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Thread ID: 7113 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2003-06-04
2003-06-04 03:17 | User Profile
"neo-Nazi" band to open for the Rolling Stones
NAZIS OPEN FOR STONES
By ALLAN HALL
June 2, 2003 -- BERLIN - A band once outlawed for its hate-filled, neo-Nazi lyrics will open for the Rolling Stones during a summer concert in Germany.
Boehse Onkelz - a deliberate German misspelling of Evil Uncles - will play before the world's most successful rock group takes the stage on Aug. 8 in Hanover.
The Evil Uncles have "renounced" their links to the far right, but there are fears that the songs that propelled them to dubious glory in the underground Hitler-worshipping scene will tarnish the Stones' image.
Klaus Hoffmann, an anti-fascist activist, was outraged at the news.
"These are poster boys for some of the nastiest elements in society," he said. "I can only think that the Stones had no idea who was signed up to play with them or that, if they did, they will now rethink the decision.
"It is intolerable to give credence to people like the Evil Uncles."
Founded in 1980, the band was idolized by skinheads. Perhaps their most distasteful medley, for which they were banned until they agreed to clean up their act, was about sending Jews off to die in the Dachau concentration camp.
The lyrics said:
"Want your Jew to die, come again to Dachau. There the Jews run fast with women and children. That is beautiful! That is good. Let us f- - - them."
A Stones spokesman in London said that the tour organizers had chosen the Evil Uncles and that they were a "recognized mainstream band" in Germany.
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**heritagelost,
Thanks for your reply and the information. **It did seen to me unlikely. Note I did put quotes around the word "nazi."
** It seems like I've heard this same story over and over about dozens of different German bands.
I dated a girl who grew up in Germany who swore over and over that Ramstien was a nazi band who played neo-nazi concerts and rallies.
I told her she was wrong. **
2003-06-04 13:44 | User Profile
It seems like I've heard this same story over and over about dozens of different German bands.
I dated a girl who grew up in Germany who swore over and over that Ramstien was a nazi band who played neo-nazi concerts and rallies.
I told her she was wrong.
2003-06-06 15:53 | User Profile
I don't know that particular band, but, I'll assume that it is really a skin-head band... (maybe it's not, but I want to make a point here...) What's worse? A teen-band, formed by skin-heads that say things like "white power" or a band of 60 year-old druggies, alcoholic, perverted faggots? I think we all know the answer
P.S: As I am a National Socialist, I'm against the skin-head movement, which has nothing to do with the real ideal of the SA, the SS, or National Socialism as a whole... Drunk teens have nothing to do with us.:thd:
2003-06-06 15:59 | User Profile
Out of curiousity, I'm downloading some of their songs off SlSk. I'll let everyone know my opinion on the sound in a bit.
2003-06-06 16:08 | User Profile
Ok, got it and it reminds me of 70's punk. Not to my current tastes, but better than "hatecore", "hardcore" or whatever that noise is.
Actually, I'd rather listen to it than the Stones. I never really understood what's so great about the Stones. I only like one song of theirs and am wondering what they are doing still alive, with all the chemicals they pump into themselves and whatnot.
2003-06-06 16:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by Edana@Jun 6 2003, 10:08 ** Ok, got it and it reminds me of 70's punk. Not to my current tastes, but better than "hatecore", "hardcore" or whatever that noise is.
Actually, I'd rather listen to it than the Stones. I never really understood what's so great about the Stones. I only like one song of theirs and am wondering what they are doing still alive, with all the chemicals they pump into themselves and whatnot. **
"Exile on Main Street" and "Aftermath" are both GREAT rock albums...much of the Stones' later material is garbage, but I spin the aforementioned all of the time.
I agree, though, that Mick Jagger has been a sad parody of himself for about 25 years now.
2003-06-06 16:59 | User Profile
I've never been into rock at all, besides some of the stuff my dad listens to, such as CCR. I'm more of a metal and folk person.
Waiting to see Jagger and Richards putter out on the stage in walkers and wheelchairs.
2003-06-06 17:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by Edana@Jun 6 2003, 10:59 ** I've never been into rock at all, besides some of the stuff my dad listens to, such as CCR. I'm more of a metal and folk person.
Waiting to see Jagger and Richards putter out on the stage in walkers and wheelchairs. **
When I was a kid, my Mom always used to spin "Aftermath" by the Stones on vinyl, so I think that's part of why I dig it.
Lately, I dug out my old Burzum and Marduk cds and that's what I've been listening to when I hit the iron.
Best metal album, IMO, would have to be Iron Maiden's "Killers". I used to play that album raw when I was about 15...along with Megadeth "Peace Sells but Who's Buying?"
2003-06-06 17:48 | User Profile
Originally posted by Walter E Kurtz@Jun 6 2003, 11:33 ** > Originally posted by Edana@Jun 6 2003, 10:59 ** I've never been into rock at all, besides some of the stuff my dad listens to, such as CCR. I'm more of a metal and folk person.
Waiting to see Jagger and Richards putter out on the stage in walkers and wheelchairs. **
When I was a kid, my Mom always used to spin "Aftermath" by the Stones on vinyl, so I think that's part of why I dig it.
Lately, I dug out my old Burzum and Marduk cds and that's what I've been listening to when I hit the iron.
Best metal album, IMO, would have to be Iron Maiden's "Killers". I used to play that album raw when I was about 15...along with Megadeth "Peace Sells but Who's Buying?" **
I think there's a lot of old music I like simply for nostalgic reasons, just because my dad put it on all the time when I was a kid. Gives very good memories. Thanks to my dad, I've inherited a rather dorky fondness for Fleetwood Mac. Only song I like by the Stones is Paint it Black.
I listened to Slayer's Seasons in the Abyss and everything by Megadeth when I was a freshman (forget about the 90210 guys... my friend and I thought Dave M. was really cute LOL). My husband turned me on to Maiden and Bruce D. My favorite's are most of the songs on Seventh Son... and Flight of Icarus, along with Bruce D's solo albums Chemical Wedding and Accident of Birth. Been listening to Vintersorg and Haggard recently.
2003-06-06 21:18 | User Profile
Edana: ... Stones. I only like one song of theirs and am wondering what they are doing still alive, with all the chemicals they pump into themselves and whatnot.
If YOU had been pumping formaldehyde into your body for decades, you TOO could still stand up straight at age 104!!! {snicker}
2003-06-07 01:50 | User Profile
The Stones caught lightning in a bottle grabbing Mick Taylor after Brian Jones' death, but they hit a brick wall with the hiring of Ron Wood. Creatively, anyway.
As for why they're still here....the same reason that Kiss, Purple, Plant/Page, Floyd, The Who and every other 70s dinosaur won't roll over and die: they're guaranteed at least a seven figure income every time they tour.
The segue from radio/magazines/word-of-mouth to TV as the primary marketing engine for popular music has created a couple thousand flavors-o-the-month but very few acts with any real staying power or personal significance to the record-buying audience.
Interesting, no? Even minor 60s/70s bands still retain some sort of recognizable unique identity (even with kids who weren't born when they were making records!) which is directly correlated to less media coverage. Back when 'music television' meant Lawrence Welk, Andy Williams and the Lennon Sisters, you concurrently had a far more vibrant rock music subculture. Even the 'rock press' was generally ignored as see-through propaganda (every critic in America tried ramming Patti Smith and the Sex Pistols down the public's throat to no avail, since the public was continuing to buy Foghat & Ted Nugent records instead).
The long march through this particular institution took a shortcut through television exclusively, and pretty much killed rock'n'roll dead within a decade.
I like a lot of obscure/Euro bands too. There's still great music being made. But they all sound too similar to one another and have either interchangable identities.... or no identity at all. The fact that they rarely tour the States makes it even tougher for them to stand out from the pack. This is what you get now that bands either sell 10,000 cds or 10,000,000, with very little middle ground in between.
2003-06-07 02:13 | User Profile
Maybe WNs/paleo-cons what have you are more likely to be metal-headz, but does anyone on here like punk? I mean, come on, Never Mind The Bollocks... rocked like a triple-dose of methamphetamines taken on a kamikaze death spiral.
2003-06-07 02:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by 2600@Jun 6 2003, 20:13 Maybe WNs/paleo-cons what have you are more likely to be metal-headz, but does anyone on here like punk? I mean, come on, Never Mind The Bollocks... rocked like a triple-dose of methamphetamines taken on a kamikaze death spiral.
I do, including the Ramones (yeah I know Joey was a Jew), and even those lefties, The Clash. :punk:
2003-06-07 02:49 | User Profile
I like a lot of the Stones' music, but I think they stopped making good records after "Tattoo You".
I've never been one for the rock press. I used to read a lot of old Rolling Stone magazines from the 1970's about 10 years ago, and they were so pretensious it oozed out of them like molasses. I was only a toddler when "punk" was big (in England); I don't think any punk act ever hit it big in America, unless they had one song that was radio-friendly (Patti Smith's "Because The Night" is a case in point). Others were labelled as "punk" but came off as being harmless, such as Blondie. I think even "new wave" was never truly successful in America. England was big on that stuff. How ironic that they imported almost all of their singers on America beginning in 1964 and twenty years later only a few new acts would have a single in America (let alone a popular record). Duran Duran is the only act that had a lot of hits in the States that comes to my mind immediately.
2003-06-07 03:00 | User Profile
I like a lot of obscure/Euro bands too. There's still great music being made. But they all sound too similar to one another and have either interchangable identities.... or no identity at all.
Do you think Blind Guardian has interchangable identity or no identity?
2003-06-07 03:03 | User Profile
Originally posted by 2600@Jun 6 2003, 20:13 ** Maybe WNs/paleo-cons what have you are more likely to be metal-headz, but does anyone on here like punk? I mean, come on, Never Mind The Bollocks... rocked like a triple-dose of methamphetamines taken on a kamikaze death spiral. **
I do, though it's hard to listen to so much of the punk I used to listen to because so many of them are total raving commies. A lot of the old stuff before the scene became very red is still OK.
2003-06-07 04:14 | User Profile
**Do you think Blind Guardian has interchangable identity or no identity? **
Well, I know who they are. At least I know from Hansi Kursch or whatever his name is. And A NIGHT AT THE OPERA is a pretty good album. I've also heard FOLLOW THE BLIND, though - which is dire. (I do enjoy a lot of Euro bands, though: Conception, The Flower Kings, Within Temptation, etc...)
But that huge, epic Sascha Paeth/Limb Schnoor sound is interchangable with a number of other Euro bands like Rhapsody, that crosses the neoclassical sound with the recent folk/progressive stylings creeping into black metal (choirs, strings, acoustic sections). It's not that these bands aren't talented, or deserve obscurity....it's that the social mechanisms that once were in place to spread the word about them have broken down. And it doesn't help that there are so many of them flooding what is at best a niche market right now.
Blind Guardian are probably the biggest of the Euro bands right now, along with Opeth, Stratovarius and In Flames, in part because they keep recording and releasing records. They've outlasted a lot of their copiers and competitors, but even the biggest Eurometal bands are small beer in terms of cd sales and name-recognition. This isn't their fault by any means; it's just that the traditional venues of publicity are a Murray Rothstein closed shop they can't get into, thus they must rely entirely upon the Internet and word-of-mouth to build their fan base. Before MTV, that might have been enough to break them to a big American audience, but the pernicious dynamic of MTV has sort of poisoned the well-water. (On the other hand, the new order of things has helped small bands by making it somewhat easier to make a living with small album-sales totals...so long as you tour locally and without a big stage show, control your own publishing & merchandising, and keep recording & releasing new material.)
I'll tell you one thing I'd like to see, Edana, and I'd appreciate any help you could offer in this regard, and that's a legitimate units-sold cd sales-chart (worldwide as well as domestic). As in all Jew-dominated businesses, the two-sets-of-books ethic rules supreme in music, too, thus it's almost impossible to ever get a straight answer as to who sold how many copies of what. (I'm sure there are a few thousand ripped-off musicians who'd like to see such a chart as well!)
2003-06-07 04:30 | User Profile
I absolutely love that musical style, though! I wish I would have heard of it when I was in high school. I do think that Blind Guardian and Rhapsody have very distinct sounds from each other. There are a lot of clones coming out, but that's always happened. A distinct and talented band makes a good sound, clones follow, and it's impossible to avoid.
**They've outlasted a lot of their copiers and competitors, but even the biggest Eurometal bands are small beer in terms of cd sales and name-recognition. This isn't their fault by any means; it's just that the traditional venues of publicity are a Murray Rothstein closed shop they can't get into, thus they must rely entirely upon the Internet and word-of-mouth to build their fan base. Before MTV, that might have been enough to break them to a big American audience, but the pernicious dynamic of MTV has sort of poisoned the well-water. **
Completely agreed. However, I think more and more people are going to become jaded with the lamestream and start to explore the internet for music. The monotony of the lamestream could be their weakness. Tonight I've been browsing [url=http://musica.mustdie.ru/en/musicians/letter/A/]this[/url] database for bands. Has just about everything in the genres I like.
I wish I could help you with finding a legitimate sales chart, but I have no clue where I would begin.
2003-08-14 22:05 | User Profile
Edana (Posted: Jun 6 2003, 17:59 )> ** I've never been into rock at all, besides some of the stuff my dad listens to, such as CCR. I'm more of a metal and folk person.
Waiting to see Jagger and Richards putter out on the stage in walkers and wheelchairs. ** When Alex Trebek asks about Creedence, just reply the greatest American rock 'n roll band ever. Nobody, most especially the Bruce Springsteens of this country, can approach Fogerty except the early giants.
2003-08-15 00:50 | User Profile
Back in my youth I used to listen to Boehse Onkelz as they were good old fashioned German Oi! like Beck's Pistols. They were never a racial band and their lyrics were fairly typical (ex. the problems of the working class, drinking songs fighting, being hassled by the cops etc.) but fun in a mindless sort of way. They were never seen as a racial band by any of the German skins I used to know and they have become just another boring metal band as of at least ten years back. The only way that the Onkelz were racist is that they didn't actively condemn racists who often liked their music. They were rather like the English bands Sham 69 and Madness in that respect. Much bother over nothing it seems.
2003-08-15 00:54 | User Profile
In Germany even the "nazis" believe in the holocost? :lol: