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Conservative [OP]

2003-05-13 08:29 | User Profile

See [url=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arlist/]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arlist/[/url] Lots of news on current events.

Regards,

Ares

Chaucer

2003-06-23 00:23 | User Profile

I am a member of this group email. Some people are suggesting some pretty asinine things...ie.. Jews in white nationalism...one person even suggested miscegenation with the Jews and Japanese to create a "superior race".

Tom Rennick

2003-06-26 00:09 | User Profile

Indra said: > [color=red]"...one person even suggested miscegenation with the Jews and Japanese to create a "superior race".[/color]

What would such a hybrid be called - Joopanese, maybe?

Raider of Arks

2003-06-26 01:13 | User Profile

You couldn't pay me to interbreed with Jews or Japanese. Both are dangerously close to inbred. Either would gain far more from me than I would from them.

Franco

2003-06-26 01:34 | User Profile

Jews ARE inbred.

madrussian

2003-06-26 02:02 | User Profile

I agree with you that renny and you may be inadequate and should be cast off to yidrael or Japan to be used as cattle :lol:

madrussian

2003-06-26 02:09 | User Profile

You aren't nearly as obnoxious and annoying as renny, but in terms of weirdness you just occupied a spot in the same category.

PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-26 02:38 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Ares@Jun 25 2003, 22:20 * ** Yes, when we actually analyze the White race, Euros appear to be just plain weird. Jewish median IQ is 117, East Asians are at 108, While Whites are at the center of the racial hierarchy at a measely 103. Then consider the complete lack of innate ethnocentrism, and the high irrationality brain modules in most Whites. Soon you start to ask yourself, "just what the hell am I supposed to proud of?" **

I am saddened to learn this. You've missed the point of nationalism. The point is not that Whites are "the best" in terms of IQ or whatnot, the point is that they are your people. That's what makes them valuable as-is--they're yours. It's that simple.

To call Whites, by themselves, "inadequate" shows that in your scale of values that you're no different, at base, from the multiracialists--if the multiracialists could prove that slamming all the races of the earth together into one amalgam resulted in IQs of 150, I'm betting that you'd support the deal.

I'd rather my race keep its "measly" 103 and still retain its unique, distinct character--flaws and all.

2600

2003-06-26 02:43 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Ares@Jun 25 2003, 20:20 * ** This is why I am a eugenicist/transhumanist. I don't want to preserve Whites, but rather build upon the White genome via eugenics/transhumanism.

Eugenics? Right....the poster boys for eugenics are [surprise, surprise] the 115 avg. IQ Ashkenazi Jews. Eugenics may boost the avg. IQ across your racial group, but just look at the habits and attitudes of the Jews to see its negative effects. Megalomania? Check. Extreme paranoia? Check. Too many neuroses to count? Check!

I am sure Franco has detailed information on this....

I think whites have done just fine without eugenics. Of course, whites do have many faults, our excessive altruism chief among them. However, in the long run, it seems that eugenics has the potential to do far more harm than good for those who engage in it.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-26 02:57 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Ares@Jun 25 2003, 20:53 * ** And I respect your version of White Nationalism. But I belong to another version of White Nationalism, the version that encorporates eugenics and transhumanism.

Regards,

Ares **

Whatever it is you "belong" to cannot be termed nationalism by any stretch of the imagination.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-26 03:02 | User Profile

Originally posted by Ares@Jun 25 2003, 20:20 * ** Yes, when we actually analyze the White race, Euros appear to be just plain weird. Jewish median IQ is 117,*

That's inaccurate.

**The intelligence of American Jews Author: Richard Lynn Filed: 4/2/2003 Source: Personality and Individual Differences doi:10.1016/SO191-8869(03)00079-5

Received 18 March 2002; revised 15 May 2002; accepted 27 January 2003. Available online 26 March 2003

Abstract This paper provides new data on the theory that Jews have a higher average level of verbal intelligence than non-Jewish whites. The theory is considered by examining the vocabulary scores of Jews, non-Jewish whites, blacks and others obtained in the American General Social Surveys carried out by the National Opinion Research Centre in the years 1990-1996. Vocabulary size is a good measure of verbal intelligence. Jews obtained a significantly higher mean vocabulary score than non-Jewish whites, equivalent to an IQ advantage of 7.5 IQ points. The results confirm previous reports that the verbal IQ of American Jews is higher than that of non-Jewish whites.

Author Keywords: Jews; Intelligence

Discussion The results provide seven points of interest. First, they confirm the previous studies showing that American Jews have a higher average verbal intelligence level than non-Jewish whites. Second, the 7.5 IQ point Jewish advantage is rather less than that generally proposed and found in the studies reviewed in the introduction finding that Jews have verbal IQs in the range of 110-113 but is closely similar to the figure of 107.8 obtained in the Bachman study which is arguably the most satisfactory of the previous studies in terms of the size and representativeness of the sample.

Third, the present data has strengths in comparison with a number of previous studies in so far as they are based on a nationally representative and reasonably large sample size of 150 Jews and 5300 gentile whites. The very close similarity between the present result and the Bachman result suggests that the best reading of the verbal IQ of American Jews is 107.5 (present study) or 107.8 (Bachman). These figures are well below previous estimates of Jewish verbal ability.

Fourth, an average verbal IQ of 107.5 would confer a considerable advantage for American Jews in obtaining success in professional work. There would be approximately four times as many Jews with IQs above 130, compared with gentile whites. This may provide a plausible explanation for the 4.8 over-representation of Jews listed in American reference books of the successful such as Who's Who, American Men and Women of Science, The Directory of Directors, The Directory of Medical Specialists and the like and calculated by Weyl (1989).

Fifth, the small difference of 1.4 IQ points between the non-Jewish whites and the "other" category is not statistically significant or very informative. The category is largely made up of Hispanics and Asians, who are themselves a heterogeneous category. Hispanics have mean IQs below whites (e.g. Herrnstein & Murray, 1994), East Asians have about the same IQ as whites (Flynn, 1992) or slightly higher than whites (Lynn, 1995), while South Asians have mean IQs lower than those of whites according to the calculations of Flynn (1992). Aggregating these groups produces a combined mean very close to that of non-Jewish whites.

Sixth, despite some three-quarters of a century of research and quite a number of papers on the intelligence of American Jews there is still a lot of useful research to be done on this question. Probably the best approach would be to analyze Jewish abilities in terms of the construct of g and of the eight second order cognitive factors in the taxonomy of intelligence proposed by Carroll (1993) and the similar taxonomy advanced by McGrew and Flanagan (1998). These second order factors are fluid intelligence (reasoning), crystallized intelligence (verbal comprehension and knowledge), general memory and learning, visualization, broad retrieval ability, cognitive speed and processing speed. Probably all that can be concluded with a fair degree of confidence at present is that Jews have high crystallized intelligence (verbal ability) of which the vocabulary test used in the present study is a good measure and that on this ability their IQ in relation to gentile whites is approximately 107.5. The Backman (1972) study provides IQs for several of the second order factors (given in the introduction to this paper) but these are so variable and in some instances so low as to raise doubts about their credibility. It is difficult to credit that the Jewish sample could have a non-verbal reasoning IQ of 91.3, and at the same time a mathematical IQ ("quantitative reasoning" in the McGrew and Flanagan taxonomy) of 109.7. It is also difficult to credit that the Jewish sample could have a verbal IQ of 107.8 while at the same time having a short-term verbal memory IQ of 95.1. These results are in need of checking and replication. At present it is doubtful whether any conclusion can be reached about the intelligence of American Jews except that their verbal intelligence or, if this is preferred, their gc (crystallized intelligence) is about 107.5.

Seventh, the factors responsible for the high Jewish verbal IQ raise interesting questions. It has been proposed by MacDonald (1994) that these lie in centuries of eugenic customs, especially the high status and high fertility of rabbis, a group with high verbal intelligence whose high fertility could have promoted the increase of genes for verbal intelligence in Jewish populations. While there are no strong data on the fertility of rabbis, there can be little doubt that it must have been higher than that of clerics in Christian gentile populations that have been required to be celibate for much of the last 2000 years. Another factor that has sometimes been suggested to explain the high intelligence of the Jews is the frequent persecutions to which these have been subjected during the last 2000 years, which the more intelligent may have anticipated and escaped by migration while the less intelligent may have been less able to anticipate the dangers of the situation and would have been killed. However, it is difficult to see how this could have acted differentially on verbal intelligence and not (if Backman's result is accepted) on non-verbal reasoning. Environmental explanations for the high Jewish IQ are difficult to find. Even if it is supposed that Jews provide their children with a good environment for fostering the intelligence of their children, there is a problem in providing an explanation for why they do this.

Furthermore, it is not well-established that within family environmental factors have any long term effect on intelligence. The high IQ of the Jews also raises a problem for those such as Scarr (1995) who maintain that racial discrimination is an important cause of the low IQ of blacks. Jews have suffered a great deal of discrimination over the last 2000 years but it has apparently not had an adverse effect on their intelligence or at least on their verbal intelligence. **

** East Asians are at 108,**

No, actually, its more often assessed to be closer to 105. In any case, East Asian standard deviation is lower.

** While Whites are at the center of the racial hierarchy at a measely 103. **

Well, an average IQ of 103 is hardly "measely". In any case, an IQ of 103 coupled with the widest standard deviation of any racial group and a strong propensity towards field-independent behavior makes for a nice combination, IMHO.

Then consider the complete lack of innate ethnocentrism,

Pardon?

** and the high irrationality brain modules in most Whites. Soon you start to ask yourself, "just what the hell am I supposed to proud of?"**

Certainly more than a member of any other major racial group, IMHO.

This is why I am a eugenicist/transhumanist. I don't want to preserve Whites, but rather build upon the White genome via eugenics/transhumanism.

What's more feasible amd desirable - increasing white IQ by old fashioned eugenics or by crossbreeding whites with East Asians?

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-06-26 03:05 | User Profile

Originally posted by Ares+Jun 25 2003, 21:00 -->
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QUOTE* (Ares @ Jun 25 2003, 21:11 )
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I need to see Lynn's new data verified by other scientists before I can accept his new figures.

Yes, Whites completely lack in innate ethnocentrism, see [url=http://home.attbi.com/~neoeugenics/host.htm]http://home.attbi.com/~neoeugenics/host.htm[/url]**

I would prefer an article by a reputable peer-reviewed scholar. I am afriad Mr. Nuenke does not really qualify as such. To say that whites "completely lack in innate ethnocentrism" would be hyperbole. If this were true, none of us would be here. In fact, if whites completely lacked in innate ethnocentrism, whites would not exist as a race. Ethnocentrism is a very strongly culturally influence phenomenon; I wonder how much of their ethnocentrism the Orientals would retain if their culture had been under Jewish influence for hundreds of years.

Most Whites have done nothing, only a small handful of White geniuses invented everything, the rest of the Whites just copied. So perhaps we should just be proud of the geniuses, and not the average White man.

Nationalism is about being proud of the uniqueness and accomplishments of one's nation, and advancing the interest thereof. Its not about "being the best", though aspirations to excellence are certainly commendable.

You are right, intra-racial eugenics is more feasible, but not necessarily more desireable.

How is mongrelization more desireable? How is advocating mongrelization nationalistic?

Yes, East Asians have a lower standard deviation, thus less retards.

And less geniuses, among other things...

Conservative

2003-06-27 04:04 | User Profile

Inter-racial eugenics between Whites and East Asians is very impractical, it is much easier to just practice eugenics within the White race.

Regards,

Ares

triskelion

2003-06-27 07:07 | User Profile

The eugenics movement (as it is normally thought of today) has zero interest in culture or race as determining factors of societal progress and worth but instead simply believes that what really matters is a country's median IQ. As a result, they support miscegenation if the IQ of the offspring will raise the level of that psychometric measure within society.

