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Valley Forge [OP]

2003-05-24 23:03 | User Profile

View from Lodi, CA: MEchA And Memorial Day

LINK:http://vdare.com/guzzardi/memorial_day.htm

On May 12th, the Lodi News-Sentinel published Julio Hernandez’s letter titled “Responding to Guzzardi.”

Hernandez, who identified himself as a Tokay High School teacher, exhorted me to “be a man” and “to tell it like it is” regarding my “hidden agenda.” Hernandez chided me not “to hide behind a children’s program.” and to cease and desist on my “hateful” and “prejudiced propaganda” regarding immigration.

In accordance with Hernandez’s very clear wishes, in this column I will come clean —on everything.

First, let me provide you with a little history. Hernandez wrote a letter to the News-Sentinel about one year ago similar in tone and content to his of May 12th. Two days before Hernandez’s 2002 letter, the News-Sentinel published another letter highly critical of me—this one written by Rosa Maria Casillas—who is also a Tokay High teacher.

The same pattern occurred two weeks ago—a Casillas letter followed within a day or two by a Hernandez letter.

Casual News-Sentinel readers might assume that Hernandez and Casillas are two local Hispanics concerned about perceived slights against Mexicans.

Actually, the disingenuous Hernandez and Casillas are man and wife.

And they have much more than a passing interest in people like me who promote assimilation.

Casillas and Hernandez are the current and former Tokay High faculty advisors to Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan) or MEChA, as it is more commonly known.

I knew all of this last year. And I considered responding then. But I let their personal attacks go without comment because I thought them juvenile and shallow. And I further thought that to slur a fellow Lodi Unified School District teacher in the local newspaper is in exceptionally poor taste.

They could have, after all, aired their concerns in an e-mail or dropped me a note in the inter-district mail.

Or they could have invited me to visit them on the Tokay High campus—a stone’s throw from my home.

But Casillas and Hernandez aren’t interested in talking to me. They prefer to talk about me.

So as you read on, remember that Hernandez insisted upon a reply. And remember too that he chose the Lodi News-Sentinel as his forum.

I laughed when Hernandez demanded I reveal my “hidden agenda” because he— as a former faculty advisor to MEChA—has been so circumspect about his own politics.

If you don’t know about MEChA, then pull up a chair and stay awhile. You will be shocked.

Briefly stated, MEChA supports “la reconquista” of Aztlan, known to you as the American Southwest. In other words, MEChA wants Mexico to “reclaim” California, Arizona, Texas and other southwestern states.

Read the MEChA Preamble taken directly from its Constitution:

“Chicano and Chicana students of Aztlan must take upon themselves the responsibilities to promote Chicanismo within the community, politicizing our Raza with an emphasis on indigenous consciousness to continue the struggle for the self-determination of the Chicano people for the purpose of liberating Aztlan.”

The MEChA motto is “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada” [color=blue]“Everything for the Race - Nothing outside the Race.” Ed. Note: And what's wrong with that! Shouldn't we be encouraging White people to adopt this attitude, instead of implying there's something wrong with it?[/color]

MEChA’s symbol is an eagle with its wings spread, bearing a macahuittle [VDARE.COM note: A macahuitl is a two-handed wooden broadsword edged with razor-sharp flint or obsidian, as used by Mexican Indians against the conquistadors] in one claw and a dynamite stick in the other with the lighted fuse in its beak.

Almost every California university campus and most high schools—including Tokay, Lodi and Bear Creek High Schools—have active MEChA chapters that promote separatism and anti-American sentiment. Your tax dollars support, in part, MEChA.

At the beginning of my column, I promised you (and Hernandez) that I would discuss my “real” agenda.

Here it is:

[color=blue]- I believe that an assimilated America is a better place than a fragmented America.[/color]

Okiereddust

2003-05-25 04:23 | User Profile

The MEChA motto is “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada” “Everything for the Race - Nothing outside the Race.” > Ed. Note: And what's wrong with that! Shouldn't we be encouraging White people to adopt this attitude, instead of implying there's something wrong with it?**

MEChA’s symbol is an eagle with its wings spread, bearing a macahuittle [VDARE.COM note: A macahuitl is a two-handed wooden broadsword edged with razor-sharp flint or obsidian, as used by Mexican Indians against the conquistadors] in one claw and a dynamite stick in the other with the lighted fuse in its beak.

Almost every California university campus and most high schools—including Tokay, Lodi and Bear Creek High Schools—have active MEChA chapters that promote separatism and anti-American sentiment. Your tax dollars support, in part, MEChA.

At the beginning of my column, I promised you (and Hernandez) that I would discuss my “real” agenda.

Here it is:

You're being a little picky there ValleyForge. The columnist is promoting the traditional American/western ideal, consistent with our western individualism, of assimilation, (i.e. the melting pot) against the multiculturalist ideal (first created by AJC Horace Kallen) of happily coexisting cultures (the salad bowl) as it were.

In the political context being described, such a position is indutibly pro-western, i.e., whether Mexicans already here should remain seperate or assimilate.

Kurt

2003-05-25 04:40 | User Profile

I agree Okiereddust. Guzzardi doesn't even say racial assimilation. He's just saying that immigrants should adopt to America's ways, and not the other way around. I like [url=http://www.vdare.com/]VDARE[/url], even if it's not as radical as I might like (they "refuse to name the jew" as Linder would say), and they are not what I would call a true White Nationalist site. Still, [url=http://reason.com/]tReason[/url] makes them look like [url=http://www.govnn.com/]VNN[/url].

Valley Forge

2003-05-25 16:04 | User Profile

The columnist is promoting the traditional American/western ideal, consistent with our western individualism, of assimilation, (i.e. the melting pot) against the multiculturalist ideal (first created by AJC Horace Kallen) of happily coexisting cultures (the salad bowl) as it were.

I wouldn't say that the melting pot idea is a Western ideal, because it has never applied outside of America. Of course even in America the melting pot worked fine until we changed the game in favor of non-Whites in 1965. That's the problem with Guzzardi's position -- he doesn't recognize that the Chicanos and Mestizos he is appealing to have no interest in the traditional American ideal of assimiliation.

Valley Forge

2003-05-25 16:06 | User Profile

Originally posted by Kurt@May 25 2003, 04:40 ** I agree Okiereddust. Guzzardi doesn't even say racial assimilation. He's just saying that immigrants should adopt to America's ways, and not the other way around. I like [url=http://www.vdare.com/]VDARE[/url], even if it's not as radical as I might like (they "refuse to name the jew" as Linder would say), and they are not what I would call a true White Nationalist site. Still, [url=http://reason.com/]tReason[/url] makes them look like [url=http://www.govnn.com/]VNN[/url]. **

Kurt,

In the context of an article about Aztlan and Mecha, what kind of assimiliation do you think Guzzardi is referring to? Irish, Italian, and Swedish?

Kurt

2003-05-26 05:37 | User Profile

**Kurt,

In the context of an article about Aztlan and Mecha, what kind of assimiliation do you think Guzzardi is referring to? Irish, Italian, and Swedish?**

Yes, you have a point. I don't consider Hispanics a race, though, even if they do. It's more of a marketing gimmick; a way for a group of culturally and racially diverse people, whose only real connection to one another is a common language (Spanish), to get political power. Not all Hispanics are mestizos. I've known too many White Hispanics (Cubans and Argentines, for example), who speak with pride about their European roots (of course this doesn't stop from checking off "Hispanic" when they fill out a job application, or when their kids apply for college). I would accept White Hispanics into the WN movement if they dropped the Hispanic label, rejected the mestizo mongrels, and embraced their European heritage. Of course this would mean they'd have to say adios to their political clout, and all the government goodies (like affirmative action) they receive, so I doubt they would ever do it.

But like I said in my previous post, I don't consider VDARE a true WN site, so this doesn't bother me that much. I take what I can from the site, and ignore the rest.

NativeExile

2003-05-27 00:48 | User Profile

"The columnist is promoting the traditional American/western ideal, consistent with our western individualism, of assimilation, (i.e. the melting pot) against the multiculturalist ideal (first created by AJC Horace Kallen) of happily coexisting cultures (the salad bowl) as it were."

Sorry, okiereddust, but there is nothing of "the traditional American/western ideal" about the melting pot concept. It was conceived by a Jew, Israel Zangwill, in his play of the sma name. Here's how amazon.com plugs it:

"Written at a time when Theodore Roosevelt promoted a liberal immigration policy, this play of an Anglo-American writer has become synonymous with the American immigrant experience. In The Melting Pot, Israel Zangwill (1864-1926) delivered the message that America "is God's crucible, the great melting pot where all the races of Europe are reforming." The Melting Pot opened in Washington D.C. with President Roosevelt attending. This drama is not out-dated, especially with immigration policy issues once again at the forefront of the American political scene. " [url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881431702/inktomi-bkasin-20/002-2156969-0756813]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/088...2156969-0756813[/url]

And here is how a Jewish biograhy site lists Zanwill and his acheivements. Notice that he, like a typical Zionist and Jew, didn't advocate the melting pot for the Jewish state. Oddly, this short bio makes no mention of "The Melting Pot", his only famous work for the gentile world. Maybe they thought it too embarrasing to mention in conjunction with his advocacy of forced transfer of Arabs out of Palestine.

"Israel Zangwill was born in London in 1864 and achieved fame by his writing a number of novels on Jewish themes. In successive years he published Children of the Ghetto (1892), Ghetto Tragedies and The King of Schnorrers. Zangwill had been a leading member of the Order of Ancient Maccabeans, a Zionist society established in 1891. When Herzl visited London in 1896 he met with Zangwill to discuss Zionist plans. Zangwill attended the First Zionist Congress and additional congresses thereafter. He supported Herzl's Uganda plan and following its rejection, led the Territorialists out of the Zionist organization in 1905. He established the Jewish Territorialists Organization (ITO) whose object was to acquire a Jewish homeland where possible. Following the securing of the Balfour declaration, the ITO fell into decline and by 1925 it was officially dissolved. Zangwill supported Zionist efforts in EretzúIsrael calling for a radical approach both as regards the demand for the early establishment of a Jewish State and the solution of the Arab question. As regards the latter he called for the transfer of Arabs from Eretz Israel to neighboring Arab states. "

Zangwill died in 1926 in Preston, North England. [url=http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/zangwill.html]http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography...y/zangwill.html[/url]

Okiereddust

2003-05-27 16:11 | User Profile

Originally posted by NativeExile@May 27 2003, 00:48 **"The columnist is promoting the traditional American/western ideal, consistent with our western individualism, of assimilation, (i.e. the melting pot) against the multiculturalist ideal (first created by AJC Horace Kallen) of happily coexisting cultures (the salad bowl) as it were."

  Sorry, okiereddust, but there is nothing of "the traditional American/western ideal" about the melting pot concept. It was conceived by a Jew, Israel Zangwill, in his play of the sma name. Here's how amazon.com plugs it:

**

Yes, you are quite rigfht about Zwingli. The whole tale of Jewish involvement in American immigration/cultural policy, advancing the melting pot (at least as a political ploy) for everybody else initially, but then later switching over to multiculturalism and Zionism to protect their own specific group interests, is masterfully told by Kevin MacDonald.

To a certain point I don't mind it when minority groups, like hispanics and of course Jews, espouse assimilation and embracing of western cultural values, even if such espousal has a note of hypocrisy. Hypocrisy after al is the compliment vice pays virtue. However the whole point is that such assimilation is much harder than any mainstreamer acknowledges, for a number of reasons, political, cultural, and possibly (as WN and MacDonald notes) even biological.