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Thread ID: 6423 | Posts: 25 | Started: 2003-04-30
2003-04-30 21:18 | User Profile
NEW DELHI (AFP) Apr 30, 2003
Forty-eight Indian Air Force MiG fighter jets have crashed in the last three years, Defence Minister George Fernandes told the upper house of parliament Wednesday.
He said the government was giving priority to buying jet
trainers for the air force as well as improving training
methods in order to reduce the casualties.
The Indian Air Force, the world's fourth largest, has been
plagued by crashes, particularly in its ageing fleet of its
Russian-built MiG aircraft.
Previous official figures showed that at least 221 MiGs,
worth tens of millions of dollars, were lost in crashes
between 1991 and 2000.
Hundreds of pilots have died in the crashes and experts
have repeatedly highlighted the need to revamp the fleet.
:dung: :dung: :dung:
2003-04-30 23:12 | User Profile
Go here and take a look at the accident rate for Air India, Indian Airlines, etc. and compare those rates to the rest of the world. [url=http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/asia.htm]http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/asia.htm[/url] Of course, China doesn't furnish a lot of info, but we have a good idea.
Given the overall safety record of the MiG, we have to look at the pilots. These people are not cut out for handling anything that leaves the ground, God knows what else.
2003-05-01 01:12 | User Profile
Churban, the world is full of older Soviet aircraft. Only Indians have managed to crash them at the rate of more than 20 planes per year. The record matching and consistent with the rate the Indians get themselves killed on the railroad, on their buses and civilian aircraft. Too bad you can't blame muslims this time.
I bet Iraqi pilots would kick Indians' ass. At least they aren't notorious for crashing and burning like the :dung:-worshippers.
2003-05-01 05:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by madrussian@May 1 2003, 01:12 **Churban, the world is full of older Soviet aircraft. Only Indians have managed to crash them at the rate of more than 20 planes per year. The record matching and consistent with the rate the Indians get themselves killed on the railroad, on their buses and civilian aircraft. Too bad you can't blame muslims this time.
I bet Iraqi pilots would kick Indians' ass. At least they aren't notorious for crashing and burning like the :dung:-worshippers.**
Rasputin, I'm afraid rban will just make some snide remark about the quality of Russian planes, and how they would have done better to buy Israeli ones. (such as their Mirage copy)
2003-05-01 13:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Apr 30 2003, 22:42 Rasputin, I'm afraid rban will just make some snide remark about the quality of Russian planes, and how they would have done better to buy Israeli ones. (such as their Mirage copy)
How about this MiG-21? ;) <img src='http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/mig21_3.jpg[/img]
Russian quality: simple, reliable and rugged. Still, Indians aren't able to fly it. :(
2003-05-01 19:20 | User Profile
Exactly.
The most comical aspect is that all Soviet hardware was not nec. built to be cutting edge technology, but extremely reliable. This was a conscious tradeoff. American hardware is built along "first" generation lines and is consequently less reliable.
The fact that the feces communioniers can crash these planes, chick full of redundant systems, only underscores their incompetency. Crash rates with American built warplanes would be far higher.
The facts are that the Apu air force would be quickly shredded in any confrontation with a comptent military force, regardless.
I would put my money on the Iranians with their old F-4s or of course the Chinese with their equpment against the Indians anyday.
Let's not even broach the subject of the Indian Navy. :naughty:
2003-05-02 02:51 | User Profile
The Apu armed forces would be shredded in a conventional confrontation with the much smaller and poorer but better trained and more professional Paki armed forces. Which is why they haven't attacked Pakistan despite outrageous provocations like the terrorist assult on India's parliment. In the long term it would seem that India could just out spend and out size the pakis into a hopelss situation but the cow worshipers show an unsurpassed ability to screw everthing up.
2003-05-02 02:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by W.R.I.T.O.S@May 1 2003, 19:51 ** the cow worshipers show an unsurpassed ability to screw everthing up. **
Including software engineering :lol:
2003-05-02 03:22 | User Profile
BTW whats with the 666 Hexagram stars on that Mig?
Are there Jueo-Christians in the Rodina as well? :(
2003-05-02 16:05 | User Profile
CMB,
That's a reworked MiG-21bis that's done by IAI (Israel Aircraft Industries) for some smaller third-world countries that still can't afford to field anything better. They upgrade the avionics, radar, etc. (probably with American technology). Repair and refit of old military hardware is quite the cottage industry in Izzy. That's one of the ways they get cash to repay all those "loans" we make them. :rolleyes:
2003-05-03 02:50 | User Profile
:th:
I take it all back Rban.
Your latest "i'm a Hindu, not a doppleganger Yehudi" entry is pure slapstick gold.
BTW, let me just address one of your more overt lies. The "Jews" never beat Iran. As a matter of fact there are no Jews left in Iran, at least none who'll publicly admit to such.
