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Thread ID: 6993 | Posts: 26 | Started: 2003-05-29
2003-05-29 23:59 | User Profile
Some people here may want to investigate this. It's full of philosemites and all kinds of elitist asshole "race realists" who clearly don't have the white race's best interests at heart. But there are also a lot of genuine white nationalists there who could use help debating with the christian zionists and other idiots.
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2003-05-30 00:25 | User Profile
Here's an example of the kind of sickening drivel that can be found here:
"> Why have they been expelled from EVERY SINGLE EUROPEAN NATION at
least once in that nation's history
I believe it's a case of "No good deed ever goes unpunished."ÃÂ The Jews took on the only job the Christians would allow them to take - that of moneylending, which the Christians felt was inherently too sinful for any Christian to do. What pissed off the Christians, and eventually Europeans, was the fact that the Jews got good at it.ÃÂ They made moneylending, banking, and finance into professions, and since they were the only ones in it, they had control of the money!ÃÂ So, the Europeans, group by group, became incensed, and kicked the successful Jewish bankers and financiers out of their countries.ÃÂ Each of these groups was proven to be the loser for that action, of course.ÃÂ But in the irony of life, the Jews are hated for havingexcellent skills at something the Christians initially felt too good to do.
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2003-05-30 00:29 | User Profile
I joined, W.R.I.T.O.S. I seem to remember something on VNN where they said a moderator for this mailing list said that the 'movement' recognizes and welcomes Jews as white.... :blink:
Jared Taylor is obviously a very intelligent, articulate spokesman for pro-white activism, but you know, opening the doors to our historic enemies isn't exactly a wise move....Oh and I just read that latest post from the list...clearly a classic case of kosher conservatism, even among those ostensibly dedicated to white racial interests.
2003-05-30 00:41 | User Profile
W.R.I.T.O.S :But in the irony of life, the Jews are hated for havingexcellent skills at something the Christians initially felt too good to do.
It's more ironic that it was the Knights Templar who were the bankers, etc., and set up and created the methods now used by the jews - interest, credit, and so on. But the church went after the Templars ... now look where we are. It's also interesting that jews like to take credit for the 'invention' of these financial machinations when they didn't create them at all. But that is their modus operandi.
2003-05-30 06:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roger Bannister@May 29 2003, 18:41 **W.R.I.T.O.S :But in the irony of life, the Jews are hated for havingexcellent skills at something the Christians initially felt too good to do.
It's more ironic that it was the Knights Templar who were the bankers, etc., and set up and created the methods now used by the jews - interest, credit, and so on. But the church went after the Templars ... now look where we are. It's also interesting that jews like to take credit for the 'invention' of these financial machinations when they didn't create them at all. But that is their modus operandi.**
There were also very rich Christian bankers in medieval Europe, as well as banking institutions run by Christians orders and groups like the Hanseatic League. The Church may have pushed bans on usury, but bankers never had trouble figuring out ways to obey the law and still de facto charge interest on loans.
It wasn't banking per se but Jewish business "ethics" which were attacked, which always seemed to magically result in the Jew dispossessing and controlling the Christian peasantry. If you want to see what happens when Jews were not ejected, consider the situation in Poland and Russia where Jews practically controlled all aspects of economic life; contra much moaning about pograms, Jews still consider this period in Eastern Europe to be one of their "golden ages" precisely because they were allowed to practice their "business" skills unimpeded, in exchange for acting as the middle men of the corrupt and treasonous local Christian nobility.
This Jewish stranglehold on economic life accounts for the failure of a Christian middle class to emerge, resulting in centuries of economic and cultural retardation of Eastern Europe in comparison to Western Europe, where the Jews were combatted effectively enough, and long enough, to allow for the emergence of a genuine Chritistian middle class. Consider the long cultural boom and economic expansion of England after the Jews were expelled. Spain is cited as a counter example, but Spain's decline was very gradual and came long after the Jews were expelled; if Spain is to be blamed, it is for not expelling its Jews soon enough; by 1492 it was too late for Spain to follow the economic path being lead by the middle classes in Northern Europe.
2003-05-30 07:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by W.R.I.T.O.S@May 29 2003, 18:59 ** Some people here may want to investigate this. **
We've gotten a number of hits from there, so somebody's plugging us on that list.
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2003-05-30 12:47 | User Profile
I just joined. I like AR, kosher warts and all.
2003-05-30 13:57 | User Profile
Roger B: It's more ironic that it was the Knights Templar who were the bankers, etc., and set up and created the methods now used by the jews - interest, credit, and so on. But the church went after the Templars ..
We've been reading books that suggest the Templars got their money and 'directions' from scrolls they dug up from under Herod's Temple in Jerusalem (which they already KNEW were there!), and that the 'founders' of the Templars were, in fact, DESCENDENTS of the Davidic kingly line of the JEWS!
