

** It does not say this either in bible. Richard Butler has brainwashed you well**

** The Jews are gods "chosen people" you are people are bunch of freaks. I have already proven that their were no Aryans living in the middle east. I have already shown you that their were aryans living in Europe long before the Jews were held captive in Assyria. **

[/B] again this all refers to Jews not to Aryans. The bible does not mention the word "aryan" or "caucasian". Also you mention that the Jews did not even keep their word with god. This illustrates the difference between the pagan world view and the "jewish spook in the sky" propaganda that you have been raised to believe. The Aryans did not need to conform to some metaphysical entity in order to be good. They created a positive concept within their culture of the differences between themselves and other people. By your own admission these"Jews/Israelites cannot even stay true to their beliefs. They cannot even be loyal to their society." **

** What evidence do you have that their were 13 million people in the House of Judah and the house of Israel. That sounds like an overestimate. Did God take a census ever 10 years to figure out how the population grew. There were not that many people in Eygpt when the Hebrews were in bondage. Nor were there that many people in the entire Roman empire. I think that this is another bullshit statement with no evidence. It does not say 13 million people in the bible. You have made that up like everything else that you have mentioned. You are pathetic**

The acclaimed Historian, Flavius Josephus, in his work Antiquities, Book XI, Chapter V, paragraph 2, states: Ã¢â¬Å the entire body of people of Israel remained in that country, (Assyria); wherefore, there are but two tribes, (a remnant of Judah and Benjamin, which were present in Jerusalem at the time of the Ministry of The Christ), in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, not to be estimated by numberÃ¢â¬Â...

** .....The Book of Esdras, (Ezra), of The Apocrypha reveals to us that these Israelites left Assryia and migrated into a new country, which was uninhabited: Ã¢â¬Åthese are the ten tribes that in the days of King Hoshea were carried away from their own land into captivity, whom Shalmaneser, King of Assyria, made captives, and carried beyond the river, (Euphrates, which was always the spiritual border between Jerusalem and Babylon), they were carried off to another country. But they formed this plan among themselves, to leave the heathen population, and to go to a more distant region, where the human race had never lived, so that there perhaps they might keep their statutes, which they had not kept in their own country. And they went by the narrow passage of the Euphrates River. For the Most High then did wonders for them, for He held back the sources of the river until they had passed over. But it was a long journey of a year and a half to that country, and that country is called AzarethÃ¢â¬Â, (2Esdras, 13:40-47)...

** I have already shown you that their were Aryans living in Europe before the Jews were held captive in Assyria. Therefore this claim that they left the heathen land to go to an unihabited country does not refer to Europe because Aryans have always lived in Europe.**

** This is just babble you do not even make sense**

These Ã¢â¬ÅscientistsÃ¢â¬Â and Ã¢â¬Ågreat mindsÃ¢â¬Â can supposedly trace the earthÃ¢â¬â¢s origins back hundreds of billions of years using bits and pieces of weeds, bugs and animals, yet they claim they cannot trace the origins of the Germanic peoples back a mere 2,500 years?! Right...

**This proves that you have only a 3rd grade education. Scientists do not claim that the earth is "hundreds of billions years old". It is 4 billion. You must be retarded. **

** This all refers to jews it does not have anything to do with Aryans. Also since the jews did not stay consistent with their beliefs and did not stay loyal to thier society it proves that the Pagan worldview is better**

** There is no proof of this and it does not prove that the Jews in the bible were really Aryans. Nor does it prove that these aryans migrated into Europe. I have already proven how their were Aryans living in Europe before you heroes the Jews were held in captivity.**

** There is not proof that Israelites passed over the Caucasus mountains. I have already proven how their were Aryans living in Europe before you heroes the Jews were held in captivity. These Aryan migrated eastward. **

.....The name Saxon was derived from the Hebrew, Saka-sunni and it means "son of Saks" or "Isaac's sons"; in Documents of Destiny, by F. Wallace Connon, (London, 1958), it is stated, "Dr. Holt Yates says: 'The word Saxon comes from sons of Isaac', and he gives Saak, Saac, Saax, Saach-en and shows that in many eastern languages , "sons of" is often written sunnia, which would give the sons of Isaac as saac-sunnia...

** This is nonsense. I have proven that their were already aryans living in Europe. Therefore the "Israelites/Jews" or whatever your deluded mind wants to call these people never moved into Europe. They did not name them.**

.....The Babylonians also referred to the Scythians as Gimirra/Gimiri, meaning "tribes" as the Israelites were virtually the only people broken into subsets of tribes and sub-tribes, and this is borne out by Strabo, Greek Historian and geographer; the Romans called them Kimmiroi... all of these names translated to the English "Cimmerian" or "Cimbri"... The Assyrians and Babylonians also called the Israelites "Sak-Galutha" or "Bit-Khumri"; "Galutha" meaning "captive" in Hebrew and "Bit-Khumri" being the Assyrian equivalent to the Hebrew "Beth-Omri", which meant "House of Omri"...

.....Albinus, (1st century B.C.), wrote, "the Saxons were descended from the ancient Sacae in Asia, and in the process of time they came to be called Saxons"...

.....George Moore, in his Saxons East and West stated, "The Sacae and the Getae who formerly invaded India sprang from the same source as the Saxons and Goths of the West, and were distinctly connected with the Israelites"...

.....Ptolemy, (2nd century, A. D.), Greco-Egyptian astronomer, mathematician, and geographer, stated the "Saxons were a Scythian people descended from the Sakae, who came from Media"...

[color=red]**.....Professor Hans F. K. Gunter, (German ethnologist), states, "Whatever peoples, whatever individual Viking bands, may have trodden English ground, Celts, Angels, Jutes, Danes, Norweigian and Icelandic Vikings, Normans, they were all predominantly Nordic peoples." The Racial Elements of European History, 1927...

.....Professor Huxley, stated, "If what I have to say in a matter of science weighs with any man who has political power, I ask him to believe that the arguments about the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Celts are a mere sham and delusion.", (from a quotation by Sir Arthur Keith, in The Sunday Times, October 27, 1935)...

.....Sir F. Palgrove, stated, "Britons, Anglo-Saxons, Danes and Normans were all relations, however hostile, they were all kinsmen, shedding kindred blood.", (English commonwealth)...

.....Sir Arthur Keith, stated, "As regards shape of skull or form of bones I do not think a practised craniologist could distinguish the skulls and bones found in an ancient Saxon cemetary in Surrey from the remains of a Celtic grave in Connemara, so much are the Celtic and Saxon types alike. Were we to dress one group of fishermen from the coast of Norfolk and one group of fishermen from the shores of Connaught in the same garb, I do not think there is an anthropologist in Europe who by mere inspection could tell the Irish from the English group. From a physical point of view the Celt and the Saxon are one; whatever be the source of their mutual antagonism, it does not lie in a difference of race. It is often said that we British are a mixed and mongrel collection of types and breeds; the truth is that as regards physical type the inhabitants of the British Isles are the most uniform of all the large nationalities of Europe.", (Nationality and Race From an Anthropologist's Point of View, (1919, pp. 23-24)...**[/color] .....Sir T. Nicholas, wrote, Ã¢â¬ÅThe researches of modern Historians, unequivocally favor the opinion that under the name Keltai, Galaltai, Gauls, Gaels, Gwyddils, Celts, Cimmerii, Cimbri, Cymry, Brythons, Lloegrians, Scots and Picts, only one race under different tribe or clan divisions, political organizations and periods of existence, is spoken of, hence, one people.Ã¢â¬Å, (Missing Links, pp. 225)...

.....Professor Sharon Turner, F.S.A., R.A.S.L., in his History of the Anglo-Saxons, (1799-1805), states, Ã¢â¬ÅThe Anglo-Saxons, Lowland Scotch, Normans and Danes have all sprung from the great fountain of the first human race which we have distinguished by the terms Scythian and Gothic... (the Scythians migrated)... crossed the Araxes, (Aras River), passing out of Asia, and suddenly appeared in Europe in the sixth century B. C....

.....In the British Museum, there are Assyrian tablets which were found in Ninevah in which we find the first mention of the Scythians in History around 699-681, B.C., (ironic that the city that was spared judgement by YHVH plays a role in identifying Israel); there were additional records discovered in Ninevah and Babylon that illustrate beyond a doubt that the Israelites were the Sacae and the Scythians, (Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets, by E. Raymond Capt, M.A., A.I.A., F.S.A., 1985)... In the timeframe mentioned the Scythians were living in Medes; the significance of this discovery was that with this, we see the beginning of the fulfillment of prophecy... The Assyrian term Iskuza, was the result of the name the Israelites had for themselves as Ã¢â¬ÅIsaacaÃ¢â¬Â, which was more than likely to remind themselves that they were, indeed, the children of the promise, and that YHVH would keep them, even in their captivity; they eventually had forgotten why they were so named and shortly thereafter, forgot they were Israel at all...

.....About 1800 in England, (which coincides with the ending of the 2520 years of national punishment), the population began to wonder of their roots and question from whence they came; there was an exceptional gentleman and scholar that rose to the questions... Sharon Turner, F.S.A., R.A.S.L., (1768-1847), wrote his several volumes of impeccable scholarship, establishing himself as the foremost authority on The History of the Anglo-Saxons, which, even today stands as the final word on the subject; his 1,820 pages reveals that the Anglo-Saxons descend from the Scythians who had come to Europe from the Median cities on the Gaozan River, (this is the exact spot wherein defeated and deported Israel had been located by Shalamanezer V of Assyia)... Mr. Turner quotes The Vetus Chronicon Holstatioe, Ã¢â¬ÅThe Danes and the Jutes are Jews, (read: Israelites), of the tribe of DanÃ¢â¬Â; it doesnÃ¢â¬â¢t take a brain surgeon to realize that if the Danes and Jutes of European stock are of the tribe of Dan that the other European peoples were derived of the other Israelite tribes...

.....F.C. Danvers, K.C.C., F.R.S.S., in his Israel Redivivus, 1905, (Redivivus=second hand), indicates that Diodorus also identified two colonies among the Scythians who were Israelites out of the Babylonian captivity; fascinating indeed that the Scythians came out of the very two locations of their captivity as described by Scripture and illustrated by History...

.....William Pascoe Goard, L.L.D., F.R.G.S., F.R.E.S., in his book, The Post-Captivity Names of Israel, (1934), as he quotes Rollins Ancient History, (Charles Rollins was a distinguished French Historian and the Rector of the University of Paris in 1694; the quote is from Book VI, Chapter I, Section III), Ã¢â¬ÅAccording to this author, (Justin), the Scythians lived in great innocence and simplicity... and ... they were... unacquainted with vice. They did not make any division of their lands among themselves... since they did not cultivate them. Horace, in one of his odes, tells us... they had no houses nor settled habitation; but wandered continually with their cattle and their flocks fom country to country... and made milk and honey their principle diet... This contempt of all conveniences of life, says Justin, was attended with such an honesty and unrightness of manners as hindered them from ever coveting their neighborsÃ¢â¬â¢ goods.Ã¢â¬Â...

.....Colonel J. C. Gawler, (Keeper of the Crown Jewells in the Tower of London), in his book, Dan: The Pioneer of Israel, (1879) states, Ã¢â¬ÅStrabo likewise quotes several authors who speak of the excellent laws and habits of the Sakai, a tribe of Scythians who are called Ã¢â¬Ëa righteous raceÃ¢â¬â¢, (emphasis mine, Patrick), the laws, customs, and manners of the Scythia, (says Epiphanius), were received by the other nations as the standards of policy, civility, and polite learningÃ¢â¬Â; (for the Scythians rapid growth and expansion, evidence of their excellent laws, great learning and abhorrance of swine, see Diodorus, Herodotus, Strabo, Aeschylus, and Epiphanius... Also, Ephorus quotes Choerilus, who called the Sakai of Asia Ã¢â¬Åa colony of nomads, a righteous raceÃ¢â¬Â; Herodotus also records, (volumes IV, pp. 76), that the Scythians Ã¢â¬Åstudiously avoid the use of foreign customsÃ¢â¬Â...

.....Colonel Gawler went on, stating, "the people, the Dacae called Polistoe, I do verily believe are the same with those which Strabo called Plistoe, and were the stock of the Abii, (a Scythian tribe whom Arrian calls Ã¢â¬Åthe justest people in the worldÃ¢â¬Â)Ã¢â¬Â...

.....Frederick Haberman in his work, Tracing our White Ancestors, (1934), saysÃ¢â¬ÅAeschylus, the Greek poet tells us, the Sacae were noted for their good laws, and were preeminently a righteous peopleÃ¢â¬Â; further, Ã¢â¬ÅThe Scythians told Herodotus that their nation had been in existence for a thousand years previous to the invasion of Darius. If we date, therefore, a thousand years back from the time of Darius, 515 B.C., we arrive at 1485 B.C., the date of the exodus, (from Egypt), when Israel was founded... these lived on the Gerrhus, a tributary of the present Dneister. Herodotus includes among the Scythian tribes, the Getae, who lived on the shores of the Danube, (i.e. the Arsareth of Esdras, mentioned above). Those Getae, as Herodotus tell us, believed in their immortality, going after their death to Ã¢â¬ÅZalmoxisÃ¢â¬Â, which means nothing less than the Ã¢â¬ÅGod of MosesÃ¢â¬Â. So also was the country where the Getae lived named Moesia, for in it lived a Ã¢â¬Ëpeople of MosesÃ¢â¬â¢.Ã¢â¬Â (pp. 129)...