They're all selling jewelry and carpets in LA now. Haman is victorious.
2003-05-03 02:52 | User Profile
**Please do some research ad get your facts straight before posting. I am somewhat of an expert on military tech so this is the wrong subject to challenge me on.
I feel you people are now being trolls and posting just to annoy me rather than to provide any real information. I posted stating 'Hindus are superior', now you post back yelling 'no,no Hindus are not so!'. How childish. **
The people answering rban are just tossing the facts out in the open after rban has finished dusting this site with his lies. Notice the praising of jews. Makes you wonder. Or does it? Go to the link I posted above. If the Indian military pilots are anything like their airline pilots (and we know where the airline pilots come from, c'mon) that's the reason for the crashes. Russian planes are noted for being very durable. That isn't even something that can be argued.
Rban can call all of us names. But if someone fires back, wah wah wah. Crying jag.
What a troll.
2003-05-03 15:36 | User Profile
** India's air combat issues are quite simple. **
Agreed. They don't seem to have pilots smart enough to fly without making unintentional contact with the ground. Quite a pressing issue.
Maybe if the Hindus grovel enough, the Queen of England will let them become a colony again.
2003-05-03 18:03 | User Profile
**rban: Well, everyone knows that Russian military equipment is of awful quality. The problem arises especially when you try to integrate these aircraft with Western doctrine, which BTW India has always done successfully. The number of hours flown and the aggressive 'edge of the envelope' flying which Western and Indian pilots practice as a regular part of their regimen is simply not performed by East bloc pilots and those who are schooled in Russian/Soviet military doctrine
Quite simply, in layman's terms, Russian planes were cheap rugged devices meant to be purchased in large numbers and thrown away quickly after very low usage. They were never designed to last or be used extensively like Western planes. **
Okay, so if this is TRUE -- WHY do your vaunted Indians fly them AS IF they were built for it? Did they miss that briefing?
"We've bought a plane that can't fly this way, WE KNOW IT, but we're going to go fly it the way it shouldn't be flown..."
Sorry rban, that just won't er... "fly." :P :thd:
2003-05-03 18:06 | User Profile
Not long ago, I read a story on an aviation forum that described how one Pakistani fighter pilot shot down 6 Indian planes in 5 minutes, becoming an instant ace.
2003-05-03 20:19 | User Profile
I don't really need to proclaim Hindu supremacy...the evidence is everywhere.
That's right. India is a first-rate nation while Europeans are begging to be let into India because they can't make anything of their own country.
Nope, no Hindus here in Alberta. India is so great, so why would they need to move to a third-world cesspool like Canada?
:unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
Ok, enough with humoring rban. For the non-trolls here, did you know that we had to stop going to the Canadian Superstore because we were so tired of being surrounded by crowds of Hindus in the aisles who don't wear any deodorant? These are the people that rban thinks we should flood ourselves with! We would have to start wearing clothespins on our nose when we go grocery shopping. Of course, rban will probably say we were just jealous of their superior underarm qualities.
2003-05-03 20:58 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ed Toner@May 3 2003, 11:06 Not long ago, I read a story on an aviation forum that described how one Pakistani fighter pilot shot down 6 Indian planes in 5 minutes, becoming an instant ace.
Ed,
I bet you piloting a B747 would win a dogfight over an Indian piloting (or should I say "barely keeping from crashing a burning"?) a fighter :lol:
2003-05-04 00:44 | User Profile
Edana, there are no Hindus in a redneck place like ALberta. Only Toronto & Vancouver (and mostly Sikh in Van, few Hindus). The people you encountered were Muslims. Alberta's climate is too cold, and the whole place is overrun by KKK types. Come to think of it, the whole membership of OD Forum should ship out there. Wide open spaces, Klan administration, and -50 weather all the time....perfect!
rban, you obviously know nothing about Canada or Alberta. I live in one of the biggest cities in this country, and it definately has Hindus... and yes, lotta Muslims too. Nope, I don't confuse them. When one turban is followed by a lady with a scarf completely wrapped around her head, it's Muslims. When another turban is followed by a lady with a sari, it's Hindus.
[url=http://www.calgarymandir.com]LINK[/url]
[url=http://www.cic.gc.ca/ref-protection/english/infocentre/settlement-etablissement/comm-prof/calgary.htm]LINK[/url]
IV. Community Base and Settlement
Main language spoken in Calgary homes: English: 89.8% French: 0.4% Other: 9.8%
Largest minority language groups: Chinese, Vietnamese, Punjabi, Polish,Spanish, Tagalog, Arabic, Italian, German.
