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Thread ID: 7027 | Posts: 6 | Started: 2003-05-31
2003-05-31 02:13 | User Profile
CBN.com ââ¬â JERUSALEM ââ¬â Events within Israel this past week have produced some historic moments. Many believe those events will have a profound impact on the future of the state of Israel. The week began with a groundbreaking vote within Ariel Sharon's cabinet. By a margin of 12 to 7 with four abstentions, the cabinet approved the road map peace plan that calls for a Palestinian state. It represented the first time Israel officially endorsed the idea of a Palestinian state. Yoseph Paritzki, a Shinui Party minister, said, "I will vote in favor of the road map issue. I think it is a good thing. I think the government should vote for it, and I think we should start forward." Sharon cabinet member Uzi Landau saw things differently. "It's quite clear. The road map is not a prescription for peace, but rather for more terrorism. It is really not expressing the vision of President Bush but rather the European political cynical interests. And I think that anyone here who really wants to have peace and wants to continue to combat terrorism cannot reward terrorism with this road map." The decision by Sharon's cabinet this past Sunday to approve the road map, with reservations, has brought a mixture of reactions from the Israeli public. One Israeli named Jonathan said, "I see this as an incredibly heartening step forward in reaching some sort of solution that canââ¬â¢t go on much longer. The Israeli people are reaching a breaking point." Another Israeli agreed. "I think itââ¬â¢s important that there are steps being taken now, especially now to start the peace process going again. Itââ¬â¢s been hard living here with all the violence and terror on both sides of the spectrum. And I think itââ¬â¢s a step in the right direction to really try and go forward with having two states." But other Israelis disagree. One said, "Unfortunately, the government went in a direction away from classical Zionism. Classical Zionism always wanted to build a Jewish state and Jewish values and Jewish understanding of the Bible." David Bedein with the Israel Resource News Agency also has reservations about the road map. "It makes Israel subservient to the U.S. State Department, and creates a situation where Israel loses some of its independence. And that is the most frightening thing that happened on Sunday in the cabinet meeting." While cabinet ministers were divided over the impact of the road map, Hamas said the vote in favor of the plan represented Israel's attempt to get an advantage over the Palestinians. Hamas leader Abed Al Aziz Rantisi said, "The road map is a security plan aiming to stop the resistance of Palestinians for the sake of the occupation of Israelis, for the sake of building more and more settlements and changing the situation more and more on the ground for the sake of the Israelis." Considering that attitude, some see the recent actions and statements of Ariel Sharon in light of U.S. pressure. For example, this week, for the first time publicly, Sharon called Israel's presence in the West Bank and Gaza "occupation." Although he backtracked the next day, to many the statement and the earlier vote represented the crossing of a critical threshold and a reflection of U.S. influence. "I would say that the vote was largely the result of heavy pressure from the United States. Specifically from the Bush administration, from the White House," said Michael Freund, a former deputy communications director under Benjamin Netanyahu. He sees the weekââ¬â¢s events in a biblical perspective. "The road map is a defiance of the Divine will. It is an attempt to subvert God's promise to the people of Israel, that the Holy Land would be theirs and only theirs," Freund said. "We need to appeal to George W. Bush as a man of faith. We need to remind him to open his Bible and look in the Book of Genesis and elsewhere and to see that this land was promised to the people of Israel and no one else." Freund believes that the main way to oppose the road map is to help President Bush see that if he divides Israel, he will also divide the American electorate. "I think that in order to stop the road map and to save the state of Israel, the time has come for American Jews and American Christians to rise up in protest against this plan. In other words, I think the focus of our efforts need not be in Jerusalem, not in Ramallah or the capitals of Europe, but in Washington D.C.," he said. "The President needs to understand he will pay a heavy political price in November 2004 should he push ahead with the road map, should he push ahead to force Israel to accept the establishment of a Palestinian state."
I watched this broadcast and you could really see the Likudnik wince a little ('time to say the magic words') when he invoked God. I doubt he's any kind of believer.
2003-05-31 02:18 | User Profile
Can I hear a big shout of AMEN from my brothers and sisters down there...
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2003-05-31 02:37 | User Profile
... well no...
these bastards think they are GOD.
2003-05-31 02:39 | User Profile
I saw Pat Robertson make these arguments today on The 700 Club and I was very displeased with the sheer stupidity he was serving up to his flock.
He said that if the U.S. forces Israel to compromise over the status of Jerusalem that we'd be "going against the word of God," and that "God would punish us whereas before he's helped us all these years." And I was thinking, "Yeah, right...God was there to defend America on 9/11, and he was there to protect the shuttle Columbia," and that's just two recent examples off the top of my head.
Regardless of one's religious beliefs, I'm sure most of us can agree that American foreign policy should not be determined on the basis of what we interpret God wants us to do. That's just dangerous, irrational territory.
Pat Robertson's toadying for Israel really makes me miss the Clinton Administration. I'd give anything to have Hillary come back and order the IRS to investigate CBN for using its religious tax privileges and such to mask its pro-Israel/pro-GOP political activities. At least the ACLU-style Democrats would throw a monkeywrench into the ability of the Christian Zionists to funnel money and resources into the political process.
2003-05-31 04:43 | User Profile
Christian Zionists...can more loathsome creatures exist? Ugh....
Speaking of the Road Map, I was sent this flash cartoon, and boy...if it doesn't just scream "JEW" in its psychotic hatred of the goyim and maniacally vengeful mindset, then I don't know what does.
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2003-06-01 10:44 | User Profile
Instead of ordinary Americans staring in horror & disbelief at their bloody stumps, Pat Robertson, his carbon-copy idiot son, Big Jerry, Moist Ralph, the Leghound and all the rest of that mass of fools ought to face the wrath of the rabid Muslim suicide monkeys right along with the zhids they carry water for. They're all absolutist religious fanatics for whom any compromise based on common sense is "blasphemy"
Let them all exterminate each other and have done with it. The sooner the better.
Thus saith the Lord.