.....I wanted to interject this as a bonus, as I found it on one of my pasteboards while searching my files; may not fit chronologically at this point, but what the hey...

.....King James was known as Ã¢â¬ÅJacobusÃ¢â¬Â, (Jacob), and thus the flag got itÃ¢â¬â¢s name, the Union Jack. However, the symbology of the flag goes far deeper, not just back to the turn of the 17th century AD, at the beginning of the formation of the nation of Britain, (Berith Am, translates: Ã¢â¬Åcovenant nationÃ¢â¬Â), but all the way back to the ending of the 17th century BC at the beginning of the formation of the nation of Israel... I shouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t need to reiterate the story of JosephÃ¢â¬â��¢s blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh, but the Ã¢â¬ÅcrossÃ¢â¬Â of the Union Jack is the result of those crossed arms...

Ã¢â¬Âdo not waste my timeÃ¢â¬Â

whitehomeland

2003-06-18 01:46 | User Profile

It tended to include pictures in my post but unfortunately it did not work. I will try again tomorrow.

Patrick

2003-06-18 03:49 | User Profile

I get it...

.....You're a troll; only trolls speak as you... That said, you don't know anything about that which you speak; you attempt to put words in my mouth that I never said; I'll grant you that there were even whites in this country over a thousand years prior to the modern Historical record... we weren't necessarily talking about that; personally, I'm beginning to believe that you, with your nasty deameanor, are unworthy of discourse...

"Hey retard, here is some evidence that white people lived in Europe before your fantasy that the 10 lost tribes migrated northward."

.....Statements such as this serve rather aptly to illustrate the bankruptcy of your position; have you ever heard the term "diaspora"? It mean "dispersed" and it in no wise is in reference to the "jews", despite their claims to the contrary; further, there are whites that are not of Israel, and there were other races in existence prior to Adam... I haven't disagreed that there may well have been whites in Europe prior to the Israelite's migration; one does not necessarily preclude the other, but the whites that were in America, (that they are still diggin up and the word of such is buried), were either wiped out, or they left the area... you're welcome to believe whatever nonsense you encounter, but you have no reason to expect the learned to join you in such profound folly; if you wish to carry water for the antiChrist "jews", you're more than welcome to do so, but you relinquish your license to assail my position with your namecalling nonsense and your blaspheme... you're the one pushing "jewish" fables herein; personally, I believe you're way put of your league... how old was it you said you were?

.....I suppose your "evidence" is the same trot the pseudo-scientists "trot out" to advance their "evolution", javatheapemanismyuncle, idiocy; how's that working out for you? Your dates seem to be contrived, at best; did you do the math? :lol:

.....And while I understand the common misconception equates Israel with the satanic "jews", (for whom you carry water, recall?), once one is informed that they are not synonymous, they are no longer protected in their ignorance, but are liable for the information, to either prove it to themselves, or be bound in their deception; looks as though you're a fan of the latter... That you either don't know the difference, or pretend to not know, is a problem of your own, as opposed to mine; if your heart tells you there is no Father, then you probably have none; you certainly have yet to bear fruit that I can see... Now, stop trolling like a child; I believe this is an adult board, and if you cannot relate to adults, there is always more traffic that needs playing in, youngster... so run along...

whitehomeland

2003-06-18 12:38 | User Profile

but the whites that were in America, (that they are still diggin up and the word of such is buried), were either wiped out, or they left the area... you're welcome to believe whatever nonsense you encounter, but you have no reason to expect the learned to join you in such profound folly;

**I was not talking about America. I was talking about Europe. Where is their any evidence that the whites in Europe were wiped out. There is no evidence. You just make this nonsense up. This is what you knowledge of the bible equals: :dung: The Aryans in Europe built Stonehenge. They created their own technology.

You are the one that is holding back the Aryan race. You worship a Jewish god because you lack the orginality to create your own identity. So instead you have to pretend that you are the original Jew. This is pathetic. I do not need to believe in a metaphysical spook in the sky to validate by goodness. Unfortunatly you do.

Maybe you should go to a psychologist to discuss your feelings about why you want to be a Jew so much.

Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Paul of Tarsus, Karl Marx, and Trotsky are all jews. They have the same purpose which is to impose the negative concept that jews have created for people outside of their society onto the Aryan. My Aryan ancestors ruled the world thousands of years ago. The Jews hate them for that. You are as much as a victim as the non racially conscious white Americans. So I do not have any animosity towards you. Lets see if we can find some common ground and leave the arguing over history for another time.

The following is an essay that I have written for non racially conscious white people. Tell me what you think.

The purpose of white nationalism is to awake non racially conscious white people to the reality that minorities act collectively to further their own society's advantage at the expense of white people so therefore white people should act collectively to defend themselves.

Jews act collectively to further their own society's advantage at the expense of white people. Jews do not care about America. They only care about Israel. AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) is the largest political action committee in the United States. They lobby America to support Israel's terrorism against the Palestinians. Every election cycle they give 10 million dollars to virtually every member of Congress and all mainstream presidential candidates. (with the exception of Pat Buchanan). Jews have created think tanks in Washington D.C. to lobby for America to sponsor Israel. Organizations such as Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), Hudson Institute, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Middle East Forum, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), Center for Security Policy (CSP)

As a result of AIPAC's aggressive lobbying efforts no matter which party controls Congress or the Executive branch, the politicians do whatever is in Israel's best interests. America gives Israel all of its best military equipment and hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid every year. The Jews use their massive military advantage to force the Palestinians off their land on the West Bank and Gaza Stripe so that the Jews can have more living space to build their own housing settlements. They want to create a pure Jewish society and need more living space to take in the Jews from Russia and Eastern Europe.

The news media is extremely biased in how it covers the violence in the Middle East. When a Jew is killed the news media tells the story from a "humanistic point of view". They show you a picture of a funeral procession, the picture of the dead person, and some pictures of his grieving relatives. Then they show you a picture of a bunch of Arabs burning an American flag and screaming. The picture does not have anything to do with the Israeli getting killed. The news media just wants to convey the image to that the Jews are the innocent victims and the Arabs are crazy people that hate America for no reason. The news media never tells you any news stories describing Israel's policy of knocking down Palestinian housing settlements or that Israeli soldiers firing rubber bullets at Palestinian children. Instead the news media just casually tells you that Israeli police got into another shoot out with "Palestinian extremists". No mention that it was only twelve year old children throwing rocks at an Israeli bulldozer. The effect of these biased media coverage of the violence in the middle east is that the average American believes that the Jews are innocent victims and that the Arabs are crazy.

The truth is that in 1948 the British participation Palestine between the Jews and the Palestinians. The Jews did not like the share of the land that was awarded to them and began to attack the Palestinians. Since the Jews were aided by American military aid, they were able to drive 700,000 Palestinians from that land. The Palestinians have occupied that land for 1000 years. The have only turned to suicide bombings out of desperation. They do not have the high tech military equipment to fight against the Jews.

As a result of America sponsoring Israeli's terrorism against the Palestinians, the Arab states hate America. Not for some irrational reason. That is just the propaganda of the American news media. The Arabs hate America because America gives Israel the military equipment that the Israeli's use to force the Palestinians off their land on the West Bank and Gaza Stripe. Every time an M1 tank knocks over a Palestinians housing settlement it says "MADE IN THE USA" on the tank. Osma Bin Laden's "terrorism" against the United States is because of America's support for Israel's terrorism against the Palestinians. The attacks against the USS Cole, the bombing of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the attack on the World Trade Center are all because of America sponsoring Israel's terrorism against the Palestinians. The propaganda that the American leaders use is that the Arabs hate our freedom. This is nonsense. The Arabs did not engage in terrorist attacks 100 years ago against America. The reason why they do it now is because of America's support for Israel's terrorism against the Palestinians.

Osam Bin Laden in an interview that he gave to an American Journalist five years said: " So I tell American mothers if you want you sons and daughters safe, then elect a nationalist government that looks out for your own society's interests and not the interests of the Jews."

Is there any better proof than that for the real reason why the WTC was attacked.

If America wants to fight a war against terrorism the solution is not to declare war on the Arab states or to force Americans to give up our civil liberties. The solution to stopping terrorism against America is for America to stop supporting Israel. If America stopped giving them its best military equipment and stopped defending them in the United Nations then the Arab states would not attack us. The problem is that anyone who states what I have just told you would be accused of being "anti semitic" by the Israeli lobby and the ADL. WHY? Is it because that there is anything untrue about what I said? There is not a single untrue fact that I have written. Can anyone deny that the Jews forced 700,000 Palestinians off their land in 1948 ? Can anyone deny that the Jews have destroyed the Palestinians houses on the West Bank and Gaza Strip to build their own housing settlements so that that they can have more living space for their pure Jewish state. If there is a single untrue statement then please educate me?

Then why the charge of "anti semitic ism" against anyone who expresses ideas that go against the interests of Jewish people? If it is called diversity when Jews can act collectively to further their own society's advantages at the expense of other people than why is it "racist" and "hate" for a white person to act collectively to defend himself. If the Jews care more about Israel than they care about America why is it "hate" for a white person to notice this and form an "American First Political Action Committee" that lobbies American leaders to look out for America's foreign policy interests in the middle east. It is because by calling people "anti Semite" the Jews can intimidate anyone that they hate. Congressman James Moran of Virginia was calling an anti Semite by the ADL because he stated the truth that it is the Israeli lobby that controls America's foreign policy in the middle east and that they pushed for America to go to war against Iraq.

This charge of "anti Semites" is about Jews trying to intimidate anyone that disagrees with them. It is freedom and diversity for them to work collectively to lobby America to have a one sided support for Israel but it would be "anti semitic" for white nationalists to form a political action committee and try to lobby American leaders to have an America first foreign policy in the middle east.

There is an unfair double standard that minorities can act collectively to further their own society's advantage because it is their freedom when they value their relationships with members of their own society more than they value their relationships with people outside of their society. However it is racism for white people to recognize that they have a different set of political interests then minorities and to work collectively to defend themselves. It is based on propaganda.

Patrick

2003-06-18 14:59 | User Profile

Ã¢â¬ÂYou worship a Jewish god because you lack the orginality to create your own identity. So instead you have to pretend that you are the original Jew.Ã¢â¬Â

.....You not only have no idea Who I worship, you donÃ¢â¬â¢t even realize that you seem to worship a moron by the name of Hale with his humanism on steriods, manifest in his incoherent blather; you continue to equate Ã¢â¬ÅIsraeliteÃ¢â¬Â and Ã¢â¬ÅjewÃ¢â¬Â when no such parallel exists... is that because your Ã¢â¬ÅgodÃ¢â¬Â, Hale, told you they were the same? ItÃ¢â¬â¢s readily apparent that you refuse to do your own legwork, and rely upon error compounded upon error to justify this nonsense you continue to post; hell even my dog is smart enough to know that not only are Christianity and antiChrist Ã¢â¬ÅjudaismÃ¢â¬Â not the same thing, but are completely at odds with one another... your persistence in talking past the truth of the matter is of no consequence to me; youÃ¢â¬â¢re more than welcome to continue presenting yourself as an idiot for the reader, but the fault will not be mine...

Ã¢â¬ÂAbraham, Moses, Jesus, Paul of Tarsus, Karl Marx, and Trotsky are all jews.Ã¢â¬Â

.....IÃ¢â¬â¢ll certainly grant you Marx and Trotsky, the first four names were not, and your declamations to the contrary fail to make it so; an Ã¢â¬ÅIsraeliteÃ¢â¬Â is not a Ã¢â¬ÅjewÃ¢â¬Â...

Ã¢â¬ÂThey have the same purpose which is to impose the negative concept that jews have created for people outside of their society onto the Aryan.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Halespeak for: Ã¢â¬ÂI canÃ¢â¬â¢t make my case so IÃ¢â¬â¢ll just continue repeating the same nonsense and hope no one noticesÃ¢â¬Â...

Ã¢â¬ÂMy Aryan ancestors ruled the world thousands of years ago.Ã¢â¬Â

.....I donÃ¢â¬â¢t believe IÃ¢â¬â¢ve argued against this point; what you fail to acknowledge is that there was an earth age prior to the existing one... much of the evidence of that which you cite is confused with the prior age evidence, and the dating processes are unreliable, at best, and you attempt to make sense of it without the one true source, Our FatherÃ¢â¬â¢s Word, hence, your profound degree of confusion...

Ã¢â¬ÂThe Jews hate them for that.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Actually, the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â, (children of satan, the sissy), hate true Israel for the birthright dispossession of Jacob/Esau, and the enmity placed between their seeds in the garden... they hate you, and they hate me for being Christian, whether you have come to realize youÃ¢â¬â¢re a Christian, or not, they consider you one and their talmud teaches them is is okay to do as they will to you...

Ã¢â¬ÂSo I do not have any animosity towards you. Lets see if we can find some common ground and leave the arguing over history for another time.Ã¢â¬Â

.....You could have fooled me with that; if you recall, you are the one whose posts are laced with invective... I am merely giving you a bit back; how could you possibly have animosity against me when you know me not, from adam?

Ã¢â¬ÂThe following is an essay that I have written for non racially conscious white people. Tell me what you think.Ã¢â¬Â

.....Sure...

Ã¢â¬ÂThe truth is that in 1948 the British participation Palestine between the Jews and the Palestinians.Ã¢â¬Â

.....I believe you looking for the word Ã¢â¬ÅpartitioningÃ¢â¬Â; an act that they had no authority to undertake...

Ã¢â¬ÂThe Jews did not like the share of the land that was awarded to them and began to attack the Palestinians.Ã¢â¬Å

.....You might do well to include mention that the satanic Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â were attacking even prior, and that they have violated both the spirit, as well as the letter of the Balfour declaration, which was itself a violation of the the promises made to the Arabs in the Hogarth Memorandum for their assistance in battling the Ottoman turks, (BTW; your have a typo in reference to the gaza Ã¢â¬ÅstripÃ¢â¬Â)...

.....You might also mention that the term Ã¢â¬Åanti-semiteÃ¢â¬Â is a contrivance used to silence any opposition to the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â, but is actually an oxymoron when used of the non-semitic, satanic Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â; they are actually anti-semitic in their treatment of our cousin Ishmael, (the Arabs)... aside from that, not too bad; now, if youÃ¢â¬â¢d just take the time to investigate the truth of your heritage, as opposed to the Ã¢â¬ÅtruthÃ¢â¬Â fed to you by the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â concerning Christianity, and how it all dovetails to perfection... :)

whitehomeland

2003-06-18 16:11 | User Profile

aside from that, not too bad; now, if youÃ¢â¬â¢d just take the time to investigate the truth of your heritage, as opposed to the Ã¢â¬ÅthruthÃ¢â¬Â fed to you by the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â concerning Christianity, and how it all dovetails to perfection...

** Sorry for the spelling mistakes.

I have explained to you the truth of our hertitage. It is you that want to worship the Jewish god. You have not proven that Aryans originated in the middle east. You make up passages in the bible. No where in the bible does it talk about pre adamic races. THis is non sense that Richard Butler made up. You provide no proof that the 10 lost tribes of Israel traveled to Europe. You mention that they traveled North of the Euphrates River, but how do you know know that this means that they went into Europe. Maybe they went into the steppes of Russia and the past the Ural Mountains. I have reread your post Where is the proof ?

The nordic people were always in Europe and they migrated east. If aryans did not build stonehenge then who did. The Celts built stonehenge far before your Jews were held captive by Assyria.

BTW since the "Israelites/jews" were made into slaves by Assyria and Eygpt does not that show that they were a bunch of weaklings. No one conquered the nordic people of northern Europe because they are real Aryans.

Here is more proof that Europeans started in northern Europe and then moved westward.

From this heartland in northern Europe - successive waves of Indo-European Nordic invaders swept down over a period of centuries into all parts of Europe and into the Near East, conquering or displacing the peoples they found.

These original Nordic tribes had stone buildings and worked bronze and copper. How much of this metal working skill was passed south to the Middle Eastern civilizations remains a matter of debate.

However, what is certain is that successive waves of Nordic tribes started invading central and southern Europe in earnest about 2000 BC. Nordic tribes occupied large regions of Turkey, Crete, Greece and southern Europe and Italy.

Some Nordic tribes migrated into the Far East - as far as China, where Nordic remains have been found in burial chambers. The Indo-European Nordic tribes were responsible for many of the world's principal civilizations: the Aryans in India, the Kassites, the Hittites, Persian, Mycenaean, Greek, Roman, Celtic, Teutonic, Slavic and latter day Western European cultures.

THE INDO-EUROPEAN INVASIONS - PART ONE

EUROPE

The largest Indo-European invasion of Europe was carried out by four main groups:

The Celts;
The Germans;
The Balts; and
The Slavs.

All of these four major groupings arrived in the European continent in waves from around 4000 BC up to as late as 500 BC.

The word Celt itself derived from the word Keltoi, the name given to the invaders by the Greek writer Herodotus. To the Romans, the Celts were known as Galli, or Gauls; and in British Isles as Britanni.

Celtic tribes invaded Greece and Italy. In 390 BC Celts sacked Rome itself, and followed this up with a raid on the holy Greek site of Delphi in 279 BC.

Although these Indo-European tribes used different names, they were all of common Nordic sub-racial stock. Their languages all stemmed from a single proto-Indo-European language, which formed at a time when all of their ancestors lived together in their original Indo-European heartland in modern day Russia.

