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Thread ID: 6933 | Posts: 45 | Started: 2003-05-25
2003-05-25 23:25 | User Profile
** AntiYuppie wrote:
The fact that "neocon" and "Likudnik" or "Zionist" are used almost interchangeably even by more or less mainstream commentators must hit a little too close to home. **
[sarcasm] Well, well, well. It seems as if Franco's much-criticized tactic of "always naming the Jew, no matter what" really works! For all the hoopla about Franco being too repetative in his chants about The Jew, it seems as if repeating such name-the-Jooism really DOES make HymieToons vewwy, vewwy nervous -- testament to how powerful Franco's tactic is.
HymieToons is vewwy, vewwy a-scared dat da Evil WhiteMan will....anyone?....anyone?......KEEP NAMING THE JEW. Not good for The Hymester, nope.
Any guesses as to what would happen if 10 top newsjockies, within one week of each other, all Named The Jew? Oy! HymieToons would dump a brick in his pants -- an' I don't mean the kind used in masonry. He would be Found Out -- his worst fear. Oy.
Hey -- you can stop apologizing; it's ok.... :lol:
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2003-05-26 01:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@May 25 2003, 23:25 ** Any guesses as to what would happen if 10 top newsjockies, within one week of each other, all Named The Jew? **
Broadcast networks all have a delay loop so they can censor things like that. The broadcasters would get fired, replaced by new shills, and no one would ever know a thing.
Sorry. WNs are going to have to get their own network for that to happen.
2003-05-26 03:37 | User Profile
First things first.
Well, well, well. It seems as if Franco's much-criticized tactic of "always naming the Jew, no matter what" really works! For all the hoopla about Franco being too repetative in his chants about The Jew, it seems as if repeating such name-the-Jooism really DOES make HymieToons vewwy, vewwy nervous -- testament to how powerful Franco's tactic is.
Once and for all: shut the fck up. You make me embarrassed to be an antiSemite with your cackling baby talk, your constant references to yourself in the third person and your delusional belief that you hold the patent on noticing Jewish villainy. Every OD member had their mind made up on that topic, one way or the other, before registering here....in many cases despite *your buffoonish cheerleader act. "Franco's tactic" - naming the Jew while pointing to cloud formations and sidewalk cracks - is less than useless.
Please rent the recent comedy SUPER TROOPERS and realize that you are Officer Farva. Failing that, for Gawd's sake take your circus act to another board where it might at least have the virtue of freakish novelty. And above all: stop invoking Hitler's name, when your real hero and role model is so obviously Ernst Rohm.
**"Neoconservative has become a Trojan Horse for vast arsenal of ideological attacks and insinuations. For some it means Jewish conservative. For others it means hawk. A few still think it means squishy conservative or ex-liberal. And a few don't even know what the word means, they just think it makes them sound knowledgeable when they use it."
Liberals may be vague on right-wing zoology, but conservatives know what the score is, and they know the players all too well. They also realize that the three definitions offered above are not mutually exclusive, although I know of no one who holds to the first except Goldberg. **
Hey, Justin: stop firing 'can't we all get along' nerf-bullets like this. The gentile neoconservative is like the black guy in the Times newsroom: he's there for show. The retards waving their mini-American flags from Barcalounger America every time The O'Reilly Report begins are not 'neoconservatives', they're just a mooing herd who'll go wherever tv tells them to go so long as every channel tells them so unanimously. In fact, the term 'neoconservative' was invented by Jews to distract attention from all those consonant-salads serving as its braintrust: Kristol. Podhoretz. Radosh. Feder.
It's not that 'neoconservativism' is goyishe code for "Jewish conservatives"....but that it is self-imposed Jewish camouflage for same. Until very recently, when the Pine-Sol could no longer disguise the stench.
2003-05-26 04:28 | User Profile
** Il Ragno wrote:
Please rent the recent comedy SUPER TROOPERS and realize that you are Officer Farva. Failing that, for Gawd's sake take your circus act to another board where it might at least have the virtue of freakish novelty. And above all: stop invoking Hitler's name, when your real hero and role model is so obviously Ernst Rohm.**
Oy vey! Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. And to think that I praised you just one week ago. Golly....go figger.
And, the moderator[s] will note that I did not utter the swear word, Ragno did [just in case ya feel another banning urge].
My [unsolicited] advice to Il Ragno: please decide if you are just a paleocon, or a Linderite, or a plain WN -- it's hard to be all at once. Dizzying, even.
Finally, as Birdman said, name-calling is a sign of being out-argued... :angry: Learn some tolerance, son...
2003-05-26 04:36 | User Profile
And, I might add for the moderators, suggestions of HomoFag-ness are grounds for banning on many BBs. Not that I suggest that, mind you, but, I simply note that for the record....why is this guy attacking with such amazing suggestions, I ask....?????
An apology is due. I will wait for it.
2003-05-26 04:38 | User Profile
Easy, Spiderman. Franco deserves to take a bow in front of this piece that seems to back up his contention, and he generally provides a delightful respite amid so much over-analyzation. Bad day on rebbe's underground train, il ragno?
Franco, speaking for the non all stars and occasional troublemakers, you're appreciated. :heart:
2003-05-26 04:45 | User Profile
il ragno showed its true nature and scribbled:
Once and for all: shut the fck up*. **
I gotta better idea: why don't you take your own advice. Franco's got some big advantages over you, homey: 1) he's actually White, 2) he's in the right, 3) he writes for Alex Linder. Check yo' self before ya wreck yo' self, homedawg.
By the way, if someone wants to look into a possible genetic basis for illy rag's behavior.... let's pull out good ol' Cavalli-Sforza.
Closest relatives to Ashkenazi Jews:
Palestinian Arabs 18 Muslim Kurds 21 Cypriot Greek 22 Kurdish Jews 23 Bedouins 25 Egyptian 27 Sephardic Jews 27 Turkish 28 Parsi 31 Romanian 34
Genetic distances for modern day Greeks:
Cypriot 8 Turkish 21 Ashkenazi Jew 23 Sephardic Jew 24 Egyptian 26 Muslim Kurd 26 Romanian 26 Bulgarian 29 Armenian 30
You read right, today's swarthier (mixed) Greeks are related closer to Jews than to Aryans. Maybe that explains a few things about our buddy illy rag here.
And before illy raises a stink about these facts being posted: remember who attacked whom first. Last time I checked, Franco hasn't attacked illy even once. Illy rag attacks Franco all the time. So we know which is the aggressor. What's good fo' da goose be good fo' da gander, homey.
2003-05-26 04:47 | User Profile
** Franco wrote: And, I might add for the moderators, suggestions of HomoFag-ness are grounds for banning on many BBs. Not that I suggest that, mind you, but, I simply note that for the record....why is this guy attacking with such amazing suggestions, I ask....?????
An apology is due. I will wait for it.**
Hehe.. and can you believe it? A Greek accusing an Aryan of being gay.. man, the irony is thick enough to cut..
2003-05-26 05:10 | User Profile
I don't doubt that, in real life, you're a solid citizen and a good man. But I don't know you in real life, so that doesn't apply here.
What I do know is you're playing a tune comprised of one extremely tiresome note. Your act hasn't 'converted' anybody at this website...not one person
I'll go further and add that your banging a stick on a can is forcing people to waver in their racial awareness. It's as if you're cashing a check from the ADL every week to cast the white nationalist in the worst sort of light.
My [unsolicited] advice to Il Ragno: please decide if you are just a paleocon, or a Linderite, or a plain WN -- it's hard to be all at once.
Why? Because you say it is? Then that's reason enough to doubt it. Since you admit your message-board approach has either gotten you banned, ridiculed or ignored wherever you've tried it, can you - or somebody, anybody - please point out to me the net benefits of Francoism?
2003-05-26 05:20 | User Profile
illy rag squealed: But I don't know you in real life, so that doesn't apply here.
In real life (hell, since when is the 'Net not part of reality, anyway) he's J.R. Colson, a White racial activist and top writer for VNN. In real life, you're neither of these. So, again, howzabout ya take your own advice. And shut your pie-hole.
What I do know is you're playing a tune comprised of one extremely tiresome note. Your act hasn't 'converted' anybody at this website...not one person **
You're wrong, on both counts. I know this. His tone isn't tiresome; he just happens to have the good sense to stay on topic. Instead of "bragging" about being a porn store clerk, for example.
**I'll go further and add that your banging a stick on a can is forcing people to waver in their racial awareness. It's as if you're cashing a check from the ADL every week to cast the white nationalist in the worst sort of light. **
Pot. Kettle. Black. (Or at least greasy..) You're the one doing all the posturing and attacking. Franco has never attacked you.
Since you admit your message-board approach has either gotten you banned, ridiculed or ignored wherever you've tried it, can you - or somebody, anybody - please point out to me the net benefits of Francoism?
Gee, why is it that the ridicule here seems to be directed at you, then? Why do I see Franco's articles up at VNN, and none of yours? Man, what a joke.
2003-05-26 05:26 | User Profile
Originally posted by AryanKnight@May 26 2003, 00:47 ** > ** Franco wrote: And, I might add for the moderators, suggestions of HomoFag-ness are grounds for banning on many BBs. Not that I suggest that, mind you, but, I simply note that for the record....why is this guy attacking with such amazing suggestions, I ask....?????
An apology is due. I will wait for it.**
Hehe.. and can you believe it? A Greek accusing an Aryan of being gay.. man, the irony is thick enough to cut.. **
AryanKnight,
This line of discussion about the ethnicity of one of our posters is incredibly divisive and unnecessary.
...and to all parties involved in the "Franco v. il ragno" sub-theme of this thread: it might be better to confine these sorts of personal exchanges to Private Messages.
I'm a little surprised to have encountered this level of discourse here at OD tonight, usually we're much more civil, even when we have our disagreements.
2003-05-26 05:28 | User Profile
Hmmm. Aryan Knight thinks I'm a Jew. Or black, or something equally impure.
Gosh, and here I thought light brown hair, fair skin and blue eyes indicated something else entirely. But seeing how Hitler didn't fit the profile either, maybe he was a Marrano who made a wrong turn at Albuquerque!
And we know Aryan Knight is Aryan because....well....because he's got "Aryan" in his fake computer name. That settles that, I suppose.
As for Rohm, the reference wasn't to his ass-banditry but to the boorish & counterproductive liability he posed to the Reich once Hitler had gotten in. Or are you naive enough to believe Hitler only learned of Rohm's taste for chicken after the elections?
"'Since I am an immature and wicked man, war and unrest appeal to me more than the good bourgeois order." Ernst Rohm, Hochverrater. **
Such sentiments were no longer needed once the goal had been achieved and Hitler wisely cut his losses. Faggotry had nothing to do with it.
2003-05-26 05:32 | User Profile
Well, I hate to rub it in, but I have my own website, which is called to a browser often [do a Google search for Jews/Communism or Jews and Bolsheviks]. Does Il Ragno have such? I'm guessing....no.
Hey, I hate to cast stones, but.....is a Greek poo-pooing a 'solid White guy??' I must ask. I have no idea what Il Ragno looks like, but, since he is attacking me so viciously, I must wonder....why am I the bad guy??? Time for Ragno to put up or else....
Thanks to all who offered support for me...I appreciate it.
My website is [url=http://cptwc.matriots.com/index.html]http://cptwc.matriots.com/index.html[/url]
Does Ragman have a website???? Shoot sh*t or get off the pot....
2003-05-26 05:35 | User Profile
**PaleoconAvatar wrote: AryanKnight,
This line of discussion about the ethnicity of one of our posters is incredibly divisive and unnecessary.**
Uh-huh. And libeling someone as queer is just fine and dandy, right?
Besides, here's what you posted to someone in the "Apocalypse Now" thread:
"You must be one of those Legion Europa types that's always worried about Nordicism. People who whine about this sort of thing help create the very problem that they claim to be fighting."
Aren't you sounding a bit like one of those Legion types now?
And you also wrote:
"LE doesn't like this [Nordicist/Aryanist] standard much since they want to know why the British Isles and Northwestern Europe get to set the standard. The answer is that those areas of Europe are where the founding core of the country originally came from. Shouldn't they get to call the shots?"
2003-05-26 05:46 | User Profile
Since you admit your message-board approach has either gotten you banned, ridiculed or ignored wherever you've tried it, can you - or somebody, anybody - please point out to me the net benefits of Francoism?
Raising the issue among people who might otherwise not hear it, even at the price of being banned, ridiculed or ignored. He doesn't hang around here all the time seeing how thin a hair can be split or perfecting his prose, although he's good with it.
Most folks here recognize your talents as well.
2003-05-26 05:47 | User Profile
I'm still waiting for Il Ragno to give us his website URL. To show us that he is a WN "activist" like I am.....no?? Why not..??? Time to put up or shut up...come on....
So -- I am the bad guy 'cause Ragno says so...??? Really???
2003-05-26 05:54 | User Profile
Who, me?
Nobody here but us queer Cypriot Jews, boss!
2003-05-26 06:02 | User Profile
AK,
You could easily have PM'ed me rather than posted this to the board. I'd hoped this thread could be salvaged.
I'm flattered that you are so familiar with the content of my posts. However, you're comparing apples and oranges--why would I allow my views about the merits of a particular organization's strategy to dictate my view of what relations posters should have on a message board--especially when those posters have all demonstrated loyalty to the Occidental Cause?
2003-05-26 06:19 | User Profile
Sorry for the hurt feelings all around....but a PM to Franco would've been useless, resulting in twice as many 'beachball' posts. (No need to point out it's going to result in that anyway. I knew that already; that's why I registered my complaint.)
My thinking is - sooner or later, somebody had to say it. So I did. I wasn't expecting to be lauded for my outburst, but you'd better believe I could care less about any condemnation I catch for it. If I have to censor myself - here - why the hell log on in the first place?
I could actually enjoy Franco's stuff if it was clever, or insightful, or funny. But it's the same old same old, ad nauseum and infinitum. The shrillest Hitler fans inevitably degrade the man's memory. Y'know, there are those of us who admire him for his statesmanship and patriotism, yet have enough 20/20 vision to realize he had terrible flaws and helped to destroy the country he loved, too. And who understand America Today is not Germany Then.
2003-05-26 06:31 | User Profile
illy rag sqeaked thusly: I could actually enjoy Franco's stuff if it was clever, or insightful, or funny. But it's the same old same old, ad nauseum and infinitum.
Not only is Franco clever, insightful, and often funny; he also stays on topic. Unlike you.
If Franco wasn't clever/insightful/funny, Alex Linder would never have appointed him as one of the most prominent writers on VNN. (I notice that your writings are pointedly missing from VNN, hmmm...) By slandering Franco, you are also slandering that giant of a man, Alex Linder, who recognizes Franco's talents.
So, again, I suggest you take your own advice and (as you so delicately put it) "shut the f*ck up."
(And that's all, folks. For this thread. The truth needed to be spoken, but illy rag is not important enough to dwell on for more than a few moments...)
2003-05-26 07:16 | User Profile
Well, I do not want to get snotty, but...true WN activists have their own websites. Where is Il Ragno's? Gimme a URL....c'mon....talk is cheap...show me what ya got...
I thought so....hey -- you started the fight, not me....if anyone should be angry, it is me...c'mon, show me....and no cheap suggestions of faggotry when you do...can you do that...huh...????
Guess not....
2003-05-26 07:42 | User Profile
From Franco's site at [url=http://cptwc.matriots.com/purpose.html]http://cptwc.matriots.com/purpose.html[/url] :
**Our Purpose
Hello, and welcome to the WSI website. The purpose of this website is to educate the White Western public about the ongoing attacks upon White culture by Jews and non-Whites.
Using this website, we warn that White Western culture will soon end, unless White people take aggressive measures to prevent that ending.
We stress that the ending of White culture is not coming by accident, that such an ending is being planned and pushed by non-White people. Specifically, that ending is mostly being planned and pushed by Jews, who are technically a non-White race by long interbreeding. "Jewish" is also a religion.
Whites and Jews are natural enemies, and have been battling each other for centuries. The Jews now have the upper hand in the West. They dominate our media, our movies, our literature and our popular culture(s).
To be sure, Whites today have many enemies--e.g., racial minorities, leftism, feminism, Communism--but Jews are the most powerful among those enemies. As a result, we Whites must focus our activism largely on Jews.
We strongly suggest that White Western, aka Occidental, culture--i.e., all White countries and their cultures, including art, customs, laws, music, literature, values--is the greatest culture in human history, and that it is worth preserving and fighting for.
Finally, while this website may seem bare or too small to some, it should be noted that we wish to stress quality over quantity -- we have selected what we feel are the most important essays, documents and links concerning White nationalism.
(Note that "White countries" includes not only America, Britain, Canada, Germany, Sweden and France, but also Spain, Italy and Greece. "Western" refers basically to White countries west of Poland, but including Greece).**
Franco included Greece as "part of the White club" in his mission statement, incidentally.
2003-05-26 07:53 | User Profile
Well, yes, Greeks are White. But I question why Il Ragno attacks me so. Some Greeks are really dark...is that the [his] case....??
Why suggest that I am a damn faggot? Huh??
I am being polite by not going further than I have....I am pulling my punches, just so that Tex and Frederick know this...I could go off, but, they might ban me again...I am being polite....
Ragno needs to apologize...and cough up his holy website URL....I did NOTNOTNOT start this, he did. I will not apologize for something I did not start. Dig???
2003-05-26 08:10 | User Profile
** PaleoconAvatar: Franco included Greece as "part of the White club" in his mission statement, incidentally.**
Yes, and he's right. Greece is a historically White nation, and even many of today's Greeks qualify as White. Obviously, a number of Greeks are the product of heavy race-mixing--they're the significant exception to this rule. Note that I said the "swarthier Greeks" (similar to swarthier, southern Italians rather than all), not Greeks as a whole.
Anyway, I really am done with this thread--I just needed to respond to that, as it seemed (at least in part) directed at me.
2003-05-26 08:36 | User Profile
Apologize? For what? Speaking the bloody obvious?
First Franco. Oh my dear God you're even dumber than I thought. "He called me gay!" Well, yeah, unless you've been paying the slightest bit of attention. Like page 1 of this thread where I explicitly point out why I likened you to Rohm. And what kind of a Nazi are you anyway? Rohm was a key figure in Nazi history, and - oh yeah - head of the SA. Is it my fault the guy preferred catching to pitching? (By the way, Alex Linder - you know, the guy I automatically "slandered" by calling Franco a buffoon? - happens to be a huge Oscar Wilde fan. Of course, Linder knows how to separate a man's public and private life. But then, he's not an idiot. Unlike you and your buddy Aryan Knight.)
Furthermore, I fail to see how having your own website has any bearing on the value of what you write. A fool is still a fool - even if he self-publishes. These are your two points here: "I'm better than you cuz I have a website" and "you called me queer". No you aren't and no I didn't.
Now for your bench coach, Aryan Knight: it would be easier - and faster - just to list the facts you got right in your series of screeds (none) than to catalogue the Jayson Blairesque lies and bonehead errors in your posts. But just for the record:
**Not only is Franco clever, insightful, and often funny; he also stays on topic. Unlike you. If Franco wasn't clever/insightful/funny, Alex Linder would never have appointed him as one of the most prominent writers on VNN. (I notice that your writings are pointedly missing from VNN, hmmm...) By slandering Franco, you are also slandering that giant of a man, Alex Linder, who recognizes Franco's talents. **
Well, see - here you're either stupid, or a liar. Or both. I mean, I was in there last freakin' week, after all. Beyond that, a day or two later somebody named "DW" posted an article that was pretty much comprised of text pasted directly from one of my OD posts, and a day after that the article was reposted on Bill White's OVERTHROW site. Alex has consistently said very nice things to and about me and only my reticence at tooting my own horn prevents me from reprinting them here. He also knows I don't march in lockstep to everything he writes...or everyone who writes for VNN.... but I've consistently defended him regardless. And he's not a "giant of a man", just a good one (and a very good writer).
I was going to rebut every 'point' you offered up but, really and truly, arguing with someone like you is like reaching into a public toilet to snatch a coin lying at the bottom: the degradation outweighs any possible 'victory'. If you're Franco's #1 fan, then you just proved the truth of everything I said. Maybe you ought to start referring to yourself in the third person exclusively and launch a website. That way, even a mouth-breathing 'tard like yourself can magically become "clever/insightful/funny", too.
2003-05-26 20:14 | User Profile
Moved this in here so we can keep Neo-Con Watch clean and pristine. :)
2003-05-26 20:15 | User Profile
AryanKnight -- thanks for the support, although I do admit that my writing is not exactly Shakespeare. But it gets better.
Il Ragno -- uh-huh....your backpedaling on the E. Rohm issue says it all. I know what you meant -- you could have chosen another Nazi figure to compare me to......and, also revealing is more of your silly name-calling after you did enough name-calling already. The moderators, and others, will kindly note that I did not toss around any trashy names or slurs like Ragno did. Could I -- stupid, knuckle-dragging, non-in-tell-ect-ual me -- be more tolerant than the Great Il Ragno? Zounds! Call the press.
And, I do not refer to myself in the 3rd person hardly at all, and you know that, too. Why you make that charge as "exclusively," I have no idea.
I hereby withdraw any praise I heaped upon you, and suggest that you learn to tolerate other, uhhh....less-highbrow attitudes. Lofty words and phrases don't win many blue-collar converts, either, matey.
2003-05-26 20:24 | User Profile
Tex -- ahhh...ok.
Hey, I am the good guy here. I did not start tossing around "Franco is a knuckle-dragging goon" slurs. Ragno did.
Question: is Ragno really a WN? Or just a paleo who gets his panties in a bunch when someone uses language he does not like on a BB? Honest question, itz. Why write letters to VNN like Ragno does, if he ain't a WN? Why bash Franco if he ain't a WN?
2003-05-26 20:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by AryanKnight@May 26 2003, 00:20 **Instead of "bragging" about being a porn store clerk, for example. **
Since AryanKnight is still a new member here, the only way he could have obtained this information is an established member leaking it, since it was originally posted in the members-only miscellaneous forum.
I tried to set up a members-only forum so we could all be a bit more open away from guest lurkers' eyes. It has obviously been compromised so everyone should take heed of that before they post anything in this forum they don't want the mass public to read.
I'll have to think on whether or not this members-only forum still has a purpose.
2003-05-26 20:38 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@May 26 2003, 16:25 ** > Originally posted by AryanKnight@May 26 2003, 00:20 **Instead of "bragging" about being a porn store clerk, for example. **
Since AryanKnight is still a new member here, the only way he could have obtained this information is an established member leaking it, since it was originally posted in the members-only miscellaneous forum.
I tried to set up a members-only forum so we could all be a bit more open away from guest lurkers' eyes. It has obviously been compromised so everyone should take heed of that before they post anything in this forum they don't want the mass public to read.
I'll have to think on whether or not this members-only forum still has a purpose. **
I was wondering if AK and Franco were the same person, which would explain things a little.
If not, then I should point out that I've noticed when using the "who's online" feature that I've seen people listed as "Guests" looking at topics in "Members Only." I assumed that it must be some sort of glitch and that the guests were actually anonymous members, etc. But maybe guests can somehow see into the forum, though? Maybe I should have said something about what I saw.
At any rate, I don't post anything here that I wouldn't want others to see in general, since I know that "security" on the Internet is really an illusory and fleeting thing and should never be relied upon. I've been burned in the past elsewhere because I assumed that a password-protected message area was truly private, and the SPLC or ADL had some moles on the board. I've learned my lesson...then again, I have nothing left to hide anyway now as a result of that little incident--my name and identity are now well known to certain parties, sadly.
And TD, thanks for salvaging the thread in Neo-Con Watch. I think this should be dedicated as the official running "Franco Wars" thread to which all these sorts of battles can be relegated. Perhaps the various parties involved will tire of the "merry-go-round" once they notice that the thread has grown to 43,928 replies...eventually we'll all get it out of our systems.
2003-05-26 20:46 | User Profile
PaleoconA --
Heh, heh -- I can assure you that I and AK are NOT the same person. Surely Tex could tell this, somehow. I do not know AK at all, nada, zip, but I thank him for the support. He must read VNN, though.
I only "know" a couple posters here, from my e-list. There are maybe 3 such people here, and, NO, I do not send ANY OD stuff thru my e-list. My e-list members are more hard-core than OD, as a rule. So, no need to.
2003-05-26 20:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@May 26 2003, 15:38 **If not, then I should point out that I've noticed when using the "who's online" feature that I've seen people listed as "Guests" looking at topics in "Members Only." I assumed that it must be some sort of glitch and that the guests were actually anonymous members, etc. But maybe guests can somehow see into the forum, though? **
This comes from guests clicking on the topic shown in the "Latest Posts" link from the main index page. They do get a non-permission error message, but in the "who's online" box of the forum they show as viewing that topic, which they really aren't.
I removed the "Latest Posts" link from the main index page a while back because of this, but received several complaints from those who liked it there. I put it back deciding that I will just have to live with guest seeing only the topic titles until a hack is released that does not export posts from hidden forums. The bottom line is that guests and new members cannot read any specific posts in the members only forum.
**And TD, thanks for salvaging the thread in Neo-Con Watch. **
No problem. There is probably less tolerance for off-topic posts in Neo-Con Watch than any other forum, since it is the featured forum where most new lurkers enter the board for the first time. By moving it into the members-only forum, everyone can go at it since there's really no moderation to speak of here.
2003-05-26 21:43 | User Profile
**Why write letters to VNN like Ragno does, if he ain't a WN? Why bash Franco if he ain't a WN? **
Now let me ask you a question. Two of them, in fact.
1) For a fellow who wails about how Jews invented communism, why do you continually insist that to strongly disagree with your tactics, your approach and your rhetoric constitutes treason to the collectivist nature of the "movement".....moreover, that to do so invalidates one's claim to be a white man who loves his race? Doesn't any of that strike you as....well...Communist? And exactly who died and left you boss, anyway?
2) Since the War on Terror is rapidly losing steam, and there is growing unrest at the more sinister aspects of the Patriot Act/OHS, the Bush/Likudnik axis will seek to win support and maintain power by going after 'haters'...they're doing it right now. Sally Soccermom is undecided about the Arab menace - and totally oblivious to the Jewish menace - but you can bet she's in a perpetual yellow-terror-alert over 'race haters'. My own feeling is we have little to fear from ADL trolls, but much to fear from ADL plants. I would imagine that the m.o. of such plants will be to reduce every pointed, intelligent, forceful argument in defense of the white race to the crassest sort of low-iq Jew bashing. This will effectively taint every member of this forum with guilt-by-association while also driving away every potential new member who is coming around to the paleo/WN viewpoint but would just as soon not have his door kicked in at 6 am one morning because he posts to a forum populated by people like Franco. I'm not saying Franco is an ADL plant. What I am saying is all ADL plants will sound exactly like Franco: "white men" whose sole interest is in lowering the tone of discourse below sea-level and guaranteeing this stays a fringe movement - easy to demonize, easy to dismiss, and easy pickings for harassment by ZOG. How about it, Franco? Are you now or have you ever been...?
2003-05-26 22:06 | User Profile
Not so. Hitler was protective of Streicher because he realized Streicher's value as a propagandist.
Alex Linder is more of a Streicher figure. You may dislike him but he's skilled as a writer and knows the value of multiple approaches to the same destination. (Okay, VNN has no Fips yet, but you know what I'm getting at.)
Sorry, but Franco is no Streicher. He has one message, delivered in one standard dosage, and he insists on administering it to people who were 'naming the Jew' long before he started showing up here.
2003-05-26 22:07 | User Profile
Il Ragno --
I've stopped waiting for any apology from you for the "I should find another BB" comment. It's ok...no prob...
Hey, my racial tactics are actually very mild. My posting language is mild. I don't even use swear words in my OD posts, unlike...uh....some people.
That post of yours shows that you are indeed a paleo, not a 'hard-core WN.' If my mild tone [as a rule] offends thee, well, so it likewise offends other paleos...see the connection?
How are any of my posts at OD alienating to Miss Sally Gee-I-Can-Vote? Linder's tone makes mine look very tame. :rolleyes:
As fer me being a plant, nahhhh...I been doing this WN thing fer too long fer that....but, I'm glad you suggested it anyhoo! How nice of you!
2003-05-26 22:24 | User Profile
In that case, you're no White Nationalist either. You're a VNN fan to the tenth power. Which is fine, but you're missing the point that VNN is VNN, and that which is not - is not. For some reason you find this intolerable. What I find intolerable is you arrogantly deciding what category everybody else falls into. Mr "K-k-kwistian" is as bad as any of the pulpit bullies he derides, looking upon the already-converted and finding them wanting.
Y'know, I tried checking out your website before (which I assume is "Jeff's Archive"). I couldn't access anything on there - some type of snafu? - but I'd wager you don't adopt the same tone on your site as you do on this one. That excerpt from it that was posted earlier on OD pretty much bears out that assumption. Too bad for us you put on your clown shoes every time you come here.
2003-05-26 22:52 | User Profile
** Il Ragno wrote:
Y'know, I tried checking out your website before (which I assume is "Jeff's Archive"). I couldn't access anything on there - some type of snafu? - but I'd wager you don't adopt the same tone on your site as you do on this one. That excerpt from it that was posted earlier on OD pretty much bears out that assumption. Too bad for us you put on your clown shoes every time you come here.**
Uhhh, no, Wordmaster, "Jeff's Archive" is not my website. Why did you think it was? Did I say it was?
Sooo, now I wear clown shoes, huh? More name-calling. I expected more from Mister Big Fancy Words.
Say, Il Rag, do you always argue like that -- use cute little insults? I notice that, each time, you drag out that cheap name-calling tactic. Maybe you are just too emotional....?? They have special medicine for that.
2003-05-26 22:56 | User Profile
Franco, for the record, I want to say that I respect and enjoy your posts.
2003-05-26 23:02 | User Profile
This kind of division is not constructive. It only helps our real enemies.
2003-05-27 00:21 | User Profile
** ValleyForge wrote:
Franco, for the record, I want to say that I respect and enjoy your posts.**
Well, thanks, VF. Likewise.
Although, I wonder how you could enjoy the posts of......[sarcasm] *someone who wears clown shoes. *
2003-05-27 00:35 | User Profile
AryanKnight His tone isn't tiresome; Yes it sometimes is.
AryanKnight Why do I see Franco's articles up at VNN, and none of yours? And Franco: I have my own website, which is called to a browser often [do a Google search for Jews/Communism or Jews and Bolsheviks]. Does Il Ragno have such? I'm guessing.... no. Oh geez... What idiotic standards you are calling for to judge ââ¬Åworthââ¬Â ââ¬â as if whether you publish on VNN or have your own website MEANS anything! SHEESH guys, Youââ¬â¢re acting like 6-yr-olds snarling and snapping at each other. Il ragno is one of my all-time favs on this forum; he is extremely knowledgeable, writes very well, and has a wicked sense of humour. Franco is also one of my favorites, even though he sometimes exasperates ME with his silly ââ¬Ëaccentsââ¬â¢ and ranting. The fact that Franco irritates the older folks (of whom I am one) is NOT surprising, and Franco, you just canââ¬â¢t argue people out of that. You KNOW you annoy folks, so suck it up and take responsibility for it!
**Franco: since he is attacking me so viciously, I must wonder....why am I the bad guy??? **
IR is NOT attacking you and especially not viciously -- if you think being told ââ¬Ëshut the f. upââ¬â¢ is vicious, then you are acting like a weenie! Heââ¬â¢s exasperated and fed up and you MUST know that your posts are often exasperating and annoying, right? And you DO know that I like you, like your posts, and support your actions -- but that DOES NOT mean youââ¬â¢re not often annoying and exasperating!
** Franco: I question why Il Ragno attacks me so.** Because sometimes youââ¬â¢re just SO annoying that you need it! And I say that as one who is ON your mailing list, so I get a huge number of your mailings; some are great and some are silly. Franco, you and I have emailed privately back and forth about this before, and you know I appreciate your writing, most of the time. That does NOT mean youââ¬â¢re not annoying sometimes too. And if you ARE going to annoy people, you ARE going to hear about it. Get over it.
** Ragno needs to apologize...and cough up his holy website URL....I did NOTNOTNOT start this, he did. I will not apologize for something I did not start. Dig??? ** You did start it by ââ¬Ëmaking a loud noiseââ¬â¢ in a quiet area, and when someone else, who prefers the quiet intellectual area to remain quiet and intellectual, snarls at you, YOU donââ¬â¢t need to continue it and argue and rant and just generally be a childish pain. Just go about your business. Shouting that you ââ¬Ådid notnotnot startââ¬Â it (geez Franco, really!) is no more persuasive than a 6-yr-old saying the same thing as mommy hauls him off the playground.
2003-05-27 00:45 | User Profile
Well how am I supposed to know which url is yours, after all? You list four of them; I assumed yours was the one directly under VNN.
You have been asked this question before and you've ignored it every time.
Since everyone on this board was already 'naming the Jew' long before you got here, what is the point of your continually demanding that we do what we have been doing? Over and over and over and over?
2003-05-27 00:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 27 2003, 00:45 ** Since everyone on this board was already 'naming the Jew' long before you got here, what is the point of your continually demanding that we do what we have been doing? Over and over and over and over? **
Certain facts, arguments, and themes need to be repeated over and over again, for the benefit of newcomers, as a counter-weight to Jew propaganda. I think that has a lot to do with it.
2003-05-27 01:11 | User Profile
Il Ragno -- the URL is [url=http://cptwc.matriots.com/index.html]http://cptwc.matriots.com/index.html[/url] [this website is currently being rebuilt -- some of the text was amateurish and way-out-of-date; in fact, some of the text was even taken from old e-list mailings. It has also been renamed, and will 're-open' very soon].
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VF is CORRECT. I repeat myself because good propaganda is not propaganda UNLESS it is repeated. That is how you were all brainwashed in school.
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Avalanche -- awww, Mom.
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2003-05-27 01:30 | User Profile
(Major laughter!) Thank you, dear.
(Well, after all, I WAS once 'elected' OD den mother... although no one is quite sure how...)