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2003-05-08 17:29 | User Profile
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86338,00.html]Circling the Wagons in Georgia[/url]
Thursday, May 08, 2003
By Bill O'Reilly
Hi. I'm Bill O'Reilly. Thank you for watching us tonight.
Circling the wagons in Georgia. That's the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. We promised last night to give you the poll results from billoreilly.com, where the question was, "would you allow your child to attend a racially segregated prom?"
Unfortunately, I can't give you the results for the following reason. A neo-Nazi organization called "Storm Front White Nationalist Community" tapped into our Web site, and its advocates polluted the poll. Here's what was posted on that that neo-Nazi Web site. "They're trying to crucify some white kids in Georgia for having their own prom. Everybody vote. Yes, it takes two seconds."
Before that group became involved, 62 percent of the respondents said they would not allow their kids to attend a segregated prom but, obviously, the poll is now skewed. I'm sorry about that, but there is nothing we can do in this internet age.
So, now we put the question on the scientific FOX News/Opinion Dynamics poll roster, and we'll have snap poll results tomorrow for you. Nobody can interfere with that.
Now, the fact that this white supremacist group is taking such an interest in the prom situation says a lot and should also be a danger sign to those of you who don't see the problem here.
Meantime, back in Georgia, some of the local media is attacking me for saying the prom is wrong and Governor Sonny Perdue should be ashamed of himself for not taking a public stand against it. Now, we're used to being attacked here, but it's discouraging. There's no way I should be driving this story from New York City. The Georgia media should be all over it. They are not.
The prom itself is a small story in the scheme of things, but the lack of leadership on the part of the Georgia power brokers is anything but small. What are Black Americans supposed think when 18 percent of U.S. casualties in Iraq were black soldiers, and a couple of weeks later, an all white prom is allows to go unchallenged.
Come on. This kind of exclusionary garbage is unacceptable in a public school. The sad truth is that millions of Americans of all colors simply don't want to associate with people different than themselves. And they have a constitutional right to that desire, but a public school event, a prom, organized within the school is not a personal choice. It is a celebration of achievement and advancement and to exclude some students because of skin color is mean and un-American. Responsible leaders have a duty to make that known clearly and in person. What say you, Governor Purdue?
We'll have more on this with Georgia radio talk show guy, Neil Boortz, coming up.
And that's The Memo.
Stormfront thread on this is located here: [url=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67452]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread...&threadid=67452[/url]
Here's the text of my message to Stormfront on this story....
**I'd like to congratulate the posters of Stormfront, and thank Don Black for making all this possible. O'Reilly's memo shows the power that organized White Nationalists can wield, especially when they take advantage of technologies such as the Internet. We've scored quite a victory in the battle of ideas. No, we won't be recovering a nation for ourselves tomorrow because of this incident, but this is still something to be proud of, and something to continue doing in the future.
Consider what O'Reilly admits in his memo--he admits defeat! He laments the existence of the Internet, because he knows that the Establishment can't control it the way they do everything else. He also is upset that he has to "drive" his story from New York City--the Internet has helped expose the power structure for what it is--a small group of aliens and their lackeys holed up in a stinking, Third-World-esque city who merely manufacture the illusion that they're "the wave of the future." He admits that there should be "power brokers" in Georgia forcing the multiracialist agenda--but they're not. It seems the multiracialist elite is losing its vigor, growing ever weaker and unable to withstand challenges.
It's very telling that the Establishment, which used to boldly state how it was the future and that White Nationalism was the "dead past" has abandoned that triumphalist rhetoric and is now playing the sympathy card, whining, "poor us, we're so beleaguered by those evil racists--there are more of them than we thought and they have more strength of will than we thought...won't someone help we good folks trying to lead our communities in our time of need?" I love it!
By the way, notice how O'Reilly says we "tapped into" his website, the sort of language used as if we illegally hacked his website or something. All we did was go to his website like anyone else and vote in a poll available to the public. No wrongdoing involved. He's just angry that people with the "wrong opinions" showed up and dared to express them on his watch.
Also, congratulations to Stormfront for making FOX News spend more of their money on a "scientific poll." Keep tying them up and making them waste their resources on their fruitless "ideological warfare" projects.**
And here is an e-mail I sent to O'Reilly....
**Subj: O'Reilly and Racial Equality: On the Segregated Prom Poll Date: 5/8/03 1:48:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time To: oreilly@foxnews.com
Mr. O'Reilly:
I see that you've pulled the poll from your website regarding the parental desirability of racially segregated school proms, no doubt because the poll results would offend certain hypersensitive minority groups that currently hold sway over the nation's media.
What's wrong with White people who prefer to associate with their own kind? Surely you've noticed that throughout human history, all groups naturally display a sense of "group egoism." Whites, however, in modern times have been specifically prohibited from all expressions of group egoism, or nationalism, largely as a result of the Leftist (and largely Jewish) infiltration of our media and schools over the past several decades.
The dogma of "racial equality" has not always gripped our land. In fact, it is a mere blip, a passing phase, before the more natural pattern of "group egoism" again reasserts itself. Our Founding Fathers would be considered "racists" by today's flawed liberal standards. Jefferson, for example, famously stated of Blacks and Whites that "the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government." I wouldn't condemn Jefferson's observation as "racism," but instead regard it as the timeless expression of a reality and a wisdom that we've sadly lost today. If you consider yourself at all "conservative," I have to ask what is more worth conserving than the founding racial stock and demographic composition of this nation?
Whites are increasingly recovering their lost sense of racial consciousness, and are likely to shape the future of this nation in dramatic ways. Mr. O'Reilly, I sumbit that you've hitched your wagon to the wrong star. Egalitarianism, including its "rainbow conservative, colorblind-individualist" variety, has been discredited by the lived personal experience of most Whites, and the only reason why it persists in power is due to a carefully conditioned fear among the populace--many Whites still worry about being accused of "racism," or of violating some other taboo of political correctness. But that edifice of fear cannot sustain the Establishment forever. As you can see from your poll results, that edifice is already fast eroding.**
2003-05-08 17:58 | User Profile
Nice going, but expect things like this to go into the dossier that eventually helps classify us as 'domestic terrorists'.
What are Black Americans supposed think when 18 percent of U.S. casualties in Iraq were black soldiers, and a couple of weeks later, an all white prom is allows to go unchallenged?
The same thing the other 82 percent are supposed to think when they're forced to clap their hands for all-black colleges, all-black tv networks, all-black public events and the odd Million Man March or two. Eat it and smile, pal.... or you're a "racist".
2003-05-08 18:00 | User Profile
Solid points, sir...
I myself would love--- LOVE--- to know the ethnic compostion of Bill Oreilly's gated community... his child's school...his dinner parties.... etc.
2003-05-08 18:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@May 8 2003, 13:58 ** Nice going, but expect things like this to go into the dossier that eventually helps classify us as 'domestic terrorists'.
What are Black Americans supposed think when 18 percent of U.S. casualties in Iraq were black soldiers, and a couple of weeks later, an all white prom is allows to go unchallenged?
The same thing the other 82 percent are supposed to think when they're forced to clap their hands for all-black colleges, all-black tv networks, all-black public events and the odd Million Man March or two. Eat it and smile, pal.... or you're a "racist". **
You know, IR, that's probably true re: the dossiers. If the Establishment starts seriously losing the "war of words," what's to stop them from tossing aside the Constitution and just cracking down on their opponents?
This is pretty much how we're going to have to play this, though, in the future. We stay 100% legal, we run political candidates, we print up good literature to inform people, and eventually ZOG won't be able to take the heat, and they'll change the rules of the game once it looks like we're going to win. We have to make sure that the government is the first to make aggressive, extraconstitutional, "bad guy" moves--that's how you gain the support of the people. But that only helps us win in the end, too, since then everyone will be able to see that the government has absolutely no legitimacy--not even the illusion of it--once the government does something like that. Of course, some dissidents might face some hard times in the meantime. People like Dershowitz want the government to use torture, for example....
2003-05-08 18:42 | User Profile
A lot of Freepers actually seem to think O'Reilly is a nut on this issue. One even suggested that O's reference to Stormfront was really a reference to Free Republic. This caused an Admin Moderator to chime in with some [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/907441/posts?page=187#187]damage control[/url]:
**To: John Lenin
No, the reference to Stormfront was a reference to Stormfront, not to Free Republic.
They can see from the http logs what the referring website was for the visitors who participated in the online poll.
187 posted on 05/08/2003 7:30 AM EDT by Admin Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] **
On another thread, the Freepers don't seem to buy O'Reilly's excuse about "neo-Nazis" skewing his poll...
**From [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/907515/]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/907515/[/url]
To: gunnedah Neal Boortz got O'Reilly good! The whole hub cap issue was brought up in an interview with Tim Russert of NBC ever since then O'Reilly has brought up this issue to make him look like the hero. And I doubt that Neo Nazis invaded his site most Americans would let their kids go to the prom seeing that it was NOT school affiliated and that it was a PRIVATE party. There are many Black only events including some on my college campus but no one screams bloody murder about that. 142 posted on 05/07/2003 11:19 PM EDT by Dengar01 [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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To: gunnedah What's the deal with his prom poll story? On his TV program tonight he claimed that a neo-Nazi group had commandeered the poll and sent it all askew. I'm wondering if that is really what happened, or if the poll results was not of his liking and he decided to blame it on a white supremacist group. I wouldn't put it past him. 211 posted on 05/08/2003 2:32 AM EDT by mass55th [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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To: mass55th What's the deal with his prom poll story? On his TV program tonight he claimed that a neo-Nazi group had commandeered the poll and sent it all askew. I just went to his site, and the poll in question has been removed. I kept getting an error message when trying to access the archived polls. Must be those pesky neo-Nazis again. /sarcasm 212 posted on 05/08/2003 2:44 AM EDT by Scothia (Proudly eschewing the flaky, antifamily feminist establishment since 1973.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 211 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] **
I've noticed many Freepers are saying things in support of the prom and freedom of association. I'm pleased to see that the grip of the likes of O'Reilly is loosening on these people, if only on this one issue.
2003-05-08 21:29 | User Profile
Well, I for one am VERY glad that people like Bill O'Reilly are on the television warning us that Those Evil Nazis [tm, the Jewish community] are lurking around polluting polls. [gasp]
Think about it: what might Those Evil Nazis [tm, the Jewish community] do next??? Tell our children that The Holocaust [tm, the Jewish community] nebber, nebber happened?? [shudder]....
:shock: :shock:
THANK GOODNESS for that brave Mr. O'Reilly.
2003-05-08 21:50 | User Profile
I found the comment about tossing out the constitution some time in future rather odd. The constitution, like any legal document, means exactly what present day judges claim and nothing else. The society that gave rise to the constitution is long dead and the people that are tasked with upholding it have zero interest in the niceties of paleo-con legal doctrine because they are the products of a society that hates the old American Order.
When the JDL gets away with arson without even a police inquiry or people like Jimmy Woods and Joe Rowan can be murdered for their political views in front of dozens of witnesses without even an arrest being made the fact is that American dissidents have no more rights then I do. Rather, they just have deluded themselves into thinking other wise. Instead, it seems to me that constitutionalism, democracy and republicanism are only meaning under very specific societal and historical conditions that have not existed in the states for some time. Instead, the "mobocracy" and anti culture found in America are the product of: 1) your socializing institutions being run by racial aliens 2) the inevitable outcome of the racial dispossession caused by the former. As a result, the institutions that oppress you will not provide you with a means for a reversal of the current decline because they exist to oppress you rather then represent you given the current zeitgist.
2003-05-08 22:01 | User Profile
Who are Woods and Rowan?
Love to hear that Stormfront got a mention on the televitz. It's not our most erudite site, but Alexa ranks it high and it looks like the troops marched on this one.
2003-05-08 22:19 | User Profile
Originally posted by triskelion@May 8 2003, 17:50 ** I found the comment about tossing out the constitution some time in future rather odd. The constitution, like any legal document, means exactly what present day judges claim and nothing else. The society that gave rise to the constitution is long dead and the people that are tasked with upholding it have zero interest in the niceties of paleo-con legal doctrine because they are the products of a society that hates the old American Order.
When the JDL gets away with arson without even a police inquiry or people like Jimmy Woods and Joe Rowan can be murdered for their political views in front of dozens of witnesses without even an arrest being made the fact is that American dissidents have no more rights then I do. Rather, they just have deluded themselves into thinking other wise. Instead, it seems to me that constitutionalism, democracy and republicanism are only meaning under very specific societal and historical conditions that have not existed in the states for some time. Instead, the "mobocracy" and anti culture found in America are the product of: 1) your socializing institutions being run by racial aliens 2) the inevitable outcome of the racial dispossession caused by the former. As a result, the institutions that oppress you will not provide you with a means for a reversal of the current decline because they exist to oppress you rather then represent you given the current zeitgist. **
Triskelion,
I know the Constitution is a worthless piece of paper now. My point was that in politics, perception is everything, and not the reality behind it. The average American, as dumb as he is, actually still thinks that "he has his rights," namely "freedom of speech." If it ever gets to the point in this country that those rights are systematically taken away, and the Average Joe sees widespread crackdowns over speech issues, I think he might finally get the idea that "his rights" have been nothing but a fiction for much longer than he realizes. Once the government does things like that, no one will be able to blubber anymore about how America "has freedom." the charade becomes too transparent and too difficult to maintain.
2003-05-09 20:36 | User Profile
Hello HL,
Jimmy Woods was a paleo-con bootboy and friend of mine from the D.C. area that was murdered by a mob of Congoids because they thought he looked like a "nazi" back around '87 or '88. Joe Rowan was the singer for the once popular band "Nordic Thunder" (which never appealed to me) who was murdered by a creature called Nasi Ghani bak in '94 in Racine. In both cases the attacks were totally unprovoked, were seen by literally dozens of witnesses that identified the murders and in both cases no arrests were made. I can recall several more such instances (some more recent, some older) and I mention it just to remind people that political violence doesn't just happen somewhere else then the states.
Of course the more recent and larger scale leftist violence seen in York (Pennsylvania), Baltimore and D.C. last year was over shadowed by the massive street battle in San Francisco's Union Square in ââ¬Ë90 when 13 American Front members fought a mob of roughly 200 ARA/Black Block thugs for roughly half an hour before riot police put an end to the brawl. Naturally, only the AF members were arrested inspite of the fact that they simply defended themselves as numerous bystanders stated.
With respect to PA's comments I certainly hope that he is right. I will say however that angry, disenfranchised people don't do anything constructive unless they are provided with proper leadership, a valid ideology and means of activism.
2003-05-10 14:07 | User Profile
The poll was scewed from the start because most O'Reilly fans are PC neocons. Stormfront merely brought some balance to the poll.
Anyway, aside from countless black-only events and organizations that go unchallenged, for whites to have an all-white event requires that there was some great amount of racial offense toward them! If the school prom was held at a black-only venue then whites could hardly have felt invited, and I would even add that the choice of a black-only venue was the tip of the anti-white racist iceberg that motivated these whites to hold a white prom.
Blacks are rabidly racist and otherwise offensive in their culture. They're not too pretty to look at either. Whites are exceedingly slow to stand up for their own rights or to do anything that would cause real racial offense. Whites will accuse their own brother of being racist for ducking the fist of a black assailant. And, that is what has happened here.
Incidently, as the black prom was the "official prom" that means that the whites were forced to pay for it while the blacks didn't have to pay for the white prom.
2003-05-17 23:30 | User Profile
It really irritates me when ignoramuses like O'Reilly use the terms "White Nationalist" "Neo-Nazi" and "White Supremacist" interchangeably.