← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Drakmal
Thread ID: 7069 | Posts: 591 | Started: 2002-11-07
2002-11-07 12:19 | User Profile
Hello, there! I've been reading these forums anonymously for about a month now, and have been pleased to see that there still exist a few corners of the Internet where conservatives (or I guess I should say paleocons) still exist in numbers. May it remain so!
(Incidentally, does the :huh: smily remind anyone else of President W?)
Drakmal
2002-11-07 17:26 | User Profile
Howdy, Drakmal. Welcome!
This is an extraordinary forum, indeed.
2002-11-17 09:50 | User Profile
Hello, friends!
Nice to see a sane forum between the Regime bovines and the Hollywood "Nazis".
I'm still registered on Robinson's 'Free (sic) Republic', but can't abide a site where the talmudist Irv Rubin is held in greater acclaim than is Ron Paul.
2002-11-17 15:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by Howard Campbell@Jr.,Nov 17 2002, 03:50 **Hello, friends!
Nice to see a sane forum between the Regime bovines and the Hollywood "Nazis".
I'm still registered on Robinson's 'Free (sic) Republic', but can't abide a site where the talmudist Irv Rubin is held in greater acclaim than is Ron Paul.**
Hello, HC,
Welcome! You have now discovered, in OD, the finest forum on the net.
2002-11-18 18:22 | User Profile
Hi there, folks. Awesome site you've got here. I've been looking over some of the posts on this board, and there's obviously a great bunch of people around these parts. I'm looking forward to learning from you all and contributing as much as possible.
2002-11-18 18:30 | User Profile
Warmest of welcomes to all recent arrivals. Jump in - the water's brown, boiling hot and loaded with toxins and discarded hypodermics. (Then again, that's why we're all here in the first place!)
2002-11-18 22:38 | User Profile
Thanks for the warm greeting, NN & Ragno!
I feel like that guy wearing the alien-revealing sunglasses for the first time in They Live. ;)
2002-11-20 10:30 | User Profile
I joined months ago, am honestly not eager to say what is required of me to say, by station, knowledge, gifts, perspective and conscience; nor, to see either my name or moniker on anybody's screen or board....but post only under the highest compulsion to communicate what is happening, not being put together.
The following is a warning to newcomers, as well as information for all.
Etherzone article by Dr. Henry Makow "Israel's Covert Aggression Policy: The Zionist Roots of The "War On Terrorism", is freud. A crock of truth. That is to say, some truth, mostly crock. This is most, most serious stuff, so don't read if you are identified with Jews, Catholics, right-wing neocon Republican traitors trying to avoid exposure. Because here's your demon man.
First, the truths. Makow cites the usual complaints long accepted, and insisted upon, by this group, threading a few examples:
-Jews (some) invent dangers to themselves in order to gain sympathy, evoke their right to exist, and confront critics as "anti-Semitic"
-Jews, in the form of Israel's Mossad, have used agents provacateur to sacrifice their own people for propaganda. Or got Abu Nidal to do it. Curiously, Klinghoffer isn't mentioned. Neither are Chabra and Shatila, Lebanon in '82, where Sharon allowed, or encouraged, Geymayel's "Christian militia" to wantonly thousands of mostly women and children -- written up by Wm. Safire using the word "Christian" 30+ times (I saved the article) to associate with the slaughter, as if to bloody the name). The main points get admitted; but where it most vehemently applies gets carefully screened out.
I have encountered this tactic on other boards (WP, before getting banned; LAT -- "protestantOne" back during the summer) by Israeli Avatars. They will state what is supposed to be on everybody's mind who is thinking about their involvement in 9/11 in the starkest, even over-exaggerated terms (by the end, you feel like they are yanking your posey) -- but with a peculiar "flat affect" for things of really great emotional turbullence. Like Dahmer talking about love. (Did Jews get spared by phone calls pre-p/11? that's the rumor. True or false? Dr. Makow says, "you decide". He's not telling; it just sounds like it.) The moniker of these Avatars will be "DAVIDUKE5", or something like that. Undigested goober chick pea soup, the absolute worst, so that you finally had to discredit the source, no matter how much truth was there. Then, in discrediting the source, discrediting the ideas tagged to it.
Here's the crock. "Esoterically" the Man tells us -- the word means secret knowledge -- its the (old Bavarian) Illuminati, "a secret society within another secret society": " the Freemasons who are dedicated to sacrificing mankind to Lucifer." They have invented anti-Semitism, putting Jews out there like bait to catch whoever the "enemy" is needed for the sacrifice -- Nazis, Catholics, holocaust denyers, "Ayrians" (whoever they are). All cunningly contrived to create hate for these, some entirely undeservingly included!
Well, as they say, not exactly. Dad wasn't dedicated to sacrificing mankind to Lucifer, like the Rothchilds and the Rockefellers, I don't think ... Dr. Mackow's free and easy style for the right-wing pro-Nazi cartel who shipped oil to and through Franco's Spain during WWII, interestingly enough ... or aren't we supposed to remember the difference between US and German dead? ... puts him in a little higher-fallutin, class of anti-Catholic and anti-Jew than he really was. If he was. He never spoke of it, and didn't keep up his dues, I know for a fact, and he never fit in with the Kiwanis/Rotary types who did. So I'll have to take a bit of personal exception, to Dr. Monkyeeow's little piece of scumbag smear there. Unless, of course, by "Lucifer", he might, in fact, mean "bringer of light"; using the little gimmick of reversal-potential here to anyone who spots the identity of the psychosis and ""I AM GOD" written on the Tarot "Death Card", at the scene the shooting of a young boy. I think what we've got going on here is your basic mindf*ck operation, following out, then looping back onto itself, the threads of stunning accusations left behind if you take out the illuminati-Freemason crock.
This is an operation to try and get by the Know-Nothings, circa 1855, as an emerging politicai force that will sweep them ifrom the red states into the deep Atlantic. They were Freemason- based, like George Washngton -- and virulently anti-Catholic. A bunch of them got together one night in Washington while they were erecting the monument, and threw the Pope's stone -- sent for inclusion in its interior alongside stones from the various states -- into the Potamac river. If they hadn't, it would be in there. Since they did, it isn't. (But the House "chaplain" turns the collar backward, and that started under Bush before 9/11.)
George Will has just written an article "Native Born", repeating the old "we are a nation of immigrants" thing denying "native" can mean anything at all (killing the spirit with a single stroke of the pen), [url=http://www.townhall.com/columnist/georgewill/printgw20021118shtml]http://www.townhall.com/columnist/georgewi...gw20021118shtml[/url]
The local Gannet ran GW's piece with "bigotry" attributed to Protestants in the title. Its part of the same thing.
No, this one is using the Jews precisely for what it accuses Freemasons of doing -- trolling for stupids to titilate. Dr. Monkee is about as much of an expert on esotericism as Bo Dietl is on law enforcement. This is part of that outfit the spy Hanssen belonged to, the spy that shared the chapel with Louis Freeh and Antonin Scalia, pictures of him and his wife (so its said: I don't believe it, and point to it as how far they would go to divert America's right to know into the Roger Ailles and Rupert Murdoch's comodity based on what their debauched mentality and debased character decides will be spiritually uplifting, this month. Will it be Clint Eastwood, in the Good, The Bad and The Ugly? Unforgiven?
2002-11-20 14:03 | User Profile
Originally posted by Howard Campbell@Jr.,Nov 18 2002, 22:38 Thanks for the warm greeting, NN & Ragno! I feel like that guy wearing the alien-revealing sunglasses for the first time in They Live. ;)
I love that film: 'DONT THINK!'
2002-11-23 22:17 | User Profile
Hello All! I've been reading the posts on this board for some time now and thought it was time to sign up and perhaps throw in my two cents when the spirit moved. To tell the truth, though, I will probably be doing more reading and learning from you folks than advancing my own opinions.
I was of the libertarian mindset for quite some time, but after doing quite a bit of reading of taboo literature on the internet I've begun to realize the profound differences in human genetic population groups (previously known as "races" to sane people ) that make the coexistence of racial diversity and constitutional freedoms impossible or at least very undesirable.
I have also read Professor MacDonald's 'Culture of Critique' in the last year, and as the people on OD already know, the ramifications of this work are quite unsettling to a person's Weltanshauung if he is previously of the opinion that the 'History Channel' is in the business of presenting facts rather than propaganda.
It is quite scary to realize that you are drifting towards positions that are regarded by the rest of society in the same way that Satan-worship was regarded by medieval clergymen. It is much easier to speak out for smoking weed and abolishing the income tax than it is to politely mention that Jewish-led movements have destroyed the underpinnings of Western culture or that repeated testing has shown sub-Saharan Africans to possess IQ's in the 70's. (I still blanche at merely writing this information down!)
All in all I am glad to find likeminded folks to whose banner I can rally!
2002-11-23 23:07 | User Profile
Welcome, Maximillian,
Good to meet another recovering libertarian!
Before long, you'll find that walking on the wild side will seem like second nature - stick around.
2002-11-24 17:32 | User Profile
It is quite scary to realize that you are drifting towards positions that are regarded by the rest of society in the same way that Satan-worship was regarded by medieval clergymen. It is much easier to speak out for smoking weed and abolishing the income tax than it is to politely mention that Jewish-led movements have destroyed the underpinnings of Western culture or that repeated testing has shown sub-Saharan Africans to possess IQ's in the 70's. (I still blanche at merely writing this information down!)
The important thing is not so much overcoming that trepidation, but realizing that it's 2002 and you're an adult living in "the freest country on Earth", afraid of your own thoughts. (Not to mention that - like 98% of everyone here - you were raised/indoctrinated in a liberal mindset; if not at home, then at school; and thus you've come to think these thoughts with great reluctance, fighting their truth & commonsense logic every step of the way, no doubt.)
Only by realizing that you're in America, flinching at ideas and thoughts can you understand why you ought to be furious. Your fury will help you overcome the fear.
Welcome aboard.
2002-11-26 05:07 | User Profile
Originally posted by Maximillian@Nov 23 2002, 17:17 I was of the libertarian mindset for quite some time, but after doing quite a bit of reading of taboo literature on the internet I've begun to realize the profound differences in human genetic population groups (previously known as "races" to sane people ) that make the coexistence of racial diversity and constitutional freedoms impossible or at least very undesirable.
Welcome. I have myself moved away from the libertarian outlook. I have realized the liberty was created for man, and not man for liberty. Some men given liberty are a terror.
I'd add that gender differences are also a taboo subject that needs to be reexamined.
2002-11-27 16:20 | User Profile
Greetings all,
Im glad to have found you. Ive missed some of you posting elsewhere and wondered where you went.
I guess its protocol to attempt to describe ones leanings at this point. I really dont claim a particular label, Im a man without a tent...
I hesitate to call myself a "constitutionalist", too many that Ive met that operate under that label are just religious cultists with an interest in politics.
I dont like to call myself a "Libertarian", the idea of no borders and the partys idea of free trade is puerile and especially hypocritical given the "back to the Founders" message the party claims to represent.
I dont like to call myself a "paleocon", too many assume a oneness with present day Republicans and therefor authoritarianism.
..."Anti-socialist, Keep Your Cult to Yourself and Your Hands Off My Money, Free Americans Firster" just doesnt have much of a ring to it.
2002-11-27 16:26 | User Profile
No need to pigeon-hole yourself with a label -- welcome!
2002-11-27 23:43 | User Profile
An overdue introduction. (How rude of me!)
Recovering Libertarian. I don't think I deserted them, so much as they deserted me.
Went from the horrible depths of actually voting for Ann-freaking-Richards (Dear God, did I just admit that? Go ahead, I deserve all the slings and arrows you may send my way) during the stupidity of my youth :wacko: (Hey, we all make mistakes, right? Horrible, shameful mistakes) to the fold of paleoconservatism/Nationalism.
Been around long enough to wonder what happened to the United States grandmom and grandpop talked about but young enough to have a hope of seeing the current trash heap possibly sprout something we can be proud of again.
I watched the seeming overnight transformation of conservatism from mom & apple pie to zionist knob-polisher. The speed with which it happened was downright creepy, I tell ya. Kind of like The Thing. While disgusted with Dole in 1996, I guess the true breaking point was the 2000 election in which the moral bankruptcy of the republican party became too much for even my wishful thinking to disguise. I remember clearly, seeing GW Bush speak on the stump for the first time and thinking, "This? This is the standard bearer for conservatism and what is going to repudiate liberalism? Ha!"
It's been a heck of a ride.
2002-11-28 01:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by MadScienceType@Nov 27 2002, 23:43 **An overdue introduction. (How rude of me!)
Recovering Libertarian. I don't think I deserted them, so much as they deserted me.**
No need to apologize. There are so many ex-libertarians, and so many people around here who still hold to some form of Lew Rockwell style paleo-libertarianism, I'm half inclined to think they should rename this forum Randian's Anonymous
**Went from the horrible depths of actually voting for Ann-freaking-Richards (Dear God, did I just admit that? Go ahead, I deserve all the slings and arrows you may send my way) during the stupidity of my youth :wacko: (Hey, we all make mistakes, right? Horrible, shameful mistakes) to the fold of paleoconservatism/Nationalism.
**
No need to apologize there either. Just say you may have had a premonition about what dubbya the destroyer would do to the GOP. Something far worse than any Democrat could have done in someone's worst imaginacian .
Good to have you here!
2002-12-02 09:29 | User Profile
Hello everyone!
Found this form off the stormfront links list, im glad there's a forum for the paleoconservative world. :)
2002-12-02 10:29 | User Profile
Hello,
I'm new too. I was guided here by Paleocon, and I just thought I might mention I'm Australian and 16. Good to meet people out in the world who have retained their sanity.
2002-12-02 11:49 | User Profile
Welcome to you both. For I minute I had Paleocon confused with Paleocon Avatar, another regular here, but I'm up to speed now.
Any perspective you gentlemen might care to offer on the Aussie situation (immigration, gun control, Balkanization) would be read and appreciated by all.
2002-12-03 02:23 | User Profile
Paleocon is American, so he wouldn't know too much.
I'm sorry to say the situation down here is quite bad :(
I'm in Victoria, which is a state in south east Australia, second largest population wise. Its important to realise that down here the Liberal Party is our equivalent of your Republicans, and our Labour Party is about the same as your Democrats.
We had state elections last week, and unfortunatly the Liberals lost really bad, and the Victorian Labour Party, led by a Lebanese guy called Steve Bracks- if you want an understand of what he's like, consider he passed the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act last year - if I get caught saying "stupid gook" (we have many (i.e. 1.5 million in a population of 20 million) Asians here), I can go to prison for six months and get fined $6000. Its a wonderful state of affairs.
The Labour Party is heavily dominated by the trade unions, and a Japanese company started a food factory in Melbourne (capital of Victoria). It took over a year to construct, and the unions have been screwing around, the Labour Party who controls the Victorian government refused to do anything, and they company has threatened to pull out of Victoria if the Labour Party won the election - and they did.
Several massive construction businesses have withdrawn from Victoria, and our Government is about to blow the state budget into the red again. The Labour Party held power in Victoria for 2 terms straight almost a decade ago, and they screwed the state over so bad the Liberals had to privatise public transport, gas, electricity etc. Note that while you Americans might think that privatisation is good, in Australia Government owned services have actually worked quite well and many people appreciate it.
If you think your tax system is horrible, consider we lose 65% of our paychecks in tax. There was an event at a university not far from my house (maybe five kilometers, less) where one Asian got up in class and shot seven people and killed two, of course the Labour Party immediatly calls to ban all handguns. I mean, that probably sounds typical, except they think they can do it by Christmas :blink:
And the Australian Democrats (homosexual lovers, tree huggers, internationalists, anti-capitalists, etc.) proposed compulsory "education" about "alternative (read: gay, lesbian and bisexual) lifestyles" in public schools. :o
The only good thing is that the Liberals control the national Government. The downside is they're more than willing to follow George Bush in anything he does. :unsure:
2002-12-03 06:27 | User Profile
Sounds terrible Anarch. I heard you had some horrendous weapons laws but I had no idea of the restrictions against free speech and the tax system. I suppose you are at least fortunate that the Aborigines aren't as populous as the Zulus and Xhosa or I'd imagine that Australia would be in the same 3rd world boat as South Africa and Rhodesia.
2002-12-03 10:03 | User Profile
Yes, we've got the horrendous gun laws too. Of course, they call it gun control but its really people control :(
The Australian Security and Intelligence Organisation (think KGB, they do internal and external intelligence, like a combined FBI and CIA) have been granted new powers under the Anti-Terrorism Act. Anyone could have my house raided without a warrant, and be held in custody for 48 hours without legal representation upon suspicion of being - or having connections to - a terrorist group. Of course, you've got fairly loose description of what a terrorist group is. <_<
Under the gun laws, you have to have a license and then you've got to put up with thirty days of "cooling off period" before you can buy the gun. Of course, its registered, so the Thought Police can storm your house at night under the anti-terrorism laws on whim knowing what you're armed with. To get the license you need to fill out several forms, with an "acceptable reason", and living in a crime filled suburb and desiring a shotgun for self defense is not acceptable. In fact, you can only legally own a semi-automatic pistol (soon subject to change, I think), a double barreled shotgun, a centerfire bolt action or lever action rifle (forget semi-auto rifles), and 22's. Anything other than that and you need to be a security guard, a prison guard, a policeman, a collector or if you're lucky, you might be able to get a semi-auto or pump action shotgun if you're a farmer. Anything else is impossible.
We don't have the death penalty and killers get out after 10 years in prison, or less. I used to live in Springvale, a horrible suburb filled with Vietnamese, it was dominated by gangs and drug dealers. Police would catch the drug dealers, put them in the cell at the local police station and release them the next day because they can't do much else. When I left it was 40% Asian, now its 90%, and people get stabbed in fights in the library car park down there.
Of course, not all of Melbourne is like that, only some parts. But those parts are increasing in size. You know our government gave billions of dollars in aid to the ANC when it was considered a terrorist group? And the various state Governments met in Darwin earlier this yet to set up a special force for dealing with ethnic conflict - i.e. white resistance to multiculturalism. Non-white gangs are just considered "criminals", while white gangs who actively look out for whites are "hate gangs". Unless your Greek or Italian. Then you're pretty much untouchable. The Greeks used to have street wars with the Turks, but now the Turks have pretty much left Melbourne and those that remain aren't organised.
2002-12-03 15:34 | User Profile
Anarch, we welcome input of your "down under" viewpoint. Your description of conditions down there should make us Gringos thankful for our residual freedoms. No wonder Crocodile Dundee reportedly committed cop assisted suicide. BTW, you have doubtlessly noticed that referring to your American cousins as "Yanks" is not appropriate in this forum.
I am curious as to whether your gun-grabbers have turned their attention to black powder weapons yet. In some localities in the U.S. with stringent registration and handgun prohibition laws exempt non-cartridge black powder weapons. A pair of cap and ball revolvers can serve as good home defense weapons in a pinch.
2002-12-03 16:50 | User Profile
Hello, I am new to this forum also. Paleocon guided me here from the phora. I cant wait to take part in some discussions at this place.
BTW im 19 years old, from Pittsburgh PA.
2002-12-03 17:46 | User Profile
Welcome, Manstein!
2002-12-03 21:06 | User Profile
Helluvan icon there, Manstein. Welcome.
2002-12-03 21:47 | User Profile
Manstein, glad to see you're "all prepared" to join the ODers. Have fun.
2002-12-04 06:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by Fliegende Hollander@Dec 3 2002, 09:34 **Anarch, we welcome input of your "down under" viewpoint. Your description of conditions down there should make us Gringos thankful for our residual freedoms. No wonder Crocodile Dundee reportedly committed cop assisted suicide. BTW, you have doubtlessly noticed that referring to your American cousins as "Yanks" is not appropriate in this forum.
I am curious as to whether your gun-grabbers have turned their attention to black powder weapons yet. In some localities in the U.S. with stringent registration and handgun prohibition laws exempt non-cartridge black powder weapons. A pair of cap and ball revolvers can serve as good home defense weapons in a pinch.**
Sorry if I've referred to Americans as "Yanks", I know some Australians call you that but I don't do it because I have a friend that lives in Florida. I think most Americans would find it insulting/offensive/irritating anyway. About your freedoms, guard them because its an issue of use them or lose them - I don't think the American Revolution was fought so we could have the "right to agree". The people down here don't care about freedom of speech, right to bear arms etc. because there are few who hold truly radical views and there's not many firearm owners down here anyway.
I don't believe black powder weapons are illegal, but they would probably require a license - I'll ask my dad tonight if I remember.
2002-12-08 12:52 | User Profile
LOOKS like a super site and am damn glad I found it, we sure need something to counter the propaganda at the FR.
2002-12-09 10:41 | User Profile
Greetings all,
Just testing.
2002-12-09 11:10 | User Profile
Aloha Doc and Sisyfos. (Looks like that blasted rock's got the better of you again, Sis!)
2002-12-09 18:45 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 9 2002, 05:10 (Looks like that blasted rock's got the better of you again, Sis!)
[url=http://stripe.colorado.edu/~morristo/sisyphus.html]The Myth of Sisyphus[/url] by Albert Camus
2002-12-10 07:31 | User Profile
Thanks for the warm welcome, Admin/Tex. It will take me sometime to fully explore all the features of this site but I like what I see and hope to keep the demands for your assistance to a minimum, sans hesitation, of course. :unsure:
BTW, I am very much of the Spenglerian persuasion and have yet to decide for myself whether each falling boulder properly symbolizes the whole of a civilization, or merely hurdles of social evolution within. I wish for the latter but fear the former. Hopefully, my occasionally defeatist comments will not detract from the élan displayed by most members.
2002-12-13 06:53 | User Profile
This is a damned interesting site. I was invited here by MadScienceType and others. Reading these posts, I see echoes of my own political journey; from Libertarian-leaning to generic Conservative to paleocon. I must admit that I was actually liberal in many respects until my college years, when exposure to honest-to-god leftists made me want to put some political space between me and them. And both research and personal experience has hammered home to me the falsity of racial and cultural egalitarianism.
2002-12-13 07:24 | User Profile
Originally posted by Hereward@Dec 13 2002, 02:53 This is a damned interesting site. I was invited here by MadScienceType and others. Reading these posts, I see echoes of my own political journey; from Libertarian-leaning to generic Conservative to paleocon. I must admit that I was actually liberal in many respects until my college years, when exposure to honest-to-god leftists made me want to put some political space between me and them. And both research and personal experience has hammered home to me the falsity of racial and cultural egalitarianism.
Welcome to OD, Hereward. Cool screen name. I'm glad word of this forum's existence is spreading (thanks, MST)--and we can always use more conversation with awakened people such as yourself. You're right--most of the posters here have followed a similar path from the generic conservatism peddled by the agenda-laden "mainstream" to the "old faith, 180-proof." ;)
I started out reading Barry Goldwater's The Conscience of a Conservative and then began to notice as I studied about conservatism that the "public face" of today's mainstream conservatism isn't really living up to conservative impulses and principles. I always come to the conclusion that today's "mainstream" (neo)cons are really just the liberals of thirty or so years ago who "baptized" liberalism with a desire for tax cuts and a strong military (a military they use not for defending America, but advancing neo-Wilsonian notions of a New World Order instead). There's more to conservatism than that!
Hereward, you've come Homeward.
2002-12-13 19:59 | User Profile
What an outstanding site. It's great to see the folks at Sam Francis Online back together again.
I also post at Liberty Forum.
2002-12-13 21:24 | User Profile
I must admit that I was actually liberal in many respects until my college years, when exposure to honest-to-god leftists made me want to put some political space between me and them.
Same here. I grew up a "liberal" in a conservative locale, but my experience at Brown turned me around 180 degrees. I saw what was behind the curtain.
2002-12-17 00:32 | User Profile
Good to see you, Hereward.
2002-12-17 03:53 | User Profile
I see Gary Seven has signed up as a new member. Welcome!
I wonder how many people get the meaning of his screen name. It comes from one of the really good episodes from the Original Series Star Trek.
2002-12-17 04:48 | User Profile
Originally posted by Stanley@Dec 13 2002, 19:59 **What an outstanding site. It's great to see the folks at Sam Francis Online back together again.
I also post at Liberty Forum.**
Dr. Stanley I presume :D
Greetings from a fellow SFFer, and good to see you found your way over here from SFF Stanley. We do have quite a group of old SFFers here, not all of whom everyone may particularly cotton to, (does a certain SFFer named "rban" ring any bells, but what the heck, in the spirit of free speech. we persevere on. ;)
I'll have to tell all my friends, so you can get your LF fame higher than 6 ;) BTW, maybe you or someone could explain the LF rating system better. I don't exactly understand how someone like "The Skunk", who's more famous than anyone I think, has a fame of -10.
2002-12-18 01:13 | User Profile
Actually, it's CPO Stanley. That's my picture on the left. :D
As for the fame points on Liberty Forum, I haven't paid too much attention because I can't rate posts. You might check at Forum Development>General Discussion>Post Ratings System is Now Live. (I tried to post a link and found it wouldn't work if you're not logged on.)
2002-12-18 19:56 | User Profile
:D
naBaron here...
Testing 1,2,3
former upstream, dowc-l participant
2002-12-18 20:26 | User Profile
Originally posted by naBaron@Dec 18 2002, 15:56 **:D
naBaron here...
Testing 1,2,3
former upstream, dowc-l participant**
welcome naBaron
2002-12-26 15:41 | User Profile
Hello all, after browsing the forums for a while I've finally joined up. Very happy to have found a site with so much honest discourse on world events and the current state of our culture. Thanks to Texas Dissident for hosting it.
I'm Canadian but I follow American politics more closely than I follow what's going on in my own country. Canadian politics are boring... there's no dissent. I remember when I was first able to watch 'Crossfire' with Pat Buchanon on CNN back in the eighties. At that time it was really something to hear conservative views offered up for consumption on television, and to this day I can't think of one Canadian media personality that could be called conservative.
I found OD by way of a link on townhall.com. I visited the FreeRepulic site once before I came here and thought it was some kind of a joke.
Merry Christmas and best wishes for the new year to all.
2002-12-26 17:37 | User Profile
Hi
I found this link on David Irving's site. I'm a Calvinistic paeleo type.
2002-12-26 17:49 | User Profile
I visited the FreeRepulic site once before I came here and thought it was some kind of a joke.
And you were correct.
2002-12-26 19:24 | User Profile
Originally posted by Oliver Cromwell@Dec 26 2002, 11:37 **I found this link on David Irving's site. **
Hello Oliver Cromwell,
Welcome again and thanks for saying hello.
I just wanted to say that link from Mr. Irving's site has been quite a plus for us here, if not in membership numbers but most definitely in traffic and exposure. I won't harp on the alexa numbers, even though we've broke into the sixty thousand range for the first time. More tangible for me is the fact that for the first time ever, in the month of December OD averages over 1000 unique visitors each and every day. The Irving link had quite a bit to do with that, so thank you Mr. Irving.
2003-01-06 19:14 | User Profile
Finally got to sign up after some extensive lurking! I'd like to extend a big thank-you to the many excellent and coherent contributors who make this what has to be the best forum for Nationalist dialogue on the 'net today.
By way of brief intro, I am a first generation Euro-American economically active in the tech sector, and I hope I will be able to make an intelligent contribution from that perspective. I hope it will not be taken amiss or viewed as hypocritical if, as an immigrant myself, I air some serious concerns about demographics and uncontrolled immigration. I am looking forward to sharing my personal horror stories about the INS and its monumental incompetency, as well as the current and ongoing H1B scandal.
2003-01-06 19:32 | User Profile
Welcome, Dan Dare and the other recent additions. Jump right in.
2003-01-10 00:43 | User Profile
Hi all,
I just joined OD today. I've visited a few times before and I posted on the Sam Francis Forum a few times (and then it closed very soon afterwards).
I run the Manifest Destiny web site for North and South Dakota. It is quite new and not totally finished yet. [url=http://members.odinsrage.com/destiny/]http://members.odinsrage.com/destiny/[/url]
I'm an "old brain" in a young body. :P I think some of my friends are plotting to give me a cane for my birthday because of all the serious topics I attempt to discuss with them. :D
I believe in the Constitutional Republic of the United States and wish to see it restored.
I am a member of no organization, for I believe they have been rendered ineffective by the Inner Party. My "plan of action" consists of supporting the formation of Pioneer Little Europe communities for the concentration of political and cultural power. All of our old communities have lost their dynamics, thus we need to establish new dynamics. [url=http://www.euroknowledge.net/ple.phtml]http://www.euroknowledge.net/ple.phtml[/url]
I look forward to many fruitful discussions here. B)
2003-01-10 01:29 | User Profile
Howdy, and welcome. Wisdom at an early age is a blessing and a curse. Make the most of it.
2003-01-10 03:20 | User Profile
Bon Soir,
Joined this evening. I'm a quiet, reasonable ANARCHIST.
2003-01-28 14:03 | User Profile
The OD Forum seems to be growing rapidly.
My intuition tells me that something important is happening.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
Walter
2003-01-28 23:54 | User Profile
Hello all. After lurking here for a few months I have decided to register.
I like the forum, and I am very interested in stopping illegal immigration.
2003-01-29 00:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by acco@Jan 28 2003, 23:54 **Hello all. After lurking here for a few months I have decided to register.
I like the forum, and I am very interested in stopping illegal immigration.**
Actually the official term of course is that they aren't illegal immigrants anyway, they are "undocumented workers" :D
Anyway good to have you aboard as a "documented poster" now ;) In fact, if you have any other "undocumented" poster friends or family, you're welcome to invite them on too.
Here at OD we're big on "family reunification", at least for paleos :D
2003-01-29 00:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by Walter Yannis@Jan 28 2003, 07:03 **The OD Forum seems to be growing rapidly.
My intuition tells me that something important is happening.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
Walter**
The Rapture?
Critical mass about to be reached?
Dissent entered its chain reaction mode?
:blink:
2003-01-29 05:31 | User Profile
Originally posted by Walter Yannis@Jan 28 2003, 14:03 **The OD Forum seems to be growing rapidly.
My intuition tells me that something important is happening.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
Walter** [url=http://www.alexa.com/data/details?amzn_id=&url=originaldissent.com]Our Alexa numbers[/url] are up to 63,000, quite good when you compare it with even Liberty Forum and Liberty Post. When you consider the number of people that link to us compared with them, it is obvious that we do very well considering it is not easy to find us.
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=27&t=2705]Latest Alexa Rankings[/url]
If only JR would restore our Free Republic link! :lol:
2003-02-04 08:45 | User Profile
*The Rapture?
Critical mass about to be reached?
Dissent entered its chain reaction mode?*
The Great Wise-Up is upon us.
I finally wandered over this way. Where the hell is Kosciusko?
2003-02-04 15:23 | User Profile
Howdy, Bluegrass!
Okie -- I checked the Alexa numbers on FGriday, and OD was around 37,000 for the prior day or two.
2003-02-11 18:26 | User Profile
I have lurked about this forum for some time, and I'm impressed with the spirit and intellect of the people here. I believe that positive change is within grasping distance, and I look forward to participating.
2003-02-11 20:04 | User Profile
Welcome, Mr. Kurtz. It's been a bit indecorous recently, a free-for-all really, but jump right in.
2003-02-12 19:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by Walter E Kurtz@Feb 11 2003, 12:26 ** I have lurked about this forum for some time, and I'm impressed with the spirit and intellect of the people here. I believe that positive change is within grasping distance, and I look forward to participating. **
The killer awoke before dawn He put his boots on He took a face from the ancient gallery And he walked on down the hall
Great book and movie, Kurtz.
Welcome.
2003-02-18 18:32 | User Profile
Is this the forum where they threatend to boot the VNN editor? I actually haven't ever read that site. I just heard them talking about it at the European Parliament.
2003-02-18 18:58 | User Profile
Originally posted by Hugh Lincoln@Feb 18 2003, 12:32 ** I just heard them talking about it at the European Parliament. **
Hello and welcome, Hugh.
The European Parliament??
2003-02-18 20:25 | User Profile
European Parliament: a body of the European Union that is considering or has enacted legislation that provides for pan-European extradition jurisdiction for those accused of disseminating racial or ethnic intolerance on the Internet.
2003-02-19 14:17 | User Profile
Hello everybody. This website looks to me like a camp of saints. Congratulations! I know I will enjoy being a member here. I spent a few years over a freerepublic, but I got banned. :huh: for, among other things, saying I was a proud white person and generally denigrating zion. :ph34r: I shook the dust from my boots. I came across the link to OD from VNN. :lol: Say what you will about Alex Linder, the man has got a bounce in his step. That is all I have to say for now. Thanks again for standing up. Oh yeah, which one of you fine fellows is the old Gecko?
2003-02-19 14:26 | User Profile
Not me. But glad to have you here!
2003-02-19 15:45 | User Profile
Welcome, gentlemen!
2003-03-04 17:46 | User Profile
WELCOME "SWINESTEIN", A MAN OF KNOWLEDGE AND A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR WHO I ENCOURAGED TO BE A FORUM CONTRIBUTOR.
2003-03-04 18:07 | User Profile
Thank you for the welcome DRSLICEIT.
From what I've read thus far, this will be a message board I will visit often.
2003-03-04 18:25 | User Profile
I like the name already.
2003-03-04 19:01 | User Profile
SWINESTEIN....glad to see you here and you will find so much info here that you will not find elsewhere. Also the flamers know better to mess with the knowledge that exist here and haul ass in short order.
2003-03-09 13:01 | User Profile
Is this the ticket holders or the ticket buyers line?
Looking forward to swapping seditious chatter with you all before Ashcroft & Ridge bring down the hammer on free speech altogether.
2003-03-09 14:09 | User Profile
Zut Alors! Nous vous accueillons a OD et j'espere que vous serez bien installe ici. Aussi, j'aime votre appellation!
2003-03-09 14:56 | User Profile
Zut Alors! Wir lieben Ihren Namen, auch.
FYI, Dieses ist der VIP Aufenthaltsraum.
2003-03-28 19:34 | User Profile
Just wanted to drop by. I am one of the refugees from SF. I won't spend much time here tonight, the pub is awaiting me. But you will hear from me.
So much, have a nice day.
2003-03-29 16:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by jamestown@Mar 28 2003, 13:34 ** Just wanted to drop by. I am one of the refugees from SF. I won't spend much time here tonight, the pub is awaiting me. But you will hear from me.
So much, have a nice day. **
Goede dag, mijnheer jamestown.
Welkom.
2003-04-09 18:16 | User Profile
We're receiving a steady flow of new members, which is outstanding. I just wanted to ask those who are so inclined to make an initial post here in the welcome forum and let us know how you came across the board.
Of course this is only a request and by no means required or anything. It's just nice to know where our outreach efforts might be paying off.
Welcome to all the new folks and don't be shy. Not counting rban of course, we're pretty much a group of brothers here.
2003-04-10 03:56 | User Profile
Not counting rban of course, we're pretty much a group of brothers here.
