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Thread ID: 6692 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2003-05-15
2003-05-15 22:12 | User Profile
Problems with Arthur Kemp's "MARCH OF THE TITANS A HISTORY OF THE WHITE RACE"
I hate to attack this book, most of it is great. But a good number of mistake are made that I find hard to overlook. I love most of this book and it does have great pictures.
An example of a mistake in "MARCH OF THE TITANS A HISTORY OF THE WHITE RACE" The Somalis and Ethiopians are not Blacks who "took on parts of the White Egyptian language" as he states. Somalis and Ethiopians were Originally an Ancient White Ethnic groups related to Egyptian, who were destoyed by miscegenation. There are other silly things are in the book like his silly and untrue attack on the Portuguese.
He loses a great chance to attack miscegenation and show us how it destoyed the Ancient Nubian Civilization.
The Ancient Nubians and Ethiopians were Caucasoid [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=5337&hl=egypt]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=5337&hl=egypt[/url]
NORTH AFRICANS ARE NOT BLACK [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=6792&hl=egypt]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=6792&hl=egypt[/url]
**As to being related to "Somali" - of course what happened is that the Blacks in Nubia who were conquered by the White Egyptians, took on parts of the White Egyptian language, and this is why small parts of the languages spoken in Somalia, Sudan and Ethiopia may today resemble Ancient Egyptian. But the Arabic influence has been far too widespread across the entire region to make any definite claims about this.
from WHITE EGYPT [url=http://www.white-history.com/egypt.htm]http://www.white-history.com/egypt.htm[/url] **
Most of it great and it is worth reading.
MARCH OF THE TITANS A HISTORY OF THE WHITE RACE [url=http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/]http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/[/url]
related thread:
Were the Pharaohs Blond? [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=7843]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...=ST&f=11&t=7843[/url]
2003-05-15 22:28 | User Profile
Sorry, Faust, but I can't even give it that much. Any 'history book' with so many eggegious factual errors deserves to go directly to the scrap heap. The slander about the Portuguese is merely the tip of the iceberg; the problem with this book is simply that it is sloppily researched and that is not acceptable.
2003-05-15 22:43 | User Profile
Phillip Augustus,
I fear you are right, but it hard to find a better book on the subject with most main strean books being written by marxist. I can say it has a lot of great pictures and a lot of useful information it. I still do not understand why he got things so far off a good part of the time. The history of the Ancient Nubians and Ethiopians would have helped the case he was trying to make.
** Sorry, Faust, but I can't even give it that much. Any 'history book' with so many eggegious factual errors deserves to go directly to the scrap heap. The slander about the Portuguese is merely the tip of the iceberg; the problem with this book is simply that it is sloppily researched and that is not acceptable.**
The best thing one can get are pre-WWII books on the suject, but leave out every found in the last 60 years such as the Tocharians.
Decoration found on a clay bowl recovered from the Tocharian grave sites. [url=http://www.white-history.com/hwr6a_files/tochswas.jpg]http://www.white-history.com/hwr6a_files/tochswas.jpg[/url]
2003-05-15 23:14 | User Profile
Originally posted by Faust@May 15 2003, 18:43 ** Phillip Augustus,
I fear you are right, but it hard to find a better book on the subject with most main strean books being written by marxist. I can say it has a lot of great pictures and a lot of useful information it. I still do not understand why he got things so far off a good part of the time. The history of the Ancient Nubians and Ethiopians would have helped the case he was trying to make.
** Sorry, Faust, but I can't even give it that much. Any 'history book' with so many eggegious factual errors deserves to go directly to the scrap heap. The slander about the Portuguese is merely the tip of the iceberg; the problem with this book is simply that it is sloppily researched and that is not acceptable.**
The best thing one can get are pre-WWII books on the suject, but leave out every found in the last 60 years such as the Tocharians.
Decoration found on a clay bowl recovered from the Tocharian grave sites. [url=http://www.white-history.com/hwr6a_files/tochswas.jpg]http://www.white-history.com/hwr6a_files/tochswas.jpg[/url] **
I lean more toward Faust's position--there are probably errors in the text, as they tend to creep into all historical texts, but it's hard to believe that Kemp's text could be any worse than the multiracial, politically correct texts now in service. I'll take Kemp over the status quo any day.
2003-05-15 23:27 | User Profile
PaleoconAvatar,
I could wish Arthur Kemp had done better job, the errors in text are more that what I find acceptable. It does upset, because some parts of "MARCH OF THE TITANS" are great. I can say it has fewer "errors" than most mainstream politically correct texts.
** I lean more toward Faust's position--there are probably errors in the text, as they tend to creep into all historical texts, but it's hard to believe that Kemp's text could be any worse than the multiracial, politically correct texts now in service. I'll take Kemp over the status quo any day.**
A pre WWII un-PC book I found! :lol:
** FUNK & WAGNALLS RACE LIFE OF THE ARYAN PEOPLES
BY JOSEPH P. WIDNEY
FUNK & WAGNALLS COMPANY
NEW YORK AND LONDON
MDCCCCVII
EPOS
EVERY masterful race of the world's history has its epic. It is the tale of the fathers told to the sons. But side by side with the spoken epic is another, unspoken, yet truer and deeper. It is the tale of the race life, not told in words, but lived in deeds done. And the epic lived is always more xvonderful than the epic told. The true epic is found, not in the story of the battles or of the deeds of the rulers, but in the race life. In the perspective of time men become less, man grows greater. Race life is broader, deeper, richer than the life of any man, or of any men. The great men of a race are only an evolution of its race force; and the reserve force is greater than its. product. They are indices, race marks. The great man is as the mountain peak; for the mountains that loom up above the wide-spread plain are not the land; they are only the land-marks, marks of the land. Kings are the accident; the people, the law. The Greek colonies, not Ilium and Atreides Agamernnon, are the true epic of Hellas, vastly more marvelous. So of the Aryan folk; not the Vedas, not the Avestas, not the Iliad, or the Nibelungen, or Beowulf, but the marvelous tale of what the Aryan man has lived how he has subdued the wild and waste lands how he has made the desert to blossom as the rose how he has built up empire with ax and plow, and has sailed the unknown paths of the seas; these are his true race epic. The others are only as the fairy tales which old wives tell to their children. Vie read between the lines of the written epic to find the truer and greater epic which lies beyond.
This book is an attempt to unfold somewhat of the race epic which the Aryan peoples have lived Los Angeles, January 1907. **
2003-05-16 00:07 | User Profile
I concur that Kemp's book is so full of errors and very sloppily researched. Other ridiculous claims he makes is that Napoleon had blond hair and that the Greeks were Nordic. Some good points in the book that I appreciated were the finds of the Celtic mummies in China and the evidences of White settlements in the Americas before Columbus. As for the Greeks and their supposed Nordic ancestry, Kemp got trounced by a Greek scholar, Dienekes Pontikos, on an interesting thread on Stormfront. Kemp clearly did not prove his case and instead started personally attacking Mr. Pontikos and demanded that the thread be stopped. This thread shows that Kemp has more ego than brains.
[url=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42006]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread...&threadid=42006[/url]
2003-05-16 00:41 | User Profile
I do agree in good part: "Kemp's book is so full of errors and very sloppily researched."
But as for "Other ridiculous claims he makes is that Napoleon had blond hair and that the Greeks were Nordic." Is bit off base.
I don't know what color Napoleon's Hair was but some pricture show it as light brown. His son was very blond. Napoleon Picture: [url=http://faculty.juniata.edu/tuten/ntom/napoleon.jpg]http://faculty.juniata.edu/tuten/ntom/napoleon.jpg[/url]
Many of the Greeks were Nordic Just read some Pindar. He goes on about pretty blued eyed golden haired girls. What about Helen of Troy? Blued-eyed Blond.
Kemp was wrong about the Mexican War
Now something Kemp gone very wrong was his History of the Mexican War, which tried to spin as Race War. Santa Anna and ruling class of Mexico were White. The reason why let Americans into Texas was they wanted them to wipe out the indians and increas Mexico's White population. The Mexican government was always looking for White to come in and live Mexico up until the fall of the government Diaz.
