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2003-05-16 19:17 | User Profile
**Subject:ÃÂ Original Dissent
5/14/2003
Alex,
Just read that 'Original Dissent' conversation that you linked to.
To sum things up briefly, f*ck those anal retentive geeks, those poseurs, those self styled "intellectuals."
Understand that the people who make up that rather meager crew are addicted to chatting -- that's all they do. Whether it's about politics, or media or sports or (I wish) pussy, that is all they're interested in -- chatting. Not ever DOING anything to put their conclusions into practice, that would take all the fun out of it. They're professional chatters -- that's their raison d'être. It's their form of entertainment, endless convolutions and hypotheticals dressed up as "serious intellectual discussion" which are in fact self indulgent, pompous exercises in navel gazing spiced up with the odd geek/dork attempts at humor. Often there's an obscure historical or literary reference thrown in just to emphasise the writer's bona fides, but they still come off sounding like a Sunday afternoon conversation in the dorm after two bottles of chianti. Il Ragno has genuine talent as a writer, as does General Forrest and a couple other ones over there, but for the most part the contributors at 'Original Dissent' strike me as the guys who got their books dumped everyday on the way home from 7th grade. Now that they're grown up, though, they want to appear important.
It's obvious more than a few consider themselves undiscovered mass media commentators, and I think it offends them that the newspaper/TV world isn't clamoring right behind with contracts in hand. Such is the lot of the undiscovered genius.
The OD creed:
"I'm GOOD, dammit! And pretty damn smart too. I've GOT the answers if all you proles would just listen up and follow my instructions."
Ha.
Those are precisely the types of self important motherfuckers we don't want, we don't need, and I urge that we leave all 50 or 100 or however many of them there are alone to their private circle jerk. Their chatting will never end, the "on the other hand..." bullshit is tedious and self-perpetuating, and be aware that what they're mainly interested in doing is having an "interesting" conversation. That's as far as it will ever go. Geeks just wanna blather on endlessly, boys just wanna make something happen, to paraphrase the old Robert Hazard song.
Who f*cking cares what those people think? I'm a g-man, you're a g-man, what else need be said about that lot? Except they're eunuchs, and probably Art Bell fans. The funny part of it is they KNOW they're eunuchs but to compensate they translate that into the oh-so-above-it-all routine. The poor hyper-intelligent (they claim) martyrs. No one would listen to them (Why?) although they had all the answers.
Here's a new word -- FOD -- as in f*ck Original Dissent. I would recommend everyone stay miles away from them at all times. Those middle aged grandmas and grampas will do nothing except suck the life out of anyone who comes near them with their endless "discussions" and self indulgent faux-academic blathering. They're the kind of people who won't DO a damn thing themselves, but they're an endless fount of information and advice for anyone who, unlike them, does get out from behind his computer.
FOD
Mark Konrad
[url=http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/readerMail/default.asp?thisPage=2]VNN Letters[/url]**
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=27&t=7714&st=0]OD[/url]
"Anal retentive geeks" :D Well TD, at least these guys don't think we're a bunch of New Black Panthers. We're a bunch of poor white boy "poseurs", whose testicles are too small. If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was reading someone on a black panthers board itself. Or our old SFF friend Leo, writing to his ADL friends.
I suppose we're just being poseurs again when we point out that old Freudian psychoanalytic term, "anal-retentive" to describe sexually frustrated right wingers whose politics represent psychological projections is a classic Frankfurt School slander.
Well he does have some points. We do need to be more political active and outward looking, as I've noted before.
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=15&t=4948]Recruit, Dammit in Your Spare Time[/url].
I wonder though how much different the VNN people are from us in this regard, in spite of their tough talk.
2003-05-16 20:52 | User Profile
Y'all get all this out of a letter written by Mark Konrad? :(
2003-05-16 20:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by Frederick William I@May 16 2003, 19:17 ** ... at least these guys don't think we're a bunch of New Black Panthers. We're a bunch of poor white boy "poseurs", whose testicles are too small. **
It's just the National Enquirer Syndrome, white nationalist style.
People really are social animals and when they get frustrated they degenerate into gossip.
Until there's a broad-based and above ground WN movement, suspicion is inevitable. Too many ADLs and such not to be. Let the respectable types be suspicious of VNN and let VNN keep trash-talking everybody not kissing Al Linder's butt. At the moment it's what passes for normal.
2003-05-16 21:13 | User Profile
I am very much getting sick of this constant focus on VNN. It frankly is every bit as unproductive as the endless comments on sickness of the feebers found on the old SFOL forum.
My interests in post are to fold: encouraging the accpetance of a viable form of racial nationalism and (2) enciuraging those that have such an ideology to follow a worth while activist method. I will obviously have to do more to divert attention away from redundant threads like this.
Both are almost totally lacking from the states and while I see plenty pathologies, smugness and inaction from all segments of the right I see damn little indication of self criticism and very nearly no long term commitment to real world activism.
I can only spend about an hour a day reading a posting on various forums which is fine but I would feel much better about doing it on American forums if I saw more Americans get serious about at least trying the activism meathods I have spoke of well over a year.
2003-05-16 21:29 | User Profile
**Both are almost totally lacking from the states and while I see plenty pathologies, smugness and inaction from all segments of the right I see damn little indication of self criticism and very nearly no long term commitment to real world activism. I can only spend about an hour a day on various forums which is fine but I would feel much better about doing it on American forums if I saw more Americans get serious about at least trying the activism methods I have spoke of well over a year. **
Yeah, your methods have worked so well in Europe that having unproductively-pathological message boards like this one would result in jail terms for everyone involved.
Trisk, absolutely no one is preventing you from initiating any topics your heart desires. No need to pluck out the orb, here , if thine eye offends thee...simply change the focus by writing on topics that you wish to write about. And avoid reading the threads that you know at the outset are going to bore or annoy you.
If you wish to turn OD into a master-class on European activism and its methodologies, go right ahead. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. But at least you can say you gave your best effort and tried.
2003-05-16 22:04 | User Profile
Originally posted by Frederick William I@May 16 2003, 15:17 > Subject:ÃÂ Original Dissent
5/14/2003
Alex,
Just read that 'Original Dissent' conversation that you linked to.
To sum things up briefly, f*ck those anal retentive geeks, those poseurs, those self styled "intellectuals."
Understand that the people who make up that rather meager crew are addicted to chatting -- that's all they do. Whether it's about politics, or media or sports or (I wish) pussy, that is all they're interested in -- chatting. Not ever DOING anything to put their conclusions into practice, that would take all the fun out of it. They're professional chatters -- that's their raison d'être. It's their form of entertainment, endless convolutions and hypotheticals dressed up as "serious intellectual discussion" which are in fact self indulgent, pompous exercises in navel gazing spiced up with the odd geek/dork attempts at humor. Often there's an obscure historical or literary reference thrown in just to emphasise the writer's bona fides, but they still come off sounding like a Sunday afternoon conversation in the dorm after two bottles of chianti. Il Ragno has genuine talent as a writer, as does General Forrest and a couple other ones over there, but for the most part the contributors at 'Original Dissent' strike me as the guys who got their books dumped everyday on the way home from 7th grade. Now that they're grown up, though, they want to appear important.
It's obvious more than a few consider themselves undiscovered mass media commentators, and I think it offends them that the newspaper/TV world isn't clamoring right behind with contracts in hand. Such is the lot of the undiscovered genius.
The OD creed:
"I'm GOOD, dammit! And pretty damn smart too. I've GOT the answers if all you proles would just listen up and follow my instructions."
Ha.
Those are precisely the types of self important motherfuckers we don't want, we don't need, and I urge that we leave all 50 or 100 or however many of them there are alone to their private circle jerk. Their chatting will never end, the "on the other hand..." bullshit is tedious and self-perpetuating, and be aware that what they're mainly interested in doing is having an "interesting" conversation. That's as far as it will ever go. Geeks just wanna blather on endlessly, boys just wanna make something happen, to paraphrase the old Robert Hazard song.
Who f*cking cares what those people think? I'm a g-man, you're a g-man, what else need be said about that lot? Except they're eunuchs, and probably Art Bell fans. The funny part of it is they KNOW they're eunuchs but to compensate they translate that into the oh-so-above-it-all routine. The poor hyper-intelligent (they claim) martyrs. No one would listen to them (Why?) although they had all the answers.
Here's a new word -- FOD -- as in f*ck Original Dissent. I would recommend everyone stay miles away from them at all times. Those middle aged grandmas and grampas will do nothing except suck the life out of anyone who comes near them with their endless "discussions" and self indulgent faux-academic blathering. They're the kind of people who won't DO a damn thing themselves, but they're an endless fount of information and advice for anyone who, unlike them, does get out from behind his computer.
FOD
Mark Konrad
[url=http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/readerMail/default.asp?thisPage=2]VNN Letters[/url]**
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=27&t=7714&st=0]OD[/url]
"Anal retentive geeks" :D Well TD, at least these guys don't think we're a bunch of New Black Panthers. We're a bunch of poor white boy "poseurs", whose testicles are too small. If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was reading someone on a black panthers board itself. Or our old SFF friend Leo, writing to his ADL friends.
I suppose we're just being poseurs again when we point out that old Freudian psychoanalytic term, "anal-retentive" to describe sexually frustrated right wingers whose politics represent psychological projections is a classic Frankfurt School slander.
Well he does have some points. We do need to be more political active and outward looking, as I've noted before.
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=15&t=4948]Recruit, Dammit in Your Spare Time[/url].
I wonder though how much different the VNN people are from us in this regard, in spite of their tough talk.**
I noticed this letter and laughed at it. Konrad's given OD some free advertising--we should thank him! :lol: The last time this happened, some good posters joined up with us because they came over here out of curiosity, read our threads and decided we weren't so bad after all.
I especially like this quote:
It's obvious more than a few consider themselves undiscovered mass media commentators, and I think it offends them that the newspaper/TV world isn't clamoring right behind with contracts in hand. Such is the lot of the undiscovered genius.
Perhaps Mr. Konrad has noticed that no "mainstream" outlets permit the airing of Authentic Right material, and it is therefore unlikely that any contracts will be offered to us or VNN.
Mr. Konrad might want to look at the [url=http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/vnn/showEssay.asp?essayID=834]Who We Are[/url] section of VNN a little more closely and see the following:
**What We Are
We are a group of disgusted and disaffected writers driven out of academia and journalism by the Semitical Correctness that has denatured our culture. We have come together on the Internet to reclaim the American mind from the Jews. In short, we are the Antibodies, and our advent heralds the day a White political force rises and reasserts civilization.
What It Means To You, the Reader
It means that for probably the first time in your life, you get news spun accurately. For once you are getting news from people who look and act like you, and who share your beliefs.
Writers Sought
If you are an able writer -- regardless of your field -- and you have a story to tell, a book to review, a movie to complain about, let us know. We are always looking for new talent and for regional or foreign stringers to report the real facts the Jewish wire services cover up.
VNN was founded on 9 August 2000 by A. Linder and R. Belser.**
Sounds to me that VNN won't be getting any contracts, either. Yet VNN is looking for writers who are willing to help create an oasis of free speech on the Internet, providing points of view that are unavailable from mainstream outlets. Does Konrad similarly criticize VNN for generating more "words?" Konrad's only real complaint seems to be that we at OD use language that's too sophisticated.
Both OD and VNN have a positive role to play in awakening and inspiring the men of the West by creating a space for the production and exchange of thought and information, something that our people need and are sorely denied in this country by the likes of The New York Times, MSNBC, and Free Republic. There's no reason for this bickering between the two. Both VNN and OD serve different, albeit sometimes overlapping, constituencies. Let them both do their work in their own way and wish them well.
2003-05-16 22:11 | User Profile
**What We Are
We are a group of disgusted and disaffected writers driven out of academia and journalism by the Semitical Correctness that has denatured our culture. We have come together on the Internet to reclaim the American mind from the Jews. In short, we are the Antibodies, and our advent heralds the day a White political force rises and reasserts civilization. **
Translation: We can't get those newspaper & tv jobs, either.
But I'm glad Konrad wrote this letter. Now some of us get to see what it's like to be bashed in no uncertain terms.
(Legal) inhibitions on free speech have nothing to do with the effectiveness of nationalist activism in Europe. In fact, they have served as a tremendous advantage for that activism
Funniest quote of the day. Ask Faurisson or Zundel about those rhetoric-honing 'advantages' they're fortunate enough to be laboring under. Maybe that's why Zundel's so damned eager to return home to Germany....
2003-05-17 05:21 | User Profile
Frederick William I, I wish people would not use Freudian and Frankfurt slander. No Rightist should ever do this!
**I suppose we're just being poseurs again when we point out that old Freudian psychoanalytic term, "anal-retentive" to describe sexually frustrated right wingers whose politics represent psychological projections is a classic Frankfurt School slander. **
2003-05-17 23:45 | User Profile
Linder actually logged onto the forum around 11 am today (if my memory serves me right). He spent a coumple of minutes here and then logged out. I wonder if he read this thread.
2003-05-18 00:07 | User Profile
Il Ragno, I was not claiming that I was censored here. I was saying that posting in American forums is often rather frustrating. I stand by my observations that the American scene (paleos and WN) is characterized by an adamant refusal to recognize the fact that they have gone no where for over two generations and reject out of hand any suggestion that something is drastically wrong with the things have been done by "the movement". The situation over there is defined in large measure by a lack of activism and a total unwillingness to look abroad for influences of a an ideological, strategic or tactical nature.
While you may not be aware of them, plenty of forums such as this one exist in most European nations. For the reason you mentioned they are obviously not open to the public but they do help a great deal in planning and carrying out activist programs so they are generally, with plenty of contrary examples, very productive in terms of action on the ground.
In point of fact, most countries in Europa have far more successful nationalist and populist organizations then can be found in the states. As an example, in terms of French nationalist groups Action Française is rather small yet the fact remains it is far larger then all American WN groups combined and much more active in every sense. I will of course be willing to revise my view of American nationalists when I see a populist party to the right of Buchanan win 12% of the national vote to win seats in Congress and drastically reduce third world immigration as was done by Pia Kjærsgaard's Dansk Folkeparti which was founded less then 10 years ago. Until then, I feel justified in offering constructive criticisms and tending possible avenues for building coalitions and engaging in real world activism providing that it seems to bear some fruit.
2003-05-18 01:43 | User Profile
Originally posted by triskelion@May 18 2003, 00:07 ** I will of course be willing to revise my view of American nationalists when I see a populist party to the right of Buchanan win 12% of the national vote to win seats in Congress and drastically reduce third world immigration as was done by Pia Kjærsgaard's Dansk Folkeparti which was founded less then 10 years ago. **
SLAP! :naughty:
2003-05-18 02:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by triskelion@May 17 2003, 18:07 I will of course be willing to revise my view of American nationalists when I see a populist party to the right of Buchanan win 12% of the national vote to win seats in Congress and drastically reduce third world immigration as was done by Pia Kjærsgaard's Dansk Folkeparti which was founded less then 10 years ago.
Trisk,
As I see it, Greater Judean subjects are way behind the Europeans in large part for lack of education in fundamentals.
That's why, as you see for yourself, class has to be conducted and simplicities endlessly bickered over amongst the colonial goyim.
Neo
2003-05-18 06:53 | User Profile
Trisk:
**In point of fact, most countries in Europa have far more successful nationalist and populist organizations then can be found in the states. As an example, in terms of French nationalist groups Action Française is rather small yet the fact remains it is far larger then all American WN groups combined and much more active in every sense. **
I understand you are yorself Icelandic and - while I'm sure it's a beautiful country populated by fine people - I must admit I simply don't know enough about Iceland to offer any sort of intelligent comment, let alone an opinion.
But I have a feeling you're not strictly speaking of Iceland when you speak of Europe, and I maintain that the capitulation of Europe is far worse than our own because of the homogeneity of their cultures as 'multiculturalism' was being imposed.
What made the US easy pickings for the multicult to make inroads into is what prevents them, as of yet, from total victory: the squabbling ethnicities White America is made up of. It's easy to sneak Somalis and mestizos and Yemenites in here because White America never really identified as one explicitly-white people. White America was orderly and civilized but we've never exactly trusted each other, let alone felt any real solidarity. It's been Germans vs Polish vs Slavics vs Irish vs Italians vs whoever else was around with the English against all...since no single ethnic group has received the contemptuous dismissal that "WASPs" have. And still - under assault as we are - we refuse to identify as One People Under The Gun! Yet this subdivision of White America into enclaves has also made sweeping, culture-changing legislation difficult.
Look at how loudly we argue over gun control measures...seeing every partial restriction as the first step towards Apocalypse. You would think there was no priovate gun ownership in the US. But that sort of full-throated shouting over every step taken over the line is what keeps us from being England or Australia. And that cantankerousness, born out of centuries of blood-feud-level intramural squabbling, is what keeps our First Amendment, hobbled and bleeding, still standing nonetheless. Unlike France and Germany.
What is beyond my ability to comprehend , 'nationalist movements' be damned, is how a France, a Germany, an England, an Australia, etc....it's not them alone, of course...where rich and poor, young and old, are one people, with one anccestry, with soul-deep roots in the soil beneath their feet...one history, one language, one future....how could they could possibly have allowed the multicultists and the gun grabbers and the book banners to walk in and take over their homelands. How a Frenchman, surrounded by his fellows and in his own homeland that his forebears lived and died for, could ever allow his nation to be taken hostage by Jews and Arabs without a shot being fired is ....unimaginable.
You may call them "far more successful nationalist and populist organizations then can be found in the states". I call them bandaids on cancer. Why in the world should Americans look to white nations even more compromised and fallen than ours for lessons in restoring patria? I can assure you....when and if we adopt Germany's speech laws and England's gun laws and Italy's demographic profile - yeah, we're close but we're not there yet - we will have 'activist underground nationalist organizations' every bit as effective as Europe's. Better bandaids on bigger cancer.
Given my druthers, I'd much rather we had "pathologies, smugness and inaction from all segments of the right" - and a First and Second Amendment - than lively cell meetings in the backs of taverns with a sentry posted out front to watch for a raid.
Those of us who laugh at our Constitution as a hopelessly denatured document not worth the paper it's printed on need to wake up and smell the coffee. Every battle we wage and every victory, however small, we claim is sanctioned, mandated and protected by it. We joke darkly about the Bush goons locking us up one day for bookmarking VNN but it's no joke in Europe today.
2003-05-18 07:34 | User Profile
Hello IR,
In point of fact I am Faroese not Icelandic although I have relatives and two very small enterprises in Iceland and speak the language. My motherland is 100% Nordic with zero jews or non whites save tourists (we don't get that many other then from Northern Europa), people on layovers heading to the mainland or shipping crews on short term stays. I do maintain a home in Danmark which is where a lot my activity takes place and I travel alot on business all over.
I will of course state the obvious that things in much of Europa is worse in racial terms then is Danmark ( which I mentioned above) although having lived in the states for several years I know for a fact that in all societal terms things are quite a bit worse in the U.S.
The problems we have are almost entirely a fault of social democracy which is/was a jewish movement of destruction which took over our institutions via "the long march" much more completely then in the states.
In terms of repression it is something that one deals with. In pracitical terms Americans are only marginally more free then we are and it looks like that slim advantage will be gone during Dubya's second term.
In anycase, the fact is that populist parties are doing very well almost everywhere in Europa and things are going quite well for nationalist groups as a whole as well. Personally, I think that the first genuine nationalist revolution will happen in the East but it is amazing to see the drastic increase in racialism (still vague and unfocused yet but certainly on the moeve) over the last 4 or 5 years in the West.
In the end, the truth is that the American right is very much a non entity and has been for the last 80 years or so save the Thurman campaign in '48 and Wallace's effort in '68. Worse is that they are perfectly happy with that situation. Given the level of violence, the horrid and rapidly sinking racial situation and economic decline in the states it floors me that the largest group has only about 1500 members, zero influence and very little public action of any kind. Of course the paleos are pretty much in the same boat but they have tricked themselves into thinking that they are viable.
I mention this very unpleasent reality because I have comrades and relatives in the states and I don't want to see them suffer in a third world dung heap which is what you'll have in 20 years if something drastic doesn't happen. Having sites like VNN is no substitute, and in a way a big inhibitor, to effective political action. Frankly, the idea that paleos and WNs in the states can afford to ignore (which is exactly what the situation is) all aspects of our struggle and the reality that real headway is being here is damn depressing. Your post implies as much and I am far to grounded in reality to think that the paleos and the WNs in the states will ever consider doing things differantly. But at some level, I still hold out hope that rallies of never more then a few hundred (and often only a couple of dozen) or pushing faux con presidential bids will lose it's appeal and something productive will happen but I can't say why I do.
2003-05-18 07:53 | User Profile
il Rango,l
You points have validity, but why is it that America is a colonly of Israel and the European nations, with the exception of Britain, are not? There are more Jews in America, 5.8 million, than there are in Israel, 4.8 million. France is the next largest host nation with 600,000 Jews, followed by Russia 550,00 and Ukrainia 400,000. I suspect Jewish/Zionist control of host nations have something to do with numbers and networking.
Trisk has excellent points also. The impact of Jew numbers and networking in host nations may bring your positions to some kind of accord.
I'm still mulling this question over. At some point I may write an article on it.
2003-05-18 08:27 | User Profile
triskelion,
I have been saying for some time now the America Right needs to become more like the Right in Europe. Even with the anti-"Racism" laws; the Right in Europe is larger and more powerful than the American one.
The only good thing, one say about America is at this there is the free ownership of firearms. But I might add Europeans own more firearms than many Americans know about. In Russian it legal own guns and use them to defend one's house. Even in UK there are 1,000,000 shotguns owned by the public and it has some of the worst laws.
2003-05-18 08:28 | User Profile
Octopod,
Why pick a fight with me? I merely stated what's obvious. The problem is not il Rango, trisk, or me; it's Jews. Expulsion appears to be the only solution, and before that happens there is going to be plently of misery in the U.S., more so than in Europe because most of its Jews have come here.
-Z-
2003-05-18 08:44 | User Profile
You points have validity, but why is it that America is a colonly of Israel and the European nations, with the exception of Britain, are not? There are more Jews in America, 5.8 million, than there are in Israel, 4.8 million.
And yet Britain has among the fewest. Puzzling, is it not?
As soon as any serious nationalist party exists in the USA, and its members make effective use of the First Amendment, that very amendment will be buried faster than you can say "Uncle Shmuel."
You cannot win an argument by citing "events" that have yet to take place.
**In pracitical terms Americans are only marginally more free then we are and it looks like that slim advantage will be gone during Dubya's second term. **
Well, when the subject is personal liberty I would say that even marginal amounts count for a lot. But I will grant you that Americans self-censor themselves to an alarming degree, to the point that self-censorship is almost a ritualized social custom.
**In the end, the truth is that the American right is very much a non entity **
You're half right, but you're holding on to the wrong end. Europeans have always, always been more politically aware and active than Americans. There are times I think it's our saving grace, and times I think it's our Damocles sword. I have no doubt the Euro Right is more serious and active and committed than the American Right because I know that the Euro Left is equally more serious and active and committed than our own dilettante MTV Left. Again, I'm not entirely sure this has been a bad thing. These terrible things that are going to happen to us, any day now, have already happened in countries full of active, serious, politically committed people.
And you still haven't addressed my more troubling question: how does a nation of a single people allow multiculturalism and the Jew-leftist state to happen? How does a nation of 20 or 30 different white 'groups' - ethnic, regional, class groups - act as one force when homogenous white cultures have fallen further, sooner?
**Those "European" speech crime codes were put into place by the Americans following Allied victory in WWII. **
Really? And here I thought France had won the war. And of course, DeGaulle would've gone along with any restrictions on French speech and thought that Eisenhower would order him to. Everybody knows that!
He naively suggested that American freedom of speech is "all that" -- but in fact, what "free speech" we have only exists because, in general, Boobus Americanus uses it for nothing but MTV, porn, trashy entertainment, and other utterly harmless ventures.
Like this post.
2003-05-18 09:05 | User Profile
You're a fool if you believe leftist/social-Democratic European governments enact hate speech laws or confiscate legally-purchased firearms or flood the joint with bedouins because George Marshall told them to in 1947.
America is guilty of many, many things - and is very sick - but you're sitting at home bashing Jews & blacks on the net and not in a holding cell courtesy of the Diversity Directorate because of that tattered document you choose to wipe your ass with. Of course, your answer will probably be, "yeah but we'll all be in death camps in 2 years when Bush gets his second term." Then you'll wonder out loud why Americans aren't more politically active.
2003-05-18 09:05 | User Profile
Octopod,
I lived 12 years in Europe, so I probably know more about life there than you do. Outside of pimps and pornographers, I didn't see many Jews there. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess; Jews just weren't a big topic in Europe.
-Z-
2003-05-18 09:27 | User Profile
il Rango,
Today there are 300,000 Jews in the UK. Beginning with Cromwell, Jews financed the British Empire and embeded themselves within the aristocracy. Lord Rothschild, for example, engineered the Balfour Declaration which led to modren-day Israel.
From what I read in the English on-line newspaers, it appears that Jewish control of the media there is not as blatant and pronouced as it is here.
At any rate, The Anglo/American/Zionist Alliance has dominated Western Civilization since World War One, and it doesn't appear that Britain is about to abandon it allies.
-Z-
2003-05-18 09:48 | User Profile
Cite the historical evidence for France's speech laws, all enacted within the last generation, being imposed by Eisenhower after WW2. You keep making the same point; I guess your pounding the table with your fist is supposed to provide all the proof required.
I've already noticed your response to most arguments is to repeat what you already said in a progresively louder voice so I'm not really expecting this exchange to actually go anywhere.
2003-05-18 10:50 | User Profile
First you say they "forced them to at gunpoint", but now they're "outgrowths of legislation imposed by the Americans" in another country entirely - one they'd just defeated in war.
I asked for substantive proof and you fire back with, "Well, they just did, okay?"
**Hey, your hero Hitler had the same habit -- well, of pounding on podiums at the very least. **
**I haven't seen any arguments from you here, just continual insistence that America is better and more free than those Germans and other Europeans whose people "we" massacred, raped and humiliated during and after WWII. **
Hmm. You despise Hitler's Germany, yet you equally despise the Allies. What are you - Swiss?
2003-05-18 16:32 | User Profile
I will say little as it seems that the points I have mentioned are being accepted well although I had wished that some attention was given to the coalition matter I mentioned.
As to "anti racist laws" they were very much put in place by the Americans after the war in my (but not all cases) as were the "de-natified" judges that approved them providing a legal basis for further outrages. In a way I have a personal stake in such matters as I have spent 18 months in prision for involvment with publishing, speaking, possesion charges and rallies involving those exact laws. I have also stood trial more times then I wish to recall so I have had more then a little time to investigate those matters as have my legal advisors.
Of course, why jews are far less numerous in most European countries they very much have massive influence in politics mainly as a result of the grip they have on media outlets and political clout which stemmed in part from American "reconstruction" which placed jews and cultural communists in positions of power which they have never left. Again, social democracy is jewish and massive American interferance was major (although far from the only signifcant) cause for the current predicament which as I have pointed out often has not stopped populism and nationalism from doing quite well here.