The influx of a relatively large amount of new Nordic sub-groupings into Europe affected the racial make-up of the various regions in different ways, depending upon the nature of the already existing original European population living there.

In areas where there was a sparse population, or where there was a greater degree of Proto-Nordics living, the Indo-Europeans maintained to a greater degree their Nordic characteristics.

Where there was an already existing Proto-Nordic/Alpine/Mediterranean mix, the nordicism of the new arrivals was soon diluted. The least populated areas and the least Alpine/Mediterranean peoples were in northern and western Europe, and these areas became a new Nordic heartland, a situation which has remained unaltered until very recently.

BRITAIN NAMED AFTER BRITANNI CELTS

By 600 BC, the Britanni Celts had occupied much of what is today known as western Europe - France, parts of the Low Countries (Belgium, Holland), Britain and Spain. The very names Brittany (in France) and Britain itself are derived from this group.

These Celts migrating westward found the regions relatively sparsely populated with an already quite mixed Proto-Nordic/Alpine/Mediterranean peoples. In most parts the Celts mixed easily with these groupings, producing a wide range of sub-grouping racial types. This has led to the Celtic "look" varying between the typical short, brown-eyed and haired "Celtic" Welshman; and the red-haired blue-eyed Scotsman also being a called a "Celt."

These western European Celts were later to be overrun by the descendants of other Indo-European tribes who had invaded Italy and had become the Romans.

THE GERMANS AND BALTS IN CENTRAL AND NORTHERN EUROPE

The Germani Indo-European tribes initially settled in what is today Denmark and southern Scandinavia around the year 4000 BC, but soon thereafter starting moving south, closer to central Europe, later giving their name to Germany.

The Balts occupied the northern coast of the continent (giving their name to the Baltic sea) and the Scandinavian countries (dominating them, with the notable exception of Finland, which has to this day retained a large part of its original Alpine/Mediterranean population make-up).

Patrick

2003-06-18 17:01 | User Profile

Ã¢â¬ÂI have explained to you the truth of our hertitage. It is you that want to worship the Jewish god.Ã¢â¬Â

.....My Father is not a Ã¢â¬ÅjewishÃ¢â¬Â God; He is The Living God of Israel, YHVH, to Whom we appeal through His Only Begotten Son, YHVHshua, Messiah, Jesus, the Christ, The Very Lamb of God... you have Ã¢â¬ÅexplainedÃ¢â¬Â, by way of illustration, that you have, at best, a fractional understanding of our heritage, and little more than a nodding acquaintance with civility...

Ã¢â¬ÂYou have not proven that Aryans originated in the middle east. You make up passages in the bible.Ã¢â¬Â

.....I make up nothing; I said that I studied in the original languages, and by so doing, that which has been obscured by the Ã¢â¬ÅjewishÃ¢â¬Â fables, is revealed... One cannot read Ã¢â¬ÅEnglish onlyÃ¢â¬Â and begin to understand the depth of Scripture, nor even the simplistic; you say that My Father is the Ã¢â¬ÅgodÃ¢â¬Â of the Ã¢â¬ÅjewsÃ¢â¬Â, but you are in serious error... if He were their Ã¢â¬ÅgodÃ¢â¬Â, why would He tell them that they were born of misegenation, and Ã¢â¬Åof **their father, the devil{/b]? You are the one that is illogical with this repated nonsense that you understand not...

Ã¢â¬ÂNo where in the bible does it talk about pre adamic races. THis is non sense that Richard Butler made up. You provide no proof that the 10 lost tribes of Israel traveled to Europe.Ã¢â¬Â

.....The were Ã¢â¬ÅtreesÃ¢â¬Â in the garden that were symbolic of the other peoples; this is rudimentary, but you wonÃ¢â¬â¢t understand it from HaleÃ¢â¬â¢s, (KlaussenÃ¢â¬â¢s), nonsense sixty-three times... The balance of your post is very sweet; why do you not cite the source? Who were the Ã¢â¬Åscholars that brought forth this information, and how do you know they had the first clue to make sense of that which they proffer?

BTW...

.....I have no idea what Butler "taught"; in my opinion, he was right up there with Robert Millar, a .gov agent, as admitted in court, to build up the white supremist movement in such fashion as to actually destroy it... Millar, and Dennis Mahon built "elohim city", (where McVeigh was a haunt), but this is a false-flag operation, straight out of the textbook for "judaizing" you...