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Thread ID: 6991 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2003-05-29
2003-05-29 22:31 | User Profile
Bushs' Economic Plan, Cut 350 Billion in taxes, but borrow 950 Billion from the federal reserve. Bush sounds like a teenager with a credit card.
As I have been predicting for the past two years, the Euro is continuing to burry the dollar. From 1:.8 to 1:1.17. The Euro has soared 46% since it phased out 12 national currencies. Canadian, British, and Australian currencies are also up compared to the sinking dollar bill.
Across the globe investers and foreign governments are dumping USD currency reserves for Euros and others.
The media is reporting upcoming deflation. That is going to devastate Americas working class who are deeply in debt and are sraping by right now.
2003-05-30 04:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by heritagelost@May 29 2003, 22:31 ** The media is reporting upcoming deflation. That is going to devastate Americas working class who are deeply in debt and are sraping by right now. **
Good. These same guys that said "Bomb Saddam" while the economy was melting down are going to find they have noplace to run anymore. Time to let the Working Class Heroes get tough and smart or die.
How did John Lennon put it? "You're still f*cking peasants as far as I can see..."
That Beatle was right just that once.
2003-05-30 13:14 | User Profile
Of course, the great hope of the WN movement is something like an economic collapse.
With $42 TRILLION dollars in unfunded social security and other committments looming in the next 10 - 15 years (maybe sooner, depending on when you think the baby boomers will start to retire in earnest) and gargantuan deficits as far as the eye can see, Uncle Sam will either move to cut the overwhelmingly white boomers' retirement benefits drastically, or move to raise the increasingly brown younger working class with higher payroll taxes, or a combination of the two.
Barring some miracle technological advance that would vastly improve efficiency and productivity, there's no way that these ends can be met. Both reducing benefits for sterile white boomers and increasing taxes on fecund young browns carry enormous political risks and costs.
Were Uncle Sam to move now to cut federal spending drasitically (especially by abandoning the Empire - pulling out of Europe, stop funding/defending Israel, ending the Imperial war on drugs) then maybe, just maybe, we could muddle through the thing without major conflict. But that's most emphatically NOT the direction in which we're headed. No, the Empire just grows and grows, and foreign wars are waged and waged.
I'm betting that it can't be done, and that some sort of meltdown is awaiting us. I say 2015 is the year the feces flies into the ventilator.
Walter
2003-05-30 13:50 | User Profile
The Great Depression of the 30s is going to look like a party compared to what is most likely coming up in a few years. I see more of the problem being with the, if you'll excuse the term, yuppies. Many of us who are already working class and barely scraping by know the score... The ones with a hefty mortgage and a couple SUV payments and maybe a kid or two in college are going to have a rude awakening one day. Once they can't maintain that lifestyle any more there will be a quick clue acquirement that spreads throughout the lemming public.
2003-05-30 14:58 | User Profile
I say 2015 is the year the feces flies into the ventilator.
Walter, what leads you to believe that 2015 is THE year?
2003-06-01 23:58 | User Profile
heritagelost,
Yes, Bush is running the US into the ground.
2003-06-02 05:14 | User Profile
Originally posted by Uncle John@May 30 2003, 14:58 ** > I say 2015 is the year the feces flies into the ventilator.
Walter, what leads you to believe that 2015 is THE year? **
It's just a wild guess, Uncle John.
The reason I'd guess that 2015 is really just because in that year the oldest boomers will all be past 65 and I would think the strains on the system will really start to make theselves felt.
Also, if you believe Elliot Wave Theory (I have my doubts), then that's around the time that, I understand, a number of downward waves coverge.
Again, 2015 is just a guess. The way we're going with lavish military spending and waging wars all over the world, the "stress vectors" might converge even faster.
Walter
2003-06-02 05:37 | User Profile
It'll be 2012 -- wasn't it the Maya or the Aztecs who predicted 'the end of the world' (or a reasonable facsimile there of) in 2012?!
It's only BARELY more than Walter's WAG... :D
2003-06-02 13:31 | User Profile
I had the same thought in my mind while reading down this thread, Av. :ph34r:
2003-06-02 14:16 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jun 1 2003, 23:37 ** It'll be 2012 -- wasn't it the Maya or the Aztecs who predicted 'the end of the world' (or a reasonable facsimile there of) in 2012?!
It's only BARELY more than Walter's WAG... :D **
The anciet "White Gods" who passed their calendar down to the Aztecs had a system of beliefs concerning a clockwork system of earthwide cataclysms that periodically destroy the earth and can be predicted using the equinoxial procession of the zodiac.
A full cycle of the zodiac takes 25,920 years. Every couple 2160 year ages brings global destruction, alternating between minor cataclysms and major cataclysms. It is known that the poles of the earth have moved many, many times causing massive destruction every time.
It is theorized that these global cataclysms occur when the poles shift. Their are different theories on why the poles shift.
Information about equinoxial procession is recorded in Egyption Mythology, Norse Mythology, Chinese, Hindu, Jewish Cabalism, and many more the globe over.
Right now we are entering the age of Aquarius which the ancients believed would be the next major cataclysm.
The Summerians, who had knowledge of Pluto thousands of years ago, recorded another aspect. A celestial body with a massive orbit passes between the Earth and Mars. Millenia ago this monster "planet" created the armoured bracelet (astroid belt) by impacting another planet.
Depending on who you listen too, this "planet" comes once every 2160 or 3600 years. The summerians had a special mathematic system for astronomy wich is extremely complex. It was designed so the astronomical equations end in fractions rather than decimals.
The Planets passing spells doom for the Earth in Summerian lore. If the "planet" exists it really would do just that.
Some theories hold that if the Planet passes on the same side of the sun as the earth it would cause a pole shift.
Currently scientists are noticing a shape change in both the Earths' magnetic field and the distribution of mass inside the earth. (The latitude is becoming smaller, and the longitude is getting bigger). Perhaps these are signs of a pending shift in the Earths' crust over the core just in time for the Age of Aquarius!
For more information on Equinox Procession, Pole Shift Theories, and the exciting true story of ancient "White Gods" who transversed the Earth dazalling the darker races with advanced technology in Ancient times; see Finger Prints of the Gods, by Grahamn Hancock.
2003-06-02 14:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jun 2 2003, 00:37 ** It'll be 2012 -- wasn't it the Maya or the Aztecs who predicted 'the end of the world' (or a reasonable facsimile there of) in 2012?!
It's only BARELY more than Walter's WAG... :D **
Av, I am just back from my honeymoon in Mexico. We visited the Chichen Itza ruins, the Mayan village dated between 800 and 1200 AD. Absolutely awesome.
Yes, we learned that according to the Mayan calendar 2012 is the END. They also had a 365 day calendar and also understood Spring and Autumn equinox, especially the shadows cast from the Pyramid Temple of Kulcukan. Fascinating and mindblowing, itz(a)!
The rest of Mexico is a bizarre land. Beautiful in some areas, absolutely dreadful in alot of areas.
Anyway,I think the end is certainly close. Pretty soon Mexican Pesos will be one for one with the American dollar and to me, that's the end for sure.
2003-06-02 17:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by heritagelost@Jun 2 2003, 14:16 ** Currently scientists are noticing a shape change in both the Earths' magnetic field and the distribution of mass inside the earth. (The latitude is becoming smaller, and the longitude is getting bigger). Perhaps these are signs of a pending shift in the Earths' crust over the core just in time for the Age of Aquarius!
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Everybody know where this comes from?
In the 1960s Charles Hapgood published The Path of the Poles which proved that the North Pole was once where Hudson Bay is now. It wasn't all that long ago either at least in geological time. Hapgood also proved that it happened earlier, and could happen again without much difficulty. Hapgood believed it has to do with tectonics; the plates shift in such a way as to throw the planet off-balance now and then.
But then somebody asked where Charlie got all this information. He worked for the OSS during WWII. It develops that most of these "catastrophe theorists" have connections with some intelligence service or another.
Later in his carreer Hapgood was developing some very interesting connections between these shifts and an earlier higher civilization (Atlantis?). Then he was killed in a highly suspicious hit-skip accident. A car literally ran up the sidewalk and killed him while he was taking a walk. Was he about to reveal information the powers that be want to keep hidden?
There are powerful forces that want the truth about the past to stay buried. These forces looted a museum in Baghdad and walled off the Giza plain. This is dangerous territory but I think the truth is coming out anyway. It probably don't have anything to do with the end of the world.
2003-06-02 17:59 | User Profile
In the very recent past, Siberia and Alaska had a temperate climate and East Canada, Michigan, Ohio, and Northern parts of Europe were in the Artic circle.
The shift in climate occure so fast that vegatation and animals were preserved in the ice until our time.
Test samples in Antartica prove beyound a shadow of a doubt, that Antartica had a temperate climate in the recent past as well. (not to mention a tropical climate before that)
A shift in the poles flooded the earth, raised and lowered continents and decimated an Ancient people who weilded advanced technologies (knowledge of Pluto, knowledge of anatonomy that requires microscopes, electricity*, the ability to lift 100 ton stones onto a 100 ft tall platform which only a half dozen modern cranes in the entire world can do.)
Electricy: we know that the Ancients used batteries for gold plating and electrical devices like the Ark of the Convenant for securing sacred objects. (The Ark of the Covenant is the same as descriptions of ancient Egyptian storage devices. Scale models of the Ark generate and store electrical currents. A full size model would be powerful enough to kill a man, just as Egyptian writings, the Bible and Quabala state.) Who knows what other uses electricity had?
There is also evidence that huge capaciters would built in the central American temples for reasons unknown. The asshole Spanairds looted them and so only eye witness descriptions from the Conquistedores can be studied.
The Asiatic peoples' lore of central America is that the "Bearded White Gods" played music instruments that made horrific noises and moved stones effortlessly through the sky. This is probably a primative description of heavy building equipment.
They is a stone in Mexico that shows a bearded Nordic White guy sitting in what appears to be sitting in a device with foot pedals and hand levers. The picture can be seen on the internet, but there is a better copy in Grahamn Hancocks' book.
By the way, DNA evidence show that the Olmecs were from a now exstinct Chinese sub-racial group. Not Negroes as the Afro-fiction Afro-mythologists claim.
2003-06-02 18:13 | User Profile
Minor science nitpicking: * The vernal equinox is nowhere near Aquarius, either celestially or sidereal-zodiacally. The 'Age of Aquarius' doesn't start until the 24th century at the earliest. * The Earth's magnetic fields are known to wobble continuously, because the Earth wobbles in space, and with it does the molten iron in the core (which is what creates the field in the first place). This wobbling effect is slow, but can be measured by us--and there's no way it could possibly move at all significantly in mere centuries, let alone decades.
I'm guessing 2012 for the looming financial disaster. We've hit peak oil already (probably), are producing next to nothing of substance, are importing mexicans faster than we can give them stuff for free (which is pretty fast), and are frittering away the capital we still have left on foreign wars of conquest and occupation. Boomers retiring en masse (which starts in 2011; I believe [1945 + 66 = 2011]) will be the proverbial squaw that stroked the camel's sack, providing we even hold out that long.
2003-06-02 18:30 | User Profile
More science:
The shift in the Earth's poles is only a shift in the magnetic poles, not the physical axis of rotation. Changing that would be physically impossible short of a major collision (like the one that's believed to have tilted Earth's axis 23 degrees in the first place).
It's believed that as the Sun moves through the galaxy, it oscillates up and down in the galactic plane, and this causes us to pass through dusty areas periodically, which block a lot of the energy from our Sun. This is believed to be the cause of periodic ice ages.
It's also known that the Sun itself varies in its output; in the 17th century almost no sunspots were recorded for several decades--indicating that the Sun was putting out less energy than it does now. This is historically recorded in growth rings in trees and a long famine in Ireland, among other things.
So, America freezing over has happened many, many times in the past, but I seriously doubt Antarctica used to be temperate, at least in the recent past. It takes a surprisingly long time to build up two miles of permafrost.
2003-06-02 20:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by Drakmal@Jun 2 2003, 18:13 ** Minor science nitpicking: * The vernal equinox is nowhere near Aquarius, either celestially or sidereal-zodiacally. The 'Age of Aquarius' doesn't start until the 24th century at the earliest. **
This is fascinating because it depends on who defines the boundries of the houses in the precessional cycle. Aquarius started in the early 20th Century according to some charts and won't start for another 500 years according to others.
Robert Bauval got in trouble for this reason. He calculated that the Sphinx is lined up in accordance with the dawn of the Age of Leo, something like 10,500 BC. But since astrological positions like this are based on wildly different assumptions his date was rejected by most astrologers (Bauval is a construction engineer.)
It's why nobody knows when or if the "Age of Aquarius" will ever start -- or already has started. Astrologers disagree.
2003-06-02 22:44 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 2 2003, 15:50 It's why nobody knows when or if the "Age of Aquarius" will ever start -- or already has started. Astrologers disagree.
If anybody knows, I betcha it's wintermute. Maybe he'll jump in here and help us back-slidden pagans out.
;)
2003-06-02 23:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by Drakmal@Jun 2 2003, 12:13 ** Minor science nitpicking: * The vernal equinox is nowhere near Aquarius, either celestially or sidereal-zodiacally. The 'Age of Aquarius' doesn't start until the 24th century at the earliest. **
I realize that it will be a long time until the vernal equinox will be well inside Aquarius. However the lenght of each age is determined by the total amount of time it takes for the entire revolution. Since the twelve constellations don't fill every inch of the horizon, there is some void space.
