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Thread ID: 6744 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2003-05-17
2003-05-17 20:32 | User Profile
The correct definition of the word "Aryan" is synonymous with "Indo-European". As it turns out, Russians (especially Southern Russians) have more Indo-European ancestry than any other ethnic group.
The figure below is taken from page 117 of Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza's Genes, Peoples and Languages. The caption directly below the map states:
Figure 8. The third principal component of 95 genes in Europe reveals an expansion from a region north of the black see (as the archeologist M. Gimbutas claimed) by pastoral nomads who domesticated the horse in the steppe. According to Gimbutas, they were responsible for building churn tombs in the region of origin, and for spreading Indo-European languages.
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The great Russian anthropologist Viktor Valerievich Bunak, in his book Origins and Ethnic History of the Russian People gives this anthropometric data on Southern/Heartland Russians (Illmen Russians in his terminology).
Cephalic Index = 79.5
Facial Index = 91.1
Blonde hairs = 30%
Pure light eyes = 50%.
Thus we see a mesocephalic population that is high-skulled, leptorhine in all respects, brown-haired (with a tendency towards blondism) and exceptionally light-eyed (the Illmen Lake group of Russians are the lightest-eyed people in the world, with less than 0.8% of dark eyes). Basically, we see a Corded Nordic population that has little to do (beyond tenuous linguistic ties) with you and your Mongolo-Dravido-Australo-Negroid ancestors :D.
2003-05-17 20:39 | User Profile
Let's explain to the readers the origin of "churban" :lol:
churban = churka is Russian for "firelog", and may also mean someone very dumb. "Dumb as a churka" is a common saying. The "pinocchio" story, where a dumb kid is made out of a log added to the association. Also, due to its phonetical resemblance to "turk" it came to mean "a dumb minority", usualy darker-skinned. Also "chorny" means "black". So you have it: churka = churban = rban :punk:
2003-05-17 21:25 | User Profile
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2003-05-17 22:04 | User Profile
The Russian part of my family seems to be the lightest, now that I think of it.
There's an old myth that the name "Aryan" came from the early Bronze Age and actually might refer to Russians more or less specifically.
In the ancient Med copper ore was not especially easy to come by and those who went out looking for it were a special breed. Starting about 3000 BC or so they were organized and, as they scattered hither and yon looking for ore, they were called the ore men. In several Bronze Age languages the word "ore" was "ar" or "aer".
They were an elite. The ore-men became Aryan and settled north of the Black Sea, at least some of them. Others made their way to India and became noblemen.
Nobody has ever proved that "Aryan" started as a job description but it fits pretty well. It might even be true. Looking for ore would explain how the proto-Russians came to be where they are.
2003-05-17 22:57 | User Profile
**Originally posted by Ragnar:
The Russian part of my family seems to be the lightest, now that I think of it.**
How much Russian ancestry do you have, Ragnar? And you are correct, Russians are among the blondest people in the world.
****HAIR BLONDISM Fair hairs Fischer scale numbers 9 - 26 (light brown and lighter shades, red hairs are not included)
Vepses - 61% Estonians - 56% Poles - 55% Northern Bielorussians - 53% Finns - 51.5% Latvians - 50% Norwegians - 50% Lithuanians - 47.5% Northern Russians - 47.5% Southern Russians - 30%
Data on Swedes and NW Germans/Frisians is not available for relevant comparison. Swedes must be blonder than Southern Russians and NW Germans/Frisians may be blonder than Southern Russians, but both groups are less blond than Norwegians. EYE BLONDISM Pure light eyes
Sweden:
Light and light mixed eyes - 67% - 87%, thus pure light eyes must be around 38.5%.
Norway:
Light and light mixed eyes - 76%, including 38.5% of pure light eyes.
The blondest Norwegian group - 86.5% of light and light mixed eyes, thus pure light eyes must be about 43.25%.
Ireland:
Light and light mixed eyes - 76%, including 46% of pure light eyes.
Eastern Europe:
Estonians - 64.5% of pure light eyes. Latvians - 62.5% of pure light eyes. Vepses - 62% of pure light eyes.
Northern Bielorussians - 56% of pure light eyes. Eastern Russians - 50%-55% of pure light eyes (regional max. 60%). Western Russians - 45-50% of pure light eyes.
Lithuanians - 47.5% of pure light eyes.
Ukrainians - 38% of pure light eyes.****
Sources:
Coon, Carleton, The Races of Europe, Chapter IX, The North.
Bunak, Viktor Valrievich, Origins and Ethnic History of the Russian People, various charts.
Dyachenko, V. D, Anthropological Composition of the Ukrainian People, various charts.
2003-05-17 23:21 | User Profile
I forgot to add that all other European groups(Belgians, Dutchmen, etc..) are less blonde than Southern Russians.
2003-05-18 08:03 | User Profile
. . . pastoral nomads who domesticated the hore in the steppe
Where did they find these hores to begin with?
And why would they feel it necessary to domesticate them in the first place?
Weren't their wives upset about all these steppe hores?
Walter
2003-05-19 03:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by Prodigal Son@May 17 2003, 22:57 ** How much Russian ancestry do you have, Ragnar? **
At least a quarter. The family in Pennsylvania did not keep records well enough for me to know the Slavs from the Germans, which (alas) is how it was in coal country a century ago.
The inlaws are all blonds. For example my uncle and his seven daughters are the most perfect examples of high Nordics I know.
In my family the Germans are tactiturn and the Russians run for public office. It might be because of the looks. :P
2003-05-19 06:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by Walter Yannis@May 18 2003, 02:03 ** > . . . pastoral nomads who domesticated the hore in the steppe
Where did they find these hores to begin with?
And why would they feel it necessary to domesticate them in the first place?
Weren't their wives upset about all these steppe hores?
Walter **
LOL, you caught me in a bad moment. I meant "horse."
2003-05-19 06:31 | User Profile
Churban, do you get stupider with every post, or does it only seem that wat?
**Originally posted by churban:
Oh, nice try, PS. But I just finished watching a CBS movie, Hitler:Rise of Evil, and it reinforced the fact that :
a. Hitler & the Nazis defined Slavs as subhuman creatures worthy of extermination (I agree with him on that);**
Irrelevant. Hitler was a 1940s demagogue who failed high school Luigi Cavalli-Sforza is the worldââ¬â¢s foremost expert on population genetics.
b. Russians formed a large waste by-product of the gas chambers, which I hear made good fertilizer;
The thousands of ââ¬ÅAryanââ¬Â Hindus who strave every day in their own filth, no doubt make good fertilizer as wellââ¬Â¦ no, I doubt they are good enough for that, even.
c. British & Indian POWs were treated the best by Nazi troops,
Evidence? I am sure they treated the British POWs well, but Indiansââ¬Â¦ In any case, you have no relation to Brits.> ** while Slavs as mentionned were at the bottom of the Nazi hierarchy.**
And this is relevant how?
So, sorry, you can come up with as many bullsh*t studies as you like.
LOL, one of the stupidest statements Iââ¬â¢ve heard from you yet, churban. Luigi Cavalli-Sforzaââ¬â¢s Genes, Peoples and Languages is a ââ¬Åbullshit study? ROFL.
** We are most of us real Aryans here, and we won't buy it. **
You are not Aryan. You are about as Aryan as Mexican mestizoes are Spanish.
**We know who & what you are, and we know that all Indian Hindus are more ARyan than all Slavs anywhere. **
No, youââ¬â¢re delluding your weak mind. Modern genetics disagrees with you.
Hitler knew it also and agreed with us.
One cannot ââ¬Åknowââ¬Â something that is untrue.
Prodigal Son Versus Adolf Hitler ? Madrussian versus Goebbels? Hmmm, I wonder which one I'll believe...?
Two 1940s demagogues and a crazy, rather dull Hindu troll versus Luigi Cavalli-Sforza, the worldââ¬â¢s foremost authority on population genetics? Hmmm.. I wonder whom Iââ¬â¢ll believeââ¬Â¦
**Oh, and BTW this is an English speaking forum. **
So?
Do not speak in monkey languages or barbarian foreign tongues. If you must, let it be SANSKRIT, the original ARYAN language.
Imbecile, the original language of the Aryans was Proto-Indo-European. The modern language that is closest to it is Lithuanian.
Oh, and all Russian women are hores. Check massage parlours everywhere.
I know youââ¬â¢re fond of visitng Jew-run brothels/sex-slave houses to patronize white women, because mongrel Hindu women are just too damn ugly..
2005-04-17 15:27 | User Profile
Hi there! I think everyone should celebrate their own roots with pride, not making it into hostility towards other types of ethnicity. Knowing where you come from is a human right. Tolerating others is a human duty.
I'm blonde and in me there is Sudeten German, Russian blonde breed, and some aristocratic blueblood (that Sudeten). I think the Aryan Garden is a state of mind, a mysterious oasis.
I think it's obvious Hitler wasn't exactly blonde himself.
Racial hierarchies are oftenly political and economical strategies more than biology. I'm sure Hitler disliked the Slavs because they were poor, and just b/c of that. There was no point becoming friends with Eurasian nations for him - no moeny. And yet I'm sure MANY Aryan Russians are more "icy" than Aryan descendants in the Western world. The main reason for discriminating Eurasians has to do with the poverty. Everyone loves rich people.
I can tell an Aryan by their prescence. I can sense the origin of one garden in my whole soul and heart. Ethnicity is something you know when you face it.It's a very personal, private issue at the same time. Because of that primitive awareness of it.
Whores and sluts can be found all over the world, every tribe has it's black sheep. But why think about them. When there are the madonnas
2005-04-17 15:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jewel]Tolerating others is a human duty.[/QUOTE]Defending your own family, community, and nation is a duty.
2005-04-17 16:00 | User Profile
Maybe she meant it's hard duty but someone has to do it. Well, I prefer that someone be someone else tolerating me and my people, rather than the other way around.
In the modern pc world, intolerance (possessed by a white, duskies are encouraged to be intolerant to whitey) has become a radical idea and a virtue.