One problem with this simple, deterministic notion is that simply by virtue of having a higher median IQ one does not necessarily see a more meritorious (by Western standards) society arise. One can clearly see this case with Israel which came into existence solely by virtue of jewish influence over a decayed U.S./U.K. ruling establishment and continues to require massive support from Occidental nations to stay in existence. The culture of that nation is degenerate and vile in the extreme and it's economy would disintegrate instantly were it not for it's parasitical prowess. The implication being that genius thrives and depends upon societal conditions which arise from the racial composition of society.

Secondly, one can point to the fact that simply having a high IQ often does not result in an individual being more capable of advancing society. A fine example of such a situation is something I quickly during my brief stay with MENSA or reading over birdman Bryant's exchanges with that group. Essentially, the experiences of Bryant and myself show that a great deal of irrational, PC lemmings with zero capacity exist in that high IQ organization and having more such people in society at large would worsen the problems we face rather then lessen them. Having a high IQ does not mean that one is an original or critical thinker or that such a person is of high moral character or productive as can clearly be seen by the preponderance of high IQ jews in the socializing institutions of America. Again, clear is the implication that genius thrives and depends upon societal conditions which arise from the racial composition of society.

Certainly, the great innovators in science and technology have high IQs yet the high IQ Asian societies and Israel have not produced nearly the numbers of genuinely important innovators as have the Occident nor have they achieved the material prosperity that the Occident has inspite of our nations being ruled by aliens that promoted our decline for over 2 generations. Once can also point to the fact that high IQ aliens come to Western nations and achieve more then they those same exceptional individuals could within their own nations. Yet again we see that race provides the context within which individual achievement take place.

The notion that all but a few truly exceptional are mere dead weight contributing nothing is moronic. Prior to the destruction of folkish societies in the Occident perfectly unremarkable, plebeian and often anonymous members of my race created numerous, vibrant folk cultures and art which can enrich all that have some affinity for Occidental beauty that you clearly wish to discard. We will also do well to remember to remember instances of exceptional courage and strength of character changing the tide of history and that such men were more often then not lacking exceptionally high IQs. We may also point to people like Harry Miller who's mechanical aptitude provided fantastic innovations yet his IQ was perfectly ordinary. If Ares would read Mosca and Pareto he would soon realize that generation and decay of elites and the society they lead has to do with much more the mere intellectually prowess which is far more complicated then a single psychometrical measure.

When considering how culture is shaped one can also look to aesthetics which are determined primarily by one's perception of himself and his neighbors when the poison of the propasphere is absent. When the physical appearance of a people change so to will the art and the way they perceive the world. Ares as clearly stated that he has no interest preserving whites but merely having their genes be combined with higher IQ populations. Of course the logical consequence of Ares is advocating is that Occidentals merge with far larger Asian populations which is basically just another way of saying he supports our physical extinction. The merges of the various branches of humanity with one another means that far more is passed on to the offspring then a mere regression towards the median of the parent's IQs. One also gets a lack of identity which is the natural product of a union between two people that come from drastically dissimilar backgrounds have zero interest in the perpetuation of that which their people created and instead uniformly embrace the anti-culture because doing so means that one is molded entirely by fadism which certainly is the path of least resistance and that nillism is reflected in the offspring inter-racial unions as is quickly verified by looking over inter-racial publications and websites. In return to surrendering the folkways, aesthetics and civilization of Occidental man by merging with jews as Ares promotes we can also gain a pathological hatred of Occidentals, a large catalog of genetic decease and numerous social pathologies and higher instances of mental illness. The wana be anarchy guy seems to somehow thinks that one can pick and choose which genes one will pass along to your off spring yet the reality is that such unions will produce the massive down sides I mentioned

For Ares to claim to be a nationalist or racialist those words would have t lose all meaning which as it so happens is very much in keeping with jewish strategies to destroy the West which Ares would know about were he to read McDonald's trilogy. Anyone that promotes the dissolution of his own race belongs to no form of racialism or nationalism but belong to the ranks of multi-racialism and the nillistic destruction that entails.

Faust

2003-06-27 12:30 | User Profile

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Conservative

2003-06-27 18:36 | User Profile

*Originally posted by triskelion@Jun 27 2003, 01:07 * **

**

Hello Triskelion,

Today's eugenicists know that IQ is very important, but that personality is also just as important, thus eugenicists seek to improve not just IQ, but personality as well.

I respect your version of White Nationalism (the National Socialism version) in which micagination is anathema. But, as I said, no one has a monopoly of what White Nationalism is suppose to believe. Some White Nationalists, like John Bryant, support micagination. But, it is though very impractical, it is much easier to just practice eugenics within the White race.

Yes, only a extremely small percent of the White race are geniuses that made great contributions, but most Whites are just average people who have the sheep mentality and don't really do anything special. This is why I am the type of White Nationalist that embraces eugenics as a way of bringing the average Whites up to the level of genius. But as I said, I respect your version of White Nationalism in which dysgenics would be allowed.

Regards,

Ares

triskelion

2003-06-27 19:10 | User Profile

Ares, those that promote micagination are not racialists of any form. I could list plenty of non NS (of any current) that feel the same way from dozens of nations (inclueding the states) all of which means that for a word to have meaning it has to have peramiters. What you promote is the destruction of my race so you are not a racialist of any description.
I pointed out that societal progression/survivial entails a wide range of types of people making contributions to civilization and that a great many such people lack high IQs. This critical fault in your thinking once agin simply demostrates that you simply are not a racialist as you don't understand what produces culture and biologic uniqueness.

It is obvious that what you promote is nothing more then multi-racialism and Occidental destruction with the aim of raising IQs irreguardless of overwhelming downside. This truth is obvious to those worth attempting to reach here so i'll not concern myself wiht endlessly restating the self evident.

W.R.I.T.O.S

2003-06-27 23:56 | User Profile

The is no such thing as a white nationalist or racialist that supports miscegenation. Call yourself something else.

Conservative

2003-06-28 00:03 | User Profile

Hello Triskelion,

Like I said, no one, including yourself, has a monopoly on the definition of a Racialist. You embrace the type of Racialism that is based on propaganda and not empiricism, while I embrace the opposite type of Racialism. But that does not mean your version is any less valid than mine; what this means is that different Whites have different desires, so creating different versions of White Nationalism makes sure that everyone is happy.

Also, you are incorrect in saying that I support micagination, I have stated that such programs would be very impractical, it is more efficient to practice eugenics within the White race only. Of course, I have met many White Nationalists who do indeed support hybrid programs.

In addition, you are incorrect if you believe that all Whites are the equivalent of Isaac Newton; genetically speaking, most Whites are just average, pretty similar to the average East Asian with respect to potential.

Regards,

Ares

Conservative

2003-06-28 00:08 | User Profile

*Originally posted by W.R.I.T.O.S@Jun 27 2003, 17:56 * ** The is no such thing as a white nationalist or racialist that supports miscegenation.ÃÂ Call yourself something else. **

John Bryant at [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/]http://www.thebirdman.org/[/url] supports micagination between East Asians and Whites, and he is a White Nationalist, but the type that supports only micagination between Whites and East Asians.

I am another type of White Nationalist though, the type that believes that Whites should not micaginate simply because it is impractical.

So, what version of White Nationalism do you support personally?

Regards,

Ares

triskelion

2003-06-28 04:12 | User Profile

Ares, you are not a White Racialist of any form. You admire the Zionist state and advocate cross breeding my race with Asians and jews although admittedly you believe it is not practical you clearly think it a good idea . You also very clearly said that don't wish to preserve whites and that whites have nothing to be proud of. The record within this thread stands and it condemns you. Your not a white racialist of any sort if that term means anything at all. You can protest all you want and point to some libertarian freak that supports child pornography as a racialist but doing so hurts your position. I never said that I or anyone else is the sole person able to define racialism. Yet if racialism does not by definition entail a love of one's own race for what makes it unique and a desire to preserve and protect that uniqueness then the word has no meaning. I have no interest in perusing this matter any longer as you clearly are no supporter of the Occident, promote the agenda of my enemies and are not worth another second of my attention. You doubtlessly will respond with another redundant post claiming that you're something other then a IQ obsessed multi-racialist but the poverty of your position is painfully self evident to anyone worth talking to. Nothing more need be said on the matter save you declaring yourself to be something other then a racialist or a nationalist.

Conservative

2003-06-28 04:42 | User Profile

Ares, you are not a White Racialist of any form.

Hello Treskelion,

Yes, I am one version of White Nationalists, while you are another version.

** You admire the Zionist state**

I don't admire Israel, my comment was that Jews do indeed have the ability to sustain a workable nation, I did not say it was based on ethical principles.

and advocate cross breeding my race with Asians and jews although admittedly you believe it is not practical you clearly think it a good idea.

It is my race also, thus I too have a say. Your comments are contradicting: first you say I think hybrid projects are a good idea, then you say I think it is a bad idea. Can you please clarify this? Thanks.

You also very clearly said that don't wish to preserve whites and that whites have nothing to be proud of.

Correct, I don't have a desire to maintain the White genome as it is, but rather I wish to improve upon it without ends.

Yes, the average White person does not have anything to really be proud of, but rather, the White elite geniuses are the ones that should be proud. Aside from this, I personally don't have the need for the emotion of pride; I support White Nationalism not because I feel the emotion of pride, but rather because I find it practical to do so. As a futurist and idealist, I see the emotion of "pride" as primitive and characteristic of lesser evolved people. But again, this is just the beliefs of those that folow my version of White Nationalism. Other White Nationalists do indeed value the sensation of "pride" and they have every right to do it and set out to create their own unique version of White Nationalism.

**Your not a white racialist of any sort if that term means anything at all. **

As I said, no one has a monopoly on the characteristics of a White Racialist. There are many different version, as is even evident on this forum. Some support theocratic governments, some support secular ones, some are atheistic, some are Christian, some oppose eugenics, some support it, some support kicking all non-Whites out, some believe in just preventing any more from entering, and on and on.

Yes, John Bryant supports one version of White Nationalism, he is a White Nationalist.

** Yet if racialism does not by definition entail a love of one's own race for what makes it unique and a desire to preserve and protect that uniqueness then the word has no meaning. **

It has meaning for those who support the version of White Nationalism as you have described above.

In my version of White Nationalism, we want to enhance the good traits, but also add good traits that we currently don't possess but that other races may have. We may even decide to genetically engineer brand new traits if it will enhance our gene pool! We also want to create a strong army in our future nation to protect our citizens from attackers.

Regards,

Ares

madrussian

2003-06-28 04:55 | User Profile

** my version of White Nationalism **

Who would that be? If you believe that you can just claim a label, you are mistaken. Definitions becomes meaningless once they stop meaning anything. You can claim whatever, but that doesn't make you that in the eyes of the rest.

Conservative

2003-06-28 05:03 | User Profile

If you believe that you can just claim a label, you are mistaken. Definitions becomes meaningless once they stop meaning anything. You can claim whatever, but that doesn't make you that in the eyes of the rest.

Hello madrussian,

If you believe that you can deny one's label, you are mistaken, to respectfully use your own words.

And the rest have the right to not support my version of White Nationalism; only those that support my version of White Nationalism will join up in our group.

Regards,

Ares

madrussian

2003-06-28 05:07 | User Profile

It's not about me denying you the label, there is common usage that you are violating.

Conservative

2003-06-28 05:11 | User Profile

*Originally posted by madrussian@Jun 27 2003, 23:07 * ** It's not about me denying you the label, there is common usage that you are violating. **

Hello madrussian,

Has anyone done any studies to see what exactly are the beliefs of everyone who claim to be White Nationalists? And if these beliefs can be divided into basic versions, what percentages of the total White Nationalist population follow each version?

Regards,

Ares

triskelion

2003-06-28 16:24 | User Profile

Ares, very little more need be said. You repeated your redundant and illogical claims yet again exactly as I predicted as well as misrepresenting my views. I never said that racial cross breeds are a good idea so that needs no explanation but your lack of reading comprehension does. That you think the Occidental genome can be improved by making more Asian or Jewish simply is yet another statement by you that proves you see more merit in alien races then mine which means that you are not a white racialist. The pride, that you lack, in my race is not emotional at all but simply a realization that it is unique and what my people create is worth while. I wish for the continued existence of my people while you wish to turn them into a jew/Asian/European hybrid which means that you are in no sense a racialist if that term means anything. You claimed Israel is a sustainable nation yet even a casual observation proves you wrong as several people here have pointed out with no rebuttal from you just mere repetition of a patently wrong and counter factual position. You have proven your self morally and intellectually bankrupt so I need say nothing more on the matter and I'll let to you restate your multi-racial twaddle yet again.

Conservative

2003-06-28 17:45 | User Profile

*Originally posted by triskelion@Jun 28 2003, 10:24 *

I never said that racial cross breeds are a good idea

Hello triskelion,

I think my words may have confused you; what I meant was that, you first claimed that I think micagination is a good idea, but then you say I think it is a bad idea.

That you think the Occidental genome can be improved by making more Asian or Jewish

Scientifically speaking, if you were to talk the whole White race and interbreed it with the East Asian races, we would have some good effects and some bad effects. The good effects include an increase in IQ average, an increase in conscientiousness, an increase in ethnocentrism, and a more balanced altruism. On the negative side, Whites may loose some of their creativity. Someone at OD mentioned that Whites have more inquisitiveness; I wonder if this trait is related to the Big-5 personality trait of "Conventionality versus Open to experience." It does seem Whites are more inquisitiveness, but I would like to see some sychometric figures to back that up.

simply is yet another statement by you that proves you see more merit in alien races then mine which means

Which means I embrace scientific reality, while you find more value in irrationality/religiosity. But again, that does not mean your irrational version is any less valid than my empirical version; what this means is that Whites have different needs, and so we need to create different versions of White Nationalism to please everyone.

**you are not a white racialist. **

Yes, I am a White Racialist, but a different version from the one you personally support.

The pride, that you lack, in my race is not emotional at all but simply a realization that it is unique and what my people create is worth while.

Scientifically speaking, pride is an emotion, not a rational thought. And reason alone can show that Whites are unique, but not necessarily in a positive way. Whites are better than other races in some ways, and worse in other ways. This is why I am a eugenicist, to remove the bad traits, while enhancing the good ones.

My White race has a very small percentage of high IQ elite geniuses that create very worthwhile things, but the average White person is not that special. But, through eugenics/transhumanism, the average members of my White race race can be lifted to genius-hood.

I wish for the continued existence of my people while you wish to turn them into a jew/Asian/European hybrid which means that you are in no sense a racialist if that term means anything.

This is incorrect, I don't wish to create hybrids because is is impractical and because Whites may lose some of their Creativity. Also, there are White Nationalists who do indeed support hybrids because they see it as being good for Whites.

You claimed Israel is a sustainable nation yet even a casual observation proves you wrong as several people here have pointed out with no rebuttal from you just mere repetition of a patently wrong and counter factual position.

Israel is a sustainable nation; if the Israelis wanted to, they could easily eliminate every Arab nation surrounding it; it's the Gentile world that holds Israel back from this path, and the Jews fear reprisals from Gentiles if they did indeed exterminate all the surrounding Arabs. Also, Israel does not need all that American money, they just think that if Whites are so willing to give them so much money for free, they might as well take it; Jews have no problem exploiting other races.

You have proven your self morally and intellectually bankrupt so I need say nothing more on the matter and I'll let to you restate your multi-racial twaddle yet again.

Morality is purely subjective. Intellectually, I base my arguments on empiricism, while your arguments are based on irrationality/religiosity. But again, that does not mean your irrational version of White Nationalism is any less valid than my empirical version; what this means is that Whites have different needs, and so we need to create different versions of White Nationalism to please everyone.

Regards,

Ares