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Thread ID: 7166 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2003-06-06
2003-06-06 04:50 | User Profile
Can anyone offer any insight into this situation? It piqued my interest when I saw that the politico in question had been branded an anti-semite. Now, it's possible he committed suicide, I'm sure, but the enemies of the chosen are known to sometimes meet spectacular ends worthy of video highlights on one of Fox TV's "Most Horrendous ___ Caught on Tape" shows.
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German politician in death plunge
A controversial former German minister has died in a parachute jump, shortly after parliament voted to lift his immunity over sleaze allegations.
Police said Juergen Moellemann, an experienced skydiver, died at an airfield near the town of Marl in his home state of North Rhine-Westphalia.
Eyewitnesses are quoted as saying that his parachute opened normally, but that he took it off.
A state prosecutor would only say that Mr Moellemann became separated from the parachute in mid-air.
Like all the others, he had activated all the parachute's safety systems, in line with the instructions
Mr Moellemann, 57, had jumped with nine friends from a small plane, police said. The others landed safely.
Witnesses quoted in the German media said they believed the politician had committed suicide.
Shortly before, investigators began searching Mr Moellemann's home in Muenster and more than 20 other addresses in Germany, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and Spain.
Mr Moellemann, the former deputy leader of Germany's centrist Free Democratic Party (FDP), was being investigated over allegations that he broke laws on party funding, fraud and breach of trust.
He resigned from the party in March after being accused of anti-Semitism in the run-up to last year's parliamentary elections.
Parachute 'broke free'
Mr Moellemann jumped out of the plane at 4,000 metres (13,200 feet).
One witness, who jumped from a plane at the same time as the politician, said all the group's parachutes had opened normally.
Mr Moellemann was "easily recognisable by the big letters JWM on his blue and yellow parachute," he said.
Then suddenly the chute broke free from Mr Moellemann's body, said the witness, himself an experienced skydiver.
"He must have detached it. At that stage in the descent that's all that could happen. There is no other possibility."
Mr Moellemann's spare chute then failed to open, and an automatic safety system, which would open it even if the parachutist had lost consciousness, did not activate it, the witness said.
"He must have switched it off," the witness added. * OR IT WASN'T FUNCTIONING ...*
'Time for sympathy'
FDP leader Guido Westerwelle expressed "deep sadness" at Mr Moellemann's death.
"This is not the time for political differences but for sympathy," he said.
Mr Moellemann was elected to parliament in 1972 and served as education minister and later economics minister under former Chancellor Helmut Kohl.
He stepped down as a minister in 1993 after a scandal in which he admitted promoting a product made by a relative's company.
Mr Moellemann had a passion for skydiving and often arrived by parachute at party rallies.
He was married with three daughters.
**Last year, Mr Moellemann became notorious for making allegedly anti-Semitic remarks. He also issued a leaflet shortly before national elections in which he criticised German Jewish leader Michael Friedman and Israeli leader Ariel Sharon. **
He resigned from the parliamentary group of the FDP in February, and from the party itself the following month.
He remained an independent member of parliament.
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Published: 2003/06/05 15:44:23 GMT
2003-06-15 08:37 | User Profile
Mr. Moellemann published a book in which he stated that Westerwelle was blackmailed by the Mossad. I don't know whether that's true. Moellemann is not the man who gives up easliy. He was a fighter. It is hard to me to believe the suicide story. He did good work as the Federal Minister of Economic Affairs and as the Education Minister. The idea that he is an antisemite is ridiculeous. But such allegations are thrown into the air all the time. The political clime is ultra mega politically semitically correct. Remember that Mr. Moellemann before the antisemitism debate was the most important man in the FDP. Also remember that there was a great likelihood that the FDP formed a coalition government with the opposition leader Stoiber. Once Moellemann made these remarks about Israel, the Israeli ambassador in Germany made it clear that the FDP will not be allowed to present the Foreign Minister. According to political customs, the smaller coalition partner is guaranteed the position of the Foreign Affairs Ministry. Just imagine that, some guys in Israel decide what German politician is allowed to become Foreign Minister and who not. There are other stories like that. For example Ms. Merkel, opposition leader, went to America once Schroeder went too far in his criticism about the neocon war. Ms. Merkel spoke in front of several Jewish organizations apologizing the German position and the posibility of a regime change, as Wolfowitz is particularely interested in. Mr. Moellemann didn't fit anymore in the filthy opportunist political culture. That is why he had to go. He was fake for sure, but the whole system here is so corrupt that everyone shaking the house of cards is a serious danger to the status quo. The German press is largely zionist controlled. This applies to the Springer press, the WAZ company and the Spiegel and Stern weekly newspapers. Not to mention public TV. So the badmouthing of Moellemann was nonstop. Mr. Moellemann believed that he was strong enough to play the game. But it takes people of stronger character and integrity to really shake the structure. Moellemann was just a lousy populist and thus easy prey to the zionists.
2003-06-15 11:39 | User Profile
It realy amazes me how much you know about german inner politics. Are you German? Or are you just a Yank who is stationed there?
I am the same nationality as you are, Krautland central.
As it is a habbit now to spread conspiracy theories. Here is another one. I am just joking. I am an ADL member that just spreads conspiracy theories on this board in order to advance paranoia, you know.
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"MOSSAD's business is spying and killing. MOSSAD does that in the USA just as freely as in Great Britain, France or Ger-many", writes the editor of the renowned daily "Frankfurter Allge-meine Zeitung" in his book "Top secret, BND" ("Verschlußsache BND", Munich 1997, page 70)
**Jürgen W. Möllemann is dead, another Mossad Assassination in Europe?
5 June 2003
German politician, Jürgen Möllemann, is dead ... was he killed by a Mossad hit team in Europe? Although he had years of experience as a parachutist, he supposedly jumped to his death today.
Radio reports say it was suicide. Friends of Jürgen Möllemann say he was in good spirits and was making appointments with them for next week. Suicide is 'Not an option'. For those who don't know what the fuss is about, Jürgen Mölleman was a German mainstream politician who a year or so ago publicly opposed Israel's politics and policies, mostly against Sharon and the deputy leader of the Jews in Germany. Mölleman was immediately accused of being an antisemite; he lost his position; he was expelled from his political party, the FDP; he became the subject of media hate reports; the Tax Department began investigating him.
Those who know about the psyche of the Jewish power centres, who operate on the basis of Jewish law, knew from the beginning that Jürgen W. Möllemann would be dealt with in one way or another. The prominent liberal politician, Minister in the Kohl cabinet and until the Friedman-Affair deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats in Germany (FDP), broke through the ring of obsequious hypocrisy when he called Michel Friedman publicly a "spiteful man who fosters anti-Semitism himself". Möllemann's analysis about Jews fostering anti-Semitism didn't seem to be wrong at all, because this opinion is shared by a lot of Israelis too: "72 percent of all Israelis approved recently the following statement: 'The Jews have, in the states they live, great economical power and political influence'. The Secretary General of the Jewish World Congress disclosed on April 19, 1988 to the Foreign Minister of East Germany, Mr. Fischer, the following: 'The World Jewish Congress possesses a vast political and economical influence world-wide and has got a say on all political decisions in the USA'. ... 43 percent of all Israelis approved the following statement: 'The Jews are, due to their behaviour and their character trait, responsible for anti-Semitism'." [Die Welt, Nov. 26, 1999, p. 8]
Why then was Möllemann, despite his statement being correct, was driven out from his party and from the politically correct arena? Because the Jewish power base in Germany, The Council of Jews, could not possibly tolerate that from the heart of the politically correct system, educational statements about the Jewish agenda could get through to the public.
Remember: CDU-politician, Uwe Barschel, was, according to ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky, murdered in 1987 by a Mossad hit team in a Swiss Hotel. According to Ostrovsky, Barschel had to die because he disturbed Israeli arms trade with the Iranian regime and an Israeli training programmes for Iranian fighter pilots on the soil of "Schleswig-Hostein" (German state of which Uwe Barschel was Prime Minster, comparable with a US-governor). The murder of Uwe Barschel, despite Ostrovsky's revelations in his book "The Secret Mossad-File", is still today called "suicide".
"Israeli death squads have been authorised to enter 'friendly' countries and assassinate opponents in a move that raises the prospect of political killings in Australia. Agents of the Israeli secret service Mossad have been given free rein to kill those deemed to be a threat to the Jewish state wherever they are hiding ... A spokesman for Foreign Minister Alexander Downer yesterday refused to comment on the possibility of Mossad agents operating in Australia." [Sunday Times, 19 January 2003] **
2003-06-15 16:21 | User Profile
**Who says I'm German? **
It realy amazes me how much you know about german inner politics. Are you German? Or are you just a Yank who is stationed there?
It is pretty fair to say that Germans do not consider English a foreign language but rather some version of Low German. That leads to the fact that many Germans live with the self delusion that they are good English speakers. The truth is that they do not really learn the language, but rather translate German word for word into English leading to bad style and syntax.
What you mean, Leland Gaunt, is "Innenpolitik". Innenpolitik, according to my Ponds English German dictionary translates into domestic policy, or home and domestic affairs. So Innenpolitik does not turn into "inner politics" in English.
Your mother language is German. You can be a Luxemburger, Liechtensteiner, South Tyroler, Austrian, Swiss or Alsacian of cause. But if you want to fool the Yanks and Brits on this forum that you are one of them, then please use a proper English.
As concerning conservative German politicians, they are even worse traitors than the socialists. But this is another story.
2003-06-15 16:56 | User Profile
Originally posted by jamestown@Jun 15 2003, 12:21 * ** > *Who says I'm German? **
It realy amazes me how much you know about german inner politics. Are you German? Or are you just a Yank who is stationed there?
It is pretty fair to say that Germans do not consider English a foreign language but rather some version of Low German. That leads to the fact that many Germans live with the self delusion that they are good English speakers. The truth is that they do not really learn the language, but rather translate German word for word into English leading to bad style and syntax.
What you mean, Leland Gaunt, is "Innenpolitik". Innenpolitik, according to my Ponds English German dictionary translates into domestic policy, or home and domestic affairs. So Innenpolitik does not turn into "inner politics" in English.
Your mother language is German. You can be a Luxemburger, Liechtensteiner, South Tyroler, Austrian, Swiss or Alsacian of cause. But if you want to fool the Yanks and Brits on this forum that you are one of them, then please use a proper English.
As concerning conservative German politicians, they are even worse traitors than the socialists. But this is another story. **
Very cool detective work, jamestown! :lol: If Leland is German, I don't blame him for being coy about his whereabouts, since the laws in that country are pretty draconian regarding political incorrectness. At any rate, I am pleased that Leland is among us here as a contributor and a voice of our European brethren (like triskelion, too, for that matter).
English is, after all, a Germanic language, so I can see why the Germans would learn English the way you describe.
I recall when I used to listen to shortwave radio that I'd tune across the band looking for English-language broadcasts. I would pass by the Spanish announcers, Chinese announcers, and so on, instantly identifying them as non-English language broadcasts, and I wouldn't even have to stop turning the dial. But the Germans would always fool me--they always caused me to stop turning the dial for a second because the tonal qualities and sounds they use are very similar to English. The "English-like" sounds would become unintelligible to me after that first second once they became words and sentences, and I'd think, "damn, the Germans got me again!"
Incidentally, I wouldn't have known Leland wasn't American if he hadn't used distancing phrases similar to "you Americans" in several posts. His use of the Stephen King character as his screen name also confuses the issue.
2003-06-15 19:55 | User Profile
**And where are you from jamestown and why do you use such a anglo-saxon name? You must be in Germany, because you saw the same documentary about 17th June 1953 (with Cohen/RIAS) as I did. **
I found the Samual Francis Online discussion board via Vdare. The www.Vdare.com crowd largely consists of anglophile nativists. Brimelow and company try to redefine America as a blood and soil nation. Their theory is that what is America today is largely owed to Great Britain. I always considered America as a WASP country with 10% black 1% native and some European minorities like Italian Americans. No kiding, but I once thought that the only "visible minorities" in America were Greeks, Poles and Italians. It is somehow crazy that Tom Tancredo, an Italian American, and Pat Buchanan, an Irish German Catholic are the last remnants of nativism, although the KKK had kicked such people out of America a hundred years ago.
Anyway, I always considered it a matter of fact that America was largely British. I was somehow surprised that some guy from Britain had to remind the Americans that they have a cultural heritage.
Once I discovered SFON I was somehow impressed by a bunch of guys who presented endless quotations of Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique (I haven't read the book). What was clear to me all the time, that Jews and other minorities were pushing for open borders, was obviously not clear to others, who had to read certain books first to realize what was going on.
When I was contemplating the choice of a name, I chose jamestown, because it was the first permanent English settlement in Northern America and thus made America what it is today or used to be. Chosing a name like SS-Panzergrenadier or 88Mudkicker or 14Survival69 might have let to the impression that I am some Stormfront kid so I chose a less provoking name.
I am from Hesse, near Kassel.
2003-06-15 20:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by jamestown@Jun 15 2003, 15:55 * ** > *And where are you from jamestown and why do you use such a anglo-saxon name? You must be in Germany, because you saw the same documentary about 17th June 1953 (with Cohen/RIAS) as I did. **
I found the Samual Francis Online discussion board via Vdare. The www.Vdare.com crowd largely consists of anglophile nativists. Brimelow and company try to redefine America as a blood and soil nation. Their theory is that what is America today is largely owed to Great Britain. I always considered America as a WASP country with 10% black 1% native and some European minorities like Italian Americans. No kiding, but I once thought that the only "visible minorities" in America were Greeks, Poles and Italians. It is somehow crazy that Tom Tancredo, an Italian American, and Pat Buchanan, an Irish German Catholic are the last remnants of nativism, although the KKK had kicked such people out of America a hundred years ago.
Anyway, I always considered it a matter of fact that America was largely British. I was somehow surprised that some guy from Britain had to remind the Americans that they have a cultural heritage.