2003-05-16 01:50 | User Profile
*I concur that Kemp's book is so full of errors and very sloppily researched. Other ridiculous claims he makes is that Napoleon had blond hair and that the Greeks were Nordic. *
The ancient Greek aristocracy was Danubian/Corded Nordic.
Kemp got trounced by a Greek scholar, Dienekes Pontikos, on an interesting thread on Stormfront.
Dienkes Pontikos is hardly a "scholar". He is a Pontik "Greek" (a Turkish national who simply happens to speak demotikos) computer science student (of course at a US university) with a major inferiority complex, bent on proving that modern-day "Greeks" are idenitcal in all respects to the ancient Hellenes (a notion that all evidence refutes conclusively.)
[url=http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/7.html]The Greeks have changed very much since antiquity.[/url]
Edit: fixed link.
2003-05-16 02:48 | User Profile
I loved reading March of the Titans, errors or no errors. Who among you could put together such a book without making mistakes, and without spending your life doing it? It is one of a kind. If there is another history of the white race please advise because I want to read it.
2003-05-16 03:22 | User Profile
There are other silly things are in the book like his silly and untrue attack on the Portuguese.
The Portuguese have considerable Negroid ancestry, ranging from ~5% in the Northernmost parts of Portugal to ~10% in Southern Portugal. They are also [u]extremely[/u] liberal on the subject of miscegenation (something that I cannot over exaggerate). Every single Portuguese person I have met thus far has no qualms or inhibitions against coopulating or miscegenating with a Negro or mullatto. The cultural and racial degeneracy of Portugal may help explain why its one of the poorest EU members. Of course not all Portuguese are liberal race-mixers, and most people Portuguese ancestry in the US are pure white.
2003-05-16 03:29 | User Profile
[url=http://jeffsarchive.com/race/The%20Black%20Man's%20Gift%20to%20Portugal.htm]Link: The Black Man's Gift to Portugal[/url]
2003-05-16 03:55 | User Profile
The idea that the Portuguese are up to 10% Negro is flat-out preposterous- genetically, they are closer to the East Anglicans than are the Austrians! I have a fair amount of knowledge of Portuguese history, and to rely on the likes of Kemp is ludicrous, as Kemp completely butchers Portuguese history in his book, even regarding non-racial historical matters.
2003-05-16 04:02 | User Profile
www.geocities.com/refuting_kemp
As one who has conducted independent study of Portugal's history, I can attest to the fact that the refutation of Kemp's history is far more accurate than is Kemp's 'history'. Pay particular attention to the genetic citations among these articles as well. The Negroid myth is completely and irrefutably debunked here.
By the way, the idea that there is 'cultural degeneracy' in Portugal is a bit odd, given that Portugal is one of the few nations in Western Europe where degeneracy and drag queens et al is hardly an everyday sight. And if you have ever seen the Pont de 25 April Bridge, the Tower of Belem, or Sintra, cultural degeneracy in Portugal becomes almost laughable.
2003-05-16 04:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by Bardamu@May 15 2003, 20:48 ** I loved reading March of the Titans, errors or no errors. Who among you could put together such a book without making mistakes, and without spending your life doing it? It is one of a kind. If there is another history of the white race please advise because I want to read it. **
There are literally thousands, though they're typically classified as books on "European history" rather than books on the "White Race".
2003-05-16 05:10 | User Profile
Prodigal Son and Phillip Augustus,
As I said before on the Greeks: Many of the Greeks were Nordic Just read some Pindar. He goes on about pretty blued eyed golden haired girls. What about Helen of Troy? Blued-eyed Blond.
The case of Sparta
The citizen of the state were Greeks some have said the Helots, the conquered subjects used as serfs, were not greeks, but may well have been Mediterranean Minoans.
I fail to see any reason to insult the Modern Greeks.
I will also say many Modern Greeks do not look Ugly Africans Arabs. Most of them don't look like the ugly picture "Dienekes Pontikos" used.
[url=http://amconmag.com/images/taki.gif]Taki Theodoracopulos[/url] [url=http://www.geocities.com/racial_myths/greeks/aniston_th.jpg]Jennifer Aniston(Anistonopoulos)[/url] [url=http://www.geocities.com/racial_myths/greeks/kanakaredes_th.jpg]Melina Kanakaredes[/url] [url=http://www.geocities.com/racial_myths/greeks/tsongas_th.jpg]Paul Tsongas[/url] [url=http://www.nicholaskralev.com/arianna.jpg]Arianna Huffington[/url] [url=http://www.geocities.com/greek_race/greekpeople.htm]GREEK PEOPLE GALLERY[/url]
I do see a misake in the "Refuting Arthur Kemp's Lies about Portugal" website; Queen Isabella had red hair and blue eyes, not brown hair and eyes. I am not sue what sort of people made this site.
I think this site;"RACIAL MYTHS" Page did a better job. I do not agree with everything on "RACIAL MYTHS" Page, but the article on the Portuguese is pretty good.
As for the rest of it, "Myths" 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8 are the rest are not so good or built on a bad foundation.
MYTH # 3:The Portuguese Are Mulattos [url=http://www.geocities.com/racial_myths/portuguese.html]http://www.geocities.com/racial_myths/portuguese.html[/url]
2003-05-16 05:17 | User Profile
Phillip Augustus,
** There are literally thousands, though they're typically classified as books on "European history" rather than books on the "White Race".**
Yes but most the books written after WWII PC and marxist in outlook, that's why people like Kemp's work, And I could wish he had done a better job of.
He should have told how miscegenating with Negros destoyed the Civilization of the Ancient Nubians and Ethiopians, rather than Portuguese thing.
2003-05-16 05:17 | User Profile
Faust wrote:
*Prodigal Son and Phillip Augustus,
As I said before on the Greeks: Many of the Greeks were Nordic Just read some Pindar. He goes on about pretty blued eyed golden haired girls. What about Helen of Troy? Blued-eyed Blond. *
I am well aware of this. The ancient aristocratic class of Hellas was almost exclusively Nordic. Turkish "Greeks" like Dienekes Pontikos want to "prove" that modern-day "Greeks" are identically physically and intellectually to the ancient Hellenes, but they clearly are not, as this page shows:
[url=http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/7.html]http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/7.html[/url]
2003-05-16 05:28 | User Profile
One of the great Chapters
I could wish he done this well all the time, but no one is perfect.
**CHAPTER 6 : TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH - LOST WHITE MIGRATIONS
China, Japan, Canary Islands
In addition to the great White Indo-European migrations, several other waves of White migration occurred, varying in number, influence and spread - the most spectacular being a White settlement in North America dating from approximately 7000 BC.
Knowledge of these migrations has been lost for centuries - in some cases thousands of years - but due to relatively recent archeological finds, have now been rediscovered. In this way Nordic and White Mediterranean remains - sometimes preserved naturally, sometimes preserved through artificial means - have been discovered in China, the Canary Islands and in North America - most of them many thousands of years old.
The discovery of these mummies shows without question that early White migrations across seas and continents took place - it is just the exact numbers of individuals who undertook these migrations which is still a matter of debate.
...
[url=http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr6a.htm]http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr6a.htm[/url]**
2003-05-16 18:28 | User Profile
I fail to see any reason to insult the Modern Greeks.
I am not insulting modern Greeks. I am simply pointing out that considering modern Greeks to be equivalent to the ancient Greeks is rather ridiculous.Dienekes says that that man is a "very typical Greek."
I will also say many Modern Greeks do not look Ugly Africans Arabs. Most of them don't look like the ugly picture "Dienekes Pontikos" used.
Aniston has bleached hair, and naturally brown hair. Blondism is rare in modern-day Greece, and some studies estimate the Near Eastern contribution to that country's genepool to be as high as 85%.
I do see a misake in the "Refuting Arthur Kemp's Lies about Portugal" website; Queen Isabella had red hair and blue eyes, not brown hair and eyes. I am not sue what sort of people made this site.
Ironically, the man who made that site is himself 1/8th Mozambiquan. He is also a fervent anti-racist and considers mullattas to be the most attarctive women in the world. In his own words, he has nothing against race-mixing.
2003-05-16 19:51 | User Profile
Prodigal Son,
Thanks for your reply. Many of the Byzantine Emperors of Constantinople were Blond and Red-haired Greeks. The old Greek aristocracy was likely wiped in the 800 year of war and finnal defeat in 1453 at the hands of the Turks. I am sue this wiped out a good part of the Greek population. The Ottoman Turksish Sultan who took Constantinople had Blond hair and blue-eyes, due to the Turk's habit of taking blond Greek Women. The Greek aristocracy fought the Turks to the better end and were killed in large numbers, this may have left the people of Mediterranean Minoan stock to survive in larger numbers.
Yes I do know Jennifer Aniston(Anistonopoulos) hair is not it's natural color, but she has fair skin and blue eyes and is not of the Mediterranean type. The Greeks I have known or seen picture have all been better looking than what "Dienekes" calls a "very typical Greek." Most them look more like Taki Theodoracopulos, some are fair and have blue eyes and brown hair. I have a German Travel Book from the 1930's with lots of Picture taken by two German driving across Greece. Most of the people they photographed looked more like Taki and Aniston than the picture "Dienekes" used.
So that site is run by part Mozambiquan pro-miscegenation marxist, then why is he upset by what Kemp said. There are anti-African pro-White Nationalist Portugal. And I do still diagree with what Kemp said about Portugal.
Pro-White Nationalist Portugal links [url=http://www.libreopinion.com/members/nswelt/links.htm#pagsport]http://www.libreopinion.com/members/nswelt...ks.htm#pagsport[/url]
2003-05-17 01:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by Phillip Augustus@May 15 2003, 22:30 > Originally posted by Bardamu@May 15 2003, 20:48 ** I loved reading March of the Titans, errors or no errors. Who among you could put together such a book without making mistakes, and without spending your life doing it? It is one of a kind. If there is another history of the white race please advise because I want to read it. **
There are literally thousands, though they're typically classified as books on "European history" rather than books on the "White Race".**
March of the Titans is not only a European history book. It includes Near Eastern, North African, Central Asia, China, the New World, the Canary Islands, the South Pacific, Japan. Anywhere Caucasians are found or have left a trace --- and ties it all together in one book.
Of course there are going to be some errors and much that is debatable.
2003-06-04 07:45 | User Profile
Originally posted by Prodigal Son@May 15 2003, 21:22 ** There are other silly things are in the book like his silly and untrue attack on the Portuguese.
They are also [u]extremely[/u] liberal on the subject of miscegenation (something that I cannot over exaggerate). The cultural and racial degeneracy of Portugal may help explain why its one of the poorest EU members. Of course not all Portuguese are liberal race-mixers, and most people Portuguese ancestry in the US are pure white. **
Then we should suppose that the white Britons from London are also mulatto or have african ancestry because they are also quite liberal with regard to the miscegenation....Is very scientific your criteria to define the blackness of a people (sarcasm)
On the other hand, the 5-10% of negroid DNA in the Portuguese is mainly mtDNA (which is a maternal lineage) there are not Negroid Y-chromosome (which is a paternal lineage) or Negroid autosomal DNA in the Portuguese.
And with regard to the poverty of Portugal, at least she is part of the EU, not like other European countries from the East are considered as thirdworlders
2003-06-04 13:37 | User Profile
March Of The Titans makes a great coffee table book, but I found it to be poorly assembled.
I got the impression that the Author copied segments out of different books and threw them them all together half-assed.
Also, the amount of misprints is unreasonable. Every page has about a half dozen typos, misprints, major grammer errors, and mis-spellings. Did anyone even proofread the book.
On the other hand Arthur Kemp is an excellent public speaker.
2003-06-04 14:42 | User Profile
[font=Arial][SIZE=3][color=green]Setting Things Straight About Napolean[/font][/color][/SIZE]
[img]http://www.emissions.ca/media/images/E377-2000020909150326.jpg[/img]
I must concur as well - Arthur Kemp was indeed mistaken. Napolean Solo was not blond - it was Illya Kuryakin who was.
I hope this clears things up for everyone here.
Tom