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Thread ID: 6440 | Posts: 4 | Started: 2003-05-02
2003-05-02 02:45 | User Profile
Heyah friends on OD,
Thought Iââ¬â¢d post a discussion Iââ¬â¢m having with a nice British woman who is just starting to wake up. I could use any other ammunition yââ¬â¢all might direct me towards.. I have already sent her 16 files to read (ranging from Angry White Female from Alexââ¬â¢s site to Let Africa Sink by Kim du Toit, which I have posted here, under Culture Wars).
** Avalanche: I USED to not be particularly race-prejudiced (heck, my bro-in-law is black!) but since living here I've turned pretty much completely racist! If these *#+$&)& African-Americans are so in love with Africa... I'll PAY 'EM to move there! Atlanta is called the "capital of black America" -- which seems to mean 'we' have a MASSIVE crime problem, massive corruption problem, massive welfare problem, massive illegitimate birth problem (70% of black kids in the U.S. are born bastards! Guess who's payin' for 'em... it AIN'T their daddies!). **
** Brit Girl Well you know El, I used to be the biggest anti-racist campaigner around. I went on marches, I got in huge fights with my family (my dad is South African), I totally supported the nurture versus nature thesis and said the police were on downer with the blacks, the poor things. What happened? I moved to a black part of London. Boy have I developed a downer on the black population. ...
Brit Girl I hate the bastards. I feel terrible saying that. I've become a disgrace to educated white womanhood but I do.
Avalanche: No no no! You have become an EXAMPLE of the BEST of educated AWAKENED white womanhood!! Think for a minute -- you have now had ACTUAL experience with people incapable of living in a civilized fashion amongst civilized people in a civilized world -- you KNOW the ACTUAL truth. The propaganda you have been fed and fed and fed till you should have choked on it makes you think it's WRONG to recognize the truth of your experiences.
If you'd been told all your life the sky was green, and then one day you got to actually go outside and look up, would you decide there was something wrong with YOU because you saw blue? Or should you maybe wonder WHY the people who had taught you it was green had chosen to do that?! You've been brainwashed -- your.. no... OUR whole society has been brainwashed for purposes NOT our own into forcing ourselves to NOT see the evidence of our eyes, to NOT believe the evidence of our own people's experience.
WHY would you think discovering the TRUTH makes you a disgrace, instead of an educated AND experienced woman?!
Now, I add the warning I always do when discussing these matters -- this is dangerous stuff! You can get FIRED for speaking openly -- in fact, there in Britain, as I understand, you can be JAILED for speaking openly about this stuff. You must be careful to not write about this at work (where it can get saved and scanned for "illicit words" on the company's back-up servers!), to not keep these kinds of messages on your hard drive -- put ââ¬Ëem on a floppy, if you want to keep them, and store it someplace away from the computer... I'm serious! **
** Brit Girl The illigitmate babies all round Peckham. The shootings. The dirt. The noise. The law-breaking. The illegl parking. The lack of consideration. The outright criminlity and violence. I wish they'd all f*ck off back to Nigeria/Jamaica/Ghana/wherever the hell it is they come from. Take their nasty crimes and despicable driving and go away.
Avalanche: BINGO! These are RACIAL traits -- do you notice that this is the state that AFRICA is in, has always been in (and always will BE in), except where the white man has come in and by force of arms subdued (not tamed, not civilized, not raised up ââ¬â merely subdued!) the blacks? Do you notice that any African state where the whites have allowed themselves to give up their stranglehold on power they are being raped, murdered and driven out? And the blacks are returning to their animal lives and DOING the raping, murdering and driving out?? Think you that is a "reaction" to white order, or a reaction to the REMOVAL of white order?!
Do you not SEE that blacks have NEVER in all the history of their race EVER become civilized. (No matter what claims the liars make today ââ¬â Cleopatra was NOT black, she was a direct lineal descendant of Ptolemy ââ¬â a Macedonian general, NOT an African. The Egyptians DID end up ââ¬Ëblacker' at the end of Egypt's reign as a civilized country ââ¬â but which came first, the miscegenation or the decline of Egyptian civilization?**
** Brit Girl Amazingly I do have some black friends, but they're very middle class and educated. The vast majority of the people I see and come across in daily life are scum and I don't want them living in my neck of the woods.
Avalanche:
The problem is both cultural and numerical. There are ALWAYS exceptions; there are ALWAYS educated, civilized, civil blacks; people who DO fit into white neighborhoods -- but they are FEW, and they have friends (and often political positions) who ARE "bad" -- who are loud and damaging and rude and crude and just...
Think of school-kids -- kids with an IQ of 85 will NOT be college bound, will NOT be smart, bright leaders -- they will be... slow. The bell curve for blacks is CENTERED on 85! (Meaning HALF are BELOW 85 IQ!!) (And lest you say 'oh, IQ tests are culturally biased -- as so many objectors do -- HOW can it possibly be culturally biased when Japanese/Asians are as far above white as whites are above blacks -- do they suggest the IQ testing is "biased" PRO-ASIANS?? IQ tests DO accurately measure academic success and, to a lesser degree, success in a technological society (you know, like WE live in?!). HOW can any group EVER "achieve" academic success when they are flat-out incapable of it? How will blunting and damaging WHITE education make BLACKS succeed?
Do y'all have blacks there who beat-up and deprecate other black kids who DO study and try to succeed in school, calling them 'trying to act white?" How is it "acting white" to act civilized? Oh, yeah, right... It IS acting civilized! ... I DO think we whites are better than... not "anyone else" but MANY "elses" -- just measuring by standards I want to live by! Education, living standards, care for others, building and managing infrastructure and structure, medicine, science, economics, (hell, even POLITICS), law, civility, cleanliness, 'playing nice' treatment of women and animals, and on and on! These are measuring standards I think are important and correct standards! These are standards by which I want to live, and I want the people around me to live by a similiar standard, else what good are MY standards? And of people will not or cannot live by a similiar standard, I want them GONE!
Let them go live with other squatting animals! Let them go chop each others' hands off with machetes and engage in cannibalism and raping infants to cure AIDS! But let them do it in THEIR OWN countries! Not mine! (Or yours, for which I hold a real warm spot in my heart! Scots and English descent myself, yah know!)
But to even have any chance of coming even slightly closer to that dream -- it REQUIRES that white wake up and join together to protect THEIR racial interests against the JOINED racial interests of other races!! That is politcally incorrect -- but NECESSARY! (Sadly, in Britain, it's now quasi-ILLEGAL too.)**
2003-05-02 02:51 | User Profile
KMacD --
[url=http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm]http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm[/url]
Also, J. Philippe Rushton at Charles Darwin Research Inst. [on the web].
2003-05-02 03:19 | User Profile
From a discussion with another friend, who needed much more careful handling, hence my prevarications (e.g., "I know many wonderful black men." No, I don't.). We met on a guns rights group and were discussing (originally) how to best protect yourself; at what distance and by what signs did you decide to draw a weapon or not...
** He: So all whites need to feel afraid that blacks could kill them? I dunno, that's a bit of a reach. It's also true that the vast majority of crime committed against blacks is committed BY blacks. So all blacks should fear all other blacks? That's the kind of generalization that paints with too broad a brush that I was referring to. It's statistically correct but it's not really that logical of a conclusion.
Avalanche: It feels bad to 'say' it, but: Yes! The carjackers, the home invaders, the perpetrator(s) of the several recent "kidnaped at the transit station, raped, and killed," the drive-by and convenience store shootings -- EVERY 'good' person should, if not fear, at least be cautious about unknown black males... However unfair that is to the good ones.
At the risk of an un-P.C. analogy -- many pitbulls and Rottweilers are delightful dogs, sweet and good natured. That fact does NOT allow one to carelessly approach an unknown Rottie -- because it is also quite likely that THIS unknown dog will be vicious... and it's MORE likely that an unknown Rottie will be vicious than your unknown German Shepard or even Cocker Spaniel (one of the 'biting-est' dogs out there!). That's not 'racism' -- that's common sense based on a HUGE database of incidents, necessarily involving "generalization, offensive and divisive" as it may be.
(Am I saying it's a genetic failing in black males? I don't know -- I want to assume NOT, since I know many wonderful black men. But German Shephards raised badly can be just a dangerous as Rotties raised badly; it's just that it may be more likely that a Rottie raised... carelessly... will end up dangerous than a carelessly raised Shephard. Nature/nuture? Does it MATTER? It is, sadly, a fact that ALL people are at more risk from (some) black males...)
"The Right Reverend Jesse Jackson caused quite a stir in 1993 when he admitted: "There is nothing more painful to me than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then to look around and see someone white and feel relieved." " (from: Howard J. Fezell Editor, SecondAmendment.net) **
** He: Personally, I don't care if accurate statistics offend anyone. Someone will be offended by the facts no matter what. It's when those facts are generalized beyond reasonable application (all blacks or all whites or all asians or all whatever) that I object.
Avalanche: Ah, but the splitting of hairs must be on the "reasonable application" -- not on the generalizing. If black males (approx. 5-6% of the population) commit 59% of the violent crime (Department of Justice statistics), then it is -- as Ann Colter put it about hijackers -- not racial profiling, it's a description of the suspect!
Because so many black males commit so many violent crimes, it is appropriate (no matter how personally offensive) to view black males with a jaundiced and cautious eye! (Not to hate them, merely to be extra cautious.)**
** He:There are a lot of people I don't like and they come in all colors. I try very hard never to hold a person's race against them--as I feel that is right.
Avalanche: Let me see if I can convince you that this "belief" of yours is fatuous "programming" -- you were brainwashed into thinking this way about only ONE aspect of discrimination and rational thought!
Are you saying that you approach every rattlesnake and brown recluse with an open mind: that just because SOME of them (even a LOT of them) bite and poison people, there is no reason to expect that THIS particular one might bite YOU. You approach a pit bull with the same general care, and no extra care, as you would approach a German Shepard or a Chihuahua? You walk across a rickety, swaying, rope and rotting wood bridge with the same ease and lack of fear and care as the Golden Gate? You never consider putting money in the stock market, because you cannot (will not...) make judgements and estimate trends because that would be unfair to companies that aren't as successful? You walk freely and carelessly along the edge of a very high cliff, because to assume THIS cliff might recede out from under your feet is "prejudiced" against cliffs!
Can you see that in EVERY other area of your life, you logically and reasonably (and regularly) discriminate and make judgements and make choices on the basis of past history and trends and predilections and experiences (yours and others')? However, in THIS ONE AREA -- the only area where there is MASSIVE societal programming -- constant and unsubtle and with very strong and noticeable rewards and punishments for trespassing or obeying the programming -- in this one area, you fall in line immediately and completely -- EVEN while you act, in your choice of neighborhood to live in and places to travel at night, and convenience stores to avoid, and so on, as if you DID understand and accept the common sense discrimination that ALL animals rightly have?!
You're been programmed to "as I feel that is right." You have NOT chosen that on the basis of experiences or common sense or practicality or even just 'because my parents believed that way.' Society -- socialist/communist forces in society -- have overwhelmed and subverted the common sense that was a hallmark of 'white christian america' -- remember when we grew up? Those beautiful, cultured, SAFE, neighborhoods of mostly white families? Where has that all gone? (I'd also suggest you consider WHY it has gone -- but until I can get you to consider that it HAS gone, and it was intentional that it was destroyed, you can't get into the why...) (Why were black familes in the 20s, 30s, 40s, and even 50s mostly stable and 2-parent and valuing school performance and 'civil' (civilized!) behaviour? "Racism" may have been ubiquitous, but it also meant a more stable and valuable America. WHY was American destroyed and by whom? For what end goal?) **
** Avalanche: Here's a problem I've been mulling over -- whites are being trashed (and sued!) for "subconscious racism."
CocaCola was sued for "institutional racism"-- you know, as in: "we can't find a SINGLE, actual, living, white person in the company to "blame" for "racism," but it MUST exist, so we're suing" (and they're winning!) WHY is that acceptable, but NOT: "blacks are committing crimes at an ASTONISHING rate, way way above any reasonable statistical proportion and therefore all blacks, even ones not apparently criminal, should be approached "as if"..."?
WHY are we not assuming there is subconscious or institutional criminality? I mean, we've got actual NUMBERS of crimes and criminals, but we do NOT have actual numbers of 'people at Coke acting in a racist way'... "We" are holding ALL whites responsible for unequal results -- but NOT blacks for unequal actions.
He: But I try not to be prejudiced against anyone because of their ethnicity.
Avalanche: Why not? That's like saying 'I try NOT to treat a daddy longlegs differently from a brown recluse.' That's like saying "I try to enter every dark alley withOUT considering my safety, because it's unfair to the "good" alleys to assume this one might be a bad one." (And that's a pretty good analogy for an unknown black man approaching. It IS unfair to assume THIS particular approaching black man might be one of the criminal ones -- but it's sure stupid as HELL to assume he is NOT and let down your guard. (Statistically! Reasonably, rationally, on the basis of years and years of blacks committing crimes WAY out of proportion to their numbers. Discrimination is the CORRECT way of life! And WHY have you been taught that in this one area, it's not?!)**
;) Needless to say... he had asked that I no longer correspond with him... But I can hear the echos of it rattling around in his head... He's going to have a hard time forgetting what we've talked about...
2003-05-02 03:21 | User Profile
Thanks Franco, but FIRST I need to get her to realize that she HAS been brainwashed, before I can get her to realize that means there is SOMEONE doing the brainwashing... (Hey, isn't that the "intelligent design" rationale for not believing in evolution? :lol: :D Sorry Tex, et al.)