Aboriginal population: 15,195 (1.9% of the urban population)
Calgary immigrant population (Total: 170,875): Latin America: 7,570 Caribbean: 4,810 Europe: 70,305 Africa: 9,155 Asia: 66,820 Oceania and Other: 2,825
Visible minorities in Calgary as percentage of total urban population: 15.6%
Largest visible minority groups: Chinese, South Asian, Filipino, Black, SE Asian, Arab/West Asian, Latin American.
Larger religious minorities (Alberta): Eastern Orthodox: 42,700 Muslim: 31,000 Buddhist: 20,700 Sikh: 13,600 Hindu: 10,800 Jewish: 9,900
Whoo... lookie all the purty diversity in KKK land! And yes, I would definately welcome every OD person to my neighborhood. Would be nice to have some sanity along with all the Hindus and Ricers :th:
2003-05-04 01:33 | User Profile
Oh, big friggin deal, Edana...10,000 ? Out of a population of what, a million? That's not diversity, that's tokenism. Now if that number was closer to, say, 100,000, then we could talk.
The population of Calgary is around 860,749, most of it White and Asian. 10,000 spread out wouldn't look like too much, but they don't spread out. They concentrate, and therefore often use the same Superstore - and it doesn't take thousands of people to overpower a Superstore :lol:
2003-05-04 02:58 | User Profile
We've already done a lot of "immersing". That's why we don't go to Superstore any more. Just Safeway - full of nice, quiet, deodorant-wearing White folk who can speak English.
So, even though I'd probably look like a real knock-out in a Sari, I'll have to decline your offer.
2003-05-04 03:01 | User Profile
rban: Av, if you're used to driving a Lamborghini (this is analogous to the European planes the IAF flies....you know, the ones that never crash) and then you get downgraded to a Hyundai (with all due apologies to Koreans), the tendency is to continue driving like a Formula 1 racer. Fighter jocks tend to be a daredevil bunch anyway and surely you can see why they would do this despite cautionary instincts?
rban, hon, not after the first 5 or 6 pilots crashed!! :(
2003-05-04 03:14 | User Profile
Edana,
A partial solution to your olfactory ills when near Indians is to be had by prior determination of whether they are ââ¬Åtraditional.ââ¬Â Their religion places certain demands, including avoidance of shower for certain periods and, in particular, the long, long hair under turbans may not be treated for specified duration. Maintain distance as required from this rabble. The balance may be approachable. Not much, I know, but itââ¬â¢s all I have to offer in this matter.
Also, should you ever reconsider ââ¬Ëthe offer,ââ¬â¢ be sure to discern whether temple administrators have resolved their differences over the presence of tables. This has led to violence elsewhere and tourists have not always escaped unscathed.
2003-05-05 16:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@May 4 2003, 19:20 ** ... not washing hair, and fights over temple seating in Vancouver are all hallmarks of the Sikh faith, NOT Hindus. Sorry, Sisyfos, wrong ethnic group....but oh, I know, we all look alike to you people.
**
"We"? What ethnic group is rban this week?
2003-05-05 23:42 | User Profile
I don't really need to proclaim Hindu supremacy...the evidence is everywhere.
Gee Whiz, You must be right your a Hindu!!!
Lets compare....say Gross National Product....
** **Country GNP Per Capita ** USA $10,533 $38 Japan $4,852 $38 Germany $2,242 $27 Britain $1,544 $26 France $1,543 $26 China $1,329 $1 Italy $1,260 $22 Canada $760 $24 Brazil $715 $4 Spain $651 $16 Mexico $578 $6 South Korea $515 $11 India $510 $0.5 Australia $444 $24 Netherlands $429 $27 Taiwan $363 $16 Argentina $300 $8 Switzerland $286 $39 Sweden $275 $31 Belgium $264 $26 Russia $252 $2 Austria $226 $27 Turkey $212 $3 Poland $188 $5 Indonesia $174 $0.8 Thailand $132 $2
**
Golly RBAN looks like the only people on the planet even close to less useful than the Hindu's are the Muslims in Indonesia who you claim are SOOOO inferior and even they outproduce India. Yeah the evidence is everywhere. :crybaby:
2003-05-05 23:42 | User Profile
note that turban wearing, not washing hair, and fights over temple seating in Vancouver are all hallmarks of the Sikh faith, NOT Hindus. Sorry, Sisyfos, wrong ethnic group....
Excellent! Actually, I can differentiate between the two groups quite well, thank you very much (was able to since junior high where ethnic taunts didnââ¬â¢t always go uncorrected). But I wasnââ¬â¢t sure you could until recently. That avatar you used to lug was rather negligent of you. I mean someone could have noticed.
As you well know, a court jester/part-time India admirer need not take special care about appearances, but a committed Hindu supremacist should be diligent in his choice of attire from the start. For example, a white spiralling garb favoured by enemies and lesser mortals would be a definite faux pas. Do that and people may think the persona was haphazardly selected, with no particular purpose except to be irritating, and not take you seriously. :shock: