Thread 6632

HLA A*02 allele frequencies and B haplotype associations in Western Indians.

Shankarkumar U, Prasanavar D, Ghosh K, Mohanty D.

HLA Department, Institute of Immunohaematology (ICMR), K.E.M.Hospital, Parel, Mumbai, India

[u]The population of Western India is described as Australoid or Proto-Australoid elements with admixture from Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Aryan races.[/u] We investigated the frequencies of human leukocyte antigen (HLA) A02 alleles and their B allele haplotype associations among 664 healthy unrelated Western Indians. Fifty-one of 204 serologically typed A2 individuals were analyzed for 56 molecular A02 subtypes using high resolution polymerase chain reaction-reverse line strip-sequence-specific oligonucleotide hybridization (PCR-RLS-SSOP). A total of seven different A02 alleles were identified, A02011 (16%), A0203 (16%), A0205 (2%), A0206 (2%), A0211 (52.9%), A0222 (4%), and A0236 (8%). The most common HLA B allele associated with A02 was B40. Among the 42 subtypes HLA B4006 (37.22%) was the most frequent subtype. HLA A0211 was highly frequent in this population, A0206 and A0203 are common alleles observed among [u]Asian populations,[/u]whereas A0205 occurs in Caucasians and Africans and [u]A0222 has been observed among Hispanics.[/u] A0236 has been observed among the western Indians exclusively. Most of the HLA A02 subtypes observed were associated with B4006 haplotype, although A0236 was with B0702 or B1302 among the western Indians. The prevalence of A0211 at high frequencies, A0222, A0236 novel alleles along with A*02 related haplotypes, demonstrate a substantial heterogeneity, which may be a consequence of founder effect, racial admixture, or selection pressure due to environmental factors.

PMID: 12691707 [PubMed - in process]

[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12691707&dopt=Abstract]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...7&dopt=Abstract[/url]

W.R.I.T.O.S

2003-07-25 05:26 | User Profile

*Originally posted by AntiYuppie@May 13 2003, 15:09 * ** Because he was greatly inspired by the wisdom of the Upanishads and Vedas, Arthur Schopenhauer often wondered how a once great civilization that produced such a philosophy could become so degraded in a matter of centuries (he was writing in the early 19th century). It would seem that a combination of racial admixture and cultural senescence (the "Fellaheen peoples" phenomenon sensu Spengler) was at work there. And you are absolutely right in that unless a miracle or a disaster prevents it, European civilization is headed in the same direction.

The Dravidians are assuredly not "pure" Indo-Europeans, though I find the results claiming negro blood for them to be dubious. According to Cavalli-Sforza, who did the definitive work on the genetics of human racial differences, Dravidians are most closely related to Mongols and Tibetans, and the next closest group are the "Aryan" Indians. That suggests that the Dravidians are the outcome of admixture between Aryan Indians and Eastasian mongoloid races. The north Indians are most closely related to Iranians, as one would expect.

Take a look at this interactive website which allows one to enter various ethnic and regional groups for comparison with their close relatives: [url=http://www.racearchives.com/calc/sforza_profiles.asp?dbname=sforza42world]http://www.racearchives.com/calc/sforza_pr...e=sforza42world[/url] **

I always thought that the non caucaisian element of india was something related to australian aboriginies or melanesians rather than mongoloids. As it was told to me, the humans that left africa split into a northern group which is the ancestor of modern caucaisians and mongoloids and a southern group which skirted the indian ocean and didn't evolve much and was largely overrun by the northerners.

Lewis Wetzel

2003-07-25 20:48 | User Profile

Very interesting stuff, P.S.

Western Indians are Asutraloid-Dravidian mongrels...

Scientific confirmation of my own observations. And Kipling's: "You squidgy nosed old idol Gunga Din"

As P.J. O'Rourke [url=http://www.nationallampoon.com/flashbacks/foreigners/foreigners11.html]said[/url], "'Sub-' is no idle prefix in its application to this continent."

Lady_America

2003-07-25 21:19 | User Profile

Interesting. I like to read more of this. Is there any counter research on this Prodigal Son?

Lady

PS: Did you change your avatar recently? Thought you were somebody else. And, I keep thinking you were part of the Townhall Forum when I was overthere.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-07-25 21:29 | User Profile

Originally posted by Lewis Wetzel@Jul 25 2003, 14:48 * ** Very interesting stuff, P.S. Western Indians are Asutraloid-Dravidian mongrels...*

Scientific confirmation of my own observations. And Kipling's: "You squidgy nosed old idol Gunga Din"

As P.J. O'Rourke [url=http://www.nationallampoon.com/flashbacks/foreigners/foreigners11.html]said[/url], "'Sub-' is no idle prefix in its application to this continent." **

Keep in mind that all I am elaborating on is the manifestly mixed racial origin of Indians. Obviusly there is a large discrepancy in ability between Brahmins and the lwer castes, so all Hindus shuld not be lumped together. As for churban, it looks that his intellectual abilities cluster on the lower end of the specturm :).

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-07-25 21:37 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Lady_America,Jul 25 2003, 15:19 ]Interesting. I like to read more of this. Is there any counter research on this Prodigal Son?

Lady[/qute]

You can click the links I provided in the abstracts which take you to an entire repsitory of data on population genetics. Do a search on "Indians" and see what you find.

PS: Did you change your avatar recently? Thought you were somebody else. And, I keep thinking you were part of the Townhall Forum when I was overthere.[/QUOTE]

Impossible; I've never posted on Townhall. Then again, "Prodigal Son" is a moniker that someone else may have been using. For example, there is apparently another "Prodigal Son" on Stormfront.

friedrich braun

2003-08-29 18:47 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Pugnox@May 13 2003, 13:41 * ** -that's also the future of our Germanic race by the way- just so that you Germans don't get too cocky... **

Watch it, friend! :angry:

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-08-29 19:56 | User Profile

*Originally posted by rban@Aug 29 2003, 11:34 * ** Any study posted by a European will attempt to play up the Mongoloid element of Indians and play down that of Eatsren Europeans. Simple common sense shows that India was never over-run by Mongoloids of any stripe whereas Russia was under Mongol domination for centuries. So Russians have to eb more Mongoloid and less Caucasoid than Indians....simple historical knowledge dictates that this be the case. **

rban, you obviously have trouble following. Yes, its true, India has never been "overrun" by Mongoloids (but then again, Russia has never been "overrun" by Mongoloids either). The indigenous inhabitants of India were proto-Mongoloids. The amount of proto-Mongoloid genetic content is inversely correlated with caste, but even the highest caste Hindus are predominantly proto-Mongoloid on their X chromosomes.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-08-29 20:03 | User Profile

Originally posted by rban@Aug 29 2003, 13:41 * Once again, let me repeat...there has never in India's history been any significant Mongoloid or Negroid influx.*

That's not entirely true. There was a substantial migration from Ethiopia to India apprxoimately 90,000 years ago. I'll show you the study later. In any case, as I pointed out above, the indigenous population of India is of proto-Mongoloid stock.

** In Russian history, Mongoloids ruled for centuries. **

That's inaccurate. First of all, the Tatars were mixed, not pure Mongoloid. Furthermore, it was Slavs who tended to assimilate into Tatar society, not the other way around. The Tatars have absorbed so much Caucasoid blood over the years they've been living in Russia, that they are now 80% Europid.

Marat Safin, Tatar tennis player: [img]http://galeon.hispavista.com/evanuka/mispic1.jpg[/img]

I am not saying that his 100% Europid phenotype is typical among Tatars, but its certainly not uncommon.

** blah, blah, blah.... **

LOL, this is getting tedious. Instead of getting into another gratuitous flame-war, I'll let you spam the rest of the thread to your heart's content. We all know who has the upper hand here.

Hilaire Belloc

2003-08-29 23:56 | User Profile

**Simple common sense shows that India was never over-run by Mongoloids of any stripe whereas Russia was under Mongol domination for centuries. So Russians have to eb more Mongoloid and less Caucasoid than Indians....simple historical knowledge dictates that this be the case. **

Rban I replied to your exact same remarks [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=9173&view=getlastpost]here[/url] and proved that indeed India was overrunned and ruled by Mongols.

Here's a map of the Mongol Empire at its height in the late 1200's, now lets see if India falls under it [img]http://www.thehistoryofjapan.com/T014078a.jpg[/img] indeed it does! [url=http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2532/index.html]the Historical Mongol Empire[/url]

Then Tammerlame invaded and conquered parts of India. Then his decendant Babur conquered India in the 1500's and set up the Mogul empire, which ruled for the next 200 years. [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogul_Empire]http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogul_Empire[/url]

As for the Mongol rule over Russia, the Tartars sought to dominate not conquer Russia. They were more interested in setting up puppet princes to rule Russia than have the Mongols rule directly, thus might explain Prodigal's argument that Tartars didn't assimilate much into Russian society.

So Rban, please get your historical facts correct!

Hilaire Belloc

2003-08-30 00:29 | User Profile

*Originally posted by rban@Aug 29 2003, 18:07 * ** BS. Tamerlane occuoied a tiny part of India. not what this map shows. And the MUGHALS were Persians and pure Aryans, not Mongols. Some fool is mixing up Mongol and Mughal. I will research and post the real info. **

Oh really Rban?

In the early 16th century, descendants of the Mongol, Turkish, Iranian, and Afghan invaders of South Asia--the Mughals--invaded India under the leadership of Zahir-ud-Din Babur. Babur was the great-grandson of Timur Lenk (Timur the Lame, from which the Western name Tamerlane is derived),** who had invaded India and plundered Delhi in 1398 and then led a short-lived empire based in Samarkand (in modern-day Uzbekistan) that united Persian-based Mongols (Babur's maternal ancestors) and other West Asian peoples. Babur was driven from Samarkand and initially established his rule in Kabul in 1504; he later became the first Mughal ruler (1526-30). His determination was to expand eastward into Punjab, where he had made a number of forays. Then an invitation from an opportunistic Afghan chief in Punjab brought him to the very heart of the Delhi Sultanate, ruled by Ibrahim Lodi (1517-26). **

So there was Mongol influence and blood within the Moguls. Even this [url=http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/mongols.html]timeline of the Mongols[/url] states

**1497: Babur, a descendant of both Genghis Khan and Timur, becomes the ruler of Ferghana and founds the Mughal (Mogul) dynasty **

Tamerlane occuoied a tiny part of India. not what this map shows.

So you're denying that Temmerlame invaded India in 1398 and sacked the city of Delhi, thus causing the collaspe of the Delhi Sultinate? Here's a website talking about it [url=http://www.geocities.com/somasushma/timur_india.html]http://www.geocities.com/somasushma/timur_india.html[/url]

friedrich braun

2003-08-31 05:19 | User Profile

*Originally posted by rban@Aug 29 2003, 13:41 * ** Braun, I wouldn't pay much attention to what this Slavic untermenschen says anyway. For insight into who is real Aryan, reference your own Nazi behaviour towards different ethnicities. In particular, contrast the treatment meted out to Russian POWs to that of British and Indian POWs in WW2.

Once again, let me repeat...there has never in India's history been any significant Mongoloid or Negroid influx. In Russian history, Mongoloids ruled for centuries. So we all know who is more Caucasoid, don't we? All the peseudo-scientology techno-babble in the world will not mask the basic facts which Prodigal Son is trying desperately to detract attention from. **

May I inquire as to the causes, or reasons, of your obvious (and puzzling) hostility towards Slavs? (A hostility I do not share.)

Sisyfos

2003-08-31 11:43 | User Profile

I’ll throw in my opinion since there is a good chance you’ll find his response wanting, assuming of course that your query merits a reply from his magnificence.

On a forum such as OD, which until recently was fairly classy as concerning squabbles, ethnic or otherwise, there are only a few delights to be had for someone of rban’s disruptive leanings and dubious pedigree. It is a matter of working the fault lines that yield the most pleasure. The Slavic-Germanic split is one such. That fact that there are Slavs that find merit in certain NS policies is not unusual, but, given the nature of the War in the East, one can see how the very idea lends itself to ridicule by those whose education or character is lacking. Throw in the fact that the Slavic contingent, perhaps due to youthfulness (just a guess) or heightened sensitivity, has been more accommodating to rban’s taunts, and you have something approaching an answer. Of course, the target of rban’s disdain is known to fluctuate, so you’ll sometimes see Italians, Irish, and really, any group not measuring up to India’s stringent Aryan standards be on the receiving end. Loads of fun!

friedrich braun

2003-08-31 20:32 | User Profile

India’s stringent Aryan standards...

Good one! :D :lol:

Thank you for the explanation!

madrussian

2003-08-31 20:54 | User Profile

The shortest answer is that churbanowitz is a troll. But the people he claims to belong to is so backward that there is no shortage of material to throw at him.

Hilaire Belloc

2003-09-01 00:22 | User Profile

Rban, you're more of an idiot than I previously thought!

**The Slavic subhumans on this forum react so vociferously to my pointing out of unpleasant facts for a very simple reason: Because they detect the ring of truth. If what I was stating was totally and patently false, they would just laugh and ignore me. **

And what truth is that? There's no real truth in anything you say. All you do is make stupid lame ass knee-jerk remarks.

**Slavs really have so little to be proud of that the only source of self-esteem can come through linking their group to a more successful one...hence their insistence on being pure Caucasian when everyone from Hitler on down knew perfectly well that they were mongrels. **

That right there is just bullshit and you know it! We Slavs have contributed so much to the world, too many for me to even list. We have much to be proud of! Here's a list of Russian [url=http://russianscientists.com/history/]accomplishments in science alone/url. Then there are the great achivements in literature like Gogol, Doestovesky, Tolstoy, Solzhenistyn, Pasternak, etc. Than of course classical music of Borodin, Tchaikovsky, Rimsky-Koraskov, Shoshtokovich, Profkiev, Glinka, Mussogorsky. Then many Russian films have won international acclaim for their artistic talent, among them the great 1968 film adapotation of Tolstoy's "War and Peace".

A book you should read is Steven G. Marks [url=http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/7346.html]How Russia Shaped the Modern World[/url]. It should be noted that Ghandi got inspiration for his ideas from a Slav by the name of Leo Tolstoy. In fact Ghandi admitted this many times throughout his life. It also talks about how both Tolstoy and Doestovesky had great influence on Indian intellectuals and the rise of Indian nationalism in the 20th century.

And about Hitler, it should be noted that Hitler relied heavily on Russian emigres of German decent in his movement, men like Alfred Rosenberg. Rosenberg was influenced heavily by right-wing nationalist Russian theories and incorporated many of them in his famous work "Myth of the 20th Century". Walter Laquer wrote a book about Russian influence on the Nazi movement.

**(Anyone who challenges me on this can look up the treatment of Indian POWs vs Russians by Nazis). **

Yes I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that the Germans had a regmiment of Indian volunteers, but it never saw action in the war cause the German high command doubted their effectiveness in battle. At least the Slavic volunteers actually saw combat during the war.

** Say, Madrussian, if Hindus go ahead and massacre your people, will you come back & reward us by slavishly licking our boots? Hehheheh..**

Exactly how will you massacre us? Russia has enough nukes to blow up India several times in a row. India's nuclear arsenal is puny compared to the Motherland's. Also if I'm not mistaken, India uses Russian weaponry in its arsenal. The Soviet Union supplied India with arms both with India's war with China and then later with Pakistan. Obivously the Indians must be so great and smart since they rely on weapons invented by subhuman Slavs to defend themselves.

So much for your facts, you just write knee-jerk replies. You still haven't replied to my sources on how Tammerlame invaded India in 1398 and caused the collaspe of the Delphi Sultinate, despite your claim that India was never dominated by Mongoloids.

Your facts don't mean :dung:!

Spiderman

2003-09-01 08:30 | User Profile

True, true, true... I agree with the previous poster... facts are actual... but what does it "mean"... don't forget, kids, the human factor...

(do I need to extrapolate... or have you gotten it, upon reflection?)

Doubtful.

The devil only appears (really) when we get 'ahead' of ourselves... thus is where we are today with technology... Others will say, but yes there was always "evil"...

But of necessity, she, or he, was so much more, less...

Pig goes into department store... finds customer service, and the Complaint Counter... they say yes, and pig says, I want to be taller...

Context: pigs don't know they're pigs... they don't want to change (indeed can they?) they just want to be taller...

Aiwaz93

2003-09-01 16:08 | User Profile

No country in the world has a bigger prostitution scene than India, the "cages" of Bombay where Hindu women prostitute themseves for a few rupees to all-comers are legendary. In the last century, the British occupation army set up a notorious system of brothels, serving the main army camps and the sexual needs of the Englishman. HIV is spreading at an enormous rate in India. (No tears shed here). So much for the "chastity" of the Indian. Like everything else Indian it's pure lies and deceit. It is better to trust a snake than an Indian.

Hilaire Belloc

2003-09-01 17:43 | User Profile

PS, please try to understand the hypothetical. Russia and India are strong allies and there is no prospect of war or massacres between the two...I am only stating hypothetically that given your penchant for worshipping those who try to exterminate you, perhaps the best way to win your respect is to attempt to do to your race what Hitler and his boys tried.

This absolutely makes no sense. You want to be our friend by insulting us? That may work with American women(who have masochistic sex drives) but not with Slavs.

German called you subhumans and yet you love Germans. Hindus never called you subhumans and you hate Hindus. It is quite obvious to me that our big mistake was not calling you subhumans. In fact this is one of the reasons why I do call you subhuman on this forum...this way your children will love me the way you worship Nazis.

Well first off, you've been calling us Slavs subhuman. I'm not much of an expert on this, but there have been debates here about how Hitler and the Nazis had high regard for the Slavs and even protrayed sympathy for their sufferings at the hands of Bolsheviks. I believe Hitler comdemned many of Himmler's anti-Slavic views and policies.

**Slavic volunteers were used in WW2 because the Germans found themselves alarmingly short on cannon fodder. The Indian volunteers were part of the mighty super elite Waffen SS, the absolute cream of Germanic Aryan martial prowess. **

Yes, the Free India regiments were transfered to the Waffen-SS from the Whermacht, but thats because Himmler wanted control of Foreign legions and didn't want it in the hands of the Whermacht. Even still, far more Slavs served in the Waffen-SS than did Indians.

Here's even data on the numbers of Slavs serving in the Waffen-SS: Cossacks 50,000 Ukrainians 30,000 Croatians 20,000 Serbians 15,000 Bulgarians 1,000 That's not even all of the Slavs that served either in the Waffen-SS or the Whermacht. The 14th Waffen-SS division was made up of Ukrainians, along with the 29th and 30th out of Russians.

How many Indians served, around 2300.

As I said before, the Germans never had a high opinion of the Indian volunteers. As this [url=http://www.feldgrau.com/azadhind.html]website on the Free India regiments[/url] saids

** The Germans always had a very low opinion of the fighting qualities of the Indian Legion (not that they had been given much opportunity to prove themselves in combat). Hitler is reputed to have commented: "The Indian Legion is a joke." and is said to have given a personal order that its arms be handed over to the 18.SS Freiwilligen Panzergrenadier Division "Horst Wessel".[56]**

So Der Fuhrer has as low an opinion of you Hindus as he ever did for Slavs.

Dan Dare

2003-09-01 23:30 | User Profile

**So Der Fuhrer has as low an opinion of you Hindus as he ever did for Slavs. **

Perhaps even lower. From page 91 et al of "The Germanic Isle", Gerwin Strobl, Cambridge 2000:

""... While most of Germany was concentrating on the fate of Upper Silesia in the looming referendum of 1921, Hitler was apparently preoccupied with the British Empire. .. Hitler focused on racial purity and the Britain's tendency to see in the 'native' not the fellow man - or more particularly the fellow woman - but the subject....The difference between Hitler's perceptions and those betrayed by Wilhelmine [era] cartoons is no less apparent: where imperial Germany saw charateristic french lasciviousness and an equally ram-rod stiff, button-up Englishman, Hitler saw the prelude to bastardisation on the one hand and, on the other, British racial disdain. Here, surely, is the nexus between race and empire that came to dominate Hitler's thinking for the rest of his life. Here too is perhaps to be found the explanation for another recurring thought: his striking insistence that the Third Reich should copy in Russia British rule in India."

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-09-02 05:32 | User Profile

*Originally posted by rban@Sep 1 2003, 17:48 * ** BTW : Perun, it is a well-known fact that Slavs continuously stole Jewish ideas and presented it as their own. Many of those people you described expropriated the work of Jewish intellectual giants. and all space, nuclear, and defense breakthrus of the old Soviet system were actually the work of Jews who selflessly served the Motherland and were rewarded for their loyal service by mass pogroms and extermination squads. **

That's something that you repeat ad nauseum, but could you please provide any evidence for it?

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-09-02 05:38 | User Profile

*Originally posted by rban@Sep 1 2003, 17:48 * ** Every single positive Slav accomplishment in history has come directly from Jews. **

OK, could you for instance, name at least a few Jews who contributed to the Soviet space program considerably? All the names I can think of are Russian: Tsiolkovsky, Sakharov, Korolev, Gagarin, etc., etc...

Hilaire Belloc

2003-09-02 12:36 | User Profile

You will notice that Russian 'breakthroughs' and scientific prowess has diminshed considerably in recent years.

How so Rban? Russia is still producing some of the best technology and scientific breakthroughs in the world.