When exactly to put the start and stop date for each age is debated, some say that Aquarius began in 2000AD, othes say it won't start until 2100AD
2003-06-02 23:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 2 2003, 14:50 ** > Originally posted by Drakmal@Jun 2 2003, 18:13 ** Minor science nitpicking: * The vernal equinox is nowhere near Aquarius, either celestially or sidereal-zodiacally. The 'Age of Aquarius' doesn't start until the 24th century at the earliest. **
This is fascinating because it depends on who defines the boundries of the houses in the precessional cycle. Aquarius started in the early 20th Century according to some charts and won't start for another 500 years according to others.
Robert Bauval got in trouble for this reason. He calculated that the Sphinx is lined up in accordance with the dawn of the Age of Leo, something like 10,500 BC. But since astrological positions like this are based on wildly different assumptions his date was rejected by most astrologers (Bauval is a construction engineer.)
It's why nobody knows when or if the "Age of Aquarius" will ever start -- or already has started. Astrologers disagree. **
The theory about Leo and the Spinx is a good one. Even though it is visually hard to tell where each age begins and ends, we know for sure that the entire process is 25,920 years and each age is 2160.
It takes 72 years for the Zodiac to move one degree. I could say Aquarius starts today and someone else could say that Aquarius starts in 72 years and their would be very little visual difference.
Since we don't have a record of a start or stop date used by any previous civillization, Astronomers argue about where to put the start and stop points now.
It's true, that some body of Astronomers should set a convention that everyone follows.
By the way, there exists very ancient maps that accurately depict Antartica without it's ice caps. Also the Sphinx is extremely old and was built when Egypt had a rainy climate. The face on the spinx is newer than the rest of the body and is also too small for the body. The current face was probably carved out of the original head after the spinxe was already thousands of years old. The King mentioned on the Sphinx Cartuoche only restored the already ancient Spinx, he is not the builder and it is probably not his face on the Sphinx. While it is impossible to say for certain why the Sphinx was built, the best bet is that it has something to do with the constellation Leo.
The valley of the Kings appears to be one great star map made over Thousands of years by two different cultures and one single religion. All arguments that the Great Pyramids are dynastic is bullshit. The Great periods are much older and appear to be a map of Orions' (Osiris if your an ancient Egyptian) belt.
The Dynastic Pyramids are much smaller and small far less skill.
2003-06-02 23:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 2 2003, 14:50 **
It's why nobody knows when or if the "Age of Aquarius" will ever start -- or already has started. Astrologers disagree. **
Do you know what we are talking about?!? Of course it will start. In 25,920 years it start again.
2003-06-03 01:16 | User Profile
Originally posted by heritagelost@Jun 2 2003, 23:35 ** ... All arguments that the Great Pyramids are dynastic is bullshit. The Great periods are much older and appear to be a map of Orions' (Osiris if your an ancient Egyptian) belt.
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What miffed Bauval, I think, is that the Egyptians came right out and said so in the Pyramic Texts. He asked why no archeologist had enough math to realize the texts are star charts, expressed poetically. The texts were placed there in the early dynasties and Wallis Budge has written that they were already old then.
The Orion part of the Pyramid Texts start about halfway through:
I have travelled the roads of Rostau On water and on land; Then on to the roads of Osiris, Which are in the sky...
And so on, which is were "as above, so below" comes from. "Rostau" is what we now call the Giza Plain. Giza's celestial counterpart, the Rostau in the sky, is Orion.
BTW, I meant the date for Aquarius is debatable. I've known 3 astrologers in my life. They all had a different date for it. As I heard it, nobody can agree on the boundry line for Pisces and Aquarius.
2003-06-04 05:54 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Jun 2 2003, 14:50 > Originally posted by Drakmal@Jun 2 2003, 18:13 ** Minor science nitpicking: * The vernal equinox is nowhere near Aquarius, either celestially or sidereal-zodiacally. The 'Age of Aquarius' doesn't start until the 24th century at the earliest. **
This is fascinating because it depends on who defines the boundries of the houses in the precessional cycle. Aquarius started in the early 20th Century according to some charts and won't start for another 500 years according to others.**
Fortunately we can look at the historical records for some clue as to where to start. The Egyptians ca. 3000-4000 BC were the first to divide the ecliptic into 12 equal lunes, each named after a constellation near the ecliptic, as a time-telling device. The Babylonians later began using it as a fortune-telling gimmick, but the original purpose was telling time--and the (surviving) writings of both Egypt and Babylon consistently (within a degree or so either way) have Aldebaran and Antares at 15 degrees Taurus and Scorpius respectively.
Using that system of measuring the zodiac, the location of the spring equinox is presently at about 5 degrees Pisces, and won't be near the lune designated Aquarius for a few hundred years.
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