Once I discovered SFON I was somehow impressed by a bunch of guys who presented endless quotations of Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique (I haven't read the book). What was clear to me all the time, that Jews and other minorities were pushing for open borders, was obviously not clear to others, who had to read certain books first to realize what was going on.
When I was contemplating the choice of a name, I chose jamestown, because it was the first permanent English settlement in Northern America and thus made America what it is today or used to be. Chosing a name like SS-Panzergrenadier or 88Mudkicker or 14Survival69 might have let to the impression that I am some Stormfront kid so I chose a less provoking name.
I am from Hesse, near Kassel. **
**No kiding, but I once thought that the only "visible minorities" in America were Greeks, Poles and Italians. It is somehow crazy that Tom Tancredo, an Italian American, and Pat Buchanan, an Irish German Catholic are the last remnants of nativism, although the KKK had kicked such people out of America a hundred years ago.
Anyway, I always considered it a matter of fact that America was largely British. I was somehow surprised that some guy from Britain had to remind the Americans that they have a cultural heritage.**
Someone just the other day here observed that it's the old "white ethnics" who are the only ones left in sizeable numbers who are willing to take up the nativist banner.
I agree with you regarding America's valuable and essential Anglo-Saxon character. To me, I think it's only logical that the Anglo-Saxons are the ones who should "call the shots" and serve as primus inter pares, since it is after all their country, founded by them. As an Italian/Irish, "European-American," I'd be the first to agree that the only way Italians, Poles and the like can fully or rightfully partake of their status as Americans is to defer to that Anglo-Saxon cultural core, which by now they have largely done. A hundred years ago, the KKK had a good point. This is why the Italian side of my family used only English in the house my father grew up in, because they recognized their obligation to assimilate.
Of course, there are various multiracialists and such who will try to say that the Mexicans and other Third Worlders should be allowed to migrate to the U.S. as long as they speak English, but I think they're comparing apples and oranges by trying to draw parallels between the Third Worlders and the experiences of the Italians or Poles. There are limits to the ability of a nation to "assimilate." Third Worlders are genetically unassimilable elements, whether they speak English or conform to other American cultural standards or not, by virtue of their utterly non-European roots. The multiracialists haven't figured out the essential difference between a vision of the U.S. as a pan-European nation and the U.S. as a "pan-human" nation.
2003-06-15 20:51 | User Profile
**You mean "Hessen". My question is are you German or are you an American living in Germany?
The only reason I post on english speaking forums is, that they are less restrictive then german ones. On german speaking boards I have already been banned because I spoke posetive of Kaiser Wilhelm II. and Hindenburg and defended Germany in WW1. **
Hesse is the English spelling. I am of Hessian and Westphalian background, was born and grew up here like my ancesters and possess the German nationality only. That should make me German, don't you think? I get most of my information from English sources. I hardly read German newspapers. When I read them, I just do so for the purpose to read between the lines and to decipher the propaganda. A hundred years ago there was some benefit in the knowledge of that language because a good chunk of scientific literature was published in German (some source even state 80% of all scientific publications). This allowed you a good access to a world of knowledge. Freedom of Speech is limited to such a narrow degree that everything anti-establishment is now deemed "antidemocratic" speech. Once freedom of speech is abolished or restricted, a culture dies. The Anglo-Saxon countries still stick to a more generous interpretation of free speech, so they still offer a more vibrant and attractive culture. But once Bush and company get their way, the English speaking world will become as intellectually dull as the German speaking world has become today.
2003-06-16 06:01 | User Profile
Do you sleep? Do you have a job?
2003-06-21 19:59 | User Profile
jamestown wrote: The German press is largely zionist controlled. This applies to the Springer press, the WAZ company and the Spiegel and Stern weekly newspapers. Not to mention public TV. So the badmouthing of Moellemann was nonstop. Mr. Moellemann believed that he was strong enough to play the game. But it takes people of stronger character and integrity to really shake the structure. Moellemann was just a lousy populist and thus easy prey to the zionists.
A non-partisan appraisal of the event would have taken place in the following manner:
1) Accident [material] 2) Accident [mechanical] 3) Foul play [motive 1] 4) Suicide [motive 2]
The media sleuths, however, jumped straight to the fourth rung of logical plausibility. No investigative footwork. No waiting for the lab report. Just a uniform death sentence from the purveyors of "mainstream" information: case closed.
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2003-07-20 16:30 | User Profile
On a related note:
LONDON, July 20 ââ¬â Haunted by accusations he over-sold the need for war in Iraq and now by the suicide of a key player in the affair, Britain's Tony Blair stood mum when asked: ''Have you got blood on your hands Mr Prime Minister?''
Blair's political fortunes took a turn for the worse with the discovery on Friday of the body of David Kelly, 59, a Defence Ministry biologist and former U.N. weapons inspector. After being forced into the public gaze, Kelly was found dead in countryside near his home with a wrist slashed."
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