In fact NASA earlier this year said that they'll be reyling more on Russian space technology for resuppling the International Space station, ever since that shuttle disaster. Our technological research is still ahead of India's.

Hilaire Belloc

2003-09-02 12:38 | User Profile

Originally posted by Dan Dare@Sep 1 2003, 17:30 * ** > *So Der Fuhrer has as low an opinion of you Hindus as he ever did for Slavs. **

Perhaps even lower. From page 91 et al of "The Germanic Isle", Gerwin Strobl, Cambridge 2000:

""... While most of Germany was concentrating on the fate of Upper Silesia in the looming referendum of 1921, Hitler was apparently preoccupied with the British Empire. .. Hitler focused on racial purity and the Britain's tendency to see in the 'native' not the fellow man - or more particularly the fellow woman - but the subject....The difference between Hitler's perceptions and those betrayed by Wilhelmine [era] cartoons is no less apparent: where imperial Germany saw charateristic french lasciviousness and an equally ram-rod stiff, button-up Englishman, Hitler saw the prelude to bastardisation on the one hand and, on the other, British racial disdain. Here, surely, is the nexus between race and empire that came to dominate Hitler's thinking for the rest of his life. Here too is perhaps to be found the explanation for another recurring thought: his striking insistence that the Third Reich should copy in Russia British rule in India." **

Thats correct. Hitler often spoke of admiration for British rule in India as perfect proof of the superiority of the Aryan race! In his free time Hitler loved watching films glorifying the British conquest of India(both British and German films on this).

Roy Batty

2003-09-02 19:20 | User Profile

*Originally posted by rban@Sep 2 2003, 07:18 * **

The lead which Russians still maintain in their space programme is due to the communist era when Jewish scientists were prevented from fleeing their slavery and were still forced to toil on the scientific gulags of the Soviets. Incidentally I am not picking on Russians...the Poles and other Eastern Euros did exactly the same thing.

Just the other day I saw that another nuclear submarine sank. Guess it's hard to maintain sophisticated equipment when the people who designed, built, and maintained this stuff have fled to Israel.

**

What are you, jewish? Very few jews were involved in the Russian space program. Just as few jews bothered with the American space program. Even many jews admit this.

Just the other day I saw that another nuclear submarine sank. Guess it's hard to maintain sophisticated equipment when the people who designed, built, and maintained this stuff have fled to Israel.

You are nuts, or a jew. Why do the vaunted "Israelis" have to steal, excuse me, appropriate almost all of their knowlege regarding nuclear weaponry, machinery, etc. from the US and other countries? From non-jews? Kee-rist, can the jews build anything from scratch on their own? C'mon rban, you are really reaching. Israel is right there with Japan and China when it comes to intellectual theft and industrial espionage against the US. Most of the technical folks from the old USSR ended up in Europe or the US. And they weren't zhids. Stick to ranting about Indians, would ya'? Or are you "coming out?"

friedrich braun

2003-09-02 19:27 | User Profile

More on the vaunted Jewish genius:

[url=http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...13538&sw=skills]http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...13538&sw=skills[/url]

**[......]

The Program for International Student Assessment (PISA-2000) survey on industrialized states (OECD) was published simultaneously in the 41 countries that took part in the research. Israeli youngsters scored an average grade of 453 in the reading-skills section of the survey, positioning them in the bottom third on the international achievement scale, with a ranking of 30 out of the 41 participating countries.**

The Manhatten Project was run by jews. However the intellectual foundations of nuclear power were in Quantum Mechanics and relativistic dynamics, which were about 70% gentile 30% jewish at that time.

Between say 1900 and 1959 jews had a very high profile in fundamental Physics, but only around 30%.

madrussian

2003-09-02 19:58 | User Profile

Originally posted by rban@Sep 2 2003, 12:48 * You people should worship us, you know.*

Yes, churbanowitz, we know.

:dung: :dung: :dung:

[img]http://www.oneworld.org/media/gallery/edwards/calcutta.gif[/img]

friedrich braun

2003-09-02 20:11 | User Profile

Originally posted by madrussian+Sep 2 2003, 13:58 -->

QUOTE (madrussian @ Sep 2 2003, 13:58 )

<!--QuoteBegin-rban@Sep 2 2003, 12:48 * You people should worship us, you know.* Yes, churbanowitz, we know. :dung: :dung: :dung: [img]http://www.oneworld.org/media/gallery/edwards/calcutta.gif[/img] ** Cleary a "Master Race" Dan Dare 2003-09-02 20:19 | User Profile rban wrote: **Also the British ARmy was staffed almost entirely with tough Indian divisions in WW2. ** Ah yes, the annals ring with the exploits of the 1st and 3rd Bengali Dhobi-wallah brigades, not to mention the fabled 1st Rajahstani Latrine-keepers. They must have scared Gerry sh*tless! Although actually, I thought the 'cream' of the Indian forces ended up fighting with the Japs in Burma (the so-called Indian National Army of the odious Chandra Bose). I use the term fighting very loosely. Roy Batty 2003-09-02 20:33 | User Profile *Originally posted by rban@Sep 2 2003, 11:48 * ** Roy, I have always stated that Jews and Israel are great friends of Hindus and India, haven't I? And so when I hear some Slav like Madrussian degrading Hindus, why shouldn't I point out that his country would have been obliterated or starved to death long ago without Jewish help? ** Well, when the "British Indian", a Hindu no less, was arrested a couple of weeks ago for his role in trying to secure weaponry to blow American planes out of the sky, one of his co-conspirators was a jew, Yehudah Abraham :P . Actually, it was the jews that starved and murdered millions of Russians. Haven't you been paying attention? Jeez. Uhhh, excuse me but Jews in America make up between 2-3% of the US population, so 30% is a very large over-representation, don't you think? Oh, I don't think you've ever seen me state that jews are stupid. They might not be creative, and through media manipulation have been able to overstate their importance and contributions in various areas of science, but I've never said they are stupid. They are probably 6% of the American population BTW, not the 3% (which drops to 2% depending on their current goals) they claim. The jews are like many Asian groups in that they place importance on study and education. Hence these groups do have high numbers of degreed individuals. But when we look at the number of those with credentials, and then compare the numbers of these individuals that make the discoveries, the breakthroughs, the innovations ... well, we then see why the jewish press has to trumpet, exaggerate and outright lie so often. **If Hitler hadn't persecuted Jews Germany would have won WW2 for sure. Jewish scientists would certainly have delivered nuclear devices to the German military by the early 40s if not earlier. ** Hitler was at war because of the jews. The jews couldn't have delivered nuclear weapons to Hitler even if they had been on their side. Jewish contribution in Quantum Mechanics and relativistic dynamics was even smaller than stated in F. Braun's earlier post. Roy Batty 2003-09-03 00:34 | User Profile Hey, give credit where credit is due. Bose makes great speakers. :rolleyes: Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-03 03:18 | User Profile *Originally posted by rban@Sep 2 2003, 09:33 * ** Perun, I am honestly very perplexed with this statement. How can you possibly complain about the sex drives of American women when ....and please understand, the objective here is not to insult but simply to state a fact.....so many Slavic women are in the sex industry here? I'm not kidding or exagerrating....whenver we take clients out to strip joints, we ALWAYS encounter a horde of your country-women....always. ** That's because of the terrible economic condition in Russia and that many Russian women are lured into the sex trade by promises of going to the West. This suggests very loose morals among your females. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....how can you sit there and complain about American women when ... well, you get the point, I think. Many of these Russian women come from shattered homes and such, and so this in many ways is the only way to support themselves. Much like Sonya in Doestovesky's "Crime and Punishment" whose prostitutes because she has no other way of supporting her family. BTW, Sonya is not a woman with loose morals. If there is a breakdown in morals, that's a direct result of Communist rule and its attempt to destroy traditional values and the Orthodox Church. In America, you see women from the most affluent neighborhoods sleeping with every :afro: that comes their way. Just like as MTV tells them to do! In most civilized societies, you gain a womens' affection by being nice and gentlemanlike to her. But in America, girls give you affection when you treat them like sh*t. American girls just love those "bad boys", who dress in baggy pants, talk "street talk", don't give a :dung: about anything. :punk: :punk: Please it's so pathetic! Then they have the nerve to complain about how all men are jerks and such, even though the real nice guys are usually right in front of their faces! Like I said, this is pure masochism. :thd: Russian women, like most decent women in the world, still prefer men who act like gentlemen around them. Now thats just common sense! I see far more charm in 80 year old Russian women than most(if not) all 20 year old female Americans. friedrich braun 2003-09-03 05:53 | User Profile To see what real, pure Aryans look like see the leaders of the East Indian BJP: :punk: [url=http://www.bjp.org/leader.htm]http://www.bjp.org/leader.htm[/url] Texas Dissident 2003-09-03 06:04 | User Profile *Originally posted by rban@Sep 2 2003, 23:28 * ** I honestly think that there is something inherently wrong in white genes which makes their women sluts. ** Watch it, dothead. Your obvious buffoonery and Christian decency is keeping me from saying what first comes to my mind reading statements like this, but if you keep it up I bet I can jump right back in the flesh if I have to. MadScienceType 2003-09-03 14:12 | User Profile Good thing for rban he's safely ensconced behind a monitor somewhere. I would pay good money to see him advocate his theory anywhere a good ol' boy could hear him! friedrich braun 2003-09-03 15:05 | User Profile **I have slept with so many of them that I think I am very well qualified to know. ** You're a filthy scumbag and half-ape. :dung: Insulting your host... well, the first thing we'll do is deport Third World riff raff such as yourself to your respective cesspools. You can't run a successful (or even livable) polity at home, so you're invading (and destroying) our lands. I think that you've overstayed your welcome at OD. Take your fecal droppings elsewhere, monkey! (Isn't time to ban this sh*t-coloured piece of turd?) Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-03 17:07 | User Profile They have so much to be ashamed about themselves. If I were Slavic I would try my best to deny my origins. Probably start off by changing my surname. I've already refuted your first comment and I'm not repeating myself. As for your second comment, no way in F*cking hell am I giving up my Slavic heritage. I'm proud of it and to ask somebody to deny their ancestry is real low thing to do rban. I refuse to be another white yuppie who talks about how Europeans are stupid and such, and then replies to comments that their ancestors came from Europe with "well I'm an American, period!" type crap. Russia is going through a crisis, but it has faced far worse before only to rise up again only stronger. ** **"I foresee the re-establishment of a mighty Russia -- one yet stronger and more powerful [than she is today]. Remember that it is upon the bones of martyrs just such as these that a new Rus' will be erected, as on a firm foundation; and yet, she will be fashioned after the old model and firm in her faith in Christ [our] God, and in the Holy Trinity! And the Church will be as one, in accordance with the testament of Prince St. Vladimir! The Russian people have ceased to understand just what Rus' is: she is the foot-stool of the Lord's Throne! The Russian must realize this and thank God for the fact that he is a Russian." St. Ioann of Kronstadt**** Oh, and Tex....your dear Slavic friend Perun is agreeing with me...so why don't you go and take the matter up with him as well? Excuse me you Hara Krishna rat, I never said that there's something wrong in white genes that make white women sluts. I said that they're taught that by the filth-ridden MTV culture. Don't go twisting my words around just to advance your agenda! ** Fact is I am a very honoured and respected member of OD> I serve a vital function here...I bring up issues that others would gloss over.** :lol: :lol: :lol: I've never heard such garbage in my life! If you were banned here, nobody would miss you! ** I will in fact lead you people to salvation and convert you all to Hinduism!! Braun: I am warning you, do not antagonize me. I am the future leader of the West. You will one day bow to me. You risk incurring the wrath of Shiva, God of Destruction. ** Yes, let's all bow down to good ol Hara Krishna! HARA HARA HARA KRISHNA! :lol: Marcus Porcius Cato 2003-09-06 16:05 | User Profile Based on his psychotic hatred of Slavs, it is a safe bet to surmise that urbanowitz is more pawn shop k*ke than Ganges river refuse. As for fomenting hatred between Germans and Slavs, it was 'antislav' poster boy Himmler who successfully exhorted one of his top lieutenants to marry a Russian widow. Men such as Himmler did not object to intermarrying with REAL slavs, just the miscegenated Tartar, Turkish, Jewish and Gypsy (read INDIAN) riff raff posing as honest to Perun Slavs - just as we honorable white men don't object to intermarrying with REAL Aryans, just the foul smelling offal of the Ganges. Is there ANY nation on earth, including the mudpeople of Subsaharan Africa, Latin America, Polynesia, and Indochina, either loudly clamoring or silently pining away for the the dot headed beauties of the asian COWboys? On the other hand, Russian women, that is, REAL Russian women, are more potent than a bottleful of Viagra. Hint to the towel heads - if even the niers thinks you're fugly and smelly, 'nuff said, fo' sho'.** Thanks for the pic, Herr Braun. Must be the winner of the Miss India contest. However, in future please give ample warning, as some of us habitually visit OD immediately after dinner. Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-06 16:21 | User Profile Men such as Himmler did not object to intermarrying with REAL slavs, just the miscegenated Tartar, Turkish, Jewish and Gypsy (read INDIAN) riff raff posing as honest to Perun Slavs - just as we honorable white men don't object to intermarrying with REAL Aryans, just the foul smelling offal of the Ganges. What did you mean by that? Are you saying that I'm some riff raff posing as a Slav? Spiderman 2003-09-06 22:44 | User Profile I have an antiquated view of sex... as a high testosterone male, I simply assume, if I've climaxed... a good time was had by all??? Of course since I have staying power, it's usually the case. Plus I'm very in touch with my feminine side...so I know what she's going to want next...prior to her knowing... (which scares me). The guys (like me) only get delight and some joy, and lastly a bit of release...while she gets ecstasy. So why does she still expect me, as the guy, to pay for dinner? That's just a rhetorical question...knowing her royal hindness as I do...it's appropriate... WHY? A woman is special...not always in who she is in the particular, but always in who she is as a gender in relationship with the next generation, bringing them into the world. Plus in the particular she's naturally stronger emotionally making the nest and relationship possible in the first instance. Biologically men are sluts; and biologically women are whores. It means men ought to curb their inclination to follow their penises around... while women ought to curb their inclination toward being overly impressed with that which lines their pockets or feathers their nests... Men are wired to polinate; while women are wired to gather things up for their [and their offspring's (even if they don't intend to have any)] nest... however shouldn't they exhibit some measure of taste, in being who they are? Maybe not, I don't know. I'm sure for example Madonna would say hell no man, get it any way you can!?! Life is brief. Madonna though reminds many of a gentleman in drag... It might explain somewhat the Madonna ... Brittany connection recently... ? Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-07 02:58 | User Profile *Originally posted by Spiderman@Sep 6 2003, 16:44 * ** I have an antiquated view of sex... as a high testosterone male, I simply assume, if I've climaxed... a good time was had by all??? Of course since I have staying power, it's usually the case. Plus I'm very in touch with my feminine side...so I know what she's going to want next...prior to her knowing... (which scares me). The guys (like me) only get delight and some joy, and lastly a bit of release...while she gets ecstasy. So why does she still expect me, as the guy, to pay for dinner? That's just a rhetorical question...knowing her royal hindness as I do...it's appropriate... WHY? A woman is special...not always in who she is in the particular, but always in who she is as a gender in relationship with the next generation, bringing them into the world. Plus in the particular she's naturally stronger emotionally making the nest and relationship possible in the first instance. Biologically men are sluts; and biologically women are whores. It means men ought to curb their inclination to follow their penises around... while women ought to curb their inclination toward being overly impressed with that which lines their pockets or feathers their nests... Men are wired to polinate; while women are wired to gather things up for their [and their offspring's (even if they don't intend to have any)] nest... however shouldn't they exhibit some measure of taste, in being who they are? Maybe not, I don't know. I'm sure for example Madonna would say hell no man, get it any way you can!?! Life is brief. Madonna though reminds many of a gentleman in drag... It might explain somewhat the Madonna ... Brittany connection recently... ? ** Spiderman, what does any of this have to do with the topic at hand? We're not talking about giving women orgasisms here, we were orginally talking about how Indians are related to Blacks and than we're onto Rban(or churbanwitz)'s shameful remarks about Slavs. Aiwaz93 2003-09-07 08:37 | User Profile Rban is not white, and has absolutely no business or qualification to pontificate about white people.The British occupiers of India treated the natives as a class apart, with disdain and contempt, banning them with association with Whites, but allowing British soldiers sexual release from Indian prostitutes. It is sad that the White race has forgotten this very basic and necessary rule, yhat was eforced only 50 years ago, everywhere the White is the superior and the Brown is his inferior. The British colonialists also appreciated one very, very important fact about the Indians character.He is a born cheat and liar.Any "agreement" or "contract" with an Indian is not worth the paper it is written on. So to all of you Americans out there, enamoured with so-called Indian compurt genius, I would take a long hard look at the the worth of any Indian credentials. Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-07 16:48 | User Profile *Originally posted by Aiwaz93@Sep 7 2003, 02:37 * ** Rban is not white, and has absolutely no business or qualification to pontificate about white people.The British occupiers of India treated the natives as a class apart, with disdain and contempt, banning them with association with Whites, but allowing British soldiers sexual release from Indian prostitutes. It is sad that the White race has forgotten this very basic and necessary rule, yhat was eforced only 50 years ago, everywhere the White is the superior and the Brown is his inferior. The British colonialists also appreciated one very, very important fact about the Indians character.He is a born cheat and liar.Any "agreement" or "contract" with an Indian is not worth the paper it is written on. So to all of you Americans out there, enamoured with so-called Indian compurt genius, I would take a long hard look at the the worth of any Indian credentials. ** Oh trust me I know. I have to live among these damn people! Spiderman 2003-09-08 00:03 | User Profile No one thing is true... it's all true... I agree. I diverged. Sorry. Too bad, the whole world isn't one big ORGASIM (especially a woman's) UNSTOPPING... However the Diety if there is ONE... who wanted "others" for company... wants us to learn something inbetween the O's? IN 'hope' of our becoming good "company"? And isn't that what we're talking about...WHO is good company? I agree. A nation ought to be able to 'choose' that... else what's a nation for? The WORLD can't choose it, because we're all stuck here with one another... in the same boat...hey, be careful don't tip us over... I hear'ya... Hey, this is no time for sex right, now... or, well... ok we won't look...Don't tip us over... :taz: Sit still, darn it... ! Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-08 14:50 | User Profile *Originally posted by Spiderman@Sep 7 2003, 18:03 * ** No one thing is true... it's all true... I agree. I diverged. Sorry. Too bad, the whole world isn't one big ORGASIM (especially a woman's) UNSTOPPING... However the Diety if there is ONE... who wanted "others" for company... wants us to learn something inbetween the O's? IN 'hope' of our becoming good "company"? And isn't that what we're talking about...WHO is good company? I agree. A nation ought to be able to 'choose' that... else what's a nation for? The WORLD can't choose it, because we're all stuck here with one another... in the same boat...hey, be careful don't tip us over... I hear'ya... Hey, this is no time for sex right, now... or, well... ok we won't look...Don't tip us over... :taz: Sit still, darn it... ! ** Again, what does any of this have to do with anything? Spiderman 2003-09-08 16:39 | User Profile Next to nada... I'll stop. Context, context, context... you're right. Eendracht Maakt Mag 2003-09-09 11:58 | User Profile Originally posted by perun1201@Sep 6 2003, 10:21 * ** > Men such as Himmler did not object to intermarrying with REAL slavs, just the miscegenated Tartar, Turkish, Jewish and Gypsy (read INDIAN) riff raff posing as honest to Perun Slavs - just as we honorable white men don't object to intermarrying with REAL Aryans, just the foul smelling offal of the Ganges.* What did you mean by that? Are you saying that I'm some riff raff posing as a Slav? ** No, I think the point MPC was trying to make (and a very valid point at that) is that not everyone form a Slavic country is a Slav, and not everyone claiming to be a Slav is a Slav either. This is more true of Russia than anywhere else. The official census figures claim that ethnic Russians comprise 81% of the population, but the true figure is probably closer to 60%, since an individual can put the ethnicity of either of his parents down as his own. Some minorities, for example the Yakuts, have also adopted Russian surnames (as opposed to Russianized ethnic surnames). Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin), 1/4 Jewish, 1/4 Mongoloid "Russian": [img]http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/l/pics/lenin.jpg[/img] Just as not everyone who hails from America is of English descent, not everyone who hails from Russia is of Russian descent. Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-09 13:59 | User Profile Ok Prodigal Son, but he didn't have to use my name in order to make that point. Eendracht Maakt Mag 2003-09-09 14:40 | User Profile *Originally posted by perun1201@Sep 9 2003, 07:59 * ** Ok Prodigal Son, but he didn't have to use my name in order to make that point. ** He wrote "honest to Perun Slav", i.e. "Honest to God Slav." Its an idiomatic epxression. Hilaire Belloc 2003-09-09 14:48 | User Profile Originally posted by Prodigal Son+Sep 9 2003, 08:40 --> QUOTE* (Prodigal Son @ Sep 9 2003, 08:40 ) <!--QuoteBegin-perun1201@Sep 9 2003, 07:59 * ** Ok Prodigal Son, but he didn't have to use my name in order to make that point. ** He wrote "honest to Perun Slav", i.e. "Honest to God Slav." Its an idiomatic epxression. ** Oh ok! I understand now! :lol: