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2003-05-30 20:59 | User Profile
Gun Confiscaiton Program Kills Four American Soldiers American MKVD at work in Iraq.
I read an article a few years back on the Civil War Two Site by an American Soldier, on how when he was in Hatti he and men were ordered to start Gun Confiscaiton they burned the gun records they found at the police sation and did not Confiscaiton an guns. Still some good Americans left in our Army a few years back.
**Gun Confiscaiton Program Kills Four American Soldiers Helicopter Shot Down, Police Station Burned After US Troops Attempt House To House Search For Weapons
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Helicopter Downed, 4 U.S. Soldiers Killed In Iraq: Jazeera
The downed U.S. helicopter
CAIRO, May 28 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) ââ¬â Four U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq on Wednesday, May 28, when their helicopter was downed, as demonstrators in the capital slammed the American civil administratorââ¬â¢s decision to dissolve ministries of defense and information as well as the ââ¬Åprovocativeââ¬Â acts of the occupation troops.
The four soldiers were killed when their helicopter was downed in the town of Hit, 90 miles northwest of Baghdad, Al-Jazeera television said.
The Pentagon said it had no information on any missing or crashed U.S. helicopter in Iraq, and that the U.S. occupation forces in Baghdad knew of no such incident but that checks were being made, Reuters reported.
Al-Jazeera correspondent quoted witnesses in the town, saying that they downed the plane ââ¬Åin response to the U.S. military provocationsââ¬Â.
ââ¬ÅThere are 200 people ready to blew themselves up against U.S. military targets after the occupation forces trundled into the town and stormed into its houses,ââ¬Â said one eyewitness.
Other witnesses said the helicopter crashed during clashes after some angry residents attacked a local police station and set fire to it.
The residents were furious that Iraqi police helped the invading forces in house-to- house searches allegedly for weapons, said Al-Jazeera reported.
The correspondent said that one of the key figures in the town made a deal with the U.S. forces to withdraw from the area within four hours to avoid more bloody clashes with the residents.
The correspondent was interrupted several times during his live transmission by what sounded like a crowd chanting anti-U.S. slogans and vowing revenge.
ââ¬ÅChildren and women were panicked at the U.S. soldiers entering their houses and carrying out their search,ââ¬Â said one eyewitness.
People in Iraq complain that American forces detain people at checkpoints for no justified reasons and carry out other ââ¬Åprovocativeââ¬Â acts.
ââ¬ÅThe Americans were provocatively searching civilian cars, paying no respect to the residents of Falluja,ââ¬Â Saqr Abdul Rahman, an eyewitness to Tuesdayââ¬â¢s resistance attack, told IslamOnline.net in the city in which two U.S. soldiers were killed and nine others injured on Tuesday, May 27.
An American helicopter trying to evacuate the wounded was also shot down during the fire fighting. This came a day after four U.S. soldiers were killed and six others wounded amid a flare-up of resistance activity across occupied Iraq.
Iraqis complain the U.S. military practices are ââ¬Åprovocativeââ¬Â
Fallujah has seen growing anti-American sentiments since the forces trundled into it few weeks ago. Demonstrations calling for an end to occupation left 19 civilians dead and 76 at least injured by the U.S. gunfire on April 28 and 30. Seven U.S. soldiers were wounded in a grenade attack in the city few days afterwards.
Demonstrations
Meanwhile, a demonstration erupted in the Iraqi capital against U.S. civil administrator Paul Bremerââ¬â¢s decision to dissolve the ministries of defense and information.
The demonstrators, mostly students of the Iraqi military engineering faculty and former civil servants of the Information Ministry.
ââ¬ÅWe are not blowing the former regimeââ¬â¢s trumpets, We are civilian citizens,ââ¬Â read one of the banners waived by former employees of the Information Ministry, the first to be hit by the U.S. missiles in the March 20 invasion.
They marched to the Republican Palace, where the U.S. civil administration is headquartered, and converged with the students of the Defense Ministryââ¬â¢s engineering faculty. The protestors handed out a letter to Bremer calling for reconsidering the dissolution decision
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2003-05-31 01:42 | User Profile
i plan to get an assault weapon. i can read the tea leaves.
2003-06-01 22:09 | User Profile
**Plan to confiscate Iraqi weapons may victimize innocent civilians, Libertarians say
WASHINGTON, DC -- An allied military plan to confiscate weapons in Iraq may destabilize the nation further by giving the green light to street thugs and Baath Party loyalists who are terrorizing innocent civilians, says the Libertarian Party.
"Imposing this gun grab is like declaring war on Iraq for a second time," said Geoffrey Neale, Libertarian Party chairman. "How many innocent men, women and children will be kidnapped, robbed or murdered because their U.S. 'protectors' turned self-defense into a crime?"
Iraqi citizens will be forced to surrender their heavy weapons under a proclamation expected this week from U.S. and British forces.
The goal, allied commanders say, is to stabilize the war-torn nation by confiscating arms such as AK-47s, grenades and machine guns wielded by criminal gangs, paramilitary groups and remnants of Saddam Hussein's government.
The demand for gun confiscation rests on the breathtakingly naïve belief that criminals -- whether in Iraq, the United States or anywhere else -- will obediently turn in their weapons, Neale added.
"If Saddam's henchmen wanted to surrender their guns to an occupying army they would have done so already," he said. "And if criminal gangs don't comply with laws against looting, murder and kidnapping they certainly won't comply with a new gun regulation.
"This weapons ban will just make all of their jobs easier by disarming their potential victims."
Though Iraqis will be permitted to keep small arms at home for protection, the heavier, soon-to-be-banned weapons may also be necessary for self-defense in the postwar mayhem, Libertarians point out.
"Why should Iraqi civilians have less of a right to choose their weapons than allied troops have to choose their weapons?" Neale asked.
"To the authorities who arrogantly claim that Iraqis don't 'need' an assault gun or a grenade, we say: Why don't you surrender your assault guns and grenades? If you really believe Iraqi citizens will be safer living under this gun control edict, set an example by complying with your own law."
The demand for the gun ban is actually a stark admission that occupation forces have failed in their most important, post-war mission of protecting the population, Neale said.
"Let's not punish innocent men, women and children for the U.S. military's inability to secure the peace," he said. "Wouldn't it be a tragedy if Iraqis who survived the horrors of Saddam Hussein became casualties of the U.S. government's gun grab?"
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2003-06-03 03:31 | User Profile
I find it rather ironic that we in America supposedly are to have guns to protect ourselves if our government turns on us, yet at the same time they called Hussein a maniacal dictator, but Iraq had ZERO gun control. Everyone in Iraq had a gun and Hussein remained in power. Now that we have the US controlling Iraq, we are taking their guns. Ironic?
2003-06-15 17:54 | User Profile
Well so far the Iraqi are not turning in their guns! The TV Network News said only a few hundred has been turned over. :P
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