Our friend Cachelot from FR will probably enjoy that description when she(?) sees it, given her past "New Black Panthers" speculations. :lol:
2003-04-10 04:26 | User Profile
I came across Original Dissent when I was checking out the "Links" section of Stormfront...and I was never terribly impressed by those who frequented the Stormfront Forums (some good posters, but more often than not, you get "LOL NATIONAL SOCIALISM RULZ" and such), so I'd though I'd check out the OD Forums for some intelligent nationalist discussion....and damn, I continued to be amazed by the caliber of the posters here. Truly an excellent site, TD.
2003-04-10 05:23 | User Profile
Originally posted by 2600@Apr 10 2003, 00:26 ** I came across Original Dissent when I was checking out the "Links" section of Stormfront...and I was never terribly impressed by those who frequented the Stormfront Forums (some good posters, but more often than not, you get "LOL NATIONAL SOCIALISM RULZ" and such), so I'd though I'd check out the OD Forums for some intelligent nationalist discussion....and damn, I continued to be amazed by the caliber of the posters here. Truly an excellent site, TD. **
I agree with your assessment of Stormfront's average poster. It's sort of the "racist" version of Free Republic--no neocon views to be found there, but you do find the same attitudes and posting styles (such as AntiYuppie's famous example: "LET'S ROLE," etc.). :lol:
2003-04-23 17:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by la foudre folle@Apr 23 2003, 11:12 **Thank you, Texas Dissident, for providing this refugee camp. **
Your most certainly welcome, dear lady. At one time I referred to the board as the on-line catacombs for traditionalists. Refugee camp works, too.
With or without brandy, I'm thrilled you've decided to wade into our deep waters. Quite unlike the filthy Ganges of other boards, I think once immersed here you'll find our water at least potable.
Please have at it.
2003-04-25 17:18 | User Profile
An Interesting forum to read so far, I shall continue experiencing O D for yet awhile.
2003-04-25 17:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by la foudre folle@Apr 23 2003, 11:24 ** Oh goodie. An "edit" feature. I'll be able to have a sip of brandy while participating in the germination of the revolution.... **
*La foudre folle, nous vous accueillons ici. C'est coup de foudre!?!
Amusez-vous et il faut bien boire pour vivre! *
2003-04-26 21:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Apr 11 2003, 16:32 ** FR represents the Trotskyite dream come true: an aggressive, bloodthirsty lumpenproletariat lead by a Jewish elite and serving as cannon fodder (in life as on the internet) for Jewish interests. **
Very well said.
2003-04-26 21:51 | User Profile
Quite unlike the filthy Ganges of other boards, I think once immersed here you'll find our water at least potable.
Rban will shortly drop by to inform us about how it's really due to the Muslim incursion into India that the Ganges [:dung:<img src='http://forum.originaldissent.com/style_images/1/icon8.gif[/img]™] is the way it is....
2003-04-26 22:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Apr 26 2003, 15:51 ** > Quite unlike the filthy Ganges of other boards, I think once immersed here you'll find our water at least potable.
Rban will shortly drop by to inform us about how it's really due to the Muslim incursion into India that the Ganges [:dung:<img src='http://forum.originaldissent.com/style_images/1/icon8.gif[/img]ââ¢] is the way it is.... **
Yes, just like the ubiquitous poverty and squallor everywhere throughout India.
2003-04-28 23:33 | User Profile
Thank you, Texas Dissident, for providing this area of joy and freedom in an world that seems to have gone grey and cold.
I'm another ex-mainstream conservative who started rethinking things after the end of the Cold War. Took the path through Buchanan (voted for him in '92, '96 and '00,) Chronicles, a brief detour through the Patriot/Militia movement (glad I never did anything with that crowd.) I lurked in FreeRepublic when it was all Clinton-bashing goodness, relurked on Sam Francis online when the purgees moved there, then followed them here.
But, I've done enough lurking. I am grateful to the people here for helping me become aware of the jewish problem. I suppose it's now time to give something back, to overcome that gnawing fear of even mentioning some of the sources of our current troubles. Just signing onto OD and doing a first post - well, I sympathize with Winston Smith when he said to himself after starting his diary:
"Thoughtcrime does not entail death, thoughtcrime is death."
But, approaching the darkside of fifty, the necessity of overcoming fears becomes more and more apparent.
I just hope that I can contribute to the efforts on this board, and while people sometimes may have their quibbles with my views, I shall try my hardest not to be an embaressment. Never may people read my postings and say: "Gad, the fools are really out today!"
Once again, thank you Texas Dissident for this wonderful forum, and for always showing yourself as a true Southern gentleman. Am I brown-nosing here - well, never mind!
2003-04-28 23:59 | User Profile
Welcome to all newcomers.
An aside to Cotton: speaking your mind in ZOG's America can be a little like mimicking Tourette's at first, but it gets easier every time out. Watch out, though; it's habit-forming.
2003-04-29 17:26 | User Profile
I am registered at Stormfront. I like it. The strength of it lies in it's numbers, nearly 10,000.
Also, the variety of topics.
2003-04-29 23:02 | User Profile
Tourette's, huh? That calls forth a vision of an ill-dressed lout, shambling down a cyber-road, arms and legs a-kilter, face twitching, shouting to no one in particular: "jews! jews! Damn all jews!" It's not a pretty picture. I ask your prayers that I be delivered from such a fate.
I'll take Stormfront under advisement, it seems a little...ah....vigorous to me just right now.
2003-04-30 03:55 | User Profile
**texas Dissident: Welcome to all the new folks and don't be shy. Not counting rban of course, we're pretty much a group of brothers here. **
Um, that would be brothers and SISTERS, no? (Shame on yah Tex! After all my lectures! :lol: :naughty: :D )
AntiYuppie: Though we should give credit where credit is due: they've mastered the space bar, which requires the use of opposable thumbs.
No it doesn't -- when you typ... er, when one types with only two fingers, and from what I hear (having never been there) it seems that Freepers can't manage the coordination of all 8 fingers plus TWO thumbs, making use of the space bar in merely the next sequential button-thingie one hits on that... that... box-thing with all the letters and numbers on it.!
2003-04-30 04:36 | User Profile
Tex wrote: Welcome to all the new folks and don't be shy. Not counting rban of course, we're pretty much a group of brothers here .
Ya mean that, Tex? [sniff].....an' here I thought you were jus' another paleo who hated Alex Linder....[choke]....
2003-04-30 06:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Apr 29 2003, 23:36 ** Ya mean that, Tex? [sniff].....an' here I thought you were jus' another paleo who hated Alex Linder....[choke].... **
Franco,
I harbor no hatred towards any man, for all of us are sinners in need of God's grace and Christ died for all mankind.
Of course that doesn't mean you and Linder don't manage to irk me more often than not. ;)
2003-04-30 19:47 | User Profile
Actually, that was a nice comment from you about your OD message board -- that you feel like we are all, in a sense, brothers, fighting the same enemy....good sentiment.
2003-04-30 19:57 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Apr 30 2003, 14:47 ** Actually, that was a nice comment from you about your OD message board -- that you feel like we are all, in a sense, brothers, fighting the same enemy....good sentiment. **
Stop it, Franco.
Now you're gettin' me all choked up and misty eyed.
:crybaby:
2003-05-02 19:14 | User Profile
Hello my friends.... A Hannity Forum transplant here--- member of the miniscule "brownshirt contingent" on that site... always try my level best to give the neo-con pansies hell.... what a confused bunch of individuals, those soccer moms and men-in-touch-with-their-feelings. I go by the name of "oppressivewhitey" over there, and I manage to get banned with regularity, only to re-emerge, phoenix-like with each incarnation. Why not mosey over for yourself to witness the buffoonery that passes for "reasoned debate" on the Sean Hannity Forums.
Like what I see so far here gentlemen.
2003-05-02 19:26 | User Profile
Originally posted by EDUMAKATEDMOFO@May 2 2003, 15:14 ** Hello my friends.... A Hannity Forum transplant here--- member of the miniscule "brownshirt contingent" on that site... always try my level best to give the neo-con pansies hell.... what a confused bunch of individuals, those soccer moms and men-in-touch-with-their-feelings. I go by the name of "oppressivewhitey" over there, and I manage to get banned with regularity, only to re-emerge, phoenix-like with each incarnation. Why not mosey over for yourself to witness the buffoonery that passes for "reasoned debate" on the Sean Hannity Forums.
Like what I see so far here gentlemen. **
Welcome, EDUMAKATEDMOFO. Yes, I cut and pasted that screenname so I wouldn't have to type it.
I like the description of the phoenix-like reincarnations at the Hannity forum--it's very similar to my own saga at Free Republic--I used to pester the neocons there after I'd heard they began banning those who opposed the "War on Terror" after 9/11.
2003-05-02 21:58 | User Profile
**EDU said:
member of the miniscule "brownshirt contingent" on that site...**
Heh, heh....welcome. I've done some brownshirtin' in my time....jus' a little ya understand...
:hit: :hit: :hit:
2003-05-03 03:05 | User Profile
Haha! Those Hitler gifs are great.
:hit:
Can think of a few forums where they would be appropriate.
2003-05-06 01:10 | User Profile
Hello to O.D.,
Shortly before my skull was collapsed by the forces of tolerance and enlightenment and my biologic viability was left dubious at best numerous members of this forum ask me to join up here contribute my reflections on various matters at hand. I admit to being somewhat conflicted on the matter. In part I know many of you from Polinco.com to which I remain loyal and others that I recall from SFOL prior to Mr. Francis deciding that the expression of genuine conservatism on his site might hamper his range of dinner engagements ended that outlet. I also received via my son Heðin a thread about my experiences that was posted here and support from several members here making me feel the need to stop by.While I find the occasional expression of theocratic crankery here as off putting as Rban's inanities such matters are not problematic to me by enlarge. In both cases I will only occasionally comment on such matters as they generally detract from productive exchanges.
More of concern to me is the question of my views being tolerable to the members at large. While I object to the antics of the Hollywood nazi set I can not in good faith fail to state my objections to what passes for conservatism in the states presently although doing so may cause some distress for some members here. If the administration/owners feel that the ideas I promote are likely to disruptive for the O.D. readership please let me know now as to avoid unpleasantries in the future and wasted time. In any case, if I am about, I do intend to attempt to refute what I perceive as faux traditionalism, tender what I believe to be the genuine foundationalism of conservatism and concentrate on practical activism as well.
In any case, I wish to discover if my unadulterated views are able to be conducive to Occidental regeneration within this forum. Also, thanks are due to those members of O.D. which were supportive of my family during the recent crisis. Also, greetings of cheer are do to all of my friends and comrades here.
2003-05-06 01:44 | User Profile
Triskelion --
AntiYuppie has spoken more eloquently than I could hope to, and I second his sentiments. I am heartened to hear of your recovery, especially after the sadness I felt this afternoon as I thought of you while flying south of the Faeroe islands on my return trip from London.
Best wishes for a continued recovery.
MW
2003-05-06 04:09 | User Profile
Am very glad to see you on the road to recovery.
**More of concern to me is the question of my views being tolerable to the members at large. **
Then you have nothing to worry about. If Nazis and Christians can co-exist fairly amicably on this forum, an Icelandic nationalist won't ruffle many feathers.
Hope to see more of your contributions here.
2003-05-06 04:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 6 2003, 04:09 **Am very glad to see you on the road to recovery.
**More of concern to me is the question of my views being tolerable to the members at large. **
Then you have nothing to worry about. If Nazis and Christians can co-exist fairly amicably on this forum, an Icelandic nationalist won't ruffle many feathers.
Hope to see more of your contributions here.**
Amen brother Ragno!
Triskelion, I can't say how good it is to see you back. I am not sure exactly how the distrust started between this forum and Polinco. Mainly I think it was just uncertainty in the beginning. Anyway looking at the stuff you have over there I don't remember seeing hardly anything that wouldn't be pretty much right at home over here as well. We've pretty much found a way to live and let live over here, at least in regard to opinions. Personalities well, occasionally we have our little tiff's :rolleyes: - well I don't think you'll be causing any troubles on that score.
Just personally thankful that our prayers have been answered and you're back with us.
Things like you, Zundel. the Patriot Act - they make me and everyone else I think to some extent realize that whatever the differences between us, they certainly aren't very significant to our enemies.
As was said here during the signing of the Declaration of Independence
We must all hang together, or we most assuredly will hang separately :ph34r:
2003-05-06 07:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by triskelion@May 6 2003, 01:10 **More of concern to me is the question of my views being tolerable to the members at large. While I object to the antics of the Hollywood nazi set I can not in good faith fail to state my objections to what passes for conservatism in the states presently although doing so may cause some distress for some members here. If the administration/owners feel that the ideas I promote are likely to disruptive for the O.D. readership please let me know now as to avoid unpleasantries in the future and wasted time. In any case, if I am about, I do intend to attempt to refute what I perceive as faux traditionalism, tender what I believe to be the genuine foundationalism of conservatism and concentrate on practical activism as well.
In any case, I wish to discover if my unadulterated views are able to be conducive to Occidental regeneration within this forum. Also, thanks are due to those members of O.D. which were supportive of my family during the recent crisis. Also, greetings of cheer are do to all of my friends and comrades here.**
Reading you on Polinco, I couldn't help but laugh at your caution on venturing onto this forum. It sounds to me that you've been influenced somewhat by the OD bashers, rather than your own natural inclinations when I read statements like this. > **It seems the real problem is that "our side" presents "us" in the worst possible light. Consider for a moment that someone doubts the propasphere claim that WNs are genocidal maniacs so he pokes about on the internet and sees Alex Linder say that God orgasms every time a jew murdered, reads the savagery found in typical hatecore lyrics, Pierce's calls for murdering everyone that does not accept NA rule or sees swastikas dripping with blood and the slogan "this time the world" and such typical "WP" material. Would such a person conclude that racialism is nothing more then the psychopathic freaks he hears about on TV or would he be more prone to say something like "WP groups have a realistic plan to improve my life so where do I sign up?". In short, "our side" has put forth wrong ideas and has been relegated to deserved obscurity and well deserved public scorn as a result(my emphasis).
[url=http://www.polinco.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=1493]Polinco Thread[/url]**
I'm not sure what exactly your concerns over "what passes for conservatism in the states" or "faux traditionalism" but it seems as long as this statement expresses your feelings you're perfectly in tune with most of us here. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see certain members here try to post Linder articles on "canny Sammy and tricky Trisky" and have to defend you on charges you are a neocon appeasing whimp ;)
2003-05-06 14:55 | User Profile
We had genteel anti-Semitism in the West, for quite a long time. Look what it's gotten us.
Sorry, Trisk, but this idea that inflammatory rhetoric costs us the full support of those white moderates (who would put us over the top in no time flat) is a pipe-dream. Moderates go where the strongest wind is blowing. And they will 'join up' only when the wolf is at the door, never a moment before.
Populate white areas with enough ghetto blacks and you will create white nationalists from former "moderates". But I hope you're not holding your breath waiting for "moderates" in majority-white communities to fly the colors in solidarity. Racial realities are best perceived with five or six locks on your front door.
2003-05-06 16:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 6 2003, 14:55 ** We had genteel anti-Semitism in the West, for quite a long time. Look what it's gotten us.
Sorry, Trisk, but this idea that inflammatory rhetoric costs us the full support of those white moderates (who would put us over the top in no time flat) is a pipe-dream. Moderates go where the strongest wind is blowing. And they will 'join up' only when the wolf is at the door, never a moment before.
**
There you again again Raggy. (See [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=7365&hl=sammy]Canny SammyGate [/url] or associated threads like [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=25&t=7217&hl=sammy]The Sam Francis Way or the White Way[/url])
Hope we aren't too hardline for you over at Polinco Trisk ;)
2003-05-06 16:30 | User Profile
Can someone explain to me why Sam Francis always ends up as the lightning rod in these discussions?
And, oh... by the way, FW:
In part I know many of you from.... SFOL prior to Mr. Francis deciding that the expression of genuine conservatism on his site might hamper his range of dinner engagements **ended that outlet. **
....you might be preaching to an abandoned choir this time. Unless I miss my guess, that 'dinner engagements' remark is simply an urbane way of saying "Canny Sammy, Canny Sammy!".
2003-05-06 19:32 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 6 2003, 16:30 Can someone explain to me why Sam Francis always ends up as the lightning rod in these discussions?
Yes - because his grand intellect stands above the tripe and adolescent posturing of Linder and his sympathizers the way from the east the Dallas skyline rises above the flat Texas plain, making him a target for all the belly crawlers.
**And, oh... by the way, FW:
In part I know many of you from.... SFOL prior to Mr. Francis deciding that the expression of genuine conservatism on his site might hamper his range of dinner engagements **ended that outlet. **
....you might be preaching to an abandoned choir this time. Unless I miss my guess, that 'dinner engagements' remark is simply an urbane way of saying "Canny Sammy, Canny Sammy!".**
Funny you and Trisk should have brought up dinner engagements. From Trisk's recent experiences I suspect he has a little more appreciation now that the ability to enjoy quiet dinner engagements etc. like a normal person might be more valuble than just from the standpoint of nudging one's wasteline.
In any event, its not surprising that Francis closed down his forum. I suspect he might have gotten advance wind of the fact that many of the far out people his forum had been so kind as to give a semi-mainstream venue for actually harbored great enmity for both him personally and the cause of paleo-conservatism as a whole, as indicated by the stream of "Canny Sammy" vitriol handed down by Linder, and had already effected plans to help use his forum to that effect.
The shutdown of the SFF at the time was a great discouragement, but in retrospect I'm starting to view it as a necessary interim step. Sam Francis was kind and good to step in with a forum for the paleo conservatives and sympathizers who were getting shoved of Free Republic and elsewher in the Republican mainstream, but seemed to be slow in getting their act together in an organized fashion. He offered a forum essentially free of any moderation (except for the abortion spat with Polinco's Jennifer), which was good in creating and casual atmosphere and goodwill initially, but cannot serve as the long-term basis for a forum of this type.
2003-05-06 20:03 | User Profile
Hello all,
I am feeling rather well as I managed to push my limited but guild-like Mondragon style proposals through the city council so my humor is doing fine.
It seems a few things need to be mentioned with respect to my introduction here. First of all, I feel no sense of a feud between Polinco or O.D. and if I did I would never have joined here. Certainly I know several chaps here quite well and hold them high regard . My trepidation stems from the fact that I worry about my ideology being too radical and dissimilar from the laissez-faire/legalistic gestalt that predominates the American conservative scene. I worry that my frankness is likely to cause excessive distress to the readership and fail to have any real world impact. This my be unfounded but it seems that the decorum conducive to debate requires such an inquiry be made.
With respect to my old friend FW I have little concerns as we share some commonality in terms of ideology. However, some may recall my thread "The Failure of Paleoconservatism" in which I detailed my objections to the fixation on "the invisible hand of the market" as a panacea for the ills of your former republic, the myth of assimilation and an a-racial conception of culture in favour of Organicism. I remain convinced that the mainstream paleo-conservativism espoused by the likes of Buchanan is as much of a dead end for Occidentals in the states as is the Hitlerian fetish crowd. The crux of the matter is that I am unsure if a fundamental critique of mainstream paleo-con assumptions, rather then the more principled positions of FW and a few others here, is something that could be tolerable to most O.D. members. Although as I said earlier, this fear may be unfounded.
With respect to Sam Francis I remain very disappointed and I do not believe he is a genuine Eurocentric. I have no idea who "canny sammy" is but I doubt that anyone would mistake my pre NSDAP conception of National Socialism as sympathetic to the neo-con world view.
As to Mr. Linder I readily confess to having mixed feelings. It seems to me that he is a very bright fellow and well meaning with a good deal of fine content on his site (ex. My comrade Mr. Westman's articles) which is obviously doing a lot of good. However, the purposely incorrect grammar/spelling combined with endless blather about genocide in the crassest possible terms appeals to almost no one and will never manifest itself into any kind of useful activism save the extremely rare exception of someone like Keivsky or Gerhard.
Il Ragno it seems has misunderstood my condemnation of self indulgent ultra extremism exemplified by the veracious calls for genocide mentioned in the excerpt quoted above. I do not believe that merely neutering the message of genuine racialism (as opposed to mere racial hatred) will produce political progress and I have made my refutation of AmRen style compromise rather plain. If you wonder what this stance entails see: [url=http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/vnn/showEssay.asp?essayID=1293]http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/vnn/sho...sp?essayID=1293[/url]
Certainly Il Ragno is correct that the further decay of an already declining society is needed for some sort of drastic change to take place. However, politics has always and will always be about be about coalition building and "agenda setting" and those things require an activist cadre with a sound ideological basis and strategic sense to take advantage of systemic distress. I have explained else where why American racial groups don't have any reasonable hope of doing any of those things as they are currently configured numerous times else where.
The bottom line is that American racial groups have been stunningly unsuccessful by all measures and that neither they nor mainstream paleo-cons have shown any reason to suspect that the same failed approachs will produce results substantially different then they have produced for the past 80 years or so. In both cases they have displayed very little insight into why they have done so poorly in resisting the progression of national degeneration and show near zero interest in considering, let alone acting upon, alternatives to the failed models they have been following during living memory.
My point in making these harsh assessments is simply to serve as a starting point to consider alternate methods of advancing the cause of Occidental renewal that have done well in the past and are showing promise in some instances now. Hopefully, the frank discussion of such matters will not be futile or counter productive as has often been the case.
2003-05-06 20:42 | User Profile
Triskelion,
First. It is good to see you on the road to recovery. A lot of us were worried about you.
Second. I'm very glad you're here and I don't think you need worry about the delicate sensibilities of the members here. I think there is very little hostility here (except for obvious trolls) between members, even during the most heated of arguments.
I also share your observations on the sad state of the "right" in this country. Your point about their refusal to learn from unproductive strategies is true. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result, then yes, the "right" in this country is plain nuts. However, some people become so accustomed to losing that they wouldn't know what to do with an actual win. They feel comfortable in the "valiant opposition" mode of thought and existence and seem to do everything they can to stay there. This may also be a reason for the Third Reich fetishism found in a lot of nationalist circles. While I respect the achievements of NS, I too think that emulating them is not a good idea. History is not kind to losers (in the battlefield sense) and to identify with or as a loser puts one in the same camp. I advocate a rejection of Nazi symbols and imagery, but your observation that we cannot pretend the Third Reich didn't exist is a valid one.
2003-05-06 22:08 | User Profile
**Trisk wrote:
With respect to Sam Francis I remain very disappointed and I do not believe he is a genuine Eurocentric. I have no idea who "canny sammy" is but I doubt that anyone would mistake my pre NSDAP conception of National Socialism as sympathetic to the neo-con world view.**
Canny Sammy is Sam Francis -- so named because he fails to Name The Jew just enough to be "repesectable" to the "respectables."
Il Ragno -- a guy I like more and more as time goes on -- nails it when he says that being moderate never got us anywhere.
[splash...."geez -- I'm surrounded by uncouth Nazis"...splish, splash.... -- Il Ragno at the VNN pool...] :th: :th:
2003-05-07 03:55 | User Profile
I never really understood the hostility that the Linderites have towards Francis....Compared to Thomas Fleming et al. who by his own admission wants nothing to do with racialism, you would think that Francis wouldn't be quite so high in the Linderite hierarchy of demons.
Actually, the only consistent target on OD has been Linder. Most of us here visit VNN, but only the scant few with the temerity to defend him from personal attacks have been targeted with "Linderite". Contrariwise, Francis has any number of ardent champions here...none of whom get called "Franciscans".
Most critics of Francis chide him for pulling his punches, but otherwise have a certain grudging respect for him. Linder's critics, however, uniformly paint him as a demonic beer-hall Pied Piper who is somehow destroying a "movement" that doesn't even exist by gathering a following as large as any paleo can boast. And somehow, the fact that he did it his own way, on his own dime, in his own words, forthrightly capitalizing on a new medium of dissemination while his peers twiddled their thumbs peddling monthly newsletters...these are all entered into evidence as exhibits for the prosecution, for some arcane reason.
Of course, we all know the real reason Linder gets such flak. He decided, wisely, to avoid the inevitable train-wreck that comes by making common cause with holy rollers - by cutting them out of the loop entirely. As we know - or should by now - some people can never forgive the sin of pragmatism. They'd rather cling to the winning strategy of religious provincialism that has, for instance, so successfully liberated Ireland from the English.
2003-05-07 04:11 | User Profile
Il Ragno is eggs-zactly right -- there are a lot of sour grapes about Linder because, like Sinatra, he did it his way, with none of the required ass-kissing of conned-servatives.
[splash -- Il Ragno at the VNN pool]
2003-05-07 04:20 | User Profile
Did it 'his way'? what exactly did he do? what exactly has he accomplished? Who is he, anyway?
I am not trying to be sarcastic. i had never heard of the guy until I lurked on this board, and I guarantee you that out of a 1000 people walking down the street 999 have never heard of him either.
2003-05-07 04:42 | User Profile
Oy, Philip!
Jus' click on da first URL below....vanguardnewsnetwork.com
2003-05-07 05:08 | User Profile
He came from the clouds, as they say in horse racing, and his Alexas have shot up from well over 100,000 to around 15,000. He did it via doggedness, fiery prose, and the audacity to believe that his voice was as valid as anyone else's on the Right, with or without "credentials". He was not an ex-NR editor, nor a once-high-profile columnist, nor an ex-Nixon speechwriter. He was just a toiler in the salt mines of journalism who correctly assessed that nobody was ever going to give him a byline unless and until he played the game (blame the approved scapegoat, hands off the Jews and blacks). Probably the key factor in his starting VNN was his relative youth....he was young enough to take a chance and shout out the things every last one of us have muttered under our breath.....and young enough to regroup if it all went kablooey on him. He also writes like a mf when the spirit moves him.
I think, at heart, Linder's a satirist - a vicious one who understands that nothing is as shockingly, rudely funny as the kind of truths that polite society believes, but won't say. There's an acquired school of thought that holds a long face denotes serious intent. But, hell, if you're already crashing a party you weren't invited to, you may as well violate the Solemn Demeanor rule, too, and go for the exacta. I suppose people who've grown used to the Tom Flemings and Sam Francises find this tone of sardonic levity frivolous if not blasphemous (you know the type: "dammit, we need leadership, not jokes!") but behind Linder's whoopee-cushion approach is a deadly serious understanding that for any substantive change to occur, a whole lot of sacrosanct holy-upon-holies are going to have to be tossed on the pyre.
Maybe he's dead wrong. But let's look at the Serious, Sober approach. Sam Francis & Joe Sobran have been writing 'responsible' columns for decades: they've had to watch those columns dropped by paper after paper, to be replaced by John Podhoretz and Mona Charen and Don Feder. Buchanan's run for President, what? Three times? Four? I've lost count. Hell, it's easier to count the people voting for him - that number started out small and keeps dropping with every campaign he mounts. For all his hard-headed seriousness, he still felt compelled to run with a fringe-commie the last time out to try and inject some kind of juice into the turnout, which was execrable. And we all know what sort of 'conservatives' have been ascendant during this period.
Hey, I like Francis; and I love Sobran. But - to close with another racing analogy - if your horse keeps running last, race after race, you either change jockeys....or shoot the horse.
2003-05-07 12:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 7 2003, 03:55 ** They'd rather cling to the winning strategy of religious provincialism that has, for instance, so successfully liberated Ireland from the English.
**
I didn't understand that, please clarify.
It seems to me that Irish Catholic provincialism (I'll accept the term) worked pretty well in the Irish struggle for national liberation. It freed 80% of the island, and serves as the rallying cry for a large minority in the remaining 20%.
Do you agree with that, or were you being ironic?
Regards,
Walter
2003-05-07 15:09 | User Profile
Though not completely certain its what Il ragno meant, it seems to me that the Irish liberation example is a case of winning a (minor) battle while loosing a war because of failure to recognize another conflict, properly demanding the bulk of their attention. They substituted subservience to London with that of Brussels. Further, the Irish economic miracle was made possible, in part, by shaking the hand of US capitalists ââ¬â taking the money, of course, sans long-term consideration. Economically the country is a veritable US aircraft carrier permanently deployed in the European theatre where its assignment is to keep the market gate open. The manufacturing sector (IT intensive) will share the fate of its US based parent. Who knows what the island will be permitted to keep when the investments cease. Not surprisingly their rate of importing invaders is already superior to most.
2003-05-07 15:57 | User Profile
I hate to sound like a frigging broken record here, but there's room for both approaches on the road to waking whites from their jew-haze.
The movement, if it ever gets any steam (more on that in a minute), it's going to need think-tank eggheads, but it's also going to need foot soldiers. The Francis approach appeals to the former, while Linder's style has more resonance with the latter. The "foot soldier" isn't neccessarily stupid and crude, by the way, but I think has more of a commonsense, gut feeling that something is wrong in what's left of this country and needs a source of information that appeals to the gut, i.e. VNN. Francis is playing a delicate (or cowardly, depending on your views) game of maintaining at least a modicum of mainstream visibility at the price of watering his message down. Francis is assuming, I think, that his readers will connect the dots for themselves. Whether or not that is a valid assumption is open to question. Il Ragno's point in an earlier thread about VDare's "gateway" qualities working for some and not for others may be a reflection of the two types mentioned above. Some readers will make the connection, but others, and this is important, have no real experience with, or concept of, how Jews traditionally operate: nepotism, crypsis, arrogation of eternal vicitm status, etc. As such, they may need to cold dash of water to the face that VNN provides, especially if they are not versed in the lingo, or "codewords" that Francis and others employ.
Pressure is building, and ZOG appears to be working overtime to tighten the screws down. Russert's question pertaining to Israeli influence on the eve of the war is an example, as is the use of peace activists and journalists for target practice by the IDF. Arresting NA pamphleteers for littering is not the sign of a happy government in that if the litterers were as marginal as the media says they are, then why all the legal contortions to arrest them? Talk radio and Faux News are getting literally hysterical about dissent these days. Look at the whole Dixie Chicks fiasco. Talk about a storm in a teacup! The Tam Dalyell affair is also interesting. No Jim Moran is he. Granted, he had to state that he's not anti-Jew more than once (maybe he doesn't realize that he is going to be an anti-Semite from now on whether he likes Jews or not), but it's refreshing to see a politician call 'em as he sees 'em and for once not wither as the unblinking eye of ZOG gazes his way. As an aside, Dalyell's comments referred to "Likudniks" more than once. Could it be that the Francis codewords are actually working?
I don't think the U.S. is ready to elect a David Duke or anything, but the sheep are starting to sense that the water's getting deeper and that there ain't room in the lifeboats for all the non-Jews. Meanwhile, the IP seems to be going for broke, coming out from behind the curtain to push for conquering the Mideast, spending the FedGov and states into bankruptcy and importing Bantus as fast as they can to previously all-white areas and doing so openly. It's almost as if they sense (or know, more likely) the goy horse is ready to collapse, so they've upped the intensity of the beatings to prod the beast into a burst of speed to the finish line, though it'll probably just make the old nag keel over that much faster. I just wonder where the Jews will go to next. Think China will take them?
2003-05-07 16:47 | User Profile
Yeah, I was just being a wise guy (again). My point (if any, ha-ha) was White History is rife with pointless fratricide. And no broad-based movement can hope to survive for long if all participants do not agree to restrict religion to the private sphere. After all, nothing focuses men to the task at hand than having one among them rise up to exhort, "Catholicism simultaneously encompasses, resolves and satisfies all of the conflicting tendencies of our natures; Catholicism has it all. The Cross stretched Christ's arms so wide that they embrace the entire world. Where will you hide from that awful spectre, little men that you are? What other god could eclipse Him? All of your pagan heros were and forever shall be but the dimmest pretenders to His most manifest Glory - and you avail yourselves of them only because you lack the strength to gaze on that most dread vision of Him. Admit it. You run after your own puny philosophies like dogs chasing their tales, all in a fruitless effort to avert your gaze from His most awful Reality. Your efforts are altogether puny - indeed pitifully so." (Feel free to replace the preceding Catholic pieties with the Rapture-Bunnyism of your choice; same result.)
All that is required for the Jew to triumph is for white men to argue about religion amongst themselves.
2003-05-07 17:47 | User Profile
MadScienceType,
well said. Is it necessary to come to the right conclusions the long roundabout way after an intellectual quest? I don't think that's in the cards for the majority. The intellectualism is only necessary to build a defense for those who ZOG attacks relentelessly and who have something to lose. They, being subject to the current "common wisdom" what's right and what's wrong, resulted from the decades of ZOG propaganda, have to play by the rules and are essenitally on the defensive, having to fight an uphill battle given the environment. But the subject here isn't rocket science, it's very basic and doesn't generally need talmudic rationalizations. This is the way the world is, and even the lowest tribesman in Africa grasps the matter instinctively. And even brainwashed Americans deep down know it. Linder fights crude propaganda with crude propaganda. It works. Just as the other approach works too.
2003-05-07 17:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 7 2003, 11:47 ** All that is required for the Jew to triumph is for white men to argue about religion amongst themselves. **
Maybe, but let's make it crystal clear that exhortations like the one you quote were only made in defense of initial attacks by anti-Christians. Just for the record of course, for those that are scoring at home.
2003-05-07 18:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@May 6 2003, 23:11 Il Ragno is eggs-zactly right -- there are a lot of sour grapes about Linder because, like Sinatra, he did it his way, with none of the required ass-kissing of conned-servatives. **
Bullcorn. Lots of sour grapes about Linder because of his uninstigated vicious attacks on anyone who doesn't ideologically see eye to eye with him on his pet issues. Trotskyite mindset, itz.
Like Phillip Augustus, I never even heard of the guy until some started mentioning and linking him here. For all practical purposes, finding any common ground is a fool's errand, so I consider the entire fabricated 'conflict' inconsequential. A time waster, itz.
2003-05-07 18:36 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@May 6 2003, 23:58 I never really understood the hostility that the Linderites have towards Francis, especially considering that Sam Francis is probably the paleoconservative who has been most friendly towards White Nationalism and racialism, and who has probably done the most to create a bridge of communication between racialists and the Old Right. Compared to Thomas Fleming et al. who by his own admission wants nothing to do with racialism, you would think that Francis wouldn't be quite so high in the Linderite hierarchy of demons.
It's an old totalitarian tactic of course. Ultra-radicalism, make sure you have no competition near you in the political spectrum, by vigorously attacking those who are close to you. Just like Stalin used in his comintern directives in the 20's versus socialists.
That of course works when you are in power with a secret police, but is disasterous when you're trying to build your numbers up. Not that it is always inadvertent. We just had the big expose of the German National Party, where the most virulent ideologoes and racists turned out to be government agents. Classic tactics of the police state, encouraging a network of undercover proveceteurs. And some people just remain clueless about what's really going on. (Incidentally such a mindset doesn't leave much doubt what would ever happen ifthese people by some chance actualy became politically successful and wielded power. Just like the old story that Stalin killed more communists than anyone else. Linder would certainly be another Stalin, only toward the right.)
**Furthermore, Francis isn't even that visible a figure to harp on - Pat Buchanan would be a more convenient point of contention in that he actually enjoys some mainstream visibility and impact (and who distances himself from white nationalists far more than Francis has). I prefer to phrase the debate not in terms of the "Sam Francis way or the VNN way" but rather the Buchanan way vs. the David Duke way, so that at least one is comparing apples with apples and oranges with oranges. **
Francis seems more dangerous, because he is so well thought through in his positions and so difficult to manipulate. That said, Buchanan when he was politically active in 92, 96, and 2000 was the subject of at least a certain amount of similar sentiment and crude attacks.
Its just Pat is basically retired from politics now, so they don't bother him. (Maybe that's one reason he retired).
2003-05-07 19:45 | User Profile
**Bullcorn. Lots of sour grapes about Linder because of his uninstigated vicious attacks on anyone who doesn't ideologically see eye to eye with him on his pet issues. Trotskyite mindset, itz.
Like Phillip Augustus, I never even heard of the guy until some started mentioning and linking him here. **
Funny how an inconsequential nobody can agitate so many folks (whose contempt he is apparently beneath).
Kind of like how I get classified a "Linderite" for occasionally defending him against some amazingly scurrilous attacks, but nobody who piles scorn upon him is anything but a 'traditional conservative'.
Like it or not, gentlemen (and I know how much you abhor it)...the future belongs to the young. Who unfailingly frighten the old as too strident, too confrontational, and lacking in the finer graces that allowed them to wear such dignified expressions as they surrendered their country to an enemy we all of us can agree now controls the West. Believe it or don't, I even share a bit of your principled distaste - but it doesn't change a thing.
If you can figure out a way to place the future in the hands of the old - who had their chance and fudged it - make sure Ozymandias gets a copy of the memo.
2003-05-07 20:19 | User Profile
** Il Ragno said, about Linder:
but nobody who piles scorn upon him is anything but a 'traditional conservative'.**
Right on target, big guy. How we ever got into a tiff long before, I do not understand. Your words are also mine.
Franco hereby says: "If ye Named The Jew as ye should, Linder would not HAVE TO attack you in the first place." Yup, yup....
[or is that "thou?"....either way...]
:th: :th: :th:
2003-05-07 21:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 7 2003, 14:45 **Funny how an inconsequential nobody can agitate so many folks (whose contempt he is apparently beneath). **
Well I can't speak for any others, but he doesn't agitate me in the least. Indeed, I never even think of VNN or Linder except for when folks mention it here on OD.
Kind of like how I get classified a "Linderite" for occasionally defending him against some amazingly scurrilous attacks, but nobody who piles scorn upon him is anything but a 'traditional conservative'.
I don't know if I've ever called you a Linderite, though I may have called you an SOB once or twice. :) Just kidding. You know I enjoy reading your comments. But what really strikes me as bizarre is your mention of 'scurrilous attacks' from this corner, when all of it begins and is carried on from the other corner! It's like the Polinco thing. Nobody here ever even mentioned the site, yet they used to (I don't know if they still do) launch all kinds of invective towards us. I can't figure it out. Not that I lose any sleep over it or anything, but it just sort of baffles me when topics take this kind of turn here at OD. Do you and the others who maintain the Linder defense here at OD, in turn defend us with the same vigor on their pages?
Like it or not, gentlemen (and I know how much you abhor it)...the future belongs to the young.
Is thirty-three old? I realize that's the age Christ was crucified, but I consider myself as just now hitting my stride. You already got one of my feet in the grave, IR. :(
2003-05-07 21:56 | User Profile
While I had no intention of making Mr. Linder a focus of debate at O.D. as he is not able to speak for himself here that is the direction this thread has taken nonetheless. As such I believe that a clarification on my part is required with respect to comments made here by myself and others.
First of all, I think that is a very good sign indeed that VNN has such high alexa ratings as it means that uncensored discussion of racial matters are being seen by a sizable portion of the public. Certainly the success of VNN would not have happened were it not for Mr. Linder's writing style. As I mentioned before, I think Mr. Linder is intelligent and well meaning and his site is a valuable resource. What makes VNN worth while is that it gives a wider audience to some very good articles and news stories that other wise would languish in obscurity.
The downside of VNN is that a great amount of the material it features portrays racial concerns in a very negative light and alienates potential supporters from the cause of Occidental restoration. The fact that VNN is doing so well while real world activism in the states is almost nonexistent says a great deal about the final utility of Mr. Linder's approach.
In the states one will note that the National Alliance is the largest pro - white largest racial organization which after 30 years has roughly 2000 members (possibly much less do to the unending internal strife) and zero influence over segment of Occidental American society at large and no real prospect or compressive strategy for changing this undeniable reality. What this shows is that a popular, well maintained site like VNN has not been able to translate it's massive readership into a significant increase in support for the NA which it clearly supports.
By contrast, one can look to Danmark and see that the populist Dansk Folkeparti (DPP) of Pia Kjaersgaard is a major electoral force that has managed to greatly reduce demographic decline and has a large segment of it's membership coming around to genuine nationalism. As another example Italy's Forza Nuova is a genuine racial nationalist party with many times the membership of the NA and a weekly news paper with a circulation of over 20000. The Social Movement - Tricolor Flame (MS-FT) is another such movement which inspite of state oppression has elected a Senator and does well in local elections. Both groups can often swing elections for the establishment right in marginal districts. A fact that in and of it self demonstrates that these groups are far more effective then the NA in effecting public life. These are just a few examples of the fact that almost all European nations have anti-immigrant populist parties that are doing very well electorally and that most have viable and growing racial nationalist organizations far larger then all racialist groups in the states combined. This contrast is even more remarkable if one stops to consider that the legal climate in Europa is uniformly more hostile to racialism then it is in the states, that the homicidal left is larger, better organized and more violent then it is in the states and that major media outlets are often controlled outright governments and parties violently hostile to any form of nationalism.
I raise these points not to belittle efforts by serious activists in the states. Rather, my hope is to force the realization that what has and is being done by racialists in the states have simply not resulted in real world gains for the cause of National Restoration. No matter how unpleasant, a realization that the final destruction of Occidental America is drawing near demands that simply doing what has always been done by racialists is simply not an option any longer. I hope that those of the readership inclined towards the VNN approach understand that my criticism towards the "table manners over all" style of mainstream paleo-cons is subject to similar treatment.
2003-05-07 22:05 | User Profile
** Trisk wrote:
What this shows is that a popular, well maintained site like VNN has not been able to translate it's massive readership into a significant increase in support for the NA which it clearly supports.**
You are wrong, at least in my opinion. VNN has only been online 2 years, yet already has a massive following which other WN/paleo websites can only envy.
The growth of VNN is stunning, and says a lot about their "in your face" approach: it works. It's refreshing. It's liberating, while Canny Sammy's approach feels like having a plastic bag over your head -- you can't breath and enjoy the White air around you. Take off the chains and you can work wonders...
2003-05-07 22:50 | User Profile
Hello Franco,
It seems that you failed to read what I said. I am unhappy with Sam Francis and very critical of mainstream paleo-conservatism so my criticism of VNN is not an endorsement of the former.
I pointed out that while I am encouraged by VNN doing well in terms of alexa ratings the fact remains that racialism is irreleavent to the public discourse in the states and VNN's ratings have not translated into real world gains. The point being that the two things are more often then not destinct from each other. Americans concerned about racial destruction will embrace constructive criticism and attampt to change how they seek to influence the public or they will continue along the path to oblivion.
2003-05-08 00:41 | User Profile
**Is thirty-three old? **
No, of course not. (I'd like another crack at it!) In terms of your everyday life, 33's prime-o-life..
But in terms of where we are now, and where we need to get to....yeah, it probably is.
Remember that the greatest American of all...the man or woman who strikes the spark that sets the whole rotten edifice ablaze and restores our white Republic (or founds a new one)...hasn't been born yet, in all likelihood.
Restoring America could be accomplished in a matter of a year or two. But the will...the unity...and the sense of mission......the NEED to do it....that might be generations away. First we have to deactivate, in our youth, the conditioning that makes them flinch at their own whiteness, and sit up and beg forgiveness of the subhuman and the usurper like dogs. That will not be a simple task. And we have to do it...because we helped do it to them.
So, yeah, 33's already too old to see the Land O' Cane-yan with your own eyes, Tex. All we can do is prepare the next generation, draw a few maps and hope for the best.
2003-05-08 15:10 | User Profile
Dammit, IR, there you go pouring cold water on my daydreams. I had hoped to see the MTV offices ablaze for myself one day! ;)
These are just a few examples of the fact that almost all European nations have anti-immigrant populist parties that are doing very well electorally and that most have viable and growing racial nationalist organizations far larger then all racialist groups in the states combined.
I think that one reason racialist and nationalist movements are gaining ground faster in Europe is a simple lack of space. Here in the U.S. there's enough room that white folks of even modest means can afford to move away from the wonders of diversity and can therefore put their heads back in the sand and pretend that all the killing, raping, pillaging and rioting in "the big city" doesn't affect them (sometimes it comes to you, though, ask the Wichita kids). In the Old Country, however, the smaller area means that even whites who are well-off cannot easily escape the invasion of various dusky peoples and the behaviors and attitudes they bring. Therefore the pressure on whites to get off the fence one way or another is greater. Either embrace guilt and racial suicide thru ARA-type action or back your genetic team. Nothing makes a racist faster than enforced close contact on a regular basis with alien cultural mores and representatives.
Whites in this country are slowly being forced to recognize racial realities, though again, not as fast as Europe. The recent flap about the whites-only prom shows that at least some of our younger whites have healthy instincts. "Conservative" talk radio was predictably outraged about the segregation, but it doesn't seem to have dissuaded the prom organizers. Maybe weisbrot could tell us what the local angle has been. White flight in general is also a sign of healthy instincts, but I think whites are running out of places to fly to. Maybe this is part of the push by groups such as the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society to resettle African refuse in previosly 95+% white areas, e.g. Lewiston. One can almost picture ghouls at the HIAS poring over demographic maps and musing where the most damage could be done. However, given that this will only force whites to get off the fence faster, maybe we should be thankful for the phenomenon.
2003-05-08 15:38 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@May 7 2003, 12:05 ** Lots of sour grapes about Linder because of his uninstigated vicious attacks on anyone who doesn't ideologically see eye to eye with him on his pet issues. Trotskyite mindset, itz.
**
I don't see this in Linder's writings. Say what you will about him, he isn't dogmatic or rigid in the way suggested, and I wouldn't say he's the type to have "pet issues," either. Christianity is a good example. Linder unloads both barrels on it, and for good reason. Yet this does not prevent 1) avowed Christians from writing essays and letters for VNN 2) acknowledgments of positive Christian influence by Linder. VNN has Marc Moran singing the praises of prayer and Linder calling it "passivity sanctified."
If he's got a "pet issue," it's Jews and their destructive influence on White community. We need a thousand more with Linder's intensity walking that pet around the block.
2003-05-18 18:32 | User Profile
Hello there!
My first post and a warm hello to all people in this forum.
Reading a few of the posts I have ralized that this forum is a conservative one. I have always been a left guy, anti-Conservatives, anti-Zionists. Will I be tolerated here, or will I be banned sooner than I post?
Your comments!
:P
2003-05-18 18:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by Rainman@May 18 2003, 14:32 ** Hello there!
My first post and a warm hello to all people in this forum.
Reading a few of the posts I have ralized that this forum is a conservative one. I have always been a left guy, anti-Conservatives, anti-Zionists. Will I be tolerated here, or will I be banned sooner than I post?
Your comments!
:P **
Welcome! We'll look forward to your contributions.
There are sectors of the Left I can easily work with, personally, such as those who oppose the multinational corporations and their "free trade" agenda, and those who oppose Bush's Wars of Empire.
The Authentic Left and Authentic Right have some things in common--important things that the two major parties are lock-step in error on. I'm sure neither of us think much of the status quo.
2003-05-18 19:31 | User Profile
I have always been a left guy, anti-Conservatives, anti-Zionists. Will I be tolerated here, or will I be banned sooner than I post?
Since we do not speak with one voice here, I can't say. I doubt you'll be banned, though.
One thing is certain: you wouldn't have registered here if you weren't already unsure if 'left' and 'right' are even valid categories any longer. In many ways, that divide is now a fable...even a distraction from the real divides that exist, which are far more uncomfortable to come to terms with. A lot of 'leftists' who've never wavered from their positions woke up after 9/11 to discover they were now being called 'fascists'...the way a few folks on the Right one day became 'communists' and 'traitoirs to America' for believing the same things they did the day before.
And now that I've given you the sinister-butler act....welcome!
2003-05-18 19:43 | User Profile
Rainman --
Just oppose Zionism strongly and you should be o.k. [at least until Octopod, or Tex, the resident Christian-types, get ahold of ya...] :D
2003-05-19 02:13 | User Profile
Just checking in here....
2003-05-19 02:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@May 18 2003, 19:43 **Rainman --
Just oppose Zionism strongly and you should be o.k. [at least until Octopod, or Tex, the resident Christian-types, get ahold of ya...] :D**
yeah, your buddy is a real winner frank.
We need, however, to go yet deeper, behind the smoking gun of pure discrimination to see that spatial, skill, and criminal record "mismatches" are themselves deeply colored by and expressive of a covert racism that involves special white fear and loathing toward males within the African- American population.[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=25&t=7944&st=0]Liberty Begins at Home[/url]
Yup just as long as you think this guy hates Christians, he could be a jew wanting to buy your sister to work in a black brothel, and you'd give her to him for free.
I've got a great idea Rainman. Why don't you check out the Pravada.usa forum instead......
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=27&t=7921]OD and Socialist Crybabies[/url]
And if you find it more to your liking, take Frank and his bosum buddies with you.
2003-05-19 03:09 | User Profile
** quote from Rainman via Frederick:
are themselves deeply colored by and expressive of a covert racism that involves special white fear and loathing toward males within the African- American population. **
Well, I did not know that Rainster was gonna go THAT far!! Get the hell out, Rainy!
[img]http://www.worldwartwotimeline.com/Goebbels.GIF[/img]
2003-05-19 06:41 | User Profile
Hello, I have concluded my registration, I am new and I am a Spaniard guy, ideologically I consider myself linked to the European traditionalist right (Alain D'Benoist, Guillaume Faye and others) and to the paleo-libertarian thought (Von Mises, Murray N. Rothbard).
Regards
2003-05-19 06:47 | User Profile
Originally posted by Madrid burns@May 19 2003, 01:41 ** Hello, I have concluded my registration, I am new and I am a Spaniard guy, **
Bienvenidos, Madrid burns.
To truly conclude your registration, you must bring us paella and sangria!
;)
2003-05-19 08:17 | User Profile
I haven't read any of Rainman's posts [other than on this page] but I'd actually welcome an honest-to-God-is-dead leftist here. I'm not going to stop believing what I believe because somebody out there is saying I'm wrong/evil/crazy. However, butting heads with a real ideological opponent would be - I hope you gents're sitting down for this - useful shouting and honing of argument-skills (as opposed to the endless circle-jerk of to-Linder-or-not-to-Linder we've been up to our waists in lately. Or the many variations of "Repent you sinners" we're treated to these days).
2003-05-19 08:29 | User Profile
But dear IR, enemies of Christianity are my real ideological opponents.
2003-05-19 09:14 | User Profile
Frederick William I:
**I've got a great idea Rainman. Why don't you check out the Pravada.usa forum instead...... **
If I can't post and reply to posts here is because I spend most of my free times at forum you've just suggested :P
And I am not a Jew, believe me!
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Franco:
Well, I did not know that Rainster was gonna go THAT far!! Get the hell out, Rainy!
And I did not know you are a white supremacist!
2003-05-19 10:26 | User Profile
**Oh puhleeeeeze. Get off it already. Are you shooting for the "Finest Dershowitz Impersonator of 2003" award, or what? **
Okay, that's thirty-seven times this weekend you've equated dissenters from a verbatim reading of your script with Alan Dershowitz. That cow you keep milking is mooing in pain now.
**Have we pointed out that your (and most Linderites') incessant attacks on Christianity are utterly counterproductive and serve Jewish interests? You bet. **
I'm not attacking; I don't believe. It's a different thing, except to people like yourself. Unless you consider posting as much Sobran as I've posted here constituting an "attack" on Christianity of some sort.
**Your poisecution complex might make Elie Wiesel blush. **
Yeah, my persecution complex is so pronounced that you leap in to "fire back" at a post in which your name was never mentioned.
2003-05-19 12:11 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@May 19 2003, 08:29 ** But dear IR, enemies of Christianity are my real ideological opponents. **
Amen.
But I say bring 'em on!
They're a riot.
Walter
2003-05-19 12:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 19 2003, 10:26 ** I'm not attacking; I don't believe. It's a different thing, except to people like yourself. Unless you consider posting as much Sobran as I've posted here constituting an "attack" on Christianity of some sort.
**
In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter so much if you believe personally.
The main thing to realize is that it's a group thing - this extreme accent on personal experience is a profoundly Protestant mood, and it prevents people from coming into the Church and contributing.
One of the more comforting things I was told years ago as I struggled with my own faith was "don't worry about your own faith. Just join the Church, and let the Church believe for you."
That worked for me, maybe it could be of some help to you.
My constant refrain is that our movement's ideology must of necessity be profoundly Christian, or it will fail. Even if one can't believe personally or join a church, one can still fall in behind the project of building a broad, Christian-based WN movement.
Walter
2003-05-19 16:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 19 2003, 05:26 I'm not attacking; I don't believe. **
A crucial distinction that needs to be highlighted, IR, and thank you for making it. I can certainly work with that.
I can't work with the attackers, though.
2003-05-19 22:22 | User Profile
Hello! I've browsed through this forum for about a week now, and think this is an excellent forum. It's nice to see some real conservatives surviving out there, especially ones who seem to be so proud of and dedicated to their heritage and culture.
I look forward to alternately enlightening, amusing, and enraging you: and I hope you will return the courtesy, in spades.
2003-05-23 11:06 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@May 19 2003, 00:47 ** > Originally posted by Madrid burns@May 19 2003, 01:41 ** Hello, I have concluded my registration, I am new and I am a Spaniard guy, **
Bienvenidos, Madrid burns.
To truly conclude your registration, you must bring us paella and sangria!
;) **
Thanks a lot for the welcome.
Miguel
2003-05-28 17:38 | User Profile
Some have told me I make Pat Buchanan look liberal...
Hey, wait!
I refuse to conform to this "everyone introduct yourself" thread.
So there.
2003-05-29 06:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by Rumblestrip@May 28 2003, 17:38 ** Some have told me I make Pat Buchanan look liberal... Around here, seems everyone thinks that :D> Hey, wait!
I refuse to conform to this "everyone introduct yourself" thread.
So there. **
Enjoyed your non-introduction. ;) Welcome to OD!
2003-05-31 01:25 | User Profile
i have returned.
2003-05-31 01:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by van helsing@May 30 2003, 21:25 ** i have returned. **
Welcome back!
2003-06-01 23:53 | User Profile
redfish365,
Hello and Welcome.
I glad you found this Forum, but you should have posted this in the "Welcome Forum."
Welcome Forum New members may start here to say hello and practice posting
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=SF&f=1]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=SF&f=1[/url]
2003-06-02 01:20 | User Profile
I found out about this forum via a link from New Nation News. I used to post at Stormfront in the past, but the censorship there finally got out of hand so I moved on. Anyway, this site appears more user friendly, judging by what I've seen so far.
Tom
2003-06-02 18:03 | User Profile
Tom:
Don Black is a hero, but you'll find fewer misspellings and more complete sentences on OD.
redfish:
I've always considered Ron Paul the best the Congress has to offer. Granted, that's not saying a lot.
Welcome all.
2003-06-02 23:42 | User Profile
Greetings to all fellow Nationalists. Its a comfort to see the oasis of free speech in the desert of growing censorship.
2003-06-03 00:56 | User Profile
Originally posted by Zvaci@Jun 2 2003, 19:42 ** Greetings to all fellow Nationalists. Its a comfort to see the oasis of free speech in the desert of growing censorship. **
Welcome!
Funny you use that phrase. I once told TD that his forum was an "Oasis in the Desert," and that the phrase could match the initials "OD."
2003-06-03 05:08 | User Profile
[font=Arial][SIZE=3][color=green]IN REGARD TO DON BLACK[/font][/color][/SIZE]
Hugh Lincoln said: > "Don Black is a hero..."
HL: I have mixed feelings about your above statement, even though I'm a self-described white nationalist. Admittedly, Mr. Black certainly has many positive points, among them the courage of his own convictions. However, from a strategic standpoint his adherence to Nazi symbols and those individuals that adopt their use in public demonstrations is counter-productive to the progress of white nationalism. That is true as well with Billy Roper of White Revolution and Kevin Strom of The National Alliance. In the end, it's unfortunate that Mr. Black cannot see the error in pushing Nazism, since doing so will gain us nothing but antagonism, rejection, and ridicule from the very people our movement is trying to reach.
Tom
2003-06-05 13:18 | User Profile
**=Zvaci,Jun 2 2003, 19:42 ] Greetings to all fellow Nationalists. Its a comfort to see the oasis of free speech in the desert of growing censorship.
Welcome! Funny you use that phrase. I once told TD that his forum was an "Oasis in the Desert," and that the phrase could match the initials "OD."**
Thanks. :)
LOL that is really a coincidence because I composed that metaphor while thinking about my ex forum which was shut down by the server for being "unethical" :( ... censorship is really strong this days. :sleep:
2003-06-05 13:41 | User Profile
...Kevin Strom of The National Alliance. In the end, it's unfortunate that Mr. Black cannot see the error in pushing Nazism, since doing so will gain us nothing but antagonism, rejection, and ridicule from the very people our movement is trying to reach.
The official symbol of NA is Rune of Life, not the NS svastika. However I don't see anything wrong in svastika symbol- its very potent solar symbol - opposed to the nocturnal symbols of the orientals - like the star of David or Muslim half moon. Must we reject every cultural treasure that belong to us just because it was popular during Third Reich in Germany? It would be like asking Katolic Church to leave cross aside because Inquisition used it couple centuries ago. :rolleyes: If the Jews find it offensive, so be it! :gun:
2003-06-05 16:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by Pinochet@Jun 5 2003, 12:18 Hello, I'm new here. I'm a National Socialist, in other words, I'm racist and Anti Marxist (among many other things). i'm racially caucasoid. And I'm a Law Student. That's about it. :gun:
Welcome! You're yet another law student I've seen post on this board, which I find encouraging for many reasons. Just don't end up like Matt Hale--they denied his law license because of his high-profile political incorrectness. My father always had excellent advice for me, "Get the job first, before you open your mouth." I should have taken it. :lol:
2003-06-05 18:06 | User Profile
Rasslin' with that Rule Against Perpetuities, Pinochet? Lucky for me, I dodged the damn thing on the Property final because we could choose to eliminate one fact pattern. Of course, you will have to know the rule well enough to spot it on the exam...
2003-06-06 03:06 | User Profile
Pinochet -- welcome.
Gen. Pinochet is a hero of mine. I loved the movie "Missing." I used to visit a pro-Pinochet BB on the Net. Small world.
Viva Operation Condor. Never forget...
2003-06-10 03:39 | User Profile
Greetings to all. I have come to assist in kicking the 'dead horse'. Please pardon my less than enthusiastic entrance, but I can find little to be hopeful about. Perhaps we should take all of the rest of 'them' with us when we switch off the lights.
2003-06-10 15:12 | User Profile
Yes, that feeling sets in every once in a while. But crocuses are popping up, a prominent one being the Internet, which was non-existent throughout the 1960s, 70s and 80s. Read, write, communicate. Meet folks. Step outside. Go to a National Alliance rally. Strike up a discussion on racial difference with your Republican buddy. Just get moving.
I was watching Rep. Tom Tancredo on C-SPAN last night during special orders. He said that the unwillingness to discuss immigration for fear of appearing racist was ridiculous. Alright, it ain't the revolution, but it's something.
We should remain ever-vigilant. But let's not get so despondent that we fall in love with our dispossession and can't take pleasure in hopeful signs.
2003-06-10 16:09 | User Profile
.....Hope you have room for one more... ;)
2003-06-10 19:21 | User Profile
Hi.
I agree with some, but not most, of what I've been reading here. I've lurked for a bit, but just got around to registering.
I'll probably just continue lurking most of the time, but was wondering if it'd be okay to make the occasional post, assuming I otherwise abide by the Terms of Service.
Brief synopsis of where I stand:
(1) Strongly opposed to the current US policy on legal and illegal immigration from Mexico and Asia. I consider these policies, well, insane.
(2) Quite "Eurocentric" in my outlook, in the sense that I do not feel all cultures are somehow of equal value and merit.
(3) I currently describe myself an agnostic, but as I close in on 40 I find myself more and more attracted to the Catholicism of my youth.
(4) I do not presently subscribe to any overarching conspiracy theories that Jews or any other group are behind some sort of nefarious plot to destroy or undermine Western Culture. Although, I do think the west is headed towards oblivion if changes are not made, and made fast.
(5) I am repelled by National Socialism, and do not support such a system under any circumstances.
(6) I am undecided vis a vis Israel. I do think they get far too much of my hard earned tax dollars, BUT I am probably unwilling to completely cut off all aid, at least at present. Beyond that, I honestly don't have any huge issues with Jews, save with those at the extreme end of Zionism. They support themselves, pay their taxes, etc.
(7) I think the proclivity for violence and disorder of the sub-saharan African (both in Africa and as they've been transplanted) is a depressing reality, and I do not wish to endanger myself or my loved ones by being around these people, at least at present. However, I am not -- yet -- convinced that this behavior is genetic, and that these people will remain forever beyond the pale.
Phew. That was a bit longer that I planned. Anyway, to quote the Clash, "Should I Stay or Should I go?" Whenver I go into on-line forums I try to get a "feel" for the place, so I don't accidentally go where I am neither welcome nor wanted. This place -- for good or bad -- is one of the tougher board sites I've ever found to get that feeling. Apologies in advance if I've screwed up.
Weird that the last post was made by the poster Patrick. Patrick happens to be my middle name, and it is generally how I sign off on discussion boards. A plethora of Patricks, I guess. :P
Patrick
2003-06-10 19:29 | User Profile
Originally posted by Undecided@Jun 10 2003, 14:21 ** This place -- for good or bad -- is one of the tougher board sites I've ever found to get that feeling. **
I'm not quite sure what this says about us, but I'm gonna take it as a good thing. :)
Speaking with no authority for anyone else of course, you are most certainly welcome here and I hope you will not be shy about jumping into the fray whenever you may agree or disagree with something. It's almost all good.
2003-06-11 15:08 | User Profile
You're on the right track as far as I can see, Undecided. The radicalism here varies in intensity, with some guys (I believe we have a handful of women, too) tending toward Pat Buchanan paleoconservatism to guys who are explicitly nationalist and convinced (likely rightly) that Jews have far more to do with the dispossession than anyone in American Conservative is willing to admit. There are raging debates over Christianity and its proper role in the future of the West or libertarianism, but I'll think you'll find that there are some common denominators: opposition to immigration, racial realism, and support for traditional values. You won't find any philo-Semites here, but not everyone approves of the Vanguard News Network's approach to addressing the Jewish issue.
Stick around, you might like it.
2003-06-18 04:40 | User Profile
Hello Undecided,
First let me clarify a bit some of the terms you see here. First is Eurocentrism which simply means that one is an Occidental racialist. Racialism is very simply a ideological framework intended to provide a means to help secure the biologic existence of our kinfolk so as to preserve and advance our traditional folkways and mores within a society solely tailored for our needs as a people in part via racial separatism. The term Occidental is simply a sub-set of humanity whose members have as recent descendants (i.e. both of one's parents and grandparents) are racially European gentiles no matter where in the world they happen to reside. Race refers to an aggregate comprised of those that share a highly similar genetic legacy. A past that produced a collective sense of purpose in the form of folkways and aesthetics that provided for internal cohesion over a great number of generations is what I maintain define Tradition. The political expression of racial interests and the Traditionalism of a homogeneous and fully sovereign folk should be what defines a nation rather then merely the perpetuation of coalition disparate interests seeking dominance over society as is currently the case. Such an expression can be either from the state or privately organized by societal interests but what makes such arrangements nationalistic is the extent to which they can be made to maintain and advance Traditionalism rather then simply impose a sectarian will upon the nation, state, or government at large. The means by which the collective affairs of the nation is carried out via a set of institutions that out live their creators is what I refer to as the state. Government is nothing more then a temporary collection of individuals or organizations that control the state. Being a nationalist in part means recognizing the centrality of the fact that the nation is a product of the people that created the Tradition we wish to protect.
Doing so requires a bit of prioritizing in that our efforts must ultimately be based upon the realization that: a) race is a biologic reality B) said reality has profound consequences in all fields of societal life c) that European man is facing extinction in large measure as a result of our socializing institutions being controlled by Jews d) that racial separatism is the only sane/humane means of securing our existence. Anyone that can't/won't recognized the previous statements as the over arching priority of political/cultural struggle is ultimately not on our side although varying temporary alliances can and must be made with those that don't share our ultimate vision. As far as I am concerned those can agree with what has been said so far are Eurocentrics.
Moving along to your other specific points -
(4) I do not presently subscribe to any overarching conspiracy theories that Jews or any other group are behind some sort of nefarious plot to destroy or undermine Western Culture. Although, I do think the west is headed towards oblivion if changes are not made, and made fast.
The matter he is rather simple in that Jews have quite possibly the greatest sense of racial cohesion in the world and they do overwhelmingly and actively support the destruction of the Occident. The best single short piece on the matter is:, [url=http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=1010]http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=1010[/url] although [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-JWAG.html]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-JWAG.html[/url] , [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-CaseJews.html]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-...s-CaseJews.html[/url] and [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Mensa-UpdatingJewishCrimes-MensaLtr2003.html]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Mensa...nsaLtr2003.html[/url] are also excellent. If however, you want to have some real understanding of the matter you simply must purchase Dr. McDonald's trilogy which can be found here: [url=http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/]http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/[/url] And lastly, if you want to know why the media advocates your destruction the answer is here: [url=http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america]http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america[/url]
(5) I am repelled by National Socialism, and do not support such a system under any circumstances. >
What do you accually know about National Socialism that you were not instructed in by someone openly hostile to it? Did you know that nearly every European nation has a National Socialist tradition that stretches back to the 1890's? If you wish to say that oppose something it makes sense to say what exactly you are opposed to any why and that requires a bit of knowledge from first hand sources.
(6) I am undecided vis a vis Israel. I do think they get far too much of my hard earned tax dollars, BUT I am probably unwilling to completely cut off all aid, at least at present. Beyond that, I honestly don't have any huge issues with Jews, save with those at the extreme end of Zionism. They support themselves, pay their taxes, etc. >
As an American I would assume that you would not want to support a nation that has plotted terrorist actions against your country. So I refer you to the following - In 1954, the Israeli government launched a secret operation of terror against the United States called Operation Suzannah. It plotted to murder Americans and blow up American installations in Egypt. Their plan was to leave false evidence that the Egyptians did it, so as to make America go to war against Egypt on the side of Israel. Jewish agents succeeded in blowing up some post offices and American libraries in Cairo and Alexandria. On the way to blow up an American movie house, the Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Theater, an Israeli's agent's bomb went off prematurely. Thankfully, for both Egypt and for America, the plot was then exposed and stopped in its early stages. Because of the capture of the Israeli agents, the world learned of this Israeli treachery and the Israeli Foreign Minister, Pinhas Lavon, was later forced to resign. The whole episode became known as the Lavon Affair."
I would hope that as an American you'd be upset about the murder of American 34 service men by a foreign power which is exactly what Israel did when it attacked the USS Liberty without provocation in ââ¬Ë67 . Just as I hope that you wouldn't want to support a nation with a long history of spying against your own or attempting encouraging other nations to hate your own by misinformation operations designed to have your country attack innocents abroad. Yet that is exactly what Israel did with the Le Belle affair of ââ¬Ë86, the Pollard spy case (as well as plenty of other more recent cases of espionage) not to mention countless other examples of American policy being formed to serve Zionist interests leaving America rightly hated in many nations. It seems to me that you consider Israel as anything other then an enemy of your country is absurd and suicidal.
(7) I think the proclivity for violence and disorder of the sub-saharan African (both in Africa and as they've been transplanted) is a depressing reality, and I do not wish to endanger myself or my loved ones by being around these people, at least at present. However, I am not -- yet -- convinced that this behavior is genetic, and that these people will remain forever beyond the pale. >
Does it really matter what causes black violence against your people? The fact is that it happens at levels that are a horrid tragedy to your people and that it can't be dealt within the confines of the current order. Instead, it makes more sense to note the obvious that racial egalitarianism is a lie and that race is a biologic reality which determines culture. As some with Eurocentric leanings you might note that the only nations that have ever developed the sort of societies you would want to live in were created by Occidentals. The kind of societies that Congoids world wide have produced are squalid dens of human misery and decadence. Large portions of America are effectively third world and your demographic decline will spell the end of your decayed republic and all of the amenities and institutions you hold dear because demographics determine the course of nations. Even a massive reduction in immigration levels won't change this because a third of the people living in the states are not, and cannot be, American in any meaningful sense and third has far higher fertility rates then whites for reasons other then poverty. If your interested in understanding race you must purchase J.P. Rushton's "Race, Evolution and Behavior" which can gotten from any major book seller of a very good price.
I will of course be willing to address any of the matters raised with civility and provide further support for my contentions as time permits.
2003-06-19 02:56 | User Profile
Been lurking for a couple weeks, and found that this place makes me feel all warm and cozy.
I'm glad there are others who've noticed that a war of displacement is being waged against us, and are not shy about saying so. Let me point out that Aztlan is not confined to the SW; here in the Northlands we're becoming hip-deep in sawed-off, jabbering Mestizos. They and the do-ragged, gilded, pimp-rolling urban hominids make for a delightful ethnic mix. Little direct contact with the Jews, though. Of course I too have noticed that movements and causes detrimental to my well-being invariably come with -bergs, -steins, and Golds- attached.
2003-06-20 00:33 | User Profile
Lewis Wetzel,
[color=red]Hello Wetzel and Welcome![/color] And thanks for the Link!
:gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:
2003-06-23 02:28 | User Profile
Hi! everyone! Like I said I am looking forward to some great discussions, and I hope that this administrator means DISSENT , cause that is what free speach is about. It is not about tolerating things that we agree with.
You touch the fro! You gots to go! :afro:
2003-06-23 02:32 | User Profile
Do you name the Jew? :lol:
2003-06-23 02:44 | User Profile
Madrussian, Please explain, I am at a loss. what do you mean?
Thanks;
2003-06-23 02:46 | User Profile
It's an inside joke. Stick around.
2003-06-23 03:33 | User Profile
Hello Sparkakos,
Please tell us what your name means and what you're about ideologically speaking.
2003-06-23 10:20 | User Profile
Pinochet are you Chilean?
2003-06-23 20:56 | User Profile
Hello Triskeleton; My name ' Spartakos' is derived from the ancient Roman SLAVE-REVOLUTIONARY who almost brought down the entire Empire. Ideologically I would say that I am a populist leaning to the right, but there are some good ideas from the left ( even if it is for the wrong reason). I started out being a fan of the Republic and Democracy. But seeing how demagogues lie and cheat their way to power and worst of all seeing how people are apathetic and passive when it comes to tending to their own affairs, I have become a cynic. I guess that is my idiology now , yes , CYNIC. :thd:
2003-06-23 21:20 | User Profile
Thank you for your reply,
As what we both seem to be raising is the prospect of a synthasis of what is popularly called "left" and "right" I would be interested to hear your reflections on what I have posted on this forum in referance such matters. Simply search under triskelion and get back to me when you have the chance. I'll check back with you in a day or two.
2003-06-24 01:16 | User Profile
Hello all,
I post over at Stormfront as Svyatoslav Igorevich, Ares told me about this place so I figured I'd drop by and say hello.
:th:
2003-06-24 03:19 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Raider of Arks@Jun 23 2003, 19:16 * ** Hello all,
I post over at Stormfront as Svyatoslav Igorevich, Ares told me about this place so I figured I'd drop by and say hello.
:th: **
What ethnicity are you?
2003-06-24 16:27 | User Profile
My family has been in America since the 17th century, so I'm about as American as you get :). Anglo on my father's side, Dutch on my mother's. My handle on SF was a nod to the Rus Viking ruler who smashed the Khazars in the tenth century.
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2003-06-26 16:11 | User Profile
Originally posted by triskelion@Jun 17 2003, 23:40 * *Hello Undecided,
First let me clarify a bit some of the terms you see here. First is Eurocentrism which simply means that one is an Occidental racialist. Racialism is very simply a ideological framework intended to provide a means to help secure the biologic existence of our kinfolk so as to preserve and advance our traditional folkways and mores within a society solely tailored for our needs as a people in part via racial separatism. The term Occidental is simply a sub-set of humanity whose members have as recent descendants (i.e. both of one's parents and grandparents) are racially European gentiles no matter where in the world they happen to reside. Race refers to an aggregate comprised of those that share a highly similar genetic legacy. A past that produced a collective sense of purpose in the form of folkways and aesthetics that provided for internal cohesion over a great number of generations is what I maintain define Tradition. The political expression of racial interests and the Traditionalism of a homogeneous and fully sovereign folk should be what defines a nation rather then merely the perpetuation of coalition disparate interests seeking dominance over society as is currently the case. Such an expression can be either from the state or privately organized by societal interests but what makes such arrangements nationalistic is the extent to which they can be made to maintain and advance Traditionalism rather then simply impose a sectarian will upon the nation, state, or government at large. The means by which the collective affairs of the nation is carried out via a set of institutions that out live their creators is what I refer to as the state. Government is nothing more then a temporary collection of individuals or organizations that control the state. Being a nationalist in part means recognizing the centrality of the fact that the nation is a product of the people that created the Tradition we wish to protect.
Doing so requires a bit of prioritizing in that our efforts must ultimately be based upon the realization that: a) race is a biologic reality B) said reality has profound consequences in all fields of societal life c) that European man is facing extinction in large measure as a result of our socializing institutions being controlled by Jews d) that racial separatism is the only sane/humane means of securing our existence. Anyone that can't/won't recognized the previous statements as the over arching priority of political/cultural struggle is ultimately not on our side although varying temporary alliances can and must be made with those that don't share our ultimate vision. As far as I am concerned those can agree with what has been said so far are Eurocentrics.
Moving along to your other specific points -
** (4) I do not presently subscribe to any overarching conspiracy theories that Jews or any other group are behind some sort of nefarious plot to destroy or undermine Western Culture. Although, I do think the west is headed towards oblivion if changes are not made, and made fast. **
The matter he is rather simple in that Jews have quite possibly the greatest sense of racial cohesion in the world and they do overwhelmingly and actively support the destruction of the Occident. The best single short piece on the matter is:, [url=http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=1010]http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=1010[/url] although [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-JWAG.html]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-JWAG.html[/url] , [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-CaseJews.html]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-...s-CaseJews.html[/url] and [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Mensa-UpdatingJewishCrimes-MensaLtr2003.html]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Mensa...nsaLtr2003.html[/url] are also excellent. If however, you want to have some real understanding of the matter you simply must purchase Dr. McDonald's trilogy which can be found here: [url=http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/]http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/[/url] And lastly, if you want to know why the media advocates your destruction the answer is here: [url=http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america]http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america[/url]
** (5) I am repelled by National Socialism, and do not support such a system under any circumstances. **
What do you accually know about National Socialism that you were not instructed in by someone openly hostile to it? Did you know that nearly every European nation has a National Socialist tradition that stretches back to the 1890's? If you wish to say that oppose something it makes sense to say what exactly you are opposed to any why and that requires a bit of knowledge from first hand sources.
** (6) I am undecided vis a vis Israel. I do think they get far too much of my hard earned tax dollars, BUT I am probably unwilling to completely cut off all aid, at least at present. Beyond that, I honestly don't have any huge issues with Jews, save with those at the extreme end of Zionism. They support themselves, pay their taxes, etc. **
As an American I would assume that you would not want to support a nation that has plotted terrorist actions against your country. So I refer you to the following - In 1954, the Israeli government launched a secret operation of terror against the United States called Operation Suzannah. It plotted to murder Americans and blow up American installations in Egypt. Their plan was to leave false evidence that the Egyptians did it, so as to make America go to war against Egypt on the side of Israel. Jewish agents succeeded in blowing up some post offices and American libraries in Cairo and Alexandria. On the way to blow up an American movie house, the Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Theater, an Israeli's agent's bomb went off prematurely. Thankfully, for both Egypt and for America, the plot was then exposed and stopped in its early stages. Because of the capture of the Israeli agents, the world learned of this Israeli treachery and the Israeli Foreign Minister, Pinhas Lavon, was later forced to resign. The whole episode became known as the Lavon Affair."
I would hope that as an American you'd be upset about the murder of American 34 service men by a foreign power which is exactly what Israel did when it attacked the USS Liberty without provocation in ââ¬Ë67 . Just as I hope that you wouldn't want to support a nation with a long history of spying against your own or attempting encouraging other nations to hate your own by misinformation operations designed to have your country attack innocents abroad. Yet that is exactly what Israel did with the Le Belle affair of ââ¬Ë86, the Pollard spy case (as well as plenty of other more recent cases of espionage) not to mention countless other examples of American policy being formed to serve Zionist interests leaving America rightly hated in many nations. It seems to me that you consider Israel as anything other then an enemy of your country is absurd and suicidal.
** (7) I think the proclivity for violence and disorder of the sub-saharan African (both in Africa and as they've been transplanted) is a depressing reality, and I do not wish to endanger myself or my loved ones by being around these people, at least at present. However, I am not -- yet -- convinced that this behavior is genetic, and that these people will remain forever beyond the pale. **
Does it really matter what causes black violence against your people? The fact is that it happens at levels that are a horrid tragedy to your people and that it can't be dealt within the confines of the current order. Instead, it makes more sense to note the obvious that racial egalitarianism is a lie and that race is a biologic reality which determines culture. As some with Eurocentric leanings you might note that the only nations that have ever developed the sort of societies you would want to live in were created by Occidentals. The kind of societies that Congoids world wide have produced are squalid dens of human misery and decadence. Large portions of America are effectively third world and your demographic decline will spell the end of your decayed republic and all of the amenities and institutions you hold dear because demographics determine the course of nations. Even a massive reduction in immigration levels won't change this because a third of the people living in the states are not, and cannot be, American in any meaningful sense and third has far higher fertility rates then whites for reasons other then poverty. If your interested in understanding race you must purchase J.P. Rushton's "Race, Evolution and Behavior" which can gotten from any major book seller of a very good price.
I will of course be willing to address any of the matters raised with civility and provide further support for my contentions as time permits.**
Triskelion, that was a most excellent introduction for Mr Undecided to ponder on. He sounds like he's close to a real awakening, aside from the obvious red flags he displayed, especially on issues with jews and blacks. I'm not condemning or condescending, but I just wonder if people like him, who hold a favorable or sympathetic view of jews and blacks, have had much contact and dealings with them. That's is very importatnt for people to indicate. Me for one, in New York all my life, have seen neighborhood after neighborhood fall in disgrace to savagery, have seen the jewish slumlords and lawyers and politicians disgregard and annihilate traditional city life for $$$$$ for Israel. Actually, your post has given me a much needed boost in realizing what's going on and WHY it's going on.....to the detriment of Whites.
2003-06-26 16:34 | User Profile
Hello EMH,
Thank you for input. As someone growing up in a 100% Nordic nation I never had any contact with Congoids, Jews, Meszitos etc. till moving overseas at age 12. I also had a vague notion as a child that race was pretty much a non-issue and that 'we all are the same'. Living in London I found out the reality and it was a very harsh awakening which is nothing compared with the horror that is modern America (I lived in the DC area for a bit as well as the mid West and deep South while going to University) so I can't imagine how anyone could ignore such realities.
Of course I not heard from Mr Undecided so I can't say if I made any impact upon him.
2003-07-02 01:53 | User Profile
Hallo
2003-07-05 07:15 | User Profile
Good Evening. I've just arrived, by way of "invitation" from "robert2_361."
I look forward to reading through all threads and possibly posting (or initializing one or two).
2003-07-05 15:24 | User Profile
Hello All, I believe I was sent this link as an AR subscriber. Not really sure how it eneded up in my box but I have spent several days perusing the topics and I think I'm in the right place to find some intelligent discussion. This is a test post to see if I've got the system right. For your information I am a 41 year old male with a family, currently living in the South, U.S A. A reformed libertarian, I'm now a confirmed Nationalist. Evola, Spengler, and the 'New Right' are all of interest to me. Tosti
2003-07-05 19:41 | User Profile
Hello everyone.
Yeah, I'm the new guy - been lurking for awhile, tho. Nice to see a spot that actually encourages discussion on those "hot-button" verboten topics. I believe we as a country will be unrecognizeable in ten years; look at South Africa and the Former Yugoslav Republic - there's our future.
I'll be one of those infrequent posters - have lots of work and family does take up time.
I came across this from a posting at TOS (see, I pick up the lingo pretty quick), and did a search on those anti-F sites. This one was noted as being about as far to the Right as it gets - and having looked at alot of the past postings, I feel like I've kicked my feet up and sat down at home.
Thanks for having me!
2003-07-07 11:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by difftrev@Jul 5 2003, 13:41 * I came across this from a posting at TOS (see, I pick up the lingo pretty quick), and did a search on those anti-F sites. This one was noted as being about as far to the Right as it gets*
Original Dissent seems to be receiving a lot of good reviews lately ;), welcome.
2003-07-07 17:22 | User Profile
**I'll be one of those infrequent posters - have lots of work **
Uh, I am at work.
2003-07-07 21:35 | User Profile
Yeah, well, I do surf at work from time to time, but time-wise, there's not much I'm able to do while at work (on a USN ship, no less). I do remember, tho, once upon a time on shore duty, I was able to spend hours online, but that was years ago.
2003-07-08 21:40 | User Profile
Hello all. I came here from another pro white forum. I haven't read a lot of the post yet, But if this welcome forum is any indication of what goes on here, then I feel right at home. So hello again and I'll be back. :taz:
2003-07-14 02:15 | User Profile
Greetings all. I've been lurking for a good while but finally decided to create an account.
2003-07-16 01:49 | User Profile
Hello all. I just wanted to say hello, since I'm new to this site. My name's Ann. You can't really get this is my user name (at least that's what I have been told) so I thought I'd explain so people can just call me Ann.
So Hey.
AnnOnly
2003-07-16 19:57 | User Profile
Welcome dragon, frank, raina and ann. Hope you like the goings-on. Is pro-White taboo? I hadn't noticed. Why, just this morning I was watching a friendly exchange between Kevin Alfred Strom and Matt Lauer, then flipped it off to read a column by Jared Taylor in the New York Times, then headed out the door, where someone was walking down the street with a VNN t-shirt on. Go figure.
2003-08-02 14:57 | User Profile
Hello, this is my first post and my name is Edric. I am from Malta a small archipelago around 90 km south of Sicily in the Mediterrenean Sea. I am interesting in understanding the dynamics of this board in order to understand its direction or the ideas of the majority of the members here.
I am a Pan-European Racialist with Economically Socialist tendencies and Morally Conservative tendencies. I consider myself beyond left and right, though I am still developing my ideas.
2003-08-02 16:03 | User Profile
:clown:
[img]http://www.pyxz.com/users/1044051680/Edric-sleep.JPG[/img]
Hi NazzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZjonalista!
Lets have some of those looooong exciting posts of yours which dont realy say much, they are excellent substitution for sleeping pills :D
Anyway, hows TEH MIGHTEY JARL doing? :drool:
2003-08-02 16:17 | User Profile
Hello Edric,
I don't know anything about Malta but off hand I'd say it's good to have another pan-European here to counter balance the wacky neo-eugenicists, neo-cons and other agents of destruction.
LG & Zvaci, I don't anything about this Edric fellow or the other people you mentioned but doesn't it seem encouraging to have a racially aware fellow signing up here rather then another crank like Ares or a pervert like Raina?
By the Zvaci, it's nice to see you back. If you could I would to see some stuff about your homeland put up from you or the other Croatians as I don't know anything about it.
2003-08-02 16:53 | User Profile
Hello, Edric. Welcome.
2003-08-06 23:14 | User Profile
Hi everyone, i'm new to the forum. I didn't realize this was a paleo-con forum, but i'm open to all opinions. I was wondering how you folks feel about Camille Paglia?
2003-08-07 17:31 | User Profile
She's made the pro-racist point that "generalization," that evil, no-good thing we're not supposed to do with regard to racial groups, is in fact what thinking is all about.
The harder you think, the more racist you become.
2003-08-08 01:48 | User Profile
greetings (big boned) syborgs
2003-08-10 00:56 | User Profile
You know Jack, that sort of thing is awfully hard on the shocks.
2003-08-24 15:27 | User Profile
A big howdy to y'all from Central Texas,
Judging by the number of recovering libertarians here, I ought to feel right at home.
I participate in some other forums for the purpose of enlightening the masses about demographic warfare. I think there is much to be gained by working political forums, even the ones that forbid any kind of racial agitation. There are so many substitutes for the "J" word, like The New World Order, the CFR, the Trilateral Commission etc. I even participate on a left-wing forum. The Talmudists have herded our people astray and herding them back is our task. I had participated in Stormfront's forum and found myself preachin' at the choir. OD contributors seem to have an average IQ about 15 points higher, and expect to learn a few things myself.
2003-08-24 17:18 | User Profile
*Originally posted by travis@Aug 24 2003, 08:27 * ** Judging by the number of recovering libertarians here, I ought to feel right at home. **
I have never been a libertarian, but in the last year I've seen enough of them to realize how neutered the libertarians are by their marxist-like reality-denying dogmas.
2003-08-24 18:42 | User Profile
Welcome, Travis.
2003-08-24 21:25 | User Profile
MadRussian,
With all the backlash against communism/marxism/socialism and with information about the clever tribe's role in it getting past the John Birch Society they had to invent another ideology quickly to divert and neutralize this backlash before it got out of their control. Along came Ayn Rand with libertarian freedom---from everything but them.
The goyim are to believe some Jews like communism and some Jews like freedom, but only the goyim are foolish enough to pledge their loyalty to ideologies, the chosen ones are always loyal to each other.
2003-08-24 23:29 | User Profile
That's pretty much what I think too. Do you know many libertarians and anti-"statists" in Israel? And how does that compare to the number of zhid subversives in, say, the US?
All the radical teachings don't hurt the zhids as much as the host population, because the zhids never target their swarm with the same zealotry as the hated goyim societies; and they always have the zhid interests at heart, thus making themselves invulnerable to the extremists in their own ranks.
2003-08-30 07:18 | User Profile
Hello
I was invited to come along and have a look. I did and after a few visits, decided to register.
I'm from the African continent. Southern Africa to be more specific. Where the last remnants of Western civilization are holding out against the hordes. Hence my name.
4 plus million against 45 million are the odds. The official 45 million blacks is also probably much more. Statistics here tend to be garbled if not downright misleadingly incorrect. However, that's also part of the culture I guess.
Many thanks.
Last Outpost
2003-08-30 16:20 | User Profile
I am a Hoppe-style libertarian and white nationalist, located in the Midwest. (For those who confuse libertarianism with Randism, check out hanshoppe.com and lewrockwell.com.) I am a supporter of the Latin Mass, and Roman Catholic Church Reform.
2003-08-30 23:44 | User Profile
Hello everyone :)
Well, I think this is the place for introductions... I was invited to take a look at this forum by a fellow who goes by "Will to Power" over on Stormfront.
I'm also Catholic... and a Southerner...
I'm from the Tampa, Florida area... I'm an 8th generation Floridian.
2003-08-30 23:58 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Abbess Ectoplasm@Aug 30 2003, 17:44 * ** Hello everyone :)
Well, I think this is the place for introductions... I was invited to take a look at this forum by a fellow who goes by "Will to Power" over on Stormfront.
I'm also Catholic... and a Southerner...
I'm from the Tampa, Florida area... I'm an 8th generation Floridian. **
Welcome, Abbess.
2003-08-31 06:50 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Last Outpost@Aug 30 2003, 01:18 * ** Hello
I was invited to come along and have a look. I did and after a few visits, decided to register.
I'm from the African continent. Southern Africa to be more specific. Where the last remnants of Western civilization are holding out against the hordes. Hence my name.
4 plus million against 45 million are the odds. The official 45 million blacks is also probably much more. Statistics here tend to be garbled if not downright misleadingly incorrect. However, that's also part of the culture I guess.
Many thanks.
Last Outpost **
Welkom by die kletskamer, Last Outpost! Kom u van Suid Afrika af?
2003-08-31 12:34 | User Profile
Hello all. Might say I just "woke up". :taz:
2003-08-31 14:30 | User Profile
Hello all..
I, like others that come here, waited and read with anonymity just to see what temperature the waters were, so to speak.
I must admit, that even having come full-circle from young, stupid pseudo-Liberal to a 20-something Libertarian to far right wing conservative in my middle 30's, some of the conversations I have read here have left me a bit fuddled. I used to think myself well-read. I have read Jefferson, Adams, Theodore Roosevelt, Kafka, Bork, Rand, Suprynowicz, Trotsky and many others... what I have concluded is that:
Libertarianism is just Hedonism with a different paint job.
Liberalism is pure Socialism, which is a blight on mankind (we'll get into Egalitarianism later).
Communism is a total repressive failure and, in my humble opinion, undiluted Evil.
Conservatism (at least the modern version) is almost as bad as the modern Left here in the US.
I guess my main question is: Since coming full circle on all this and have made an effort to educate myself in the extreme, am I wrong to believe that the Founders had it right the first time around, at least with regards to what system of government the Old Republic used to be?
Secondary questions are: Am I in the right place and what do you call someone who wants a return to the system that the Old Republic operated under from Washington to Wilson?
Thanks, and hope to see you all soon.
Ausonius :gun:
2003-08-31 17:05 | User Profile
Dagsê Prodigal Son. Ja ek kom van Suid Afrika. Baie danke vir die verwekoming. Dis jy wat my uitgenooi het as ek reg onthou. Jy het my weberf van Afrikanercharity besoek.
So hier is ek nou. Ek het party van jou goedjies gelees. Ek kry die gevoel jy ken ons deel van die wêreld baie goed.
Groete
LO
2003-08-31 17:08 | User Profile
Ausonius
As far as I am concerned I reckon you are spot on regarding the thinking of the Founding Fathers of the US. I'm sure they are turning in their graves right now.
See you around.
LO
2003-09-01 00:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by phoenix8313@Aug 31 2003, 06:34 * Hello all. Might say I just "woke up". :taz:*
Welcome, Phoenix, Do you have any comments regarding your awakening that might be of strategic value in awakening others?
2003-09-01 12:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by travis+Aug 31 2003, 18:50 -->
QUOTE (travis @ Aug 31 2003, 18:50 ) <!--QuoteBegin-phoenix8313@Aug 31 2003, 06:34 * Hello all.ÃÂ Might say I just "woke up". :taz:* Welcome, Phoenix, Do you have any comments regarding your awakening that might be of strategic value in awakening others? **
The waking up part was my discovering OD forums. I know the neighbors are wondering who just moved in, LOL. I'd say the polite spread of information is the best approach. Having the right info, and not trying to shove it down someone's throat. I asked a guy for some help in finding a true conservative group. He sent an Am Ren link and I found the rest with searches and links. The hunger for that truth has to come from within, and he knew that.
As conservatives, we are kidding ourselves if we think the masses of the world will magically(with a few well-designed arguments) decide against evil and choose the harder road of conservatism, versus the promise of easy living form Marxism. Marxism is a strong temptation because it promises to relieve people of the pressures and fears involved in caring for themselves in reality. Most people are more comfortable in the dark, able to blame a miserable life on someone else.
To me, the challenge of conservatives is in organizing a concerted effort to oppose Marxism, and staying out of prison or graves, while refining positions. When it all comes down to it, if they can't change your thoughts and actions, they'll jail or kill you and move on. Communication, such as web sites must some day yield to local face to face organization. The emphasis being on organization and weeding out informants, versus the attempted conversion of someone who's main objective is to prove me wrong.
It's this infrastructure where I believe energies are most effectively spent. The infrastructure that organizes candidates for political office(mainly local and state), jobs and employment networks for conservatives, essentially self-suffcient isolation (as much as possible) from the left. Instead of "saving" the left, I think more in terms of competing with it. I don't mean that information isn't needed, that's why I am here, just that a 180 degree conversion attempt is not nearly as porductive as working with the ones who are already on the way to home plate.
It's good to be here, and getting to know the membership.
il ragno
2003-09-01 14:24 | User Profile
Haven't looked at this thread in some time, so let me extend a warm welcome to all new-boots. I notice a lot of polite reticence along the lines of "not sure if I'll be welcome here".
Nonsense. There's no reason y'all shouldn't be posting in the regular OD sections. This is a lively and at times cantankerous board that thrives on intelligent debate, in-depth conversation and even the odd heartfelt rant. If you were savvy enough to find us, and savvy enough to post an introduction to the 'welcome' thread, you're certainly ready to join in and contribute posts and topics. In fact, I insist.
travis
2003-09-01 15:21 | User Profile
*Originally posted by phoenix8313@Sep 1 2003, 06:25 * **
I'd say the polite spread of information is the best approach. Having the right info, and not trying to shove it down someone's throat. The hunger for that truth has to come from within** This is exactly the strategy I use and recommend whenever someone who hungers for truth is encountered. Sometimes it's necessary to whet their appetite first, over a period of time.
Phoenix, don't put too much faith in conservatives, there are millions of stupid ones. I'm trying to enlighten them on this forum.
[url=http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?Cat=]http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/ub...hreads.php?Cat=[/url]
Franco
2003-09-02 01:57 | User Profile
Hey -- I was banned by that person, Warlady, about 2 years ago. Whether it is the exact same conservative forum, I don't know, but it's the same lady/logo.
I have been banned from about 10 forums. Such intolerance... :)
Ruffin
2003-09-02 04:12 | User Profile
Hello Ausonius -
Make that 'the system that the Old Republic operated under from Washington to Lincoln.' Our jews merely picked up the scent of a jew-ready system.
Ruffin
mwdallas
2003-09-02 04:42 | User Profile
Honestly, Ruffin, every system is tailor-made for Jews, and the more systematic the better. It should not surprise anyone that the Germans with their deserved reputation for Ordnung were the Jews' host of choice until the Balfour intrigue and the chance for direct (rather than behind-the-scene) control in Russia presented themselves essentially simultaneously. This is why Christian bashing is so unfair -- Christian doctrine is manipulated because the organized religious body can achieve so many secular results. (As always, I recommend D.S. Wilson's "Darwin's Cathedral" on this point.) Obviously, the long march through the institutions also has other targets, but atheist gentile professors buy into the Jewish agenda every bit as much as unthinking dispensationalists or "deformed Protestants". And, yes, individualist societies structured in the fashion of The Old Republic are certainly susceptible to infiltration and manipulation by a cohesive group.
travis
2003-09-02 11:47 | User Profile
Franco, Yeah that's the same forum, do you remember exactly what wording you used that got you booted?
MWDallas, Yes, ridgid ideologies are Jew penetrable. I often argue the point with Libertarians that vigilance, not ridgid ideologies are the tools of freedom.
golfball
2003-09-02 14:53 | User Profile
Yes, Original Dissent is a very good place to read, learn and interact with various people and ideals from all over.
Nobody has a monopoly on any forum as this is not what OD is about. Original Dissent is a great place to exchange ideas and give a voice to your thoughts while interacting with others here.
Welcome! :)
All Old Right
2003-09-02 15:39 | User Profile
Nobody has a monopoly on any forum as this is not what OD is about. Original Dissent is a great place to exchange ideas and give a voice to your thoughts while interacting with others here.
Welcome! :)
Did my use of the word "conservative" raise some concern? I am curious of the thoughts that encouraged this post about a monopoly. I do not demand others see life exactly as I do, but I am curious at what point does internet discussion morph into productive activity.
I do not believe anyone with Bush is the least bit conservative, and think the word is greatly misrepresented. Not to suggest at all that I don't treasure different views and ideas, because that's what allows for growth(seems people have to see that these days). I just believe that there has to be some structure, or aren't we defining anarchy? And, when we are constantly proclaiming the value of different views is the leftist definition of "tolerance" far behind? We can't abandon systems because Jews thrive by exploiting systems, and at some point, productive communication needs to be based on unchanging definitions. Being disorganized is exactly what any opposition desires for an opponent. I don't hear blacks, latinos or Jews debating against structure and they have been greatly effective at having their interests addresssed.
I'll take il ragno's advice (or was that a command? ;) ) and try to get a thread started away from the welcome thread. I don't understand how any objective can be reached if the support for a concept is still debating definitions. I have ot wonder if whites aren't so focused on indivuality, that they are unable to overcome organized groups such as Jews and other minority groups in US with a majority of influence. I've got to take off now. Great discussion though.
travis
2003-09-03 00:18 | User Profile
Phoenix, I'm pleased to see we have another intelligent participant on this forum.
I have no quarrel with conservative ideals as held by many on this forum, but want to first emphasize that ideologies are weapons, as you have no doubt discovered about liberalism and libertarianism.
The Jews use the 2-party system to divide and conquer us by antagonizing one against the other. There are conservative Jews, liberal Jews and libertatian Jews, but the thing we must remember about this is that only gentiles are foolish enough to pledge their loyalty to ideologies. Jewish cohesiveness transcends ideologies.
I work liberal, conservative and libertarian forums and find that most of what they do is talk about how stupid and evil followers of other ideologies are.
Conservatives (self-proclaimed) are not much better than the others in that most of them engage in tribal thinking rather than think for themselves. For example, they staunchly defend the USA Patiot Act but if the liberals had implemented the exact same legislation they would be fuming about it.
Yet I think all these forum participants of different ideologies are a better lot than the apolitical hedonistic materialistic dumb masses that aren't interested in politics at all, since they at least have a spark of interest. There is hope for them.
golfball
2003-09-03 04:05 | User Profile
Did my use of the word "conservative" raise some concern? I am curious of the thoughts that encouraged this post about a monopoly. I do not demand others see life exactly as I do, but I am curious at what point does internet discussion morph into productive activity.
...........
No, your statement that contained the word "conservative" did not raise any flags and my alluding to the term monopoly is in reference to someone bullying a forum.
There are several other threads to participate and debate on that may look like a free for all but due to the clientele and intelligence of most posters here, most discussions do not get out of hand.
As it should be between ladies and gentlemen.
All Old Right
2003-09-03 17:12 | User Profile
Conservatives (self-proclaimed) are not much better than the others in that most of them engage in tribal thinking rather than think for themselves. For example, they staunchly defend the USA Patiot Act but if the liberals had implemented the exact same legislation they would be fuming about it.
Yet I think all these forum participants of different ideologies are a better lot than the apolitical hedonistic materialistic dumb masses that aren't interested in politics at all, since they at least have a spark of interest. There is hope for them.
I won't repeat the all of kind and wise words already said. Only that I appreciate a place of discussion such as OD, and look forward to future interaction, getting to know you all. I can't believe it took me so long to find it. I've been looking for 4 years for a site so in tune with what I believe. Sometimes I don't understand someone, and need clarification on posts. But, I am here to learn and share information/ideas. It's sometimes easy to misread a post, especially if not familiar with a member.
travis: To that I would like to add conservatives who don't act as they speak. I use conservative as it used to be known, not as it has been redefined by the left. But, stealing the identity of a group is the fastest way of destroying or preventing organization of a group. I dunno, in some ways I disapprove of "labels", but like government, I believe we need it in some minimal form that does not destroy or compete with the individuality of the citizenry.
I hope I get some participation on my political sepctrum/philosophy thread, because I do need assistance in what definitions are being used so I don't misunderstand certain positions. When I say "right" on the spectrum, I envision increased individuality and less government...left is the opposite. Close? It's hard finding a traditional spectrum that doesn't call Hitler right wing. If he was a fascist, wouldn't that put him on the left? I need some help on figuring some of this stuff out, and where to get reliable resources for info on such things.
MonyXtwo
2003-09-03 19:44 | User Profile
**If you were savvy enough to find us, and savvy enough to post an introduction to the 'welcome' thread, you're certainly ready to join in and contribute posts and topics. In fact, I insist. **
Not sure how savvy I'm feeling today, as I'm still stumbling around trying to figure out how to get something posted around here, but ... hello all.
(PS: I left my shotgun over at LF, if you get my drift) :gun:
madrussian
2003-09-03 20:02 | User Profile
Welcome to a non-libertarian board, riding :lol:
MonyXtwo
2003-09-03 20:26 | User Profile
Libertarianism (capital L) is nothing but a circular file for disgruntled demoblicans and republicrats.
Someone made a comment earlier about how Jews (and others) are successful because they have the ability to unite behind specific goals. Libertarians don't/can't figure out what their goals should be and so, someone will eventually empty out the file drawer and Libertarians will get hauled to the trashbin of history.
travis
2003-09-04 00:13 | User Profile
MonyXtwo,
Of all parties, I think you will find the average IQ the highest among Libertarians. It stands to reason that those who are the most capable would incline towards social Darwinism, and that they would embrace the ideology of individualism. Ayn Rand's people had to find a place to put them so they invented a round file that would fit better than the other parties. The Protocols say something about "intellectual movements of the goyim".
Phoenix,
I don't see individualism as such a strong defining characteristic of the right, at least not based on the experiences I've had. In any case, as far as our cause is concerned, individuality may not be such a positive attribute. I have had to suppress mine somewhat to serve our cause better. Jewish inter-loyalty transcends individuality.
If you have any success with those definitions, it's universal acceptance probably won't go beyond this forum. You've latched on to a monumental task, good luck. Defining "facism" is beyond me, espescially as in common usage by the left. When you get down to the nitty-gritty even commonly agreed upon terms like "free market" are pretty ambiguous. Definitions have been stolen too, and new ones added.
I purchased a 1933 Oxford Universal Dictionary on Historical Principles. Of course words like xenophobia didn't exist back then, but what shocked me is that this 2500 page dictionary doesn't list the word "racist".
BjarniTyrdal
2003-09-05 02:16 | User Profile
Hello all,
This is Bjarni Tyrdal who was directed to this forum by my old comrade ââ¬ÅTriskelionââ¬Â who is here. Me English is sort of hard so it comes to my wife to type these messages out and translate others here for me. As to me I will say that I am a National Socialist of the vitalistic sort very much like Maulnier-Brasillach-Andre Ullman-Aron-Spann wing. Such has been my commitment as a political soldier from the year of ââ¬Ë84. I aspire to promote the Organic view of soil and blood to those that seem to live for something more then self and greet with loyalty all that reject the enemies of continuity. I am here to promote nobility of spirit and sacrifice for defense of Europa.
I have been honoured with a public office so those that wish to have exchanges on electoral arts should tell me where such statements need be placed. Also, some direction is in order for seeing where to place ideological matters.
It is early to say as yet if this site is a place conductive my purpose but I shall try.
mwdallas
2003-09-05 04:45 | User Profile
Welcome, BjarniTyrdal --
Your (or your wife's) English is quite good. We will surely be interested to hear your thoughts.
Ron
2003-09-13 00:23 | User Profile
I am new to this forum, and have been lurking for awhile. Hope this will be interesting. :)
max soldo
2003-09-15 03:31 | User Profile
This Polish Noble dude still here?
Campion Moore Boru
2003-09-19 06:34 | User Profile
"max soldo?"
Where's OD's official troll-spotter when you need him?:D
FightinWhitey#2
2003-09-23 09:07 | User Profile
New here!
I have lurked a little here before. Am I correct in the imprssion this board is about traditonal/paleo conservatism??
Sertorius
2003-09-23 11:31 | User Profile
Greetings and welcome! F.W.
That is the primary thrust of this board, though there are other views that I wouldn't consider paleoconservative here as well. We get along because we know who our main enemy is. Check it out.
Odysseus
2003-09-23 23:38 | User Profile
I'm impetuously diving in without testing the water first.
A very brief bio. Politically I'm somewhere to the right of Pat Buchanan. I'm a middle-aged, middle class, totally disgusted and disgruntled white American.
I'm looking forward to some interesting debate and discussion.
Franco
2003-09-24 02:09 | User Profile
Welcome, Odysseus. To-the-right-of-Pat-B. is a good start....although hang around here long enough and Pat B. will seem like a leftist... :jester:
Odysseus
2003-09-24 02:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Welcome, Odysseus. To-the-right-of-Pat-B. is a good start....although hang around here long enough and Pat B. will seem like a leftist... :jester:[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Franco! Without spending more time here reading than I have, I didn't want to come on [I]too[/I] strong. Let's say Ol' Pat is so far to my left that I can't even see him anymore.
This is a good sign. Thanks for the welcome.
Texas Dissident
2003-09-24 05:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Odysseus]I'm impetuously diving in without testing the water first.
A very brief bio. Politically I'm somewhere to the right of Pat Buchanan. I'm a middle-aged, middle class, totally disgusted and disgruntled white American.
I'm looking forward to some interesting debate and discussion.[/QUOTE]
Welcome Odysseus. By the looks of it, you personify our target demographic almost to a T. Please jump in and mix it up, and tell a friend or two about us. Also, if you get a chance please let us know how you came to find our little cyber catacomb.
Odysseus
2003-09-25 03:52 | User Profile
A friend of mine, who's a member here, spoke highly of this Forum on Stormfront so I thought I'd register and see for myself what was here.
I [I]still[/I] haven't had a chance to 'look around' and get a feel for this site so I feel...mmm... vulnerable? What's the general consensus around here when it comes to Stormfront?
paleo-nationalist
2003-10-21 16:47 | User Profile
Hello Original Dissent, I found this forum a few months ago but decided to wait and learn before posting. I found this site from Stormfront.org, I must say this and Stormfornt or the only good forums for the paleo-white-nationalist politcal scene. Bear with me though I am only 19 and here to learn I am still new to this whole thing even though i read all of Kevin Macdonalds books they are extremely eye opening and brillant. For now i just here to learn and hopefully I will be posting and adding to this forum. :cheers:
na Gaeil is gile
2003-10-21 16:58 | User Profile
Welcome paleo-nationalist, there is a mountain of good threads on this forum relating to Kevin Macdonald.
:cheers:
triskelion
2003-10-21 20:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]Howdy, Bluegrass!
Okie -- I checked the Alexa numbers on FGriday, and OD was around 37,000 for the prior day or two.[/QUOTE]
It seems that those bemoaning the down fall of O.D. let their defeatism jump the gun. An Alexa rating of 37, 000 is excellent and cause for encouragement not depression.
W.R.I.T.O.S
2003-10-21 21:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=paleo-nationalist]Hello Original Dissent, I found this forum a few months ago but decided to wait and learn before posting. I found this site from Stormfront.org, I must say this and Stormfornt or the only good forums for the paleo-white-nationalist politcal scene. Bear with me though I am only 19 and here to learn I am still new to this whole thing even though i read all of Kevin Macdonalds books they are extremely eye opening and brillant. For now i just here to learn and hopefully I will be posting and adding to this forum. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
SF is full of hollywood nazi fetish freaks and moron moderators.
na Gaeil is gile
2003-10-22 14:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=W.R.I.T.O.S]SF is full of hollywood nazi fetish freaks and moron moderators.[/QUOTE]
Don Black made a rare post on the subject of blowhards within the movement, including a critque of one of the moderators you may be interested in. It's about half way through this thread:
[URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=95445]So many problems with the movement[/URL]
W.R.I.T.O.S
2003-10-23 03:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=na Gaeil is gile]Don Black made a rare post on the subject of blowhards within the movement, including a critque of one of the moderators you may be interested in. It's about half way through this thread:
[URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=95445]So many problems with the movement[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yeah, that MuadDib is a fool and Don hasn't canned him, despite the fact that he knows the score. But you know that 75% of the posters at SF are morons just from their handles alone. "PanzerFuhrer88," SS_Himler" just sound like creepy borderline serial killer paranoid freaks.
na Gaeil is gile
2003-10-23 09:20 | User Profile
Empty Third Reich fetishism is a problem but the Stormfront membership is pretty young on average and unaware of alternatives. Let's remember real 'creepy borderline serial killer paranoid freaks' have names like Wolfowitz and Perle.
Maxim
2003-10-23 15:50 | User Profile
Hi Everyone :beer:
I just registered and thought I should say Hi. I am also a member of Stormfront using the same name. I found this forum and like it almost as much (only a little less because its smaller), plus looks like we can discuss religion here :D ...can't wait to get to know you guys and gals. Cheers
Adam
Mithras
2003-10-23 17:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Odysseus]What's the general consensus around here when it comes to Stormfront?[/QUOTE]
My personal feelings about SF is that the only worth you will get there is from 1 percent of the regular posters from the articles section or the newslinks (though I'm sick and tired of hearing about all of the crimes against Whites). Most of the others are too interested in either dictating how everyone should behave or whining about what so and so did to them. By the looks of the content on OD I'd say that the intelligence and quality of discussion is far above and beyond that which you will find on SF.
triskelion
2003-10-25 02:07 | User Profile
Hello Maxim,
Some very good people are here and with a bit of effort on your part I am sure you can learn alot and hopefully we all can learn a bit from you.
As to SF i'll say that that while have never posted there some very good people are about that forum. The problem is that the freaks and costume fetish crowd out number them about 50 to 1 and I simply lack the energy and time to find the diamonds lost in the dung. Also, the entire forum demands that a worshipful attitude be shown to any American racial luminary no matter what his massive downsides are. Support of this unreality is possible only by massive censorship of anyone that points out the obvious.
awakened_sleepnomore
2003-10-31 01:32 | User Profile
Hello,
Been watching OD for a while, just registered. Thought I might join in on some of the discussions. Looking for ways to make things better. Haven't seen any opportunities thus far except self improvement activities like training, getting in shape, taking self defense classes, etc. Family and friends don't seem to be concerned with the way America is going and who is moving it and don't seem receptive to any proof to the contrary. Been analyzing MacDonalds three books, good stuff. I like to read David Irving's books also. I especially like that line in Nuremburg when the plotters and future prosecutors are talking about how they must instill such a feeling of guilt in the German public that they never are a threat again. I guess one sticks with a successful strategy.
Most frustrating thing is extremely right wing friends falling for all these false flag organizations.
What really makes me wonder is how things are going to get better now when 30-40-50 years ago they had these massive organizations that recognized the danger and couldnt stop it. I see pictures on the net of massive ballrooms full of people at meetings of these various not defunct groups.
I wonder why more old people don't go out with a bang and take out some of the enemy with them since they know whats up and are going to die soon anyway. This artie wheeler thing really disturbes me. He could have awoken a lot of people by making the system railroad him further with a long trial. Instead he plea bargained? I guess no one wants to pay the big price.
Smedley Butler
2003-11-02 06:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=awakened_sleepnomore]Hello,
Been watching OD for a while, just registered. Thought I might join in on some of the discussions. Looking for ways to make things better. Haven't seen any opportunities thus far except self improvement activities like training, getting in shape, taking self defense classes, etc. Family and friends don't seem to be concerned with the way America is going and who is moving it and don't seem receptive to any proof to the contrary. Been analyzing MacDonalds three books, good stuff. I like to read David Irving's books also. I especially like that line in Nuremburg when the plotters and future prosecutors are talking about how they must instill such a feeling of guilt in the German public that they never are a threat again. I guess one sticks with a successful strategy.
Most frustrating thing is extremely right wing friends falling for all these false flag organizations.
What really makes me wonder is how things are going to get better now when 30-40-50 years ago they had these massive organizations that recognized the danger and couldnt stop it. I see pictures on the net of massive ballrooms full of people at meetings of these various not defunct groups.
I wonder why more old people don't go out with a bang and take out some of the enemy with them since they know whats up and are going to die soon anyway. This artie wheeler thing really disturbes me. He could have awoken a lot of people by making the system railroad him further with a long trial. Instead he plea bargained? I guess no one wants to pay the big price.[/QUOTE] Quote ]They don't seen receptive to any proof to the contary ] I hear you...Welcome too..
awakened_sleepnomore
2003-11-03 01:59 | User Profile
Thank you both for the kind welcome.
[QUOTE=new and improved][URL=http://www.newnation.org/NNN-wichita.html]Ever hear of the Witchita massacre?[/URL] This got NO coverage in the major media. Talk about disturbing. I direct you to it only because it tipped the scales in my evolving understanding of things.[/QUOTE]
Yes I found that event very disturbing for many reasons. The most disturbing for me was the victims behavior. The perpertrators were career criminals and shouldnt have even been allowed to walk the streets. We can thank our crinimal justice(protection) system for that. The lack of press coverage was pretty typical. So I see it as 3 problems, one ours and 2 of the enemy. I hope someone is keeping track of all these things and writing a book or something about it. We have to remember to be able to right the wrong and bring those guilty to account.
I think the mad scramble for control of every element of every kind of media in combination of the overplaying of white on non-white crime and the non existent reporting of non-white on white crime is nothing short of an attack on white civilians. It encourages more such attacks and fools us into not taking appropriate action to mitigate future attacks. This attack must be answered.
If our enemies insist on attacking our civilians without fielding an army or declaring war then they shouldn't complain when action is taken against thier civilians. What else can we do?
Smedley Butler
2003-11-03 20:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=na Gaeil is gile]Empty Third Reich fetishism is a problem but the Stormfront membership is pretty young on average and unaware of alternatives. Let's remember real 'creepy borderline serial killer paranoid freaks' have names like Wolfowitz and Perle.[/QUOTE] Thank's for a reality check on the name game. Especially toward's the young and the demonizing of German patriot names. I do not advise any W.N. to use them, not because they are wrong to use, but because the 60 years of dumbing down of whites. That is why.. Besides most white's thanks to the real hater's and supremecist's know nothing of their own country's history and it's real hero's..
Franco
2003-11-08 19:41 | User Profile
OD has a new member named Levinson.
:mellow:
Mebbe he don't know about OD's reg'lar posters....
Franco
2003-11-08 19:44 | User Profile
Uncle Franco typed in the surname Levinson here:
[url]http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.htm[/url]
and, well, ya knows....
:mellow:
OlafLynckner
2003-11-14 21:26 | User Profile
Hello, Olaf Lynckner here.
I was recommended to this forum by an old comrade that goes by the name of "Triskelion" here. I use a server run by a mutual comrade which is often under heavy use so please do not be upset if I am slow responding to messages or debate here. He has been asking me to post here for some time so I thought I would see it's a good idea. In any case, I am in the haulage business and own a small Inn (I think that's the American term) and I am an elected official in the city of Jomala. I have three children and a wife that I married at age 22.
My ideology is basically from the "vitalist" or "ethical" school of National-Socialism which promotes syndicalist worker ownership of industry, racial separatism, anti-imperialism and representation in government that is corporative and Associative Democracy in design.
Those that have questions about such things are free to ask and if those people that run this place have problems with ideals like mine simply say so and I'll end the membership here.
Craig Smith
2003-11-15 18:27 | User Profile
An interesting collection of viewpoints.
By way of introduction, my own can be found here:
[url]http://www.nazi.org/current/columns/smith/[/url]
I would describe myself as an Environmentalist guided by Traditionalist knowledge and ethics.
Franco
2003-11-16 22:59 | User Profile
Welcome, Craig. Although, labeling yourself as an "environmentalist" will get you into trouble with some of the people here.
I am also somewhat of an environmentalist, but NOT of the Greenpeace stripe. I'm more of the "plant more trees" type.
Franco
2003-11-18 01:23 | User Profile
Anyone with a screen-name like "Sexualist".... :ohmy:
il ragno
2003-11-18 04:34 | User Profile
I'm starting to wonder if maybe Franco is the wrong guy to hand out the fruit baskets and orientation literature in the Welcome thread.
Let these newcomers [I]post [/I] a few times [B]before [/B] you give em the brown-shirt white glove test, Frankie! Sheesh....
mwdallas
2003-11-18 05:17 | User Profile
Welcome, Olaf.
Craig Smith
2003-11-19 00:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Welcome, Craig. Although, labeling yourself as an "environmentalist" will get you into trouble with some of the people here.
I am also somewhat of an environmentalist, but NOT of the Greenpeace stripe. I'm more of the "plant more trees" type.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure people who don't realize environmentalism is a traditionalist position can be quickly informed. I'm no big fan of Greenpeace because of the "peace" aspect of their pacifistic and liberalized, egalitarian ideology. Green movements that tack civil rights issues on to their agenda aren't to be tolerated and, considering how phenomenally ineffective Greenpeace is, there's reason to believe such movements are for sale.
I'm an eco-fascist. Eugenics, population limits, and racial separation are all part of the environmental plan that's needed to limit and reverse human damages.
Jean West
2003-11-21 18:43 | User Profile
Can someone tell me how to insert an image? Copy and Paste doesn't work.
When I tried once before, I was asked for a link (don't remember how I got to that point); I had no idea where to find that.
Today I tried with a different item, and I see this [IMG] but don't know what to do next.
Thanks,
JW
Texas Dissident
2003-11-21 19:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jean West]Can someone tell me how to insert an image? Copy and Paste doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Hello Jean,
Simply place the image's URL in-between the IMG /IMG tags and that should do the trick.
Suomi Finland Perkele
2003-11-26 12:04 | User Profile
So I forgotted to post here when I was approved to this forum, let's correct that mistake:
I'm Finnish engineering student, age is 24, nonmarried. My views are nationalistic, anti-islamistic, technologist and environmentalist. I'm member of Finnish nationalistic society:Suomen Sisu ([url]www.suomensisu.fi[/url]), and local students reservist association.
Some people also say I'm racist, and yes my views about some humangroups could be descriped as racist, and I'm proud of that.
Franco
2003-11-27 05:00 | User Profile
Miller, huh? State your ethnic background, please. Miller gets
"Number of hits: 645" on JewishGen. Ouch! If I am wrong, my bad, disregard post.
[url]http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.htm[/url]
Craig Smith
2003-11-30 17:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Let these newcomers [I]post [/I] a few times [B]before [/B] you give em the brown-shirt white glove test, Frankie! Sheesh....[/QUOTE]
Better than the brown glove test!
Franco
2003-11-30 23:24 | User Profile
Well, oookkkaaayyyy....I'll give 'em a chance...but ya gotta admit that Uncle Franco has a neat-o way of greetin' the new folk...
:holiday:
Smedley Butler
2003-12-07 20:51 | User Profile
I was reading the profile of a new member who calls it's self Eurotrash, and it's occupation as Trouble Maker... If your a troll or a nut case just leave now. I don't like your title and if I had the power would ban you now..
Franco
2003-12-07 21:19 | User Profile
yep....ditto...
LetsGoViking!
2003-12-08 21:28 | User Profile
Hi Everyone,
Thank you for the welcome,Texas....
I'm going to read a bit,before I post much.I do see a few familiar faces:IchKampfe,Golfball and others...so that's a good sign.
I'm a (semi)college educated,Pro-White,who now suffers the indignity of working an unpleasant job for a few bucks an hour,and concentrate mainly on personal survival lately.However,sites like this give me a lot of hope and inspiration,and I hope to make my own contributions.
So,see you in the threads....
playful
2003-12-13 07:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Craig Smith]An interesting collection of viewpoints.
By way of introduction, my own can be found here:
[url]http://www.nazi.org/current/columns/smith/[/url]
I would describe myself as an Environmentalist guided by Traditionalist knowledge and ethics.[/QUOTE]
Great Intro. Liked the article. :thumbsup:
Net Prophet
2003-12-14 22:20 | User Profile
Ok folks - thought I'd come by and give this forum a try.
No heavy thoughts for the moment; but stay tuned - I usually give unpopular prophetic zings so hold on to your hats. (Just hope I remember to come back!)
:ohmy:
Die Zeit
2003-12-15 20:08 | User Profile
I'm of British origin and live in Switzerland some 25 years now. Used to consider myself a conservative but maybe not in the US NeoCon sense which I know little about. Nowadays I consider myself more to be nationalist, a term which Americans don't seem to use. Look forward to looking through the site and maybe joining in on one or two discussions.
Grüsse aus der Schweiz DZ
White Knight
2003-12-22 09:22 | User Profile
Hey guys. This is my first post here. Many of you will know me from my posts on various other boards, including my own, Knight's Realm. Dunno how much I can post, but I'll try my best.
Demigorgona
2004-01-02 20:52 | User Profile
Hi, this isn't my first post ... but i didn't feel like saying hi before. So here it is and blah blah ... I post everywhere I am allowed to hehe. You might call it an addiction.
Dagmar
2004-01-07 16:21 | User Profile
Hi...What a neat forum.
I considered myself paleo-conservative libertarian american...but with the current administration, i am seriously considering leaving the country for the first time in my life..(scary stuff) I am a mathematician/physicist female. Was very much into preservation of the now defunct Constitution and Bill of Rights..
This is not my first post either.
Jim
2004-01-09 15:57 | User Profile
Interesting forum with some food for thought.
I will probably lurk and learn here mostly.
mwdallas
2004-01-10 15:57 | User Profile
A warm welcome to all the newcomers....
Jump right in!
Kevin_O'Keeffe
2004-01-11 04:46 | User Profile
Greetings, all.
My my, this does seem to be an interesting forum. Ordinarily, you have to really fight tooth & nail to get people to stop blaming everything on the neo-"conservatives," Zionists, Communists, liberals, etc. (all of whom I loathe as well), but here people seem to have assimilated the rather obvious fact that its (organized) World Jewry that is the cause of so many human ills, at least here in the West. That is highly refreshing.
Like so many 18 years old, I was a liberal Democrat in 1988. By 1993, I'd become a full-blown paleo-conservative. In September of 1996, I decided paleo-conservatism, as much as I still read and respect many/all of its major proponents, simply wasn't going to be sufficient to save my nation or my race. So, I became what I like to call a pan-Aryan national socialist and joined the National Alliance ([url]http://www.natall.com[/url]), where I remain an active member in good standing. I've had a few articles published on their National Vanguard website that began running last summer ([url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org[/url]).
Here is an interesting story about me: In 1999, I began to have a series of articles published in The Nationalist Times, the official publication of the American Nationalist Union ([url]http://www.anu.org[/url]), which is a group affiliated with the now-defunct Populist Party, which nominated David Duke for President in 1988. A couple of those articles can still be found in the on-line archives, including my very first one from April of 1999, which was (I am proud to be able to say) a piece in strident opposition to the Kosovo War.
A few months later, I met a woman who was very unusual. She was EXTREMELY attractive (much more physically attractive than the sort of woman I usually date - a real stellar beauty) and she seemed to just adore me from the first minute we met. She also seemed to be something of a, well, nymphomaniac. Not to get too detailed, this beautiful lady would do anything I told her to do (or to permit me to do to her), pretty much anytime I liked. Not surprising, as a man in his 20s who was always rather shy with girls and such, I was in Heaven and she had me wrapped around her finger without my even noticing it.
Then she began complaining about this terrible, awful fellow she worked with. At first, he was just this wacky liberal screwball guy - a type not uncommon here in the Bay Area. But then she said how he'd converted to Judaism(!) and was sexually harassing her and making her life miserable - all of which was pretty certain to make me hate him. Then she claimed he'd left his job at the high school she supposedly taught at (it turns out she'd stopped teaching there herself several months previously and thus could not readily explain her source of income, as I was to find out later) and began teaching at a nearby Jewish Community Center. Then she claimed he'd come back to her work to taunt and further sexually harass her (it simply never occurred to me to doubt anything she said; I was in her utter thrall) and that when she refused his demand that she contribute money to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, he spat in her face. This was the last straw for me. I demanded to know where he lived. She wouldn't tell me. But she'd already told me he worked at the JCC. So, I called the JCC and I left what can only be described a very threatening sort of anti-Semitic message on their telephone answering machine. A few days later, as I was arriving at work, I got the cuffs snapped around my wrists (surprise, surprise).
To make a long story short(er), the person I threatened never existed, according to the police, but since my remarks were such that they could be "construed" as a threat to whatever Jewish person may have played the message at the JCC office, I was charged with violating section 422 of the California Penal Code, i.e. making a "terrorist threat." I was further charged with the "hate crime" enhancement (I'm not whining here; I was rather stupid in the whole affair). I refused to accept the one-year plea bargain I was offered, fought it all the way in court, lost, and got the same sentence anway, along with 5 years felony probation. A few months after being released, if that, my home was visited by two pretty young girls. They claimed to be "art students" from Israel. I'm guessing enough of you are familiar with the work of Justin Raimondo at Antiwar.com to know that at this time, there was a rash of "Israel art students" visiting the homes of government officials, military bases, etc. (and, apparently, the homes of anti-Jewish activists). In any event, the moral of my story is that the enemy is out there and covertly active. I don't know if it was Mossad that set me up, or the ADL or whomever, but its pretty obvious that they are really doing things to people they don't like, as I foolishly let myself become vulnerable to their depredations. Don't make the same sort of mistakes I made.
Ragnar
2004-01-11 05:31 | User Profile
Welcome to all, and I can only add "wow!" to what Kevin wrote. I've heard of covert operations but that's one for the books. At least there are some things us over-the-hill-and-marrieds don't have to worry about.
And yeah, when I hear "art student" I reach for my revolver.
Smedley Butler
2004-01-11 05:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ragnar]Welcome to all, and I can only add "wow!" to what Kevin wrote. I've heard of covert operations but that's one for the books. At least there are some things us over-the-hill-and-marrieds don't have to worry about.
And yeah, when I hear "art student" I reach for my revolver.[/QUOTE] Very Funny, I mean, when you hear "art student", a shame that NPR/PBS/TV/TalkRadio, Jim Jone's Cultist's won't get it.. Ha, there I go again. I think there are many other storie's most do not want to tell.
Ponce
2004-01-17 17:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Greetings, all. My my, this does seem to be an interesting forum.[/QUOTE]
Well amigo, I have a sign infront of my house that says "NO USrael" and it shows the American flag with the star of David instead of the stars. Many Jews allready have told me that they would get even with me and that I would get hurt,,,,,,, I am waiting, come to papa,,,,, I am not a poorless defenceless Palestinian eight year old kid. Oh yeah, the star of David also has a knife going into it. Just about everyone are talking about the Jews (Zionists) but no one is doing anything about it, I do what I can in my own way...... time for you to do the same,,,,,,,,, Ponce
Kevin_O'Keeffe
2004-01-17 20:25 | User Profile
"I do what I can in my own way...... time for you to do the same"
I think the anti-Jew articles I've published in The Nationalist Times and at the National Vanguard website (with more to come), my membership in the National Alliance since 1996 (and my hand distribution of nearly one thousand National Alliance leaflets in the cities of San Jose, Campbell and Los Gatos, California, as well as my participation in several anti-war demonstrations and the distribution of several hundred anti-war leaflets on the campus of San Jose State University, not to mention the fact that I post all my articles (as well as my postings here) under my real name, rather than a handle, stack up pretty well against your yard sign. I'm a little unclear why you felt the need to suggest otherwise....
friedrich braun
2004-01-21 17:44 | User Profile
That's one of the oddest stories that I've ever read, Kevin.
The girl sounds more like an unbalanced, delusional histrionic than an Mossad agent. With all that's going on in the world and the Middle East why would Israelis waste their time and resources with such elaborate entrapment schemes against inconsequential folks who distribute some flyers and write articles in obsure publications (no offence intended). They sure have bigger fish to fry.
Anyway, let's say that it was a Mossad job, what has Mossad achieved? Not much.
Have you confronted her with what happened to you?
Kevin_O'Keeffe
2004-01-22 04:14 | User Profile
"Anyway, let's say that it was a Mossad job, what has Mossad achieved? Not much."
Well, if you haven't already read Victor Ostrovsky's books, you'll see how the Mossad has very few agents but a lot of ordinary Jews who just sort of conduct operations on its behalf. This is a very affluent area and I'm sure that sometimes pro-Mossad Jews do things on their own. There's also the ADL and its own uncontrolled types. As well as myriad Zionist groups of various stripes. San Francisco, where the police raided the ADL offices and confiscated hundreds of stolen, confidential police intelligence files on, among others, people like myself, is only an hour's drive (the same sort of raid occurred simulaneously at ADL offices in Los Angeles, as I'm sure most here will recall). I doubt some Jewish spy in Jerusalem planned this little operation, but that doesn't mean similarly minded local Jews didn't do something. The one fact that keeps me thinking there was a conspiracy, rather than just a screwy broad, is the fact that she always had LOTS of money but didn't have any income or explainable source for it (and, in fact, was lying to me about how she had a job when she was unemployed). Then there's the fact that a local Jewish businessman DID give her a rather lucrative job while I was in jail. AND the rather odd fact that my debit card became defective almost to the day I met her, i.e. I could make purchases with it and the money would be back in my account the very next day. I'm not sure why such a thing would happen, but perhaps they were hoping I'd stockpile some weapons before my arrest. The judge in my case made it very clear to my attorney, whom he'd known for many years and was thus pretty frank with, that the only reason I didn't go to prison for at least four years was because I didn't own any guns and thus my "threats" were presumably not that seriously intended. It should further be noted that the Bay Area doesn't exactly have a lot of publicly avowed WN activists. Hell, I can only think of one other (and that person was living on the East Coast at the time). If some Bay Area Jews wanted to mess with a "nazi," there choices might well have been rather limited. I don't have any real proof I was framed, so to speak, but there are a lot of weird details to this story and probably some more I'm still not quite recalling. Was it all a pathological lying bitch and a series of weird coincidences? Perhaps....but its not my first guess.
"Have you confronted her with what happened to you?"
She refuses to discuss it. I can no longer contact her, as her (Jewish) landlord, almost immediately upon my release, built a security fence around her apartment complex, and there's no listing for her unit at the callbox, her email address is disabled and her phone number has been disconnected and there's no listing for her anywhere....
Hugh Lincoln
2004-01-28 21:19 | User Profile
I'm a little skeptical of Kevin O'Keefe's story up there.
Salvador
2004-01-28 23:17 | User Profile
Hello,
I couldn't post a new thread in the welcome forum so I am posting here.
Some of you might recognise me from Stormfront. Other might be familiar with my screen name 'Poncho' at VNN and Protest Warriors.
Well it's the same man.
Now I am trying OD out. Hope I can add to the fun.
Folks on those other forums know me to be a Mediterranean elitist of sorts.
Keep that in mind. :thumbsup:
Valley Forge
2004-01-28 23:42 | User Profile
Welcome to the forum. Thankfully, no one here cares about that Nordic/Med bullsh*t, as far as I can tell. We Whites are divided enough as it is; we shouldn't make matters worse by dwelling on something as unimportant as White sub-ethnicity.
Kevin_O'Keeffe
2004-01-29 00:04 | User Profile
"I'm a little skeptical of Kevin O'Keefe's story up there."
I can't really blame you; I probably would be too. Only I know whether or not I'm telling the truth. Make of the story what you will; it did happen. Oh, and its O'KeeFFe. Those one-Fers are hopeless degenerates!
Colonel Rebel
2004-01-29 19:42 | User Profile
i got a link to this site from protestwarrior.com. great site by the way. I'm trying to post a thread on neo-con watch, but i'm not allowed to. I'm curious to why that is.
thanks in advance!
the colonel.... :pimp:
Sertorius
2004-01-29 19:48 | User Profile
You'll be able to do that once you make a certain number of posts. This helps to keep the troll activity down. However, if you really think that your post belongs there then go ahead and post it in one of the other folders that most closely match it. If it should be in Neo-con Watch either I'll move it or one of the other moderators.
BTW, welcome to the board.
thoreaupoe
2004-01-29 21:32 | User Profile
Hey, I just heard about this site from the ProtestWarrior.com net forum, seems like a great idea for a forum.
But I have one question, are you guys all "White Nationalists" or is this just a recent swamping of them onto your otherwise PALEO-CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN board?
Valley Forge
2004-01-29 22:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=thoreaupoe].But I have one question, are you guys all "White Nationalists" or is this just a recent swamping of them onto your otherwise PALEO-CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN board?[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Original Dissent. Here you will find a diversity of rightwing viewpoints. There are many traditionalist and paleoconservative voices here (including our host and his moderators), but you will also find White Nationalist and National Socialist perspectives represented as well. If people who are openly pro-White make you uncomfortable, this may not be the board for you in all honesty. (I write that because you put White Nationalist in quotation marks, as if to suggest there is something wrong with the idea).
madrussian
2004-01-29 23:26 | User Profile
A very popular activity for various "libertarian" trolls at Liberty Forum has been arguing that there is no such thing as the whites.
Kevin_O'Keeffe
2004-01-30 02:01 | User Profile
"A very popular activity for various "libertarian" trolls at Liberty Forum has been arguing that there is no such thing as the whites."
That's definitely one meme that seems to overlap very heavily with the leftists, the neo-"conservatives" and the libertarians; race is all a "social construct." It reminds me of some fat, stupid welfare mammy on the O.J. Simpson jury denouncing DNA evidence as a lot of White man's hocus-pocus....
thoreaupoe
2004-01-30 16:26 | User Profile
I don't mean to be a thread-jacker, I just wanted to clarify myself.
While I do believe that race/ethnicity is real (read: The Bell Curve), I personally don't ascribe to "White Nationalism"; way too Collectivist for my tastes. But if you are one and mean no physical harm to other individuals, then hey go nuts, I'll still be happy to participate in commerce with you. :)
Texas Dissident
2004-01-30 18:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=thoreaupoe]While I do believe that race/ethnicity is real (read: The Bell Curve), I personally don't ascribe to "White Nationalism"; way too Collectivist for my tastes.
Interesting reply, thoreau. I'd be interested in how exactly you define 'white nationalism' and how that relates to collectivism.
But if you are one and mean no physical harm to other individuals, then hey go nuts, I'll still be happy to participate in commerce with you. :)[/QUOTE]
You seem to be working under an assumption that 'white nationalism' itself somehow implies physical harm to other individuals. This is the welcome forum, so it's not really the place to have a ideological discussion, but please jump in on some threads dealing with this topic and mix it up. You may be surprised at some replies from our members here on this subject, some of whom ascribe to white nationalism because of their belief that that works for the least amount of physical harm between individuals.
madrussian
2004-01-30 19:13 | User Profile
Libertarians certainly do a number on critical abilities of some. When I hear someone operating with such ludicrous terms as "collectivist", "statist", that's a clear sign someone needs being deprogrammed.
thoreaupoe
2004-01-30 19:42 | User Profile
[quote="madrussian"]Libertarians certainly do a number on critical abilities of some. When I hear someone operating with such ludicrous terms as "collectivist", "statist", that's a clear sign someone needs being deprogrammed.
Riiigghhhtt...I am beginning to sense this site isn't what I thought it would be about, but to make things a little clearer on kind of 'conservatism' this site actually believes in (if any) I posted this thread. [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?p=71659#post71659[/url]
SchwarzeSonne
2004-02-13 07:09 | User Profile
Hi guys. I am here at the recommendation of a member. But, the big thing I see here which I really like is your IDENTIFICATION of the enemy, the Neo-Cons. I believe we should say "Neo-Con" over and over to anyone who will listen, then define it, and thus make the word Neo-Con what we made the word "Liberal". This cancer must be recognized, identified, and cut out (no holistic methods).
WesleyWes
2004-02-24 22:32 | User Profile
:pimp: Hello all, I was surfing the Net when i came on your white-girl heads. Is this A fascist thang? Whats goin on here?
Walter Yannis
2004-02-25 13:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=WesleyWes]:pimp: Hello all, I was surfing the Net when i came on your white-girl heads. Is this A fascist thang? Whats goin on here?[/QUOTE]
Nobody seems to know.
Stick around though and you may find out.
Walter
Bruce
2004-02-29 03:18 | User Profile
Greetings friends.
I thought I would greet you all.
I wandered here from the link at Stormfront as well.
I feel that one cannot have too many conservative boards.
I shall try my best to keep the white sheets and SA uniforms tucked away in the closet and look foward to some intelligent discussion on American Conservatism. :thumbsup:
Franco
2004-03-01 05:53 | User Profile
Bruce --
Hey, there are many here who wear sheets or SA uniforms. But hey -- we are so darn lovable and tolerant that that fact takes a back seat....
Moslimhater
2004-03-02 18:54 | User Profile
Hello,
I came here from the link on Stormfront. My English is very bad, but I'll try to write it so good as possible.
Moslimhater.
Marlowe
2004-03-02 19:52 | User Profile
I'm feelin' just a little bit skeptical, "moslimhater". There's something about your name and the obligatory Hitler quotation...it smells funny to me. I'll apologize someday if I'm wrong.
Really, though...what's with that name?
MontaniSemperLiberi
2004-03-02 20:35 | User Profile
Hello, everyone! I'm new here, and I'm looking forward to some good dialogue.
Drakmal
2004-03-03 03:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Marlowe]I'm feelin' just a little bit skeptical, "moslimhater". There's something about your name and the obligatory Hitler quotation...it smells funny to me. I'll apologize someday if I'm wrong.
Really, though...what's with that name?[/QUOTE]
[quote=Moslimhater]I came here from the link on Stormfront.
(Not to be mean to the good people of Stormfront or anything.)
Franco
2004-03-03 03:14 | User Profile
Why focus on Moslims/Muslims or similar? The Jew is the key.
Moslimhater
2004-03-03 12:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Marlowe]I'm feelin' just a little bit skeptical, "moslimhater". There's something about your name and the obligatory Hitler quotation...it smells funny to me. I'll apologize someday if I'm wrong.
Really, though...what's with that name?[/QUOTE]
I can understand you sarcasm about my name, I've chosen this name because I have got this name on many other forums, so other people can recognise me on this name. Ofcourse I know that the jew is the worst human, but the muslims are a big problem in the Netherlands, so I toke this name. I hope that I have give enough information about my name.
Moslimhater.
Marlowe
2004-03-03 16:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moslimhater] Muslims are a big problem in the Netherlands, so I toke this name. I hope that I have give enough information about my name.
Moslimhater.[/QUOTE]
I thought that might be another explanation, as I've heard that the situation in the Netherlands has gotten very bad. No hard feelings?
The Pim Fortuyn assassination was an eye-opening experience for this American.
I suggest to you that the Muslim presence is a symptom rather than a problem. The problem may be that the Dutch taxpayer provides for them. More likely, the problem is the people who crafted Dutch immigration policy. Does anyone care to guess?
Regarding Muslims: I recently saw a news program about Palestinians, which showed their living conditions...it was incidental to the story. I began to wonder about their crime rates, whether they were robbing, raping, and killing one another in their ghetto behind the concrete and razor wire wall. Perhaps they're just people with families, struggling under brutal repression, with none of the basic comforts...clean water, cooking oil, space...which make life tolerable. Imagine these pitiable people taking on the world's premier financial and military power. I don't hate them.
If (when) Euro-Americans are faced with similar circumstances, I wonder if they'll show such fortitude.
The Netherlands, like the U.S., can be saved by reversing the trend of multi-ethnic nations. It need not be accompanied by hatred.
Kosmos Luftwaffe
2004-03-04 21:35 | User Profile
The Muslim invasion is something that can be felt in Scandinavia. Yes, the native population is so week after centuries under the influence of rotten nutrients, alcohol and Christian culture that the Muslim newcommers are easily able to waltz in, bully, and control sector after sector of the society, at an alarming speed. Its a nightmare, the dark armies are coming in so fast, poisening the poor native Aryans in all ways.
So, the thing that might be positive here, from a bright perspective, is that this new muslim powerbase might in turn, lead to an escalating confrontation with an other force of genuine evil, the Jews.
And one might hope that the ZOG guys who rule the land exhausts themselves in ridding the muslims, leaving the way open for the forces of good to march in and claim their rightful place at the head of the table. This is Norway, but it somehow all has a broader ring to it..
Panzer
2004-03-06 04:58 | User Profile
the thread title says welcome so what the hell. Hi everyone, glad to be here and share thoughts and ideas with everyone. See everyone around the forums
Southron
2004-03-13 04:32 | User Profile
Would just like to say racial greetings to everyone on this great forum. I am glad that I found this forum and look forward to being as active as I can in the future.
Southron
wild_bill
2004-03-13 16:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=thoreaupoe]Riiigghhhtt...I am beginning to sense this site isn't what I thought it would be about, but to make things a little clearer on kind of 'conservatism' this site actually believes in (if any) I posted this thread. [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?p=71659#post71659[/url][/QUOTE]
Do you believe that America was a better place in 1900 or 2004?
Do you think America will be a better place when whites become a minority?
Do you believe America was better as a white Christian society or the multiracial polyglot that we are becoming?
Walter Yannis
2004-03-14 09:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Southron]Would just like to say racial greetings to everyone on this great forum. I am glad that I found this forum and look forward to being as active as I can in the future.
Southron[/QUOTE]
Welcome, Southron.
The more the merrier.
Walter
A Fat Republican
2004-03-19 01:00 | User Profile
But why was it a better day? Was it simply a better time and place due to our Euro-American race, or was not morality and Religon the primary life and source of our healthy culture and society? A Fat Republican. [QUOTE=wild_bill]Do you believe that America was a better place in 1900 or 2004?
Do you think America will be a better place when whites become a minority?
Do you believe America was better as a white Christian society or the multiracial polyglot that we are becoming?[/QUOTE]
Faust
2004-03-23 09:00 | User Profile
A Fat Republican,
[QUOTE]But why was it a better day? Was it simply a better time and place due to our Euro-American race, or was not morality and Religon the primary life and source of our healthy culture and society?[/QUOTE]
[B]Both![/B]
okami
2004-03-23 09:12 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial Narrow]Hopefully I'll have time to post now and then. I don't have a personal computer of my own, so I have to access the Net at work or one of the local libraries. This often cuts down on available time, as well as taking care of a kitten & some cats.
If I don't immediately reply to someone's query, it'll either be because of interruptions (quite a frequent thing for me) or researching something.[/FONT]
Walter Yannis
2004-03-25 11:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=okami][FONT=Arial Narrow]Hopefully I'll have time to post now and then. I don't have a personal computer of my own, so I have to access the Net at work or one of the local libraries. This often cuts down on available time, as well as taking care of a kitten & some cats.
If I don't immediately reply to someone's query, it'll either be because of interruptions (quite a frequent thing for me) or researching something.[/FONT][/QUOTE]
Welcome!
JoseyWales
2004-03-27 03:06 | User Profile
great board here, from initial apperances. been lurking for a while. ill try to bring more members here as well. this is probably the only board i know of for paleocons. neocons are like weeds, they wont go away and are only outnumbered by the liberal socialist traitors that have taken over the democrat party.
xmetalhead
2004-03-27 04:09 | User Profile
Welcome Josey Wales. The neocons need to be defeated. The US is a hijacked ship today and headed for an iceberg and OD is the only radar to prevent that catastrophe. Peace.
TexasAnarch
2004-03-27 12:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]"... are only outnumbered by the liberal socialist traitors that have taken over the democrat party.[/QUOTE]
yes, welcome, but please note.
"Liberal" is what America stands for, and is, as a nation on earth, from its beginning until now. It stands for the idea that, first, children; then (with the exception of those who have been raised under a smash-'em-in-the-face-when-they-yell home regime) adults, will do the right thing for themselves, and, each one doing that, will democratically do what is best for the whole ... if let alone, respected as individuals, without getting together into groups to defend special interests, like daddy's capital and ENRON jewdaized leeches. Which they will invariably do under freedom, therefore must be opposed constitutionally rather than getting together on the other side and opposed by similar groups with other daddy's special interests. The term "liberalism" was ruined by the handlers of The Fool, Ronald Reagan, when it was folded into the political wars against "conservatism" -- or vice versa. "Conservatism" being another term with honorable settings until so-appropriated to oppose "liberalism" in little Ronnie and the boy's pre-school potty-head clientelle. Hey! it works in 'Wood. The only way Republicans ever got elected to anything. (that, plus sniper campaigns to shoot their way into the White House -- works every time for the pro-wrestle crowd)
Similarly, anti-socialism, in general terms of privitazation of facilities ("you pay to pee here, son, or it's cut off time in West Texas prison camps") is flatly ideologocal, un-American (Abortion For McCarthy - retroactive), opportunistic, nor needed in order to expose the Jewish thinking and influence of Bolshevism. You don't have to be hotskie for Trotsky to support cooperation among groups still clinging to non-white ethnic identity, you just have to: (a) keep it out of politics of everyman's system (whites win by default here -- by superiority of message, with its undeniable color-basis, in history); (b) it is kept under the banner of "no 2 flag loyalties", that is, American Nationalism. American National Socialism is, I suppose, the political direction that True Christ based Americanism would point.
I also do not talk of the language of those in the Democrat party anymore. The last real president the country had was Roosevelt, whatever you make of him. Before him, words all meant one thing; after Reagan, they all meant another (third) thing. During the late 30's - to 60's, they got to mean what we, the people, meant by them in relatively honest, non-maniupulated discourse. Then came the Jews, saving Israel.
But I am cromagnon liberal, differently viewed by most, barely tolerated by several, here. It is the only place I found, too, where sense can be counted on to get talked on a regular basis by people of such variety, crispness, articulation, intellect, historical grounding, not to say wisdom, so bring in whoever you can, then go out and get some more.
Traitors there are in our midst, I admit -- insist -- but the purification can't be along party lines IMHO. Richard Clarke has just done it, for instance. He is one of the "enemy", a self-hating American who would be required to shoot himself like Kurt Cobain did, if God existed and judged human beings.
Quantrill
2004-04-16 15:20 | User Profile
Greetings, everyone. I have been hanging around this board for awhile, but I only recently decided to de-lurk. I look forward to some good discussions.
Blond Knight
2004-04-17 01:54 | User Profile
Quantrill;
Welcome aboard. We need all the help we can get if we are going to survive the shipwreck of the American Empire.
Quantrill
2004-04-17 12:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Quantrill;
Welcome aboard. We need all the help we can get if we are going to survive the shipwreck of the American Empire.[/QUOTE] Shipwreck is a good way to describe it. And brother, she's taking on water fast!
Smedley Butler
2004-04-18 00:05 | User Profile
To all at O.D. I just Read that Mr. Jim Giles for congress, joined O.D. and his first post was deleted. If this is true, why? Thank you...
Texas Dissident
2004-04-18 07:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Smedley Butler]To all at O.D. I just Read that Mr. Jim Giles for congress, joined O.D. and his first post was deleted. If this is true, why? Thank you...[/QUOTE]
Go to the following:
[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showpost.php?p=78384&postcount=2[/url]
I appreciate and applaud the behind the scenes work you are doing, Smedley. Blessed are the peacemakers.
Smedley Butler
2004-04-18 08:00 | User Profile
Sir, that was, I feel a heart felt and a very pondered reply. I would hope that Jim would reconsider O.D. As Tex, and the moderaters who operate O.D. I feel have always been concerned and rational patriots, here at O.D. and I have read many thoughtful points of views here. The men at O.D. are fully aware our the Trojan Horse invasion, and the real threats to white political dispossession as well as racial. I say there are many caring concered white patriots at O.D. who want help others and have done so and will continue to do so. It is a shame the there are not 50 white patriot's running across the country for congress. This falls election is going to be the most important one ever as perhaps 1860, and will be the last chance for U.S.perhaps. As I am a supporter of Mr. Giles, and respect him,and see him as a brave, honest, white patriot. I would hope this incident is forgotten and we all across this "Nation" bind our selves as one and not burn our bridges with other good men.. I was suprised when I heard what had happened about his post being deleted, but if Jim reads this, I still support him and I ask that he not leave O.D. and reconcile what ever the problem is, but that is his choice of course. Many volunteer's have heard the call at O.D. and went to [url]www.rebelarmy.com[/url] to offer support on the forum for Jim Giles for congress... Good night, and Gods breath to all the honest white patriots of today who are trying to sound the alarm to awaken all of U.S. as in EZK. 33:6 Smedley
GrayBeard
2004-04-30 09:35 | User Profile
Hello everyone! Great to be back on board again and finally have an opportunity to properly introduce myself. I first joined OD last October and was able to post one of my atomic rants before I lost my password.
[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showpost.php?p=60927&postcount=3[/url]
To make matters worse, right about that time I changed ISPs and hence email addresses, so couldn't recover my password, either. DOH! :wallbash:
Well, lucky for me, I found my password in a binder of old notes just as OD was coming back online. So now I'm back in with my email and profile updated.
Anyway, I'm yet another ex-libertarian, though I repudiated that foul ideology decades ago and get a strong urge to self-flagellation every time I think of it. :yucky: I keep watching the used bookstores to find a cheap copy of Ayn Rand's CAPITALISM: THE UNKNOWN IDEAL just to be able to give myself the pleasure of trampling, mutilating, and defiling it and then burning whatever's left and flushing it right down the commode where it belongs. :mad:
On the other hand, the one thinker from the Libertarian camp that I still have a tiny shred of respect left for is, ironically enough, the late Dr. Murray N. Rothbard, for the one reason that he had the sheer brass and audacity to present what capitalism ultimately is in its pure and naked essence, which Rand and the others held back from. The fact that I regard as a loathsome abomination the capitalism Dr. Rothbard regarded as his highest ideal is for me secondary to the fact that he showed capitalism for what it was in its pure ideological essence. Which isn't the same thing as what it turned out to be in practice, of course, any more than Stalin's Russia is what Marx and Engels intended. It is of the essence of ideologies to be divorced from reality, as Burke and all the great philosophers of conservatism have always taught us. And when an attempt is made to translate an ideology into a worldly regime, reality never fails to diverge from the ideal. This is just as true of free-market economics and the totalitarian mind-control plutocracy it fathered on the world as it is of any of the utopian ideologies of the left. :smoke:
So, anyway, back to me. These days I consider myself a traditional conservative in general philosophy of life. In economics, I believe the establishment of a just and harmonious balance between the interests, claims, and responsibilities of all social classes to be a primary task of sound statesmanship, which is of course sorely lacking in the modern world. I sympathize strongly with most of the socio-economic reforms of FDR's New Deal, although not always with their ideological framework. I am also very interested in learning more about the ideals of guild socialism and the corporative state, and above all Oswald Spengler's ideal of "ethical socialism". F.P. Yockey wrote in IMPERIUM that as soon as you admit the idea that social classes have obligations to one another, you are in the socialist world-outlook. Sounds good to me. Of course, those few of my former comrades in the Republican "right" who know of my current views are wont to denounce me as a "class-warrior" simply because I'd be happy to see the working class fight back for a change in the plutocratic class war that's been waged against them ever since the Reagan years. :gunsmilie:
I was a conservative years before the neocons took over, and I despise what they turned the movement into, which I guess qualifies me as a paleocon. I'm opposed to the current military adventures in the mideast and in favor of restrictions on immigration and aggressive government action to protect American jobs and the standard of living of the American worker by any means necessary. By most paleocon standards I'd probably be considered "soft" on racial, ethnic, demographic, and kulturkampf issues, but I'm open to looking at things from different perspectives.
Looks like maybe I need to wrap this post up before I run out of room! Once again, it's great to be back! :cheers:
Quantrill
2004-04-30 16:41 | User Profile
Welcome (back) aboard, Greybeard. I am fairly new here myself, but I've been enjoying my time so far. I think I understand where you're coming from in both your conservatism and your distrust of capitalism. As a Southerner, I am naturally both more conservative and more populist than most people. Might I suggest some investigation into Distributism and/or the Southern Agrarians? These movements rejected both Socialism and Capitalism and came up with some truly humane and civilized ideas.
GrayBeard
2004-05-01 10:05 | User Profile
Thank you, Quantrill! It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance! Thank you also for reminding me of the Distributists and Southern Agrarians as conservative philosophical alternatives to finance capitalism. I'll definitely have to look into them further. :thumbsup:
If I remember right, Distributism is particularly associated with the writings of G.K. Chesterton and Hillaire Belloc, but I'm not sure what would be the best place to start in the body of their work. Also, side question: I've seen mention in several books and articles of an A.K. Chesterton who was active in the British Right in the last century. Any relation to G.K. that you know of?
On the Southern Agrarian side, I remember seeing advertisements for a collection of essays titled "Who Owns America?" which was at one time available from ISI. Title certainly sounds promising. I must admit I was surprised to see a title like that in the ISI catalogue! Any suggestions for a good place to start here as well?
The entire Southern tradition is conveniently ignored both by neocons and National Review and Bush Republicans (as well as earlier theorists like Clinton Rossiter) when they basically insist that to be properly "American", conservatism must commit to being what Peter Viereck wittily called the "lapdogs of Big Business".
Viereck himself favored restraints on the market economy in the interest of humane and civilized values, only to be excommunicated from the movement by Frank Meyer and the National Review gang for being at once "too European" and also suspect of being a closet liberal simply because he refused to follow the party line of unqualified support of McCarthyism and total rejection of the New Deal social reforms.
Traditional Southern Conservatism, on the other hand, is at least as indiginously "American" as plutocratic and Jacobinical capitalism. So the only way they can deal with that is either, (a) single-issue anathema and condemnation based on the slavery issue to put the whole tradition beyond the pale of permissible discussion (Harry Jaffa and the Straussians are big on this one), or (b) cooptation and neutralization into the contemporary "conservative consensus" by validating the insistence on "traditional values" while conveniently ignoring the ideas on economics. This is what I saw generally go on in my early days in "the movement".
Spengler and Yockey aside, I must admit that the whole Capitalism/Socialism verbal dichotomy limits the entire question to being unduly one-dimensional. For one thing, how do you define the terms? For Marxists and hardcore left-revolutionaries, any system that involves private ownership of the means of production constitutes capitalism, to include the kind of mixed economy I favor. So from their point of view I'd be classified as a defender of capitalism. For Libertarians and modern-day republicans, capitalism means an unregulated market economy with little or no government intervention or regulation, and anything else is socialism or collectivism. So by their definition I'm a socialist. There are, of course, many, many other issues and angles on economic and social policy that don't fit into this continuum.
Quantrill
2004-05-01 12:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=GrayBeard] If I remember right, Distributism is particularly associated with the writings of G.K. Chesterton and Hillaire Belloc, but I'm not sure what would be the best place to start in the body of their work. Also, side question: I've seen mention in several books and articles of an A.K. Chesterton who was active in the British Right in the last century. Any relation to G.K. that you know of?
Yes, you are are exactly right. G. K. Chesterton were Distributism's best known promoters. If I remember correctly, A. K. was G. K.'s brother. As for where to start with Distributism, I would actually suggest a little reading at [url="http://www.distributism.com"]http://www.distributism.com[/url]. Chesterton, while fantastic, likes to argue by disgression and analogy, instead of by a clear, concise statement of principles. This is fine, but it means that both Chesterton's "The Outline of Sanity" and "Utopia of Usurers" are easier to digest if you have a little understanding of Distributism's basic ideas first.
[QUOTE=GrayBeard] On the Southern Agrarian side, I remember seeing advertisements for a collection of essays titled "Who Owns America?" which was at one time available from ISI. Title certainly sounds promising. I must admit I was surprised to see a title like that in the ISI catalogue! Any suggestions for a good place to start here as well?
I haven't read "Who Owns America?", but by all accounts it is excellent. It is actually a sequal to an original collection of essays entitled "I'll Take My Stand" by Twelve Southerners. The Twelve Southerners included Robert Penn Warren and Alan Tate. Both of these books are hard to find in print, so you probably cant be picky about which edition you select, which is a shame. My edition of "I'll Take My Stand" has a huge introduction and afterword explaining why these ideas should not be taken seriously, it was the Depression so people can be forgiven for momentarily doubting Holy Capitalism, the Twelve Southerners could very well be racists anyway, etc, etc. If I could rip it out without defacing the book, I would. My copy of "Outline of Sanity" suffers from the same problem. It has a particularly tortured essay in which the author claims to show that our modern economic system is EXACTLY what Chesterton meant by Distributism. His proof? Some people open their own businesses. Pretty pathetic. I would suggest purchasing whatever you can from a small Catholic publishing house call IHS Press. ([url="http://www.ihspress.com"]http://www.ihspress.com[/url]) Their mission is to publish books defending the Social Teaching of the Catholic Church, so they have a wonderful selection of Belloc and Chesterton titles. Plus, they have introductions and afterwords that support and explain the contents of the book, instead of trying to explain the ideas away.
[QUOTE=GrayBeard]The entire Southern tradition is conveniently ignored both by neocons and National Review and Bush Republicans ...
Traditional Southern Conservatism, on the other hand, is at least as indiginously "American" as plutocratic and Jacobinical capitalism.
You said a mouthful, GreyBeard. I would go so far as to say that the entire Southern tradition is not ignored, so much as it is actively villified. It is always held up as the example of the "backwardness" beyond which the rest of the country has "progressed." I'm a loyal son of the South, so we will have a chance to go over this on many future threads, I'm sure.
Chesterton and Belloc both have tons of great stuff. It's hard to go wrong with either of them.
Commander8
2004-05-12 02:54 | User Profile
[font=Times New Roman]My name is Charles, aka Commander8, I just thought I'd test the waters at this site. Having fun here so far. For more info about me, check out my profile or give me an e-mail.[/font]
Quantrill
2004-05-12 13:10 | User Profile
A hearty welcome, Commander8! I hope you enjoy your stay. I am relatively new myself, and this is easily the best forum I have found in my web wanderings.
DeborahRC
2004-05-13 14:39 | User Profile
I was wondering if there was a way for me to view the board in proper chronological order? The way I am viewing it now is Page 1- Most recent posts, I would like to go to page one and read the original post at top followed by followups down and so on. Is there an option to change this at any place on the board?
Quantrill
2004-05-13 17:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=DeborahRC]I was wondering if there was a way for me to view the board in proper chronological order? The way I am viewing it now is Page 1- Most recent posts, I would like to go to page one and read the original post at top followed by followups down and so on. Is there an option to change this at any place on the board?[/QUOTE] Yes, if you click on User Cp on the toolbar at the top, and then click Edit Options on the left. If you scroll down the page, you have an option to change Thread Display.
Solid
2004-05-22 23:07 | User Profile
I usually skip intros and just start posting but I thought I'd make an exception. I found this site quite by accident. I type Vdare in the google search engine and a few items down was this forum. It caught my eye so I decided to check it out. I was delightfully surprised at what I found: Pro-american, pro-english, and concern over mass immigration. Finally a forum that isn't shackled by the letter R and neo-con thought and comprised of intelligent posts and informative links. I used to post at a forum called "Free Conservatives" or as I call it neo-con central. In their minds, Bush could do no wrong. Like his amnesty program he wants to get going. They say "it's brilliant", " you just can't see the genius of this man" and other knee jerk responses. It's insane. I once posted a thread concerning the future of the english language in the United States with a few responses which didn't take the threat seriously. American culture, language, and sovereignty mean little to them I guess. I live in the "City of the Fallen" aka San Francisco. Here the goverment pays for sex changes for city workers, foreigners plague it with their culture and presence, and the homeless crap on the sidewalks. I once went to a high school that was 90 % white 10 years prior to my attendance. When I arrived it was the opposite and worse. Four years after I left the school closed down. Multiculturalism at work. Tolerance for all races? Nope! Least of all whites. While all the races were butting heads with each other, the whites were the butt of all jokes. Being white and not trying to emulate the black didn't help. Hell to be honest I'm not 100 % percent white. But since I had the blue eyes, fair skin, and hair an ethnic surname didn't protect you. It was sad to see all the corruption going on, celebrations of everything non-american, twisted teaching of history to make the non-white feel better. Facts were a dirty thing.
Sorry for the inflated post but I just wanted to give a feel of who I am and what I'm about.
Valley Forge
2004-05-23 00:17 | User Profile
Let me be the first to say welcome to the forum.
Dive right in -- the water's fine.
Solid
2004-05-23 02:09 | User Profile
Thanks for the warm greetings. I have a feeling I'll like this place. At the very least I can vent my personal opinions which would be considered unPC at most places.
Franco
2004-05-23 06:41 | User Profile
But since I had the blue eyes, fair skin,
Sounds White to me. What is your background, if I may ask?
Solid
2004-05-23 16:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Sounds White to me. What is your background, if I may ask?
[/QUOTE]A racial mix of european and american indian. My nationality background consists of english(350 years of colonial american english lineage that I traced which I have much pride in) irish, german, polish, chowtaw, and mexican.
Pipedreamer
2004-06-02 19:55 | User Profile
from an assaultweb.net [size=2]expatriate. I've been reading here for a while, decided to join up and chip in. Appears like a new home for me here. Thanks.
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brite
2004-06-02 20:43 | User Profile
Hi! This is my first post.
Is anyone here also a member of Stormfront?
See you more in the future!
Valley Forge
2004-06-02 22:28 | User Profile
Hello. Welcome. I have a SF account. Don't post there much though.
[QUOTE=brite]Hi! This is my first post.
Is anyone here also a member of Stormfront?
See you more in the future![/QUOTE]
Valley Forge
2004-06-02 22:28 | User Profile
Welcome aboard.
[QUOTE=Pipedreamer]from an assaultweb.net [size=2]expatriate. I've been reading here for a while, decided to join up and chip in. Appears like a new home for me here. Thanks.
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All Old Right
2004-06-06 13:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pipedreamer]from an assaultweb.net [size=2]expatriate. I've been reading here for a while, decided to join up and chip in. Appears like a new home for me here. Thanks.
[/size][/QUOTE] AW took a sledge to the CSA forum?? The neocons love to use force when they have it. Welcome.
PolRy
2004-06-10 18:00 | User Profile
First post here...had a hard time finding a decent board that wasn't PC until finding OD.
Texas Tornado
2004-06-12 23:56 | User Profile
Hello everyone. I'm surprised at the great amount of thought-provoking material on this forum (on politics, race, philosophy,etc.). I'm a recent college graduate and I am glad to find a forum that doesn't cater to the neoconservatives (who worship Bush's every move). I hope that I stay for a while.
Quantrill
2004-06-14 16:58 | User Profile
Welcome aboard, Texas Tornado. Always good to see another Southron on the board.
dubhdara
2004-06-20 21:47 | User Profile
Hi,
I'm new to the forum. I'm from England. I run a few sites including [url="http://www.freedom-central.net"]http://www.freedom-central.net[/url]
I am a writer, researcher (unpaid!) and publisher - and a patriot!
I like political philosophy, history, mythology (ties in with a lot of politics! ;) ), writing (fiction and political articles); I like Lord of the Rings - well, there you go that sums me up ;)
Dubhdara
Deus Vult
2004-06-26 19:12 | User Profile
Greetings, all. I am an ex-Republican. Damn, it feels so good to say it!
Pipedreamer
2004-07-02 12:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]AW took a sledge to the CSA forum?? The neocons love to use force when they have it. Welcome.[/QUOTE]Yes sir, hammered it into the ground. I was a former moderator of that forum. Its still there though, if you want to talk about mint julips, chewing tobacco, scarlett and rhett, goober peas, etc... Someone posts there about once a week now.
Thanks
Thor
2004-07-10 03:57 | User Profile
Hello everyone! I've being reading this forum for quite a bit, found it quite educational. I'm from New Jersey, although , I'm planning on moving to midwest.
Thor
2004-07-13 23:20 | User Profile
Thanks for the welcome , net-nazi's nerd intelect.
Ponce
2004-07-25 04:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Tornado]Hello everyone. I'm surprised at the great amount of thought-provoking material on this forum (on politics, race, philosophy,etc.). I'm a recent college graduate and I am glad to find a forum that doesn't cater to the neoconservatives (who worship Bush's every move). I hope that I stay for a while.[/QUOTE]
If you guys like this forum then you should try this one, is a good one,,,,,
Goldismoney.com
Ponce
2004-08-15 21:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash]Hello! My name is Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash. I signed up here mainly for the section entitled "Neo-Con Watch". I hope to have a joyous time conversing with you all over this forum![/QUOTE]
Saalam Aleikum and welcome,,,,,,,,, Ponce here from Cuba.
Anti Zionist and pro Palestinian.
Ponce
2004-08-26 20:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Baybars al-Bunduqdari]Greetings, Huda, may Allah bless your name.
Greetings to the Original Dissent; Home of American Workers.
The great prophet Ibrahim, may Allah bless his name, was awarded by the Almighty with the ability to be the strongest in faith. Brothers, I am afraid my faith is not always so strong. I am merely human, therefore I waver at times. I feel the weight of the entire world is upon my shoulders, as a Muslim. The entire forces of the Great Satan are arranged against the Muslim world: the Arab world, the Iraqi world, the Iranian world, the Indonesian and Malaysian communities. O Allah! Make me strong! Make us strong!
Thank you for allowing me to join this forum, and to speak. Allahu Akbar.
Salaam![/QUOTE]
There are 2.5 billions Muslims in this world therefore unity can only make you stronger,,,,,,, be one and think as one and you will be free once again, only thing is, stay away from the USA for here I am.
Is no crime to defend your beloved land but it is to invade someones elses land, as the Zionists have in Palestine and the infidels in Iraq.
Fight with all your soul for that which you have, but stay away from where you don't belong.
Read and learn all that you can about what is going on, but only you can tell right from wrong.
I see a dark cloud covering the Earth, therefore be prepared for what is to come.
But don't despair and cry in the night and you will see the Sun shinning once again.
Hadassah
2004-09-01 00:52 | User Profile
I am a widowed Jewish woman, just under thirty; something of pillar of my local community, or so I try; also, something of an aspiring Torah scholar. I also read the Talmud, and the writings of Maimonides; though these are less interesting to me. I have one five-year-old daughter whom I read the Torah every night. We live out in the country, in a nice cottage house, for which I feel supremely blessed by G-d. I adore horses, tennis, old comic books, romance (what girl doesn't?), and when the weather favors it, a bit of skinny dipping here and there. Fortunately, I am double-blessed to live in the Southland; so the weather is often favorable.
Politically, I haven't really "settled" into a single mold; and to be honest, I'm not sure I would want as much. I would like to roll back on mass immigration; as this is clearly damaging to the environment, and is proving disruptive to community. Also, I am concerned about the dangers posed by militant Islam; the Muslim persecution of Christians and Jews abroad terrifies me. I seek some way to help these people, no matter how small a start it may be. Often, the tiniest trickle can lead to a waterfall.
In sum, this forum intrigues me. So I figure: why not check it out further?
**L'Chayim! H. **
Quantrill
2004-09-01 16:23 | User Profile
Hadassah, Welcome to OD. If you can stand the heat, I hope you enjoy your stay.
Q
Howard Campbell, Jr.
2004-10-23 15:01 | User Profile
Quite an eclectic mix...stick around!
Kentucky Knight
2004-11-19 17:30 | User Profile
My name is Mike, I am very anti-social. I actually hate message boards. But, at least here I can find links and info telling the truth about the Jew and other enemies of the white race.
I am a current Knights Recruiter in the Queer Loving city of Louisville, Kentucky. I am studing to be a preacher. Any more info about me, just ask.
Texas Dissident
2004-11-19 17:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]My name is Mike, I am very anti-social. I actually hate message boards. But, at least here I can find links and info telling the truth about the Jew and other enemies of the white race.
I am a current Knights Recruiter in the Queer Loving city of Louisville, Kentucky. I am studing to be a preacher. Any more info about me, just ask.[/QUOTE]
An anti-social preacher? Hmmm...
What seminary are you studying at?
Kentucky Knight
2004-11-22 19:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]An anti-social preacher? Hmmm...
What seminary are you studying at?[/QUOTE]
Preachers should be anti-social. I am there for people who want to understand YHVH. Unlike mainstream preachers, I could care less about race-mixers, gays, and people who are willing to support other religions. Donation money to me means nothing. I believe in truth, honor, and grace.
Texas Dissident
2004-11-22 19:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Preachers should be anti-social. I am there for people who want to understand YHVH. Unlike mainstream preachers, I could care less about race-mixers, gays, and people who are willing to support other religions. Donation money to me means nothing. I believe in truth, honor, and grace.[/QUOTE]
You're a heretical, Christian Identity cultist who cannot recognize true Truth because of racial hatred and pride.
Nevertheless, I'll try to sort through your interminable sermon spam in the Christianity forum and make a point or two to refute your cult beliefs. Maybe the Holy Spirit will see fit to help you understand.
Kentucky Knight
2004-11-22 19:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]You're a heretical, Christian Identity cultist who cannot recognize true Truth because of racial hatred and pride.
Nevertheless, I'll try to sort through your interminable sermon spam in the Christianity forum and make a point or two to refute your cult beliefs. Maybe the Holy Spirit will see fit to help you understand.[/QUOTE] Cult views? LoL. Thanks for the laugh. Hate? Yes, I hate which is evil(Amos 5:15). And I hate the enemies of YHVH(Pslams 139).
Okiereddust
2004-11-23 06:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]You're a heretical, Christian Identity cultist who cannot recognize true Truth because of racial hatred and pride.
Nevertheless, I'll try to sort through your interminable sermon spam in the Christianity forum and make a point or two to refute your cult beliefs. Maybe the Holy Spirit will see fit to help you understand.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to OD KK. Good to have you, and I see our board's theological scholastical purist is ready to do battle with you. :lol:
I don't think its is completely logical that Tex, or for that matter much of WN in general, have such a dogmatically negative view of CI, especially when the tone of it reads pretty much like the standard mainstream criticisms of it like that of being heretical racist haters, especially coming from our perspective. Partly I think it is that he has recently absorbed a very convinced Lutheran opposition to anything that smacks of legalism.
I do need to study it more in depth, but much of CI seems to me to be very much in the American reformed originated tradition of looking directly for a coventual relationship of God with the American nation, in a way which the early American Puritan preachers like John Bunyan (which I hear referred to often) would understand perfectly, and using the OT as a guide. The exact nature and interpretation of the OT admittedly could be overdone in the hands of humourless and rabid ideologues, but personally the CI people I have met in a religious setting haven't been this way at all. I think people tend to take CI in the most extreme interpretation, as for instance in what a preacher at a Klan rally might say, and especially be interpreted as saying, at a long rally late at night, especially when the boys break for beer afterwards (even though I get the feeling that CI are a lot more inclined to to teetotaling than Lutherans, even conservative ones, and definitely the ones I've met).
Other than that even the the basic beliefs of CI that cause trouble are not really unusual or in other contexts viewed as extreme. British-Israelism has a long history in our country of quite prominent preachers, Garner Ted Armstrong and the World-Wide Church of God being among them. And even the racial beliefs of CI on blacks really I don't think are as extreme as those of the Mormans, especially in the historical sense. (and before the recent ("special revelation" regarding blacks.) And it probably is not as heretical as those, not only the Darbyite dispensationalists, but the modern trendy multiculturalist Christianity taught in many if not most of the leading seminaries today, especially the trendy ones.
SO I'm inclined to give CI's a break Tex. Dig deep enoug in any religious group and you'll find beliefs that are a little odd, to say the least. The key I think is less than a fervent zeal to root out every nook and cranny of one's religious lexicon, (which often creates as much heresy as it chases away) but a willingness to use in good faith what is there for all the religious world to see, and which are very often ignored. CI in their own way have much to say. Coming from a point of view which still in the conservative fashion at times postures against dogmatic prejudice, I hope people on this board can find the means to be as kind to our friends as our enemies. Oddly sometimes this can be hard at times.
Bear with us KK, and again welcome aboard.
Texas Dissident
2004-11-23 15:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Bear with us KK, and again welcome aboard.[/QUOTE]
KK bear with us??? KK would denounce every single one of us right down the line as going to hell for not meeting some esoteric, supposed Israeli Lost Tribe Biblical law in his rigamortic, stiff-necked legalism. He's already cutting and pasting long winded diatribes in the Christianity forum. That's the way it always is with these CI guys and if you give them an inch they'll try and take a mile.
Now everybody's experiences are different, sure, but in my life and with the people I love the most there has been no greater poison to the true Gospel than fundamentalist legalism. That's all the CI's are about coupled with their cult doctrines like Serpent's seed, Adamic race and all that crappy baggage. In short, it's poison. I've never come across one of them here that would ever listen to any contrary point of view. In fact, all they ever do is come on exactly like KK has by spamming the board with long cut and paste sermons. In this vein they are no different than the close-minded anti-Christian atheists who would come on here attacking and attacking orthodox Christianity without ever paying the least bit of attention to any refutation of the points they incessantly kept making.
I'm sorry if it steps on their toes, but in my experience the best way to deal with these hard-core CI types is to attack them full throttle. That's what they're used to from their type of "religion".
Walter Yannis
2004-11-23 16:14 | User Profile
The KKK didn't like Catholics very much.
Of course, neither do I. At least not most. But that's not the point.
Kentucky Knight
2004-11-23 18:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]KK bear with us??? KK would denounce every single one of us right down the line as going to hell for not meeting some esoteric, supposed Israeli Lost Tribe Biblical law in his rigamortic, stiff-necked legalism. He's already cutting and pasting long winded diatribes in the Christianity forum. That's the way it always is with these CI guys and if you give them an inch they'll try and take a mile.[/QUOTE] Thanks for speaking for me. Funny, golfball isn't CI, and I love him like a blood brother. Then again, you are the expert. Since you know so much, what does ENOSH mean in the Bible? What about toledaw?
Kentucky Knight
2004-11-23 18:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]
Bear with us KK, and again welcome aboard.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the welcome.
vytis
2004-12-16 18:29 | User Profile
Greetings,
I joined this forum on Tuesday morning and just want to take a minute to say hi, and introduce myself.
As of Tuesday I was a sustaining member (Greybeard) in good standing of Stormfront. I did not leave with an ax to grind or with hard feelings. Nor am I here to throw stones at SF....I left with regret.
But as a Christian (Traditional Catholic), I discovered an area linked with that forum that made me very uncomfortable. An area I feel is blatantly anti-Christian, even worse blasphemous.
That's why I left; the only reason I left. And from what I see here so far, I don't think it will happen on this forum.
I look forward to learning and sharing with you all.
Regards, vytis "Fear Nothing But Sin"
Ponce
2004-12-16 18:50 | User Profile
Welcome vytis, while I don't have a religion I will defend your rights to have a religion but only as long as it dosen't hurt anyone or you try to shove it down out throats.
The only problem that I have encountered here is the fact that some senior members like to talk behind your back instead of telling you at your face what is going on.
And like I told them in the senior members only room " if five of them vote to kick me out I promise to get out and stay out". I don't count the votes of those who are Jews.
But of course any one of those who are able to control this forum can at will waste me. Even if this forum is supposed to be "for the commom people". You wont find a more "common" person than me anywhere, hahahahahaha .
Okiedust? As you can see I am trying to use less commas lol.
Texas Dissident
2004-12-16 18:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]Greetings,
I joined this forum on Tuesday morning and just want to take a minute to say hi, and introduce myself.
As of Tuesday I was a sustaining member (Greybeard) in good standing of Stormfront. I did not leave with an ax to grind or with hard feelings. Nor am I here to throw stones at SF....I left with regret.
But as a Christian (Traditional Catholic), I discovered an area linked with that forum that made me very uncomfortable. An area I feel is blatantly anti-Christian, even worse blasphemous.
That's why I left; the only reason I left. And from what I see here so far, I don't think it will happen on this forum.
I look forward to learning and sharing with you all.
Regards, vytis "Fear Nothing But Sin"[/QUOTE]
Welcome, vytis!
I'm sorry about the situation at the other place, but I can tell you that I'm extremely pleased to see you come on board here. I can imagine Mr. Walter Yannis will be as well. :)
Now I need to go dig up some heretic Lutherans and Calvinists to shore up our side. :)
vytis
2004-12-16 22:56 | User Profile
10-4.....Thanks for the welcome!!!!!
Ponce
2004-12-17 00:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]My name is Mike, I am very anti-social. I actually hate message boards. But, at least here I can find links and info telling the truth about the Jew and other enemies of the white race.
I am a current Knights Recruiter in the Queer Loving city of Louisville, Kentucky. I am studing to be a preacher. Any more info about me, just ask.[/QUOTE]
Well Mike I am so anti-social that I moved to the middle of the forest where there are very few people, as a matter of fact I don't even know those who are witting walking distance from me and the Micky Mousse town is about six miles from me, it is what I call a one mule town, to small to have a horse.
I don't think that you will recruit anyone here, at the most we are all crazy but we are no fools.
Franco
2004-12-17 08:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I'm sorry if it steps on their toes, but in my experience the best way to deal with these hard-core CI types is to attack them full throttle. That's what they're used to from their type of "religion". ______[/QUOTE]
The general opinion of mainstream WNs toward CI is negative. CI people are seen as weirdos and kooks.
Quantrill
2004-12-17 14:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis] I joined this forum on Tuesday morning and just want to take a minute to say hi, and introduce myself.[/QUOTE] Welcome aboard, good to have you. As Tex said, I'm sure the illustrious Mr Yannis will be happy to have another Catholic on the board. I, myself, have been attending an Orthodox Christian church, so I imagine we agree on many things.
Quantrill
2004-12-17 14:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]The general opinion of mainstream WNs toward CI is negative. CI people are seen as weirdos and kooks.[/QUOTE] Franco, It's good to see you back.
Franco
2004-12-17 15:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Franco, It's good to see you back.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
vytis
2004-12-17 16:22 | User Profile
Thanks for the welcome Quantrill...Good to be here!
Regards, Vytis
lydia_the_faithful
2005-01-09 18:23 | User Profile
Racialist Greetings!
vytis
2005-01-09 20:44 | User Profile
I'm fairly new here myself, but I welcome you aboard lydia!
Regards, vytis
Okiereddust
2005-01-09 21:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=lydia_the_faithful]Racialist Greetings![/QUOTE]Welcome aboard! As you can see by reading this thread not everyone here is enamored of CI, or any other WN faction for that matter, but I think we can have some interesting discussions if you keep it simple for us and don't go to hobby riding things too hard.
lydia_the_faithful
2005-01-09 23:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Welcome aboard! As you can see by reading this thread not everyone here is enamored of CI, or any other WN faction for that matter, but I think we can have some interesting discussions if you keep it simple for us and don't go to hobby riding things too hard.[/QUOTE] I will certainly try. Thank you for giving me a voice on the board.
MartinLindstedt
2005-01-10 04:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Welcome aboard! As you can see by reading this thread not everyone here is enamored of CI, or any other WN faction for that matter, but I think we can have some interesting discussions if you keep it simple for us and don't go to hobby riding things too hard.[/QUOTE]Well, the WN and especially CI have little use for the Original Dissent Embalming Society wherein CONned-servantive feebs desperately try their best to wander down into the tar pits of idiotology to bring back, like stegosaurus the Cretacious, the very same past that spawned the current doleful reality.
So this wannabe Stormfront clone probably won't like my style very much. Right now I'm in pursuit a soiled Sapphira I call Klunt with an alieass of Klailiff. She moderates the Christian Identity section on Stormfront. Her and I go back since 2002 when she got a Dual-Seedliner pastor named Willie Martin banned and as an Enforcer I got hold of her past ....
Ill Fagno, FakeTheBitcher's chief brownnose, sent me word that I could find Klunt here, gripping the altar of jew-day-o-ism churchianity seeking refuge. I see that you deleted some highly informative dirt regarding Klunt's past. I see no reason for it......
In any case, here goes, and I hope that I am not banned for simply being honest.
--Martin Lindstedt [url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url]
Okiereddust
2005-01-10 05:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MartinLindstedt]In any case, here goes, and I hope that I am not banned for simply being honest.
--Martin Lindstedt [url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url][/QUOTE]No Martin, you're banned for egregiously violating forum rules. I'll leave part of this up so people can see what kind of a guy you are.
MartinLindstedt
2005-01-20 00:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]No Martin, you're banned for egregiously violating forum rules. I'll leave part of this up so people can see what kind of a guy you are.[/QUOTE]Well, you did censor me pretty much regardling Klunt a.k.a. Sapphira_the_soiled.
How much slack do I get this time? You didn't like me mentioning Sapphira's past behavior even though all of it is true.
Do I get to hint?
By the way, I like how Klailiff/Klunt treated you with condescention on Stormfront. She hates Dual-Seedline and Dual-Seedliners with a Genesis 3:15 enmity. Morris Gulett didn't get any satisfaction either. Just like jews, you give them what they think is their due, like shelter, and they will treat you like a Palestinian in their Zionist $permfront virtual reality and crap all over you for shielding them from a big, bad nazi like me. They didn't get such tender treatment on VNN, and so VNN is judenfrei.
Listening to Klunt and her sock-puppet Gabbyrelle expound their pastiche of 'New Covenant' Identity makes us, the genuine Dual-Seedline article, both angry and amused. Don't you let them sling their churchianity douchbags all over you, for if you do, you'll deserve it.
--Martin Lindstedt [url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url]
IronWorker
2005-01-27 06:31 | User Profile
.......
Thomas777
2005-01-27 22:07 | User Profile
Greetings all. I'm a refugee from the now defunct Queendom of the clown-prince known as "FadetheButcher".
Good to see some familiar faces here...(not including Marty Lindstedt.)
Prince
2005-01-28 01:00 | User Profile
Hello. The Phora was shut down so I guess this is my new home.
Anarch
2005-01-28 06:20 | User Profile
Hello everyone.
I woke up yesterday morning and found The Phora was simply vapourised. I had a choice between OD and Stirpes (the successor to Skadi). I decided to come here because, being an Australian, I have more in common with white Americans than I do with mainland Europe. I think this will be my new home.
Texas Dissident
2005-01-28 07:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Anarch]...being an Australian...[/QUOTE]
What's Peter Garrett up to these days? And Pauline Hansen?
Okiereddust
2005-01-28 07:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Thomas777]Greetings all. I'm a refugee from the now defunct Queendom of the clown-prince known as "FadetheButcher".
Good to see some familiar faces here...(not including Marty Lindstedt.)[/QUOTE]Good to have you all here. :smile:
Tell the truth though - are you really here because you'd miss Fade's Board [I]per se[/I], or just because you'll would miss Martin? :lol:
Anarch
2005-01-28 08:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]What's Peter Garrett up to these days? And Pauline Hansen?[/QUOTE]
Pauline Hanson is practically a non-entity, a private citizen. She decided a few months ago she was leaving politics, and not much is really heard from her. Her 'One Nation' party has collapsed, and the Liberal Party (our equivalent of the Republicans) has effectively hijacked her supporters. Peter Garrett? I haven't really paid much attention to him.
[QUOTE]Good to have you all here. [/QUOTE]
Thanks :thumbsup:
[QUOTE]Tell the truth though - are you really here because you'd miss Fade's Board per se, or just because you'll would miss Martin?[/QUOTE]
I can't really speak for the others, but I despise Martin, particularly his abuse/mutilation of the English language. I'm here because I miss Fade's board.
MartinLindstedt
2005-01-28 20:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Anarch/ArchAnus]
I can't really speak for the others, but I despise Martin, particularly his abuse/mutilation of the English language. I'm here because I miss Fade's board.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Anarch/ArchAnus, this typical whigger critter was par for the course for most whigger nutsionalists. Cowardly, idiotic, and pretty much a faggoty feeb whose kind made up the majority of the phorafags/feebs. Itz kind was kink on Fake's board. It should ask Fake to transfer over the v-bulletin license over to 'ArchAnus' to create a same/old same/old suckcessor to phorafags/feebs. Perhaps call it phorafags/feebs2.
Unlike ArchAnus, I take liberties with the English language because first understanding the rules, I seek to 'break' them in an orderly way in order to create something new from the old. The Old Masters were not conservative, but radical in their use of the English language and they made it plastic enough to serve their new ideas using the modified tools at hand. ArchAnus with its little 'brain' already fossilized should fit in here at the Original Dissent Embalming Society very well. ArchAnus's choice of a-lie-ass suggests to its whiggroid 'brain,' as well as other feebs, that it is interested in anarchy. But a fossilized conventional 'anarchy' it is -- if it ever was.
By all means, make ArchAnus the Director of Nihilism here at ODES. Then nothing of concern is certain to get halfway maybe done. Make Jelly Donut and Dranus, mong[r]ollian spam-mamzers all, AnusArch's subdirectors in this ODES Department of Nihilism wherein they can be sure to enforce a State of Nothingness.
--Martin Lindstedt All For Somethingness [url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url]
Anarch
2005-01-28 23:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MartinLindstedt]Speaking of Anarch/ArchAnus, this typical whigger critter was par for the course for most whigger nutsionalists. Cowardly, idiotic, and pretty much a faggoty feeb whose kind made up the majority of the phorafags/feebs. Itz kind was kink on Fake's board. It should ask Fake to transfer over the v-bulletin license over to 'ArchAnus' to create a same/old same/old suckcessor to phorafags/feebs. Perhaps call it phorafags/feebs2.
Unlike ArchAnus, I take liberties with the English language because first understanding the rules, I seek to 'break' them in an orderly way in order to create something new from the old. The Old Masters were not conservative, but radical in their use of the English language and they made it plastic enough to serve their new ideas using the modified tools at hand. ArchAnus with its little 'brain' already fossilized should fit in here at the Original Dissent Embalming Society very well. ArchAnus's choice of a-lie-ass suggests to its whiggroid 'brain,' as well as other feebs, that it is interested in anarchy. But a fossilized conventional 'anarchy' it is -- if it ever was.
By all means, make ArchAnus the Director of Nihilism here at ODES. Then nothing of concern is certain to get halfway maybe done. Make Jelly Donut and Dranus, mong[r]ollian spam-mamzers all, AnusArch's subdirectors in this ODES Department of Nihilism wherein they can be sure to enforce a State of Nothingness.
--Martin Lindstedt All For Somethingness [url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url][/QUOTE]
That's, uh, great, Martin. Now you go along and play with the kiddies, ok? Remember not to bite though, alright? :yes:
IronWorker
2005-01-29 05:25 | User Profile
LibertyForum has been compromised by the addition of a jewish parasite known as LibertyScion AKA LibertyStation.
I like PaleoConism, except for its Christian component, so I am going to check out OD now. Ironicly enough, as I have been traveling through the current Matrix enroute to the 12/12/2012 Nexus, I have been wondering if the Serpent Seedline may be a Christian 'version' of my current belief in [url=www.reptilianagenda.com]Reptilians[/url], so this may be a good forum to potentially explore that possibility and also check out what Fundamentalist Christians think about discoveries about [url=www.bridgeoflove.com/bookstore/ icke/magazine/vol16/research/jmmanuel.html]The Talmud of Jmmanuel[/url] findings.
MartinLindstedt
2005-01-29 05:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Anarch]That's, uh, great, Martin. Now you go along and play with the kiddies, ok? Remember not to bite though, alright? :yes:[/QUOTE]We each have our own kind of friends, ArchAnus. Why not go and play with Fake the Flake in your new, improved, anti-christian philofag phorafeebery?
FakeTheFlake really left its own kind rode hard and put up wet.
--Martin Lindstedt [url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url]
Franco
2005-01-29 07:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE] I have been wondering if the Serpent Seedline may be a Christian 'version' of my current belief in Reptilians, [/QUOTE]
What??
MartinLindstedt
2005-01-29 08:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=IronWorker]LibertyForum has been compromised by the addition of a jewish parasite known as LibertyScion AKA LibertyStation.
I like PaleoConism, except for its Christian component, so I am going to check out OD now. Ironicly enough, as I have been traveling through the current Matrix enroute to the 12/12/2012 Nexus, I have been wondering if the Serpent Seedline may be a Christian 'version' of my current belief in [url="http://www.reptilianagenda.com/"]Reptilians[/url], so this may be a good forum to potentially explore that possibility and also check out what Fundamentalist Christians think about discoveries about [url="http://www.bridgeoflove.com/bookstore/%20icke/magazine/vol16/research/jmmanuel.html"]The Talmud of Jmmanuel[/url] findings.[/QUOTE]I sense that you are making sport with my religious beliefs, Ironworker.
But you can have your fun searching out your sundry 'current beliefs' which I suspect are really the current state religion of Solipsistic Hypocrisy.
[url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/me-god.html"]http://www.martinlindstedt.org/me-god.html[/url]
I found your sly malice hilarious. It, of course, went way over Franco's head.
--Martin Lindstedt
Franco
2005-01-29 08:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I found your sly malice hilarious. It, of course, went way over Franco's head.[/QUOTE]
Hey, are you s-s-suggesting that I'm not s-s-sophisticated? Hey, I eat funny-smelling imported food, and I watch weird foreign films with English subtitles. I'm an intell-ek-chew-al, I tells ya......I read books written by people who live Back East and drive foreign cars and sip white wine and quote Tolstoy. I'm edge-yoo-cated, I tells ya... ...the guy who wrote the book I just finished reading wears sandals and talks about Trotsky a lot....see? That proves it...
:holiday:
Kevin_O'Keeffe
2005-01-29 11:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=IronWorker]I like PaleoConism, except for its Christian component, so I am going to check out OD now.[/QUOTE]
If the statement Iron Worker just made above mirrors the feelings of any other recent refugees from Fade's Great Act of Mercurial Perfidy, please don't think me arrogant for offering a small piece of advice. While most (though not all) of the posters here would consider this board paleo-con to such an extent as to be somewhat White Nationalist in nature (much like the views of Sam Francis, whom if you don't know, you really should - you can find his stuff over at [url=http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org]Chronicles: The Magazine of American Culture[/url], among other places), and certainly open to White Nationalist statements being openly made here, the owner, administrators, and leading personalities, see this board as first and foremost Christian in nature.
While I have mever been a Christian (although I have had a lifelong tendency to regard Christianity with a certain deference due the faith of one's fathers, and have flirted on-and-off with taking the plunge, albeit never actually making it, so perhaps I had a natural tendency to behave the way I'm going to suggest would be useful for other non-Christians to consider behaving while active at OD), I have never had any difficulty posting on this board (after a few hundred messages, I was politely requested to stop using a "pagan" avatar, which was really just the symbol of the [url=http://www.natvan.com]National Alliance[/url], to which I have proudly belonged since 1996, and while I can't say that pleased me - it actually served as a major catalyst in my decision to being posting at The Phora - I've actually come to prefer my new avatar, as its kind of original and cantankerous-looking, and an avatar is hardly a big deal anyway). The reason I have never had any such problems, while some of my fellow National Socialists/"Nazis" have actually been banned, is because I understood that one doesn't post a whole bunch of Dr. Revilo P. Oliver-inspired messages deriding Christianity as a Jewish mind-control scam fit only for feeble-minded, filthy degenerates, or whatever the party line in far-right atheist circles may be these days. Some of you probably do feel that way, frankly, just don't extensively and aggressively discuss that viewpoint here. Its not so much a question of censorship, as it is one of ordinary politeness. I doubt Walter Yannis would show up at the VNN forum and deounce them all as bunch of worthless Nazis, and claim Alex Linder was a "fag," after all, even if he felt those things were true (I'm not suggesting he does; just making a point).
Everyone here is in favor of some form of nationalism that is explicitly intended to be, and almost certainly would be, highly beneficial to White people and their civilization, as well as in direct oppsition to the goals of the Jews. That makes us all allies, in my book, and allies have got better things to do than insult the religious beliefs of their host. I'm sure you'll agree that makes sense, and you can always post anti-Christian rants over at The Nordish Portal or some such place, where there is no doubt a receptive audience (just as there was at The Phora). Or Hell, just ignore my pompous ass, and do whatever you want. It was only a friendly sugestion intened to be helpful.
Texas Dissident
2005-01-29 20:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]If the statement Iron Worker just made above mirrors the feelings of any other recent refugees from Fade's Great Act of Mercurial Perfidy, please don't think me arrogant for offering a small piece of advice. While most (though not all) of the posters here would consider this board paleo-con to such an extent as to be somewhat White Nationalist in nature (much like the views of Sam Francis, whom if you don't know, you really should - you can find his stuff over at [url=http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org]Chronicles: The Magazine of American Culture[/url], among other places), and certainly open to White Nationalist statements being openly made here, the owner, administrators, and leading personalities, see this board as first and foremost Christian in nature.[/QUOTE]
It somewhat surprised me to read this, Kevin. I've never viewed the board as first and foremost Christian in nature. It's always been a paleo/traditional conservative board and site. Now I guess one could make the argument that Christianity is part and parcel of paleo-conservatism, and I wouldn't disagree with that.
OD is 'about' traditional conservatism. Always has and always will be. Am I a Christian? Yes, a confessing Lutheran to be quite specific. Does it influence my thinking and decisions? Sure, it does. I hope it does, at least. I'm not going to pretend to be something I'm not. I'm not that smart. Maybe things have been skewed somewhat simply because theological matters are what interest me the most, but OD was intended to be a political board, in particular a place for traditional/Buchanan type conservatives after FR purged us years ago.
Again, to give a short summary of the policy here, there is no ideological litmus test to participate, but paleo/traditional conservatism is the favored ideology, if you will. Along with that is traditional, orthodox Christianity. That's not to say that one must be a paleo-con or a baptized Christian in full communion within an approved denomination to participate here. That is not the case. We just got tired of flash in the pan posters constantly, and I mean constantly, coming on to launch attack after attack on the True Faith, without ever even attempting to engage in considered dialogue concerning the points they raised.
Concerning your point about racialist symbols and such, yes, we have always discouraged their use here on this board. That is a matter of practicality and good sense. Whether one agrees or disagrees, I think that kind of policy has had a direct effect on the level of discourse we've been able to maintain here at OD.
Having said all that, I hope everyone who comes across these pages decides to join-up and post. We welcome any well-meaning men or women who care about the things going on in our world today.
Intrepid
2005-01-30 06:52 | User Profile
Hello,
I thought it was finally time to post here. I've been reading the board for a couple of years, but simply never signed on. I suppose that can happen when you agree with the majority of the contnet & posters. Nevertheless, akin to not droppin' Brimelow a few bucks for using Vdare, hopefully I can provide something of value to those who don the same ideological attire as mine.
Kevin_O'Keeffe
2005-01-30 07:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It somewhat surprised me to read this, Kevin. I've never viewed the board as first and foremost Christian in nature. It's always been a paleo/traditional conservative board and site. Now I guess one could make the argument that Christianity is part and parcel of paleo-conservatism, and I wouldn't disagree with that.
Perhaps my analysis of the primary emphasis of the board was in error, but I didn't intend anything I said as a criticism, but was rather trying to offer some advice that might make someone's transition from The Phora, where anti-Christian rants were entirely welcome, to OD, where I was under the impression they are not, a little smoother. If my remarks strike you as unhelpful, please feel more than free to delete them without any thought I would be offended by your so doing. I was only trying to help. If I failed, yank the post.
Texas Dissident
2005-01-30 08:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Perhaps my analysis of the primary emphasis of the board was in error, but I didn't intend anything I said as a criticism, but was rather trying to offer some advice that might make someone's transition from The Phora, where anti-Christian rants were entirely welcome, to OD, where I was under the impression they are not, a little smoother. If my remarks strike you as unhelpful, please feel more than free to delete them without any thought I would be offended by your so doing. I was only trying to help. If I failed, yank the post.[/QUOTE]
No way, Kevin. I didn't take it as criticism, not at all. I always appreciate your thoughtful input here. Just wanted to try and correct a perception of OD that I believe is wrong. I don't blame you or anyone else for the conclusions you may have drawn from your experience here. When one's time is limited like mine most often is, I unfortunately can't always post at length outlining my views of what specifically is and is not welcome. Since the first day I bought some web space, installed forum software and recruited my old FR running buddies like Sert, Okie, madruskie and AY, OD has very much been a 'fly by the seat of the pants' operation. Seems like a long time ago when the entire board was more or less Sert posting articles and making comments and carrying the entire load. Imagine how surprising it was not three or four months into this thing that someone called into a PBS political talk show with Jonah Goldberg mentioning 'Neo-Con Watch'. That was pretty cool and helped me realize what kind of impact these forums can have in the real world. But at the same time, I've also come to learn that one can get too absorbed and bogged down in them and lose sight of the bigger picture.
Anyway, not to wax nostalgic on you, but suffice to say that through the years its been a bumpy ride. Many things have happened that I regret and I've definitely made more than my share of mistakes. But most everyone that's ever been in or around OD are good folks, Christians and heathens :), and it's been my privelege to be a part of it. I still believe in our cause and mission and I hope that this latest influx of ex-phorans will only help OD get not only bigger, but also better, more productive and influential in the political cyber-world.
Landser
2005-01-31 04:32 | User Profile
Decided to join this forum as being somewhat interested as to what was so great that Il Ragno would be bashing the phora .
il ragno
2005-01-31 12:29 | User Profile
You needn't have bothered, Landser. Yesterday the Phora reopened with much administrative cheapshotting at my expense, and naturally, being unable to respond in kind, I was a [I]mite [/I] puckish about this.
But I've blown my gasket, and snarled out all my return venom [I]yesterday[/I]. Sorry, but that tsunami has now passed by.
You may return now bearing the disappointing news that I see no point in "bashing the Phora". (Actually, I'd only ever bashed [I]Fade[/I], not the Phora, but - I know, I know - To Argue With Fade Is To Hate The Entire Phora.)
Satisfied? Fine. Give my best to Raina.
starr
2005-01-31 18:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]You needn't have bothered, Landser. Yesterday the Phora reopened with much administrative cheapshotting at my expense, and naturally, being unable to respond in kind, I was a mite puckish about this.
.[/QUOTE]
So you are one of the banned. I figured as much.
Franco
2005-02-03 05:17 | User Profile
Now that it looks like a lot of former Phora people will be here at OD for awhile, I want to say something to those people:
Your neoconservative/semi-neoconservative, "Jews? What Jews?" attitudes won't work here at OD.
Bwa-ha-ha-ha! :holiday:
[edited]
Ponce
2005-02-03 16:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]So you are one of the banned. I figured as much.[/QUOTE]
Do you blame them? look at his answer to Landser.
Liberty a Jew? bring it on, I have been waiting for one of those for a while.
Phantasm
2005-02-04 03:52 | User Profile
Hello, everyone. I had considered joining The Phora as an alternate to Stormfront and VNN. However, with all the weird things going on at The Phora [aka: aipac], I think I'll drop anchor here.
As an American Christian Patriot... this is probably a better choice for me anyway.
:)
Quantrill
2005-02-04 13:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm] As an American Christian Patriot... this is probably a better choice for me anyway.[/QUOTE] Probably correct. Welcome aboard.
vytis
2005-02-04 17:49 | User Profile
Phantasm...Good to have you. :thumbsup:
WesleyWes
2005-02-05 19:03 | User Profile
Hello,
Is it not permissable to have a picture of a gal as avatar,showing exposed tush?
Thankyou, WesleyWes :thumbsup:
Sertorius
2005-02-05 19:06 | User Profile
No.
Texas Dissident
2005-02-05 19:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=WesleyWes]Is it not permissable to have a picture of a gal as avatar,showing exposed tush?[/QUOTE]
Nor one showing a profane hand gesture.
You're testing my patience, Wesley.
Single White Mogul
2005-02-12 22:12 | User Profile
Hi,
I've been reading your board for the past few weeks and just joined. It appears to be the best in class.
- SWM
Walter Yannis
2005-02-12 22:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Single White Mogul]Hi,
I've been reading your board for the past few weeks and just joined. It appears to be the best in class.
- SWM[/QUOTE]
Welcome.
vytis
2005-02-12 22:48 | User Profile
Greetings SWM. Welcome & good to have you! :)
RowdyRoddyPiper
2005-02-14 07:11 | User Profile
Hi everyone,
I am a long-time lurker on OD who appreciates the openness and quality of the discourse here. I didn't realise that this welcome forum existed so I just sort of jumped on in and started posting a couple of weeks ago. Still, better late than never!
I choose the nick RowdyRoddyPiper because I've noticed that references to John Carpenter's "Them" seems to be a recurring meme on the board (in avatars, sigs etc), so there's one more. Also, as a conservative I naturally prefer the oldskool 80s WWF to the newer, crapper WCW :) Ahh, the good old days...
vytis
2005-02-14 13:41 | User Profile
Welcome Rowdy! :thumbsup:
Single White Mogul
2005-02-15 16:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] Welcome. [QUOTE=vytis]Greetings SWM. Welcome & good to have you! :)[/QUOTE] Glad to be here!
And thank you both for the welcome.
CWRWinger
2005-02-15 20:45 | User Profile
Greetings.
I don't have a lot of cyberspce time or credentials.
Banned from FR (5) times (various different screennames). Banned one week from LP & never went back.
I do like the intelligent level of discussion here.
To any gov't agents reading this, I say, "Hello thugs, why don't you go get a real job?"
And to the rebels who operate our AmeriKan gov't I say, "You don't have my consent."
Quantrill
2005-02-15 21:18 | User Profile
CWRWinger, Greetings and welcome. OD has a good balance of decorum and freedom of expression. As for your supposed lack of online 'credentials,' I had a lot less when I started posting here. Enjoy your stay.
CWRWinger
2005-02-15 21:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]CWRWinger, Greetings and welcome. OD has a good balance of decorum and freedom of expression. As for your supposed lack of online 'credentials,' I had a lot less when I started posting here. Enjoy your stay.[/QUOTE]Thank you.
Due to your location, I quess you aren't the "Ghost of Quantrill", the infamous Bushbot/neocon with a Southern spin? Quantrill (of Confederate fame) and neocon politics are not compatible. That guys screenname should read "Ghost with Quandary".
Texas Dissident
2005-02-15 22:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]As for your supposed lack of online 'credentials,' I had a lot less when I started posting here.[/QUOTE]
I still aint got any!
:cowboy:
Gebirgsjager
2005-03-06 15:14 | User Profile
Greetings everyone. I'm new to this discussion board, but I've been "lurking" for quite some time now. I look forward to discussing issues on this board. From what I've read so far, I've found a new home. :thumbsup:
vytis
2005-03-06 15:43 | User Profile
Welcome aboard! :thumbsup:
mwdallas
2005-03-07 00:53 | User Profile
An influx from South Carolina? Welcome, gentlemen -- I grew up in the Upstate myself. Do you recognize my avatar?
Quantrill
2005-03-07 16:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CWRWinger] Due to your location, I quess you aren't the "Ghost of Quantrill", the infamous Bushbot/neocon with a Southern spin? No, I'm not. I've never heard of the guy.
[QUOTE=CWRWinger]Quantrill (of Confederate fame) and neocon politics are not compatible. That guys screenname should read "Ghost with Quandary".[/QUOTE] :thumbsup:
Ponce
2005-03-07 16:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I still aint got any!
:cowboy:[/QUOTE]
Is ok Tex, they found out that I am here and that's why they are jumping on the bandwagon heheheheheheheh....... ayyyyyyy mama.
Walter Yannis
2005-03-10 06:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hiser]Hello everyone, I'm here from Stormfront, and hope to be here for a long while. It's nice to see a true conservative forum online. :)[/QUOTE] Welcome, Hiser!
vytis
2005-03-10 15:33 | User Profile
Hiser good to have you...Welcome. :thumbsup:
Petrocco
2005-03-12 13:01 | User Profile
That's me - Petrocco. I decided I can only do this message board thing under my real name - otherwise it's too much like roleplay. Which tells you why I'm not posting at StormFront. I would never give my real name on that board. :gunsmilie
This way I won't be tempted to say anything I wouldn't say with my Mommy standing next to me! :punk:
vytis
2005-03-12 14:11 | User Profile
Petrocco,
I read one of your posts already and look forward to seeing more. Welcome! :)
'One cannot fail to appreciate, that in all of the corrosive manifestations of modern civilization Jewry plays a leading role.' ~Bishop Otto Dibelius
Bishop Otto Dibelius, Pre WWII era General Superintendent Kurmark Diocese, Evangelical Lutheran Church, Prussia
SteamshipTime
2005-03-22 14:11 | User Profile
Good morning all. Several of you know me from LibertyForum and ThePhora. Austrian school economics, libertarian, Episcopal Christian, blood and soil.
Regards, ST.
Bardamu
2005-03-22 14:20 | User Profile
Welcome, Steamship Time. The OD Embalming Society can use a good economics man.
Sertorius
2005-03-22 14:20 | User Profile
Welcome to the board, ST.
vytis
2005-03-23 11:58 | User Profile
Steamship welcome to the OD Forum. Good to have you. :clap:
'Wer kennt den Jude kennt den Teufel'
Phantasm
2005-03-23 19:09 | User Profile
Hello SteamshipTime!
Welcome.
:thumbsup:
Howard Campbell, Jr.
2005-04-15 16:36 | User Profile
Jump on in, lurkers--this is a fine waterin' hole... :D
Ponce
2005-04-15 22:57 | User Profile
Petrocco and Steamship if someone like me with his anti-Zionist feelings is welcome here then you know that you are safe, as far as I know we only have two real rules and those are no personal insults and no cursing.
Sir Ruthless
2005-05-08 06:47 | User Profile
Hello everyone. I came across this forum from a link on pokerface.org. Nice forum :smile: I look forward to some great discussions.
BNP'er
2005-05-11 19:34 | User Profile
As an Englishman and white nationalist I hope I can contribute to this forum. Let's get the ball rolling!
mwdallas
2005-05-11 20:10 | User Profile
Welcome, gentlemen.
Angeleyes
2005-05-17 05:03 | User Profile
Hello one and all:
I stumbled across OD while doing some Googling search on "Scots Irish Texas Rangers." For no good reason, I read some of the threads and articles. I am intrigued by the high level of discourse, and what appears to be a diverse membership.
I am not sure I "get" the guiding principles of this site/group. What working definition of "Traditional American Conservatism for the Common Man" is commonly agreed here? Conservatism, like Liberalism, seems to shift in meaning depending on who is talking.
I approach free speech thusly: the freedom to say what you like, and be deemed a fool, sage, liar, wise man, or jester as the audience digests your words. Am I in the right place?
Angeleyes:starwars:
robinder
2005-05-17 05:54 | User Profile
Thusly, no less.
Angeleyes
2005-05-17 13:25 | User Profile
robinder
Do you have an answer for the question on definition? Thanks for any insight you can offer.
Angeleyes
Sertorius
2005-05-17 13:36 | User Profile
Angeleyes,
Greetings and welcome to the board.
Traditional conservatism is also known as Paleoconservatism. The folks who founded the board did it in reaction to the censorship of Jim Robinson of "Free" Republic ill repute. There, the Paleocon position as represented by Pat Buchanan and the late Dr. Sam Francis was suppressed. Since the founding the board has attracted a number of views that aren't always in tune with Paleoconservatism, yet, there is one view that 99% of us agree on and that is that "neoconservatism" (sic) is a destructive doctrine that has its roots in Trotskyism. This is what "conservatism" today has morphed into. This is how I see things here.
If you have additional questions please feel free to ask.
Angeleyes
2005-05-17 16:10 | User Profile
Thanks, Sertorius.
Not being a huge fan of Mr Buchanan, does that make me a fish out of water?
Many of my views on illegal immigration and the defense of my nation's borders appear to fit here. My disappointment with the current state of play includes attacking Terrorism with Bureaucracy (Dept of HL Sec was unnecessary), failure to defend our borders, irresponsible fiscal policy (after a Right led, bipartisan move to discipline gov't spending in the 90's.) and failure to recognize China as our long term security threat, economically and otherwise. They have been waging economic warfare on us ever since Slick Willie bent over and presented the jar of Vaseline.
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Angeleyes, Greetings and welcome to the board. Traditional conservatism is also known as Paleoconservatism. ==snip== If you have additional questions please feel free to ask.[/QUOTE]
Sertorius
2005-05-17 16:33 | User Profile
A,
You're welcomed.
[QUOTE]Not being a huge fan of Mr Buchanan, does that make me a fish out of water?[/QUOTE] Nah, not at all. There are a number of folks here who aren't exactly enamored with Pat.
SteamshipTime
2005-05-18 13:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BNP'er]As an Englishman and white nationalist I hope I can contribute to this forum. Let's get the ball rolling![/QUOTE] Excellent. A conservative Englishman. In England!
Velvet Hammer
2005-05-21 16:57 | User Profile
Good day. Found this board as a link chase from a Google search on Thomas Chittum, and recognized one of the posters as somebody I work with (
so much for "the Anonymous Internet" ). I also hang out at AmRen.com.
Sertorius
2005-05-21 16:59 | User Profile
Welcome, VH.
Brian Hassett
2005-05-22 00:17 | User Profile
Hello all. I'm a regular poster on Stormfront, but would like to check this board out as well.
Gabrielle
2005-05-22 19:21 | User Profile
Hello, Brian. :)
Phantasm
2005-05-22 20:58 | User Profile
Hi, Brian!
And welcome also to Velvet Hammer, Angeleyes, and all of our new friends!
:smile:
Ron
2005-05-29 06:08 | User Profile
I haven't posted here very much, or for a long time. However, I have noticed many posters using copyrighted material in their posts. Is this allowed here? I was a frequent poster on Stormfront, but I have decided to move on. So far, I like this way the board looks.
Ked McFarlane
2005-06-02 20:24 | User Profile
I look forward to posting in this enviornment where we can speak our minds. I look forward to many interesting discussions. I'm new at posting, so I hope this comes out right.
Howard Campbell, Jr.
2005-06-02 23:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]I look forward to posting in this enviornment where we can speak our minds. I look forward to many interesting discussions. I'm new at posting, so I hope this comes out right.[/QUOTE]
Welcome, Ked!
BlueBonnet
2005-06-08 14:05 | User Profile
wow I'm so glad I found you guys.:punk:
Ponce
2005-06-08 16:25 | User Profile
Welcome guys, as long as you are not black, intelligent and well spoken.
I am surprised that a Cuban rebel like me is still here, could it be because many think that I am the buffon of this site and have an enternaiment value? or maybe because of my poor English?
"De Oppresso Liber" and that's why I write as I do and I wonder for long more will I be able to say what should be said by someone.
I have seen a black person being chastise by the power to be for "cursing" and using personal "insult" and if you were to read his posings (if they are still around) you will apreciate the fact that he never did what he was accused of doing.......otherwise welcome and enjoy.
"When the truth comes into the light the lies will hide in the dark"...Ponce
PS: I am an ardent anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic.
Texas Dissident
2005-06-08 16:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Welcome guys, as long as you are not black, intelligent and well spoken...I have seen a black person being chastise by the power to be for "cursing" and using personal "insult" and if you were to read his posings (if they are still around) you will apreciate the fact that he never did what he was accused of doing.......otherwise welcome and enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Give me a break, Ponce. My mind is still undecided on whether or not that troll was you, amigo. If you're going to whine about it, then please feel free to go away from here and join him. Or better yet, go back to Cuba and enjoy your freedom to troll internet forae with Fidel and the boys.
Quantrill
2005-06-08 17:32 | User Profile
Ponce, If you truly believe that either Ked McFarlane or who'sbobbarr were 'well-spoken' then you need another crack at that ESL class.
Ponce
2005-06-08 22:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Give me a break, Ponce. My mind is still undecided on whether or not that troll was you, amigo. If you're going to whine about it, then please feel free to go away from here and join him. Or better yet, go back to Cuba and enjoy your freedom to troll internet forae with Fidel and the boys.[/QUOTE]
Tex? I have noticed a change in you in the past two months, what's wrong? Send me a private message and maybe I can help you.
Quantrill? by well spoken I mean that he did not insult like you guys are doing.
By the way before I take a ESL class I have to know first what the heck it is, as you know I only went to the 10th grade because I found school to be very boring and the only thing that they teach you is what they want you to learn and not what you need to learn and to tell you the truth I am glad I did.
Even if my English is not up to par I have no complaint because I have done good in life and as the old saying goes "I got it made in the shade" :smartass:
kane123123
2005-06-10 19:44 | User Profile
Glad to be here. I've been on many other forums. I especially like this one because it doesn't appera to be the hollywood sterotype kind, but the real thing.
Fenris
2005-06-16 02:43 | User Profile
Glad to be here and thanks for the forum.
big T
2005-06-18 22:38 | User Profile
Hello all good white brothers and sisters! 14/88 big T
Aryan 40
2005-06-19 16:27 | User Profile
Hello everybody , I am new on SF I am a 40 year old racially awakened white male .I have just finished reading my awakening by David Duke and found it hard to put down .What else do you guys recommend to read ? And what would be a good WN group to join ?
Angelus Silesius
2005-06-19 17:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Aryan 40]Hello everybody , I am new on SF I am a 40 year old racially awakened white male .I have just finished reading my awakening by David Duke and found it hard to put down .What else do you guys recommend to read ? And what would be a good WN group to join ?[/QUOTE] You can read Patrick Buchanan's "Death of the West" or "A Republic Not an Empire." Any book store should have those.
Check out the Council of Conservatives website (cofcc)
Bardamu
2005-06-20 01:00 | User Profile
Lots of new members. Welcome everybody! :cheers:
Texas Dissident
2005-06-20 23:59 | User Profile
The jewish query moved to its own thread here:
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18740[/url]
Hugh Lincoln
2005-06-22 20:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Aryan 40]What else do you guys recommend to read ?[/QUOTE]
Dispossessed Majority, by Wilmot Robertson, is always a classic, but hard to find.
Culture of Critique, by Kevin MacDonald, is academic reading but fascinating.
Alien Nation by Peter Brimelow is great moderate stuff.
And Why Race Matters by Michael Levin (a Jew) actually has some of the defter arguments on racial differences and why they're relevant. Don't tell Franco I told you.
Jess David Peterson
2005-06-24 13:57 | User Profile
Glad to see a forum for PALEOcons exists. I'm glad to be here, and shall be posting frequently!
:cheers:
Jess
Sertorius
2005-06-24 14:00 | User Profile
Greetings and welcome to the board, Jess.
theonomist
2005-06-25 06:45 | User Profile
Hey guys just found this site and it looks like I could learn alot hear! I am a reconstructionist, from upstate ny my name is Chet:gunsmilie
Marxist
2005-06-25 07:23 | User Profile
~~~ Illuminati, "a secret society within another secret society": " the Freemasons who are dedicated to sacrificing mankind to Lucifer." They have invented anti-Semitism, putting Jews out there like bait to catch whoever the "enemy" is needed for the sacrifice.... ~~~
In short, Jewish e-journalists like Makow try to deflect blame from Jews, by 'revealing' the 'Illuminati,' 'Freemasons,' and 'Lizards.'
Marxist
2005-06-25 07:24 | User Profile
How do I check if I have replies to my post??
Sertorius
2005-06-25 07:45 | User Profile
Comrade Marxist,
That's a good question. As long as I have been on this board I've never really thought about it as I remember where I've posted something and usually go back to the thread and look. I think if you "subscribe" to a thread it will inform you if anyone has added anything to that thread. This board is different from say, "Free" Republic as it doesn't send out personal notifications. I'll see if I can find out something for you.
Marxist
2005-06-25 15:47 | User Profile
Sertorius:
~~ I'll see if I can find out something for you.
Thanks a lot.
~~ Free" Republic
Their software's pretty good.
Sertorius
2005-06-25 15:51 | User Profile
M,
You're welcome.
Some of the features are well thought out. Too bad I can't say the same thing for the rest of "Free" Republic.
Marxist
2005-06-25 15:57 | User Profile
S,
Got kicked out after 2 posts.
The first post: I tried to fit in. The second: I tried to reason w/ them.
Sertorius
2005-06-25 16:02 | User Profile
M,
For the moment I only have this. [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_vb_email_notification[/url] ================
I'm not surprised about you being kicked off. The problem with that mob is that they don't think-- they emote, so logic and reason are in very short supply there. Myself and a number of others here have been removed from the board as well primarily for posting articles showing the evils that result from uncontrolled immigration. The other thing that will get you removed is any criticism of Israel. The junior ADL runs that boad as you probably know.
JohnWRedelfs
2005-06-26 00:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Angeleyes,
Greetings and welcome to the board.
Traditional conservatism is also known as Paleoconservatism. The folks who founded the board did it in reaction to the censorship of Jim Robinson of "Free" Republic ill repute. There, the Paleocon position as represented by Pat Buchanan and the late Dr. Sam Francis was suppressed. Since the founding the board has attracted a number of views that aren't always in tune with Paleoconservatism, yet, there is one view that 99% of us agree on and that is that "neoconservatism" (sic) is a destructive doctrine that has its roots in Trotskyism. This is what "conservatism" today has morphed into. This is how I see things here.
If you have additional questions please feel free to ask.[/QUOTE] I have joined OD to find out if I'm a paleoconservative or not. I like most of the views of Pat Buchanan, but not all of them. Mostly I disagree with him about legal immigration which I feel should encourage substantial immigration of good people truly seeking freedom and are willing to be responsible, law abiding citizens of the country.
However, I agree with him about illegal immigration. There should be no illegal immigration whatsoever. Without control of our borders, the USA is not a sovereign nation. As far as freedom goes, the USA is the last and best hope of the human race. If we ever lose our sovereignty, the whole human race is lost. There will be no freedom anywhere.
What are the main reasons given by those who don't like Pat Buchanan?
SteamshipTime
2005-06-26 00:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JohnWRedelfs]I have joined OD to find out if I'm a paleoconservative or not. I like most of the views of Pat Buchanan, but not all of them. Mostly I disagree with him about legal immigration which I feel should encourage substantial immigration of good people truly seeking freedom and are willing to be responsible, law abiding citizens of the country ... [/QUOTE] John, I don't buy into the belief that race equals destiny, but in terms of immigration policy and building a cohesive, paleoconservative polity, you are going to have to take it into account.
madrussian
2005-06-26 01:10 | User Profile
The thing about legal vs. illegal immigration is, it may become a matter of sematics once laws are "fixed". And the problem with current legal immigration is, there are few whites immigrating. Do you really want all those chinks and hindumonkeys taking jobs from Americans and forming their ethnic clans?
FourteenWords
2005-07-01 05:47 | User Profile
Hello,
I'm a White Nationalist trying to take a second stab at OD. I'm not Christian like I'm sure most of you are, but at least the conversation here is a bit more intelligent than other racially conscious forums, if you know what I mean.
FourteenWords
Brian Hassett
2005-07-01 13:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FourteenWords]Hello,
I'm a White Nationalist trying to take a second stab at OD. I'm not Christian like I'm sure most of you are, but at least the conversation here is a bit more intelligent than other racially conscious forums, if you know what I mean.
FourteenWords[/QUOTE] Hello 14words.
It's funny that some of those boards with the most hard core racists are filled with people who can't spell, understand basic concepts or extend common civility; then they turn around and claim to be part of the master race. Clearly, we need to devise a more rational paradigm to address our concerns to our people and abandon the tried and failed concept of the WNs organization based on the leadership principle. Whether it was the Klan, NSM, the NA, or EURO, not one of these organizations has ever come close to entering the mainstream consciousness.
Ponce
2005-07-01 20:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]Hello 14words.
It's funny that some of those boards with the most hard core racists are filled with people who can't spell, understand basic concepts or extend common civility; then they turn around and claim to be part of the master race. Clearly, we need to devise a more rational paradigm to address our concerns to our people and abandon the tried and failed concept of the WNs organization based on the leadership principle. Whether it was the Klan, NSM, the NA, or EURO, not one of these organizations has ever come close to entering the mainstream consciousness.[/QUOTE]
Well Brian I am a dumb Cuban refugee with a 10th grade education who can't spell worth a darn and if to be anti-Israeli (Zionist) is to be a "racist" then I guess that I am one or those that you are talking about.
As for being part of the "master race?"....I am against the Zionists who call themselves "THE CHOSEN ONES" and who thinks that THEY ARE the master race.
I am a plain guy who don't mince words and use plain English in order for everyone to understand me......how many words did I missppeled? :evil:
White Elite
2005-07-08 10:08 | User Profile
Greetings. New Member here. Looking for sane and reasonable free speech for white people. Tired of the PC madness on one side and psycho Nazis on the other. This place seems relatively sane and cultured. Glad to be here.
Quantrill
2005-07-08 14:11 | User Profile
Welcome, White Elite. I hope you enjoy your stay.
Justin Lee
2005-07-08 18:54 | User Profile
Hello.
I can't edit my profile. This makes Justin a sad panda.:cry:
311inAZ
2005-07-12 11:08 | User Profile
but since I'm here I may as well introduce myself. I'm a Christian, American White Nationalist which is not your run of the mill type WN, Southern Separatist (citizen of the CSA by birthright and a citizen of the USA by force of arms only), and I've been called many other things, some good and some not so good. However, all I really wanted to be was a rock star and get my money for nothing and my women for free! Oh well, you can't win 'em all I reckon.
Looks like I may have found some kindred spirits here.
Greetings from Arizona! K
311inAZ
2005-07-12 11:32 | User Profile
I can't seem to start any new threads in the Immigration (a area I have a little expertise in) or Science and Technology (a area I used to have some knowledge of before my copious consumption of Wild Turkey) forums??? Hey Brian Hassett, since you referred me here, what gives?
K
Brian Hassett
2005-07-12 13:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]I can't seem to start any new threads in the Immigration (a area I have a little expertise in) or Science and Technology (a area I used to have some knowledge of before my copious consumption of Wild Turkey) forums??? Hey Brian Hassett, since you referred me here, what gives?
K[/QUOTE] Beats me, you have to ask one of the mods. More than likely, it has something to do with post count.
Welcome to the board, btw. You may be a Southern Confederate, but I'll forgive you anyway.
Quantrill
2005-07-12 16:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]I can't seem to start any new threads in the Immigration (a area I have a little expertise in) or Science and Technology (a area I used to have some knowledge of before my copious consumption of Wild Turkey) forums??? Hey Brian Hassett, since you referred me here, what gives?[/QUOTE] Due to some recent unpleasantness, I believe new members must have made at least 10 posts before they are able to begin new threads.
Q
311inAZ
2005-07-12 19:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Due to some recent unpleasantness, I believe new members must have made at least 10 posts before they are able to begin new threads.
Q[/QUOTE]
No problem as I should be able to find some good threads that I can contribute in a positive way to get my post count up rather quickly.
K
Brian Hassett
2005-07-12 19:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]No problem as I should be able to find some good threads that I can contribute in a positive way to get my post count up rather quickly.
K[/QUOTE] Living on the front lines, you'll certainly bring a great perspective of how bad things are getting in the SouthWest that those of us in 99% white areas don't quite grasp yet.
Bruce
2005-07-19 02:41 | User Profile
Howdy Strangers. :gunsmilie
Quantrill
2005-07-19 11:45 | User Profile
Welcome, Bruce.
siren
2005-07-22 21:21 | User Profile
Hi everyone! siren
Ponce
2005-07-23 01:49 | User Profile
Hi Siren, welcome.
Brian Foley
2005-07-23 03:33 | User Profile
Hello OD I am a 41 year old Australian , I live in Cairns in Northern Queensland above The Tropic Of Capricorn on The Coral Sea . I believe Americans are being hoodwinked over the true reasons of prosecuting this war on terror . I believe Israel is a parasite on the US nation , as well as the German nation . I believe America's allies such as Australia and Britain are with America only for financial gain not freindship , ie Australia is holding out for a freetrade deal with the US market . My personal interests are surfing , getting drunk on Saturdays and being a general nusiance to neighbours .
Ponce
2005-07-23 05:17 | User Profile
Welcome buddy, we need more anti-parasite in this forum and world wide.
Cuban here in Oregon, to know me is to love me.....but for Tex hahahahaha.
311inAZ
2005-07-24 07:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=siren]Hi everyone! siren[/QUOTE]
I have a feeing I know you. Let me guess, you are a very beautiful lady and live in the northwest part of the country. In addition, you have a intellect to match your beauty. Plus I referred you. Am I right? Anyway, whoever you are, welcome to OD.
K
Okiereddust
2005-07-24 07:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Foley]Hello OD [/QUOTE]Welcome aboad Brian. Sounds like a good ODer to me. Golly Cairns is way up North. Do you ever have to steer your surfboard around an occasional croc? :wink:
311inAZ
2005-07-24 09:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Welcome aboad Brian. Sounds like a good ODer to me. Golly Cairns is way up North. Do you ever have to steer your surfboard around an occasional croc? :wink:[/QUOTE]
Interesting observation re: possibly surfing near a saltwater croc - big bad people eating pre-historic critters and make neat handbags for the ladies and boots for us Arizona alligator removal specialists (believe it or not a few pop up in our local lakes and streams on occassions).
K
siren
2005-07-25 00:15 | User Profile
None other! 311inAZ,
Thank You for referring me here. I agree with you, a much needed improvement. I'm looking forward to informed and a more academic debate with my fellow compatriots!
Be safe in AZ!
Brian Hassett
2005-07-25 15:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=siren]None other! 311inAZ,
Thank You for referring me here. I agree with you, a much needed improvement. I'm looking forward to informed and a more academic debate with my fellow compatriots!
Be safe in AZ![/QUOTE] Sieg Heil, 88/14, Rahowa, death to ZOG, WHITE POWER!!!
311inAZ
2005-07-25 23:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]Sieg Heil, 88/14, Rahowa, death to ZOG, WHITE POWER!!![/QUOTE]
I could've sworn I was back at Stormfront for a moment, lol.
K
Brian Hassett
2005-07-26 01:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]I could've sworn I was back at Stormfront for a moment, lol.
K[/QUOTE] The one nice thing about this board is my pms normally don't start with "88/14" and all that other nonsense.
Bruce
2005-07-27 20:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]I could've sworn I was back at Stormfront for a moment, lol.
K[/QUOTE]
Perhaps all we need is a Med vs. Nordic thread for nostalgic old times sakes. :jester:
Oh yeah, 14/88! :nerd:
MistWraith
2005-07-27 20:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bruce]Perhaps all we need is a Med vs. Nordic thread for nostalgic old times sakes. :jester:
Oh yeah, 14/88! :nerd:[/QUOTE] Or we can play The Blame Game. :clown:
Brian Hassett
2005-07-27 20:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MistWraith]Or we can play The Blame Game. :clown:[/QUOTE] Don't make me use the infamous 'F' word Misty.
MistWraith
2005-07-27 21:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]Don't make me use the infamous 'F' word Misty.[/QUOTE]
I'll just fire back with the "J" word.
WFHermans
2005-07-31 11:32 | User Profile
"Most ââ¬Ëbigotryââ¬â¢ is the act of noticing the truth. Blacks are genetically intellectually inferior, always have been, always will be. Except for music and sports, they will always be on the bottom. Theyââ¬â¢ve never had a culture worthy of the name, never will. Asians have an ages-old group mentality that I doubt can be eradicated. They have no creativity, and I doubt anything can be done about that, either. There never was a Muslim Golden Age. Most of it consisted of stealing from Christians and Jews. Islam was, and always will be, an intellectually and morally dead obscenity. It is the worst thing that has happened to the world. Jews will always be ostracized because of their attempts to destroy every culture that admits them. Whites will always be on top, Asians right underneath them, Mexicans far below, and blacks right at the bottom. Nearly everything in the world has been created by Western Christian civilization, especially in America since 1776."
Hello all, I stumbled upon this forum after reading that the above text was posted here. I see that almost all good posters of the old Phora are posting here.
il ragno
2005-07-31 15:24 | User Profile
WazzupwazzupwazZUP, W.F.?
Walter Yannis
2005-08-01 12:04 | User Profile
I did a tour of an archeological dig in Turkey not long ago. It was the ruins of the church where St. Nicholas ruled his diocese, in the ancient Byzantine town of Myra.
As Mrs. Yannis and I were looking at the ruins of this lovely place that had been destroyed first by the Arabs, then by the Turks, the Muslim call to prayer boomed out from the mosque that was built (I'm sure deliberately) not 10 feet from the site.
It was one of those moments of clarity. I suddenly felt what a horrible loss to the world was the fall of Byzantium. It made me sick to my stomach. The loss, the irreparable loss.
I agree that Islam was a major step back for humanity. The Turks have never succeeded in even coming close to the cultural achievements of Byzantium. Whatever the Arabs achieved was completely derivative. Look at the names of the architects of the great mosques - they were nearly all Greeks, Armenians, or Zoroastrian Persians.
Our Turkish tour guide was quite an amiable fellow, who sang us Turkish folk songs on the bus. He was an educated man, and admitted to us that the Turks were a nomadic people who moved in from Central Asia in the eleventh century.
European Christendom is the light of civilization. We're idiots for failing to recognize it.
WFHermans
2005-08-02 20:23 | User Profile
Hello, Il Ragno, what an honour to have the best poster of the old Phora greeting me. I am happy to be here, the other phoramites are either at some pornography Phora or at the national-socialist Grossdeutschland forum.
I have to figure out how to work this damn forum, the newest posts are on top so now while I'm writing this post I have to look at at Drakmal, smirking jewess, and her november 2002 post. And I am not allowed to edit my options.
xmetalhead
2005-08-02 20:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I did a tour of an archeological dig in Turkey not long ago. It was the ruins of the church where St. Nicholas ruled his diocese, in the ancient Byzantine town of Myra.
As Mrs. Yannis and I were looking at the ruins of this lovely place that had been destroyed first by the Arabs, then by the Turks, the Muslim call to prayer boomed out from the mosque that was built (I'm sure deliberately) not 10 feet from the site.
It was one of those moments of clarity. I suddenly felt what a horrible loss to the world was the fall of Byzantium. It made me sick to my stomach. The loss, the irreparable loss.
I agree that Islam was a major step back for humanity. The Turks have never succeeded in even coming close to the cultural achievements of Byzantium. Whatever the Arabs achieved was completely derivative. Look at the names of the architects of the great mosques - they were nearly all Greeks, Armenians, or Zoroastrian Persians.
Our Turkish tour guide was quite an amiable fellow, who sang us Turkish folk songs on the bus. He was an educated man, and admitted to us that the Turks were a nomadic people who moved in from Central Asia in the eleventh century.
European Christendom is the light of civilization. We're idiots for failing to recognize it.[/QUOTE]
Excellent summary of your trip to Turkey, Walter. I've felt similiar feelings even in Western Europe when touring the great castles, manors, and cathedrals only to see a Somali outside the gate selling souvenirs/and or begging. We've spoiled a precious gift indeed.
Xforce80
2005-08-05 12:51 | User Profile
As you can tell, I'm new here. I'd like to introduce myself to the members so that at least you have an idea of who I am personally. I live in CT, am a Catholic, married to an Evangelical with two girls aged 10 & 14. I work in healthcare and am a volunteer first responder. I served in the USAFR from 81-87, met Ronald Reagan (great man) at my post and did a photo op with him (cast my first and second presidential vote for him). I am here to learn about my conservative brothers, I'm a moderate. If I am asked to leave because of this I will do so peacefully. Peace is a cause very dear to my heart. I consider traditional conservatives one of the weathervanes of the Republican party. When conservatives were screaming about Bush that caught my attention. I did not vote for him either time....a first for me not to vote my own party. I am very open to polite discussion. I don't get into heated arguments because it takes away from the message one wishes to convey. If I missed any information that one wishes to know, please ask. I'm a friendly guy who won't bite! :wink: Stay Safe
Xforce80
2005-08-05 14:03 | User Profile
I received my email to activate my account but I am not allowed to post new topics. Are there restrictions that I am unaware of? I also am denied access to my account. Stay Safe
MadScienceType
2005-08-05 14:48 | User Profile
Xforce80,
First off, welcome to the forum. I hope you'll enjoy your stay and maybe we can learn each other a few things in the process.
The difficulties you are having with your account stem from an overabundance of trolls we've been having lately, so the Administrator has decided to put in a post-count limit before you can start new topic (ten at last count). This is designed to prevent the hit-and-run posters who spam/troll here occasionally from just posting a bunch of new topics that are off-topic and disruptive and then vamoosing. So, after a little while, you'll be able to start new topics. In the meantime, just cruise around and familiarize yourself with the place.
Welcome aboard!
Ponce
2005-08-05 15:24 | User Profile
Hi X and welcome.......about the only rules that I know about is no cursing and no personal attacks.
I am Ponce from Cuba and a anti-Zionist pro-Palestinian and a survivalist nut who is waiting for TEOTWAWKI and with Bust at the control of this country there is a very good chance that it will happen.
Xforce80
2005-08-05 15:36 | User Profile
Now that I have an understanding of what's what I'm not so confused anymore. I'm glad about the "cursing" and "name calling" rules. I've been to a couple of conservative and liberal boards and my posts were met with personal attacks. I left out of disgust. One other thing I would like everyone to know, I am the founder of "Republicans For Integrity" which is currently a Yahoo group that focuses on both praise and admonishment of Republican leaders. This was born out of a deep division in the party over GWB. Hopefully my discussions here will help me further a cause for the return to traditional Republican ideologies. Stay Safe
Xforce80
2005-08-05 15:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Hi X and welcome.......about the only rules that I know about is no cursing and no personal attacks.
I am Ponce from Cuba and a anti-Zionist pro-Palestinian and a survivalist nut who is waiting for TEOTWAWKI and with Bust at the control of this country there is a very good chance that it will happen.[/QUOTE] I agree with your assessment of Bush. One of my complaints is the use of depleted uranium munitions which is now being looked at by the UN. If you do a search for it on any search site you'll be amazed at how many hits you get for and against their use. Uranium is a dangerous radioactive metal that can never be made "safe" to be around. Stay Safe
xmetalhead
2005-08-05 15:47 | User Profile
Welcome Xforce from Connecticut, I'm Xmetal from Zoo York, nice to have you here and may the Dissent be with you.
And as for the state of Connecticut, hot darn there's a ton of Mexicans up there nowadays! I remember back in the late 70's there used to be Klan marches up there, now it's nothing but the march of La Raza de Mariachis de Me-heee-co.
Oh, yea, and Bush is a disgrace.
Xforce80
2005-08-05 15:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Welcome Xforce from Connecticut, I'm Xmetal from Zoo York, nice to have your here and may the Dissent be with you.
And as for the state of Connecticut, hot darn there's a ton of Mexicans up there nowadays! I remember back in the late 70's there used to be Klan marches up there, now it's nothing but the march of La Raza de Mariachis de Me-heee-co.
Oh, yea, and Bush is a disgrace.[/QUOTE] New York? I was born and raised in Freeport L.I.! Great to meet you! Stay Safe
wicked88
2005-08-07 16:42 | User Profile
lo all
TexasRebel1980
2005-08-09 01:27 | User Profile
Im Jeremy from Texas. Im a 25yr old security guard who has finally seen the light. Im sadden to see how down trodden my state has become. I want to become educated and be able to help bring her back to her rightfull state of being.
Hivemindgammahydra7
2005-08-09 07:36 | User Profile
[font=Times New Roman][size=3]Hivemind has arrived, courtesy of JoseyWales...[/size][/font]
JoseyWales
2005-08-09 12:34 | User Profile
well, its about time
welcome.
;)
Quantrill
2005-08-09 12:36 | User Profile
Good to see so many new members. Welcome, all of you.
Walter Yannis
2005-08-09 16:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasRebel1980]Im Jeremy from Texas. Im a 25yr old security guard who has finally seen the light. Im sadden to see how down trodden my state has become. I want to become educated and be able to help bring her back to her rightfull state of being.[/QUOTE]
Hi, TexasRebel.
I'm from Green Bay.
I guess you're too young to remember the "Ice Bowl" - the NFL Championship between the Packers and the Cowboys. That was the game where Greem Bay's Bart Starr won the game by a daring quarterback sneak up the middle with seconds remaining on the clock.
Ah, memories!
Genevan
2005-08-12 01:49 | User Profile
I'm scarily close to gray hair. I suppose the silver lining is that in many ways, I've grown up. That is, I've grown more disciplined and resolved. Yet at the same time a youthful fire still burns within.
No, I'm not from Geneva, Switzerland. This man is all-American. My nym is homage to the Geneva of John Calvin. Yeah, in case, you're still wondering: I'm a Christian Nationalist.
I'll post my ideas for a Christian Nationalist Party Platform soon as I have the posting privileges to do so. Keep up the good work**s**, folks! :starwars:
KyrstenGittings
2005-08-12 23:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Oh, yea, and Bush is a disgrace.[/QUOTE] I agree. No more bloodshed for Israel.
Fenrir
2005-08-13 08:38 | User Profile
Hello, how many posts do I need before I can start a thread? I wish to pose a question to the gallery. That is, when is Niccolo's PIE going to come back online?
starr
2005-08-13 08:49 | User Profile
Fade said next Monday, most likely.
Fenrir
2005-08-13 08:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]Fade said next Monday, most likely.[/QUOTE] Ah, thanks.
Ponce
2005-08-13 16:47 | User Profile
Hello Fenrir, 10 and welcome
Last_Chance_Armada
2005-08-19 01:35 | User Profile
I believe it was the alcoholic & warmongering Winston Churchill who nevertheless made a good quote regarding picking political opinions before the age of 30. Well, I'm 31 years old, and I have finally settled on paleoconservatism for the most part and I have strong anti-Zionist and pro-WN leanings (although they are more of the American Renaissance variety than the Alex Linder!) You may term me a "conservative revolutionary", although that's a pretty broad brush.
One of my hobbies is reading influential right-wing thinkers of the past. I'm currently reading Brooks Adams' "Law of Civilization and Decay." I've read quite a bit of Spengler and Burckhardt. I'm glad to see there is a forum of similar-minded individuals since to be honest I've felt like I was asphyxiating in solitude.
Intelligent paleoconservatives are definitely a lot to be reckoned with intellectually. Perhaps there's something noble and inherently telling about peopel who can cut through so much ----s--t and propaganda before they finally see the light.
Faust
2005-08-19 01:42 | User Profile
Last_Chance_Armada,
Great Post and Welcome to the Forum.
Angler
2005-08-19 13:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Last_Chance_Armada]I believe it was the alcoholic & warmongering Winston Churchill who nevertheless made a good quote regarding picking political opinions before the age of 30. Well, I'm 31 years old, and I have finally settled on paleoconservatism for the most part and I have strong anti-Zionist and pro-WN leanings (although they are more of the American Renaissance variety than the Alex Linder!) You may term me a "conservative revolutionary", although that's a pretty broad brush...[/QUOTE]You'll fit right in here for sure, LCA. Welcome!
Sertorius
2005-08-19 13:58 | User Profile
Armada,
Greetings and welcome to the board. There is a considerable amount of Paleoconservative material on the board, particularly in the immigration forum and Neocon Watch forum.
Blaphbee
2005-08-20 01:26 | User Profile
Greetings all.
Stumbled over this board in the past, but never thought to sign up.
Hope I can contribute in a positive manner here.
savrola
2005-08-29 17:57 | User Profile
Well, LF is down, so here I am.
seeker
2005-08-29 22:35 | User Profile
Greetings everyone. Looks like a good forum. Thanks for the opportunity to join in.
Quantrill
2005-08-30 15:06 | User Profile
Welcome to all the new members.
H.A.L.2006
2005-09-01 23:06 | User Profile
Like most members before me, I have read posts for a while, quietly pleased that such insights (or attempts thereof) can still be found. I will rarely post, but if I am behooved, don't be surprised if I come off a bit on the lighter side of the paleo coin. It was not but too long ago that I finally dismissed reading any more NR, fed up at its inability to maintain "core" values. In fact, its increasing approval for all things Shrub have diminished any remaining legitimacy it (or WFB) once held (in my eyes, of course).
about myself: mid-20's, South-side VA raised, proffession involves tax law [the real revolution happens when we decide to stop paying taxes].
Sertorius
2005-09-01 23:18 | User Profile
Welcome, Hal.
Refinersfire
2005-09-09 22:45 | User Profile
Just wanted to say Hi.. will take some time and look around and get to know who's who and what's what..
Refinersfire
2005-09-09 22:47 | User Profile
Have you and I crossed paths before? (LP?)
Galahad
2005-09-15 04:27 | User Profile
Hi. I'm new.
I can't start new threads.
How does that change?
Quantrill
2005-09-15 13:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Galahad]Hi. I'm new.
I can't start new threads.
How does that change?[/QUOTE] Galahad, Welcome. You must make 10 posts before you are allowed to start new threads.
Q
Galahad
2005-09-15 22:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Galahad, Welcome. You must make 10 posts before you are allowed to start new threads.
Q[/QUOTE] Thanks!Now I'm down to 8! :smoke:
phoenix_rising
2005-09-20 06:27 | User Profile
Hello, I'm originally from LF. I currently also post on Speakeasy under this screen name. I see a lot of names from LF and Speakeasy so that's cool. I'm really looking for a third forum to post at and having tried a few others I thought I would try here. I'm not that into politics but I think I can come up with some interesting articles otherwise.
paul wolfowitz
2005-10-02 17:28 | User Profile
hello from europe i have been kicked out from a couple of forums the last weeks and hoppefully things will work out fine here
:biggrin:obviously english is not my first language so if i may do some grammar errors just remember that i choose the name paul wolfowitz because you see i tried to first take other names but they were all taken so when i had to choose for the fifth time a new nick i got tired and wrote paul wolfowitz because i knew nobody would have that name and i was right
cheers:cheers:
Sertorius
2005-10-02 17:53 | User Profile
Greetings, Paul.
Were you kicked off of "Free" Republic by any chance?
Don't worry about the grammer. There are a number of us that make mistakes too.
paul wolfowitz
2005-10-02 18:03 | User Profile
hello sertorius
no, not free republic or any other american forums it was a swedish and a russian one but now i am curious, can you give me the link to free republic is it one of those forums that have bill cristol as a rolemodell of a true american patriot :biggrin:
Sertorius
2005-10-02 18:46 | User Profile
Paul,
[url]http://www.freerepublic.com[/url] It is Bill Kristol, Geo. W. Bush and Ariel Sharon all rolled into one. If you do sign up use a harmless name. I don't think "Paul Wolfowitz" would go over very well there.
How did you run across us, if you don't mind me asking?
One other thing. You need to make ten posts before you can change an avatar or start threads.
paul wolfowitz
2005-10-02 19:02 | User Profile
i found this forum on google, dont remeber what subject i was originally looking for but i found this forum instead ten post, hmm that may explain why i couldnôt start a thread earlier
i am looking for old broadcasting from dr pierce and david duke the ones i am intrested is thoose topics in the late 80:s and first half of the 90:s such as the fall of the berlinwall, fall of the USSR, execution of caucescu, first gulf war, and the wars in jugoslavia
i want to know what theese two gentlemen had to say about those events
paul wolfowitz
2005-10-02 19:07 | User Profile
and kevin alfred storm of course
Sertorius
2005-10-02 19:31 | User Profile
I know what you are talking about and I am not sure what happen to the Pierce material. However, I'm sure there are folks here who can help you in that regard. Duke has some material on his website.
paul wolfowitz
2005-10-02 19:45 | User Profile
i know that national vanguard sometimes is publishing old material from dr pierce on nationalvanguard.com but i want more:cowboy:
if someone can help me getting those old materials it would be fantastic
Tomer
2005-10-03 21:37 | User Profile
Hello. I'm new here, so if anyone wants to help me and explain how I make posts or threads without replying, thanks.
So this is who I am: My name is Tomer. I'm an Israeli. My main contribution to the neoconservative agenda is a Hebrew language blog about the lies and half truths in Michael Moore's works. Recommend it to any Hebrew speaker you know. I think that both right wingers and left wingers might be interested in the debate.
I'm very interested in everything that is going on in the US politically, and consider myself a Bush supporter though I wouldn't call myself a "partyline Republican" (technically I'm not a Republican).
I enjoy debating and recently I've been spending a lot of time in the Springer blog of "Springer On The Radio". Jerry Springer is the only Air America anchor who is moderate enough to have a grownup discussion, so I respect him deeply for it, even though I disagree with some of his views.
Right now I'm the newest member here, but I hope to gradually become an old one.
Sertorius
2005-10-03 21:57 | User Profile
Greetings, Tomer,
I'm afraid you are in for a rude awakening here. Please see the folder entitled "Neocon Watch" on the forums page.
Dixie/75
2005-10-10 19:48 | User Profile
God Save the South.Iam a member of the Son's of Confederate Veterans from the Great State of Tennessee! Greetings all! My Camp is from Columbia,Tn Maj.General William D McCain (IHQ Camp # 584)I currently reside in Savannah,Tn I see a Familar name in here Josey Wales from O.com fame:wink:
vytis
2005-10-16 23:09 | User Profile
Welcome Dixie/75...I'm a member of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War through my great-grandfather, and I look forward to seeing your posts.
What the heck...If the North & South veterans of the Battle of Gettysburg could get together after the War and be on friendly terms, hopefully we can too.
Dixie/75
2005-10-18 21:33 | User Profile
[quote=vytis]Welcome Dixie/75...I'm a member of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War through my great-grandfather, and I look forward to seeing your posts.
What the heck...If the North & South veterans of the Battle of Gettysburg could get together after the War and be on friendly terms, hopefully we can too. Sounds good to me Iam sure I have Ancestors who fought for the Union also and Thanks for the welcome!My Paternal Great GrandFather name was George Washington Coleman Iam sure his Father fought on the Union Side!:cheers:
vytis
2005-10-18 23:48 | User Profile
Well Dixie/75, if the truth be known, my pappy always told me that we had kin who fought for the Confederacy also.
Hey...God bless, and welcome again! :smile:
Bacchus
2005-10-25 20:50 | User Profile
Hey all. Stumbled across this site a few weeks ago and I've liked the discussion I've seen. I'm looking forward to getting involved myself now.
BaconEggCheese
2005-10-31 15:46 | User Profile
Hi everybody,
first post! just wanted to stop by and say hi to all. a friend told me about this site, so i thought i would check it out!
looking forward to the discussion.
Graffin
2005-11-01 08:55 | User Profile
Well i'm not too sure what is going on with the few posts above mine, but I found a link to this site from another message board and I like what I see. I'll probably be around posting a bit.
EDIT: Can anyone tell me why I can't seem to edit my profile?
Quantrill
2005-11-01 17:23 | User Profile
Grafin, Some forum rights, such as starting new threads and, perhaps, editing your profile, are unavailable until a new member has 10 posts or more.
Cheers, Q
Graffin
2005-11-01 21:32 | User Profile
Ahh, thank you.