(The Hiram Key, The Second Messiah, Rosslyn, The Temple and the Lodge)
Very very interesting ideas these books postulate...
(The Church went after the Templars because Phillipe le Bel wanted their gold -- the French king was strapped, and made up a LOT of stuff to turn the Templars into 'heretics' (which they seemingly really WERE, but it was a financial assault, not a religious one; heresy was just the tool to get the money!) -- and "his" Pope (whom Phillipe had a big hand in 'getting elected') went along for his cut!)
2003-05-30 20:43 | User Profile
The e-list moderators just put the kibosh on discussions of the kosher. One of the shriller anti-anti-Semites (said Jews were "the pinnacle of Western Civilization" or something like that, I'm exaggerating a little for fun but not much) then promptly posted a Sam Francis VDARE piece about the "race is an illusion" PBS series. Francis' article names one "Adelman" as the producer and the one and only Stephen Jay Gould as one of the featured scientists.
It is curious, the censorship. Seems to me that when discussion of Jews is banned, Jews win.
But in the AR world, maybe that makes sense. They are, after all, White.
2003-05-31 02:29 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@May 30 2003, 05:57 ** We've been reading books that suggest the Templars got their money and 'directions' from scrolls they dug up from under Herod's Temple in Jerusalem (which they already KNEW were there!), and that the 'founders' of the Templars were, in fact, DESCENDENTS of the Davidic kingly line of the JEWS!
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Your post and Roger's are interesting. I haven't read anything that stated the Templars were decendants of "jews". I had read that whatever they managed to dig up in the "Holy Land" gave the power brokers in the church the "willies" so to speak. The material (scrolls, etc.) pointed to the descendants of Jesus entering Europe (France, The Merovingians, etc.) and that the church gave them leeway as it felt the Knights could topple the church with this info. As an aside, supposedly other "secrets" came from the Templar's excavations, knowledge concerning architecture, the true background/history of man's origins, and so forth. Anyway, the Templars were a great benefit for the church for awhile, but in the end, they and the Cathars and others were soon sent to the flames or packing by the church after it had gained immense power and authority. It wasn't all about money, but it was all about money, if you get my drift. Man, this is getting beyond the scope of this thread.
Whatever the real truth behind a lot of this, the fact is that the Christians/Europeans had financial control in their hands, and turned it over to a malevolent, dishonest, secretive, hateful group of aliens. The same group that has uninformed or intimidated WN's bamboozled.
2003-06-11 22:07 | User Profile
I remember "George the Corgi". The vile talmudists have to be recognized for what they are -- enemies of Western Civilization.
2003-06-11 22:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Jun 11 2003, 17:59 ** Perhaps those of you who posted over at FR might remember a poster named "George the Corgi," who would post there with impunity until he directed a personal attack at one of the moderators or something along those lines. Corgi Boy is a proud, self-proclaimed member and promoter of the thuggish JDL, an admirer of William Kristol's Zionist warmongering, and among other things, he has posted calls for Israel to exterminate the Arabs and for the US to kill off all Russians as punishment for "pogroms." Most loathsome of all, he has stated that America rather than Israel should serve as the promised land (i.e. international headquarters) for Jewry (then again, isn't this what the current situation in America is)?
Now he's styling himself as a great anti-negro crusader (kind of late after all your tribe has done to advance the negro cause in the US, isn't it, corgi?) and has wormed his way into American Renaissance. This is what happens when Taylor opens the doors to the Tribe...it's only a matter of time when AmRen's priorities get shifted from serving White interests to serving specifically Jewish interests. What's next, a "Defense of Israel" fund at AmRen a la David Horowitz? Or perhaps joint AmRen/JDL meetings?
Jared Taylor is a smart man. He should recognize what Jewish neocons did to National Review when Buckley let them in and what they did to the GOP when Nixon, Reagan and others welcomed them aboard. He should start by asking his moderators to nip this "corgi" weed at the bud before more of his ilk infiltrate AmRen and coopt it to serve their Tribal agendas. **
AY,
It might be amusing to post your expose of George the Corgi onto the arlist. I wonder what would happen. There'd be fireworks, at least. :lol:
2003-06-11 22:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 11 2003, 16:27 ** AY,
It might be amusing to post your expose of George the Corgi onto the arlist. I wonder what would happen. There'd be fireworks, at least. :lol: **
Fat chance of that happening. The list is moderated; the slightest mention of the Chosen in a negative light is a bannable offense.
2003-06-11 22:36 | User Profile
Originally posted by Prodigal Son@Jun 11 2003, 18:34 ** > Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Jun 11 2003, 16:27 ** AY,
It might be amusing to post your expose of George the Corgi onto the arlist. I wonder what would happen. There'd be fireworks, at least. :lol: **
Fat chance of that happening. The list is moderated; the slightest mention of the Chosen in a negative light is a bannable offense. **
Ah, damn, shoulda known. Too bad it'd never see the light of day. :lol:
2003-06-12 05:17 | User Profile
Here is a link to Freak Republik thread where the corgi character posted:
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To: Sawdring At some point finality is needed.The Arab-Israeli wars would have been over a long time ago if the American government didn't suck up to the oil companies and the feudal Arab sheiks. In 1967 and 1973, Israel was on the verge of decimating the armies and military capacity of the "confrontation states, but pressure from America stopped them. Egypt has understood that the Arab policy towards Israel was to fight to the last Egyptian so Sadat made peace. IT's a cold peace, but that's better than war. If America would just say to the Israelis, "Do what you have to do.", any future Arab-Israeli conflict would end pretty quickly.
In any event Syria is a long way from fighting Israel. It has to actually buy weapons today, not have them sent by the Soviets. The nation is still overwhelmingly illiterate or merely backward. The technological advantages of Israeli soldier over the Syrian are analogous to that of the German soldier over his Russian counterpart at the beginning of WWI.
America didn't even give itself the green light against Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Instead, George the Wimp took orders from his Saudi paymasters and stopped the war with this guy who was as I recall "Twice as bad as Hitler" in power and with his weapons intact. The good news is that we keep the sanctions on and Iraqis die.Frankly, I have roughly the same view towards Muslim Arabs as Sherman had towards the Native American.
It is precisely the corrupt policies of the West that feed into the maintenance of hatreds in the Middle East. These hatreds benefit the entrenched rulers of the region and those who profit off them ie.multinationals. I say if Syria attacks Israel, let the Israelis finish the job and when Syria has been totalled, its military destroyed, its political class humbled, Assad and his cronies brought up on war crimes, crimes against humanity etc., not just against Israel but also Lebanon and the Syrians themselves,then maybe the Syrians with Western help can put together a regime that at least can have the cold peace of Egypt.
6 Posted on 05/10/2000 09:26:01 PDT by george the corgi (corgi231@cs.com) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | Top | Last ]
To: george the corgi "...The good news is that we keep the sanctions on and Iraqis die.Frankly, I have roughly the same view towards Muslim Arabs as Sherman had towards the Native American"
You accuse Pat Buchanan and others of hatred. Here you make clear that you are the most hate-filled, bigoted individual on this forum. The most amusing part of all this is that you chear on the Chechens in their war with Russia, but when Muslims fight against your beloved Israel, they are vermin that need to be exterminated. It is you, and not Buchanan, whose views are closest to Hitler's. Hitler believed in Germany's right to eliminate all non-Aryans. You clearly believe in Israel's right to exterminate Arabs, and the supremacy of Jews over Christians.
7 Posted on 05/15/2000 17:36:21 PDT by Gecko [ Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | Top | Last ]
To: Sawdring What exactly is America's strategic interest in continuing to side with the Israelis in their conflicts with Syria and other neighbors?
8 Posted on 05/15/2000 18:03:51 PDT by Gecko [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ]
To: Gecko As Sherman said during the Civil War, "War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, let us give them full measure." The suffering of Iraqis or Palestinians is a choice made by their leadership and not by Israel. It is solely the result of a decision by Arab leadership to maintain their own feudal monarchies and totalitarian dictatorships by focusing their attention on Israel rather than their own plight. Even the most conservative Israeli governments have returned land for peace. Presently, Israel stands ready to return the Golan to Syria in exchange for a peace treaty.
As for Russia, I think history amply shows that for some reason it has felt it has the absolute right to invade and dominate its neighbors. Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, animist makes no difference to this predatory people. In the future the civilized world might have to employ Sherman's dictum against it. I hope not.
As for Buchanan, I said specifically that he is not as bad as Hitler. I don't know what he believes in any more except getting his hands on the Federal matching funds. His campaign is at 3% and sinking. He's behind Ralph Nader for cryin' out loud. Soon he'll be behind LaRouche.
By the way, just because I'm an advocate for Israel and I dislike Russia, what makes you think I'm anti-Christian?
9 Posted on 05/16/2000 03:29:34 PDT by george the corgi (corgi231@cs.com) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | Top | Last ]
To: george the corgi Good attempt at whitewash. Regarding your views that Israel should treat Arabs as Sherman treated the Indians, I can imagine how you and your ADL friends would be shrieking indignantly if some nationalist leader in Germany or Austria proclaimed that "we will do to the Jews what Sherman did to the Indians." You said that you're happy to see Iraqis starve, and I'm certain that if anyone gloated over Jewish deaths you'd be frothing at the mouth with rage. For some reason, Jewish supremacists such as yourself have no problem with Jewish bigotry and nationalism, but when another nation so much as dares assert its right to ethnic identity (Haider, etc), you all scream bloody murder. All I'm asking for is a little consistency...
As for your comments about Russia, they remind me of your predecessors a few decades ago. Some proto-ADL type wrote a long diatribe called "Germany Must Perish" - i.e. making the claim that Germans are a subhuman, barbaric race that must be purged for world safety. Has it ever occured to you that Israel's neighbors view it with the EXACT same hatred and distrust as Russia's neighbors (or Nazi Germany's neighbors) looked upon those respective nations? Everything you accuse Russia of (and your prototypes accused Germany of) could be equally well said of Israel.
Now to your next distortion: Pat Buchanan. Sure, you may have said that he's "not quite as bad as Hitler." But reread your posts, you vomit up all of the classic Weekly Standard/ADL distortions about Buchanan, accusing him of being a Nazi sympathiser, an anti-Semite, etc. It's because of your friends' smear campaign that he is faring so low in opinion polls. People believe what they read, and if people like you keep slandering a man's good name by calling him a Nazi sympathiser (knowing full well that it's a lie), that's what they'll think. Once again, it's amazing that you react with such hatred towards American Nationalism (in the form of Pat Buchanan), and any other gentile nationalism, yet proudly bear the standard of the most militant form of Zionist jingoism.
10 Posted on 05/16/2000 10:58:28 PDT by Gecko [ Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | Top | Last ]
To: Sawdring if the syrian army is as good like the air force,then they have a problem,syrian air force lost at last fight about 200 fighters against the israelis.
11 Posted on 05/16/2000 11:14:38 PDT by green team 1999 [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ]
To: deepsixx "israel keeps thinking anything they get into america will save their dumb ass - as far as i am concerned - if you cant get along - just shut up and get it on - there will be no winners"
Personally, I'm all in favor of Israel's neighbors acquiring nuclear weapons technology to achieve a balance of power in the region, lest Israeli jingoism can no longer be held in check by the West. After all, Israel is not voluntarily giving up land it seized to Syria, it is only pressure from the United States which renders "the peace process" at all viable.
12 Posted on 05/16/2000 14:30:49 PDT by Gecko [ Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | Top | Last ]
To: Gecko Gecko, you really and truly must be a complete idiot.
You haven't the slightest clue as to my methodology. First, as far as Germany is concerned I am if anything philo-German, I've lived there. I've taught mathematics at a major German university and have visited there several times and enjoyed myself thoroughly on every occasion. I'm proud of the fact that I'm comfortable reading the German language and wish my accent were better. I am bilingual in English and French as my grandparents were born in Alsace. I have always been an admirer of Bismarck and other German imperialists. In my home, I have a WWI German Army helmet with the Eagle and the Spike.
Israel's neighbors are not republics or democracies. The opinions expressed by the governments there are simply designed to divert the attention of the local populace from their own suffering to a convenient scapegoat in the Jewish state.
My father is a West Point alumnus after having served in WWII. I would have gone to a military academy as well except my three separate eye defects disqualified me even with a 1470 SAT. One of my cousins was the Jewish chaplain at West Point for many years. I'm as fanatically AMerican as it gets.
I admit that I think Buchanan is a walking piece of excrement. He's a guy who had his personal physician declare him unfit for duty in Vietnam when Jewish friends of mine and my father's went proudly. Yet, Buchanan feels he can declare himself a better American than they. I can't deal with this.
You have never asked me about Haider. He is simply the result of a sclerotic political system in Austria. The Socialists and Christian Democrats divided the spoils and excluded non-party members. Haider was the only alternative. While he is an Austrian nationalist, he is no anti-Semite and is being given a bad deal by other European leaders particularly Chirac who are afraid of being challenged from the right. If I were a Jew in Austria, I'd vote for him.
I guarantee that no one you know is as much of an American nationalist as I am. I currently live in the NY Metro area where I was raised but I did graduate work in Cambridge and taught in Mississippi. My experiences abroad only make me more American.
It makes me laugh when you state that I am opposed to Gentile nationalism. My life experience has made me keenly aware of the problems faced by the people who live in what used to be called the "Captive Nations", particularly the Baltics. We as a Christian nation owe them a serious defense from Russian imperialism.
As for quoting Sherman, I believe he had it right that war was an ugly business. But he also felt that when it happened that you have an obligation to win and to create conditions where war cannot occur again. Wouldn't Rome have been better off with only one Punic War instead of three?
My views on Russia have nothing to do with Judaism. Most Jews have fled that toilet bowl masquerading as a country. Those who haven't either are too old or have a scam going. My hostility is just simply the result of history. One cannot avoid looking at Russian history and not see the brutality and the imperialism. One cannot avoid looking at current Russian policy and wonder why they are undermining their neighbors.
Finally, about your demi-God Buchanan, he's the guy who compared Eisenhower to Hitler, not me. He's the guy who supports censorship. I don't care about his views on Israel. I know people disagree with my essentially Kahanist position. What I care about is his view of the US Constitution, his opposition to free trade, his willingness to abrogate the rights of individuals and his interest in rewriting history.
I am a Weekly Standard subscriber and proud of it. I disagree with their McCain style policy of rampant interventionism but their hearts are in the right place. Deal with it!!
13 Posted on 05/16/2000 17:28:56 PDT by george the corgi (corgi231@cs.com) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | Top | Last ]
To: george the corgi Well, let's see, the bulk of your post consists of narcisistic self-aggrandisement (boasting of your SAT scores and your career) which is so characteristic of Upper West Side pseudointellectuals, but let me try to clear through the dross and get to the points you try to make.
You call yourself a "Germanophile" - well, most likely that's due to the watered down status of modern Germany, one where any form of nationalism is forcibly suppressed and Germans are forced from day one to kiss the ring of the internationalists.
You say one thing which I have to agree with - war is an ugly business. However, you are so convinced that Israel can do no wrong (what can one expect from a "proud Weekly Standard subscriber"), that according to you Israel is justified in any form of ugliness. Furthermore, your stories about righteous Israel making comprimises for peace simply don't sell. They are doing so not out of their own good will, but because of US/Western pressures. I know that you don't like the fact that Israel occassionally has to abide by America's rules rather than vice versa, but you'll learn to deal with it over time as Americans get fed up of subsidising the special interests Zionist lobby at their material and military expense. As for your professed "nationalism" towards America, let me ask you this. If America were to start backing Syria rather than Israel, wouldn't your "American nationalism" evaporate overnight? If America were at war with Poland or the Ukraine (where my predecessors came from) that wouldn't alter my opinion...I don't think the same holds for your beloved Weekly Standard crowd, whose "hearts are in the right place."
And finally, we'll address your vendetta against Pat Buchanan. It is individuals such as Pat Buchanan, Joseph Sobran, and Samuel Francis who are the legitimate spokesmen of the American Right, not internationalist warmongers and apologists for global finance such as Kristol, Safire, Bennett, Goldberg, and Podhoretz. I guess what makes conservatism legitimate for you is support for Israel...yet you claim that Buchanan's anti-Israeli position has nothing to do with your hatred for him. If Buchanan genuflected before Israel you would no doubt change your tune overnight.
14 Posted on 05/16/2000 17:54:23 PDT by Gecko [ Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | Top | Last ]
To: Sawdring I think if Israel uses the bomb there will be all out war in the Middle East. Unrestricted warfare, anything goes.
NAH - it would be a ONE DAY WAR not the six days it took Israes to collectively kick the ragheads A$$ the last time around.
15 Posted on 05/16/2000 18:19:56 PDT by exmarine1 [ Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | Top | Last ]
To: Gecko You seem intent on making me fit into your definition and are exceedingly frustrated when I do not. Tough S***.
My Germanophilia goes much further than you suppose. There is no doubt in my mind that America was hoodwinked by the Brits to enter into WWI. Had America stayed out, Germany would have won, the BRitish Empire would have collapsed and Europe would more than likely have coalesced into an anti-Soviet alliance.
It is inconceivable for America to shift alliances from Israel to Syria. THat is of course if you believe America stands for something. Syria is a military totalitarian dictatorship. Israel, warts and all, is a republic with Arabs seated in the Knesset and on the Supreme Court. Backing a dictatorship against a democracy is a no-go with the American public. Maybe, you'd back Syria, but then your posts indicate that you seem to believe the only appropriate place for Jews is the gas chambers of Auschwitz.
Your defense of Buchanan has not once addressed issues I have brought up such as censorhsip, corporatism, Luddism, protectionism. It has amounted to little more than name-calling. Please advise when you intend to use facts and logic.
16 Posted on 05/16/2000 19:35:41 PDT by george the corgi (corgi231@cs.com) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | Top | Last ]
To: george the corgi I'm with you corgi boy!!
17 Posted on 05/16/2000 20:47:01 PDT by dennisw [ Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | Top | Last ]
To: george the corgi "you'd back Syria, but then your posts indicate that you seem to believe the only appropriate place for Jews is the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
Considering that you've advocated an exterminational war on Arabs, gloat over starvation in Iraq, and regard Russians as subhuman barbarians that should be exterminated, you have about as much moral authority to complain about Auschwitz as Bill Clinton has to condemn lechery.
Well, this isn't a Buchanan thread, but since I started you on the subject, it's only fair to finish it. You state that I don't address the other issues related to Buchananism, concentrating instead on his stance on Israel. The reason I do so is because your gurus at the Weekly Standard have slandered his name on this account, and hence it is no doubt that this is the root of your hatred towards him. I find it especially amusing that you accuse his avoidance of the Vietnam War for medical reasons as being treasonous, yet you yourself admit that you were also kept out of the military for medical reasons. Or does a higher standard apply to Buchanan than to you?
I guess we have different definitions of Germanophilia. I regard Buchanan as the representative of a branch of conservatism which has its foundations in the writings of Friedrich List, Oswald Spengler, etc. This school of Conservatism held true to its name - it was about conserving traditional social institutions such as the Church, Western culture, local communities, and their ways of life. Your form of neo-conservative seeks to do nothing but conserve the 401K's of the international investor classes, and warmongers on behalf of their financial interests abroad. What you call "Luddism" and "protectionism" is about conserving local communities and their way of life in America and elsewhere. The neo-Conservatism your friends advocate is little more than apologia for international investors, who are willing to sacrifice traditional institutions in the name of profit.
You also criticize Buchanan for his "censorship" - i.e. his opposition to degenerate and subversive modern art and to Hollywood culture. Once again, this makes me question your conservatism. Decadent popular culture has largely displaced Western high culture, once again in the name of Profit Uber Alles. Since to you neo-con Cosmopolitans, profit is the be all and end-all of "conservatism," you obviously see elimination of Hollywood culture and other vices as a threat to profiteering. Thus, you accuse Buchanan, who upholds traditional values and Western culture at the expense of the cultural pollution which dominates today, of "censorship." This sheds some light on where a neo-cons priorities lie. I regard neo-cons and the Weekly Standard crowd as worse enemies of true conservatism than is Clintonism and liberalism. Thanks for confirming these beliefs with your drivel.
18 Posted on 05/17/2000 14:09:37 PDT by Gecko [ Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | Top | Last ]
To: Gecko Where can I begin? There is no greater sadness in my life than that I could not have been an astronaut. I make a six figure income in Actuarial Consulting and I would trade it tomorrow morning if I could serve in the American military. As for Buchanan, he called his personal physician to have him disqualified. My Dad and my Uncle didn't have such luxury.
When you criticize my position on wars in the Arab world, I have to laugh. The reason Arabs suffer is that the Arab dictatorships and feudal monarchs refuse to make peace. If they were reasonable Israel would make peace. However, Syria, Iraq and Iran refuse to make peace because the war footing justifies the looting of ordinary Arabs by their governments.
Had I been of age at the time of the Vietnam War, I would have volunteered. In 1973, I was 9 years old.
You and I definitely have different definitions of Germanophilia. For 200 years, the role of Jews in the Prussian Empire was changing. Moses Mendelsohn, the grandfather of the composer Felix Mendelsohn, was a major financial supporter of Frederick the Great. Germany was changing. In fact, during the First World War, the percentage of Jews who received decorations from the German military far exceeded their percentage of the population. Goering understood this and made sure that the German veterans in the Warsaw ghetto continued to receive their pensions.
If you have the chance you should visit a site in Alsace called Hartmanswillerkopf. It is a memorial created between WWI & WWII by the French and the Germans. It commemorates the sacrifices made by Protestant, Catholic and Jewish soldiers. It commemorates the deaths from both countries and all three religions. The Wehrmacht protected the Jewish dead, to their eternal credit.
You defend Buchanan's belief in censorship. I could not disagree more. I'd much rather let my enemies publicize themselves than force them to exist sub rosa or position themselves as a kind of forbidden fruit. The clowns who desecrate the Virgin Mary at the Brooklyn Museum would love to see themselves as defenders of the First Amendment rather than as the vandals that they are.
I'd infinitely prefer the David Irvings and the A.J. Butzes to be allowed to publish their laughable nonsense, than allow the government to restrict them. Between MArtin Gilbert, Debbie Lipstadt, and myself,I have no doubt we can develop absolutely effective retorts.
Maybe I don't understand your complaint about Hollywood, but I absolutely loved 'Pulp Fiction'. I don't know about you but my TV has an "off" switch. I have absolutely zero sympathy for those who would dictate what I can watch because they don't like it. My most basic instinct causes me to say "Get a f***ing life!"
19 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:29:08 PDT by george the corgi (corgi231@cs.com) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | Top | Last ]
2003-06-12 07:58 | User Profile
Your friend george the corgi doesn't seem to care too much for the Irish either. As a matter of fact, he seems to prefer Puerto Ricans over them judging from this exchange of his @ar-list:
From: "corgi231" georgecorgi@e... Date: Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:41 am Subject: Re: Corgi 321
--- In arlist@yahoogroups.com, macr36@a... wrote:
I read his take on things and I thought: What the hell world is this guy living in? The Puerto Rican Day Parade is a day to DREAD. Are you kidding me? You have to be a real kidder or just one of those guys who can't deal with reality. The St. Patrick's Day Parade is one of the best in the WORLD. Nobody fears for their life. For the most part, their party is filled with GREAT respect.
The only time I ever had to be in New York to see the world's longest parade of violent drunkenness, i.e. the St Patrick's Day parade, I felt the flying shards of glass that permeate the air over Fifth Avenue as much as the hydrocarbons do on most days. This was long before I felt any need to make a sartorial statement on March 17.
I really don't think people are in their homes in midtown or the Upper East Side thinking," Gee, all of these terrifying Irish people are out there. I mean these wild, blonde-haired, blue eyed types make me want to lock myself in."
The plywood is not there for crime. It is there for debris. The St. Patrick's Day parade produces enough debris to fill the Grand Canyon. By contrast, the Stueben Day parade, the Kosciuszko Day parade and the Salute to Israel leave the streets cleaner than when they got there. The point is that the plywood was not there for racist reasons it was there as a rational protection against the flying debris that some of our less desirable populations like Irish and Puerto Ricans produce.
Please, it's the opposite. Last time I checked, Irish were responsible for an EXTREMELY small percent of the crime in New York City. Puerto Ricans??
Among White groups, I would not be surprised if the Irish were the most criminally-inclined. Have you ever heard of the Westies?
Most people when they hear the Puerto RIcan Day parade, it means lock your doors, do your shopping early, don't stray too far,etc. There is NO WAY IN HELL the same can be said for the Irish and ST. Pat's Day and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. It is a time of joy. Oh yeah, in terms of music corgi, great music at the PR Parade?
When it's a nice, sunny day in NYC, I never miss the Puerto Rican Day Parade because it reminds me of my travels in the Caribbean. The stores are open just as they are most days. You and I will have to disagree on music. How many choruses of old Irish favorites like 'Let's Throw the Plastique Explosive in the School Bus' can one take?
you know damn well you are just playing the opposite side of the fence for your
own personal reasons. The bottom line is: ST. Pats is safe; Puerto Rican Parade is not.
Completly untrue. I only discovered the PR Day parade quite by accident when I was taking relatives of mine from Alsace on a tour of NYC. They were in their 70s at the time and we saw the floats coming in off the Turnpike so we checked it out as the floats were also reminiscent of the Carnival in Nice. We had a fantastic experience including some truly hilarious pictures of my great uncle, a prominent French physician and a Chevalier de la Legion d'Honneur, with his arms around two beautiful Hispanic girls, dancing.
What is five miles long and has an IQ of 40? The St. Patrick's Day parade.
And to think that they let this guy post to AmRen's supposedly WN group.
2003-06-12 09:27 | User Profile
What is five miles long and has an IQ of 40? The St. Patrick's Day parade
St. Patââ¬â¢s Day = Ethnically aware White men = One small step from racially aware White men. No wonder the cockroach shudders. American Renaissance is a rebirth of the same old hook-nosed maggots in a new corpse.
2003-06-12 13:36 | User Profile
I delete the "Corgi" e-mails without opening them. Same too for much of what's written by "Steve Dial," who was early on one of the more aggressive Jew defenders. At one point, he posted something about wanting to take his Desert Eagle and blow a hole in a black man, sayin, "I may be a short Jew but I can blow up a Lawrence Taylor-sized black with my gun" or something like that. I couldn't tell if he was speaking hypothetically or if he was actually announcing he was a Jew. I suspect the latter.
You know, there's something almost unfair about the whole "Bash Blacks, Protect Jews" approach of AR. Lord knows I ain't a negro lover, but they're hardly an institutional threat to our race and nation. God bless black folk, just keep 'em far away from me. But Jews are an entirely different matter, as most on this board understand. So it seems unprincipled and sneaky to hang the destruction of the West on THEM while letting Jews go scot-free. Sort of like all the schoolkids pointing the finger at the dumb kid in class for having put a tack on the teacher's chair, when really, it was the Jewish class clown.
2003-06-12 13:53 | User Profile
I haven't read anything that stated the Templars were decendants of "jews". I had read that whatever they managed to dig up in the "Holy Land" gave the power brokers in the church the "willies" so to speak. The material (scrolls, etc.) pointed to the descendants of Jesus entering Europe (France, The Merovingians, etc.) and that the church gave them leeway as it felt the Knights could topple the church with this info. I've been pretty depressed since the idea was introduced (I always thought WELL of the Templars {sigh})-- I think it was in Second Messiah -- which suggests that they went to Jerusalem ALREADY knowing where to dig. And they were given some fer shure odd support by the "King of Jerusalem." (was that Dagobert I? I think I remember that.) The NINE of them never DID do any protecting of pilgrims for, was it seven years? They just dug into tunnels under their quarters OVER the Jerusalem Temple (that Dagobert had given them) -- and suddenly became massively rich and pretty powerful.
The other books are making me feel a little better, because they offer other ideas than that the Templars were jews in knightly garb...
2003-06-12 16:44 | User Profile
Originally posted by damian@Jun 12 2003, 03:58 * Your friend george the corgi doesn't seem to care too much for the Irish either. As a matter of fact, he seems to prefer Puerto Ricans over them judging from this exchange of his @ar-list*
This Corgi guy is rapidly becoming the rare kind of person who makes me wish I had a button on my keyboard that would send electricity down the line at him to shock the hell out of him.
2003-06-13 04:44 | User Profile
Another gem from george the corgi, who not only dislikes Russians and the Irish, but considers Catholicism " the greatest evil ever created by the mind of man".
**You will note that the only time my anti-Catholicism comes through is whenever someone uses my Jewishness as a club to beat me with, or when the Church takes some anti-eugenic, anti-science or anti-free enterprise position. Put simply, I would prefer not to bring it up at all but when someone else does, I am obligated by simple intellectual honesty to defend myself. My position on the matter is simple. Much of what is really bad in Western Civilization and History for the past 2000 years is directly the result of the Catholic Church and even more is the indirect result of its essentially malign influence in the world. To me, it is the greatest evil ever created by the mind of man. If it were my choice, I would kill their priests, sell their property and encourage their adherents to join real religions and leave that perverse bastard child of Greco-Roman homosexuals and Jewish schismatics on the dung heap of history where it belongs.
However, it is not up to me.
** So apparently jew-bashing is a no-no over there, but Catholic-bashing is A-ok. Why is george the corgi such a rabid hater of Catholics? Ahh...here it is in another post:> **I have never met a devout Catholic who wasn't at heart a Jew-killer. ** So there it is folks, I'll say one thing for lil 'ol georgie-porgi, he sure doesn't mince any words.
2003-06-13 05:18 | User Profile
My position on the matter is simple. Much of what is really bad in Western Civilization and History for the past 2000 years is directly the result of the Catholic Church and even more is the indirect result of its essentially malign influence in the world. To me, it is the greatest evil ever created by the mind of man. If it were my choice, I would kill their priests, sell their property and encourage their adherents to join real religions and leave that perverse bastard child of Greco-Roman homosexuals and Jewish schismatics on the dung heap of history where it belongs.
Sounds like a typical Judeo-Bolshevik to me...I would assume, however, that even mentioning a desire to pull on the 'payos' of an ultra-Orthodox rabbi would cause corgi to go into conniptions...
Forget AR as a valid WN publication, don't be Jewishly respectable :hit:
2003-06-17 00:12 | User Profile
"Negro hating," for lack of a better term, is worthless. You get these often nerdy, testosterone deprived types of white, jewish and asian men who are physically scared of the big black brothaz. They resent the fact that some negro mugged them but are otherwise good lemmings. A lot of "white supremecists" in prison are also like this.
That Richard Lynn guy is another example. He gave a speech at AR in which he implied that south asian immigrants to England were assimilating but that blacks weren't because of low IQ's. A year later, asian riots swept across the country, hundred of "brittish asians" volunteered to fight for Bin Laden and asians murdered and raped whites who strayed into their neighborhoods. Most white nationalists in England today would excahnge every paki for two blacks(an emotional overreaction that is reflective of which group now is perceived as doing more harm to white people in England).
I put "negro haters" right up there with hollywood nazis.
2003-06-17 00:59 | User Profile
*Originally posted by W.R.I.T.O.S@Jun 16 2003, 18:12 * ** "Negro hating," for lack of a better term, is worthless.
I put "negro haters" right up there with hollywood nazis. **
But can I still hate Negroes and be a WN? Or do I have to accept Blacks now, because AR rejects them? :huh: [SIZE=2]I'm confused[/SIZE] It was a lot easier in the early days: Whites good, non-Whites (and yes, that includes jews) bad.
2003-06-17 01:29 | User Profile
Damian:
Nice pick. Most devout Catholics could care less about the Yidn. They are the complete opposite of the rabid Noachide Judeo-Christians- they don't give a fig about the Jews except as old, moot theological trivia.
The real question is: How you ever met a devout Jew who wasn't at heart a Christ-Killer?
2003-06-17 01:34 | User Profile
AY:
Italians have the same tendencies. I'm sure Uncle Dershowitz would be horrified to read the minutes of a Knights of Columbus meeting.
The Paddies off the boat are true freemen. But those of Irish heritage here also have to deal with the shame of amadans like Hannity and o'Reilly. An American luxury. I don't think such knuckleheads would have lasted long in Armagh, but then again, I'm 3rd generation on that side.