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2003-04-22 17:55 | User Profile
I split this off from the original topic, not because it is anything special or the least bit well-written, but mainly because if there is any interest then there are some ideas I would like to throw out to gain some feedback and generate discussion.
Originally posted by Walter Yannis@Apr 22 2003, 10:41 **Amazing that they get away with it, isn't it? **
Yes, it is and I can't lay the blame anywhere else but white males. Quite simply, we deserted our post and abdicated our responsibilities as leaders in American culture, society, government and civic institutions and the family.
We can argue all day long over the nature of the Jew, but the simple truth is that Jews would never have gained so much power if white males didn't give it away. We built this country, yet along the way we've grown weak and lost confidence in ourselves, our culture and traditions. Now one can make the argument that this took place because of constant subversion and hammering away by Jews at the foundation of our established institutions and that is certainly true. But I ask you learned gentlemen when throughout history has the ruling group not been under constant attack from enemies both within and without? To my mind, this is a natural state of affairs for nations and any collective body.
The current crisis is dire and penetrates to the very core of our being. Because of the abdication mentioned above, we white males of our present age find almost every avenue of redress tied down with thousands of laws, both criminal and social, like Gulliver. Yet we must fight, for like many others here I believe that our future existence depends on what we do here and now. The answer will not be found in any one particular approach. Since the crisis goes to the very heart of us, the solution must address every aspect of our being - spiritual, emotional, educational, political and familial.
Fortunately for us, we still have some measure of civil liberties left here in this former Republic, but that too is soon on its way out the door. Therefore, the time is now to organize. Organization is the key, but what type of organization is subject to debate. I believe we must organize along the lines of a Promise Keepers type of group. In other words, an organization that speaks to us in every dimension of our lives, spiritual and material. One without the other just won't get the job done, in my opinion.
I realize that for most here this is nothing new and is simply repeating what many others have said much more eloquently than I. I am not a good writer, but I have other strengths I can offer. And so I offer them, for the time for action has come. For those that have wives, sons and daughters know deep in their hearts why action must begin to take shape. If not us now, then who? What kind of world are we going to leave for our women and children? These are fundamental questions each generation must answer. As white males we have the benefit of a rich heritage and tradition, even though it has faltered in the past few generations or so. The time has come to reclaim that heritage and step-up to the responsibilites God has entrusted to us. If not for ourselves, then for our future progeny.
2003-04-22 19:52 | User Profile
Start with your kids by making sure the naturally trusting nature of whites isn't cultivated. That's something the jews have noticed and exploited. While it was necessary in certain times throughout history, the trusting nature has also been ignored in time of need we could say. Sounds silly, but that is the root of many of our problems. In another thread while answering the troll bitch rban I mention this as well. This has been a large component of our downfall, besides the white elites who have allegiance only to money and status selling us out.
2003-04-22 20:32 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Apr 22 2003, 13:52 ** Start with your kids by making sure the naturally trusting nature of whites isn't cultivated. That's something the jews have noticed and exploited. While it was necessary in certain times throughout history, the trusting nature has also been ignored in time of need we could say. Sounds silly, but that is the root of many of our problems. In another thread while answering the troll bitch rban I mention this as well. This has been a large component of our downfall, besides the white elites who have allegiance only to money and status selling us out. **
Yes, Roger. Our first priority must be our children. Once you have them then everything else should fade away in level of importance.
And good point about the elites. They most certainly failed us and continue to fail us. But in a healthy society or nation, what is the relationship between the elites and the common man? Are the elites in their position via consent of the common-man or merely exploiters? If the elites have violated their end of the deal, what is called for from the common-man?
2003-04-22 21:02 | User Profile
A few more thoughts:
Since we are the one particular group that is singularly targeted, the organization must be white males only. Apologies to those sympathetic persons, male and female, who may want to pitch-in with support, but answers and input have to come from the affected group.
Organization must be at least nominally orthodox Christian. Would a pineapple tree planted in the frozen tundra of Antartica grow and flourish? I don't think so. Likewise, any successful movement or organization must be organic to the native soul. America was founded and built by Christians whose heritage hailed from Europe. This cannot be denied, no matter one's thoughts or feelings on faith or the current state of Christianity. Since this is where we come from and where most men continue to hold some deference to, we must build upon the natural foundation that already exists. Now before the pagans, atheists and agnostics scoff and head for the exits, I don't think religious affiliation needs to be a litmus test. Rather that the un-believers simply defer to the majority for the sake of the organization's success. Tolerance should flow in the other direction, as well.
Surely if Farrakhan and Jackson can organize a Million Black Man March, white males can do the same?
Just throwing out ideas here. I realize it's cheezy, but again I ask, if not us, then who?
2003-04-22 21:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Apr 22 2003, 15:10 ** the racially aware whites are the ones that just feed into mass media stereotypes and scare off more mainstream would-be supporters, while the more mainstream supporters wouldn't show up to begin with. **
I just threw out the Million Man thing as an example. I think any type of national, collective action would be some time down the road after a substantial time of purely local organization.
2003-04-22 21:42 | User Profile
I will address what Tex says about White males letting The Jew take over on our watch.
Yes, it is true that White males allowed The Jew to creep in and attack our soft underbellies -- so to speak. But, in defense of White males, who warned of The Jew? Few people did. White males knew nothing about the twisted nature of The Jew, since too many Christians were going around saying, "Jesus was a Jew."
So, yes, the onus is on us, but since few people told us of the true nature of Jews, the onus is more on White male 'community leaders' who stood watching, or, who joined in, the Hitler-bashing and German/American Bund-bashing from about 1933 onward in America.
Who warned of the Jew, besides Lindbergh and Ford? Certainly not my pastor, or my grandfather's pastor, for that matter. It was the duty of White male 'community leaders' to warn us, and they failed. Badly.
2003-04-22 21:47 | User Profile
Thanks for the reply, Franco. We've diagnosed the problems and I agree with what you say. Since you come from a somewhat different perspective than my own, what are your thoughts on where we can go from here in order to build and not simply tear down? Or maybe you think that we can't even begin to think about building until we tear down?
2003-04-22 22:19 | User Profile
Tex -- Good questions.
I think they whole key to that topic is twofold:
1) White males must lead any movement to restore America and the West, since we built America and the West;
2) Christians and non-Christians can work side-by-side, without tearing down anything, as long as one thing happens: The Jew is PUBLICALLY named, over and over again, day in, day out. Exposed. All children taught about Jews. All teenagers, ditto. Wives and mothers, ditto. Total exposure of all Jews by Whites, and damn the torpedoes. No holding back. All the millions of Whites in the West join together and hammer on the Jew -- names, dates, what the Jew did and when he did it, and why he did it. Daily, just as Bible study is taught, just as multiculturalism is pushed. Endless, 24/7. That is key.
Jews are the SuperPeople. Higher IQs, more cunning, more power, more money. That is the key, and that is what we must HAMMER ON, as Whites. Our "group" must act as a community teacher, showing Joe Sixpack a) what the problem is; and b] why the problem exists -- it helps greatly that Joe know WHY Jews are a problem, and that they are a race.
As soon as that happens, some change will occur. Until then, we are just shadowboxing. Joe Sixpack must be reached with the above info about Jews. We must be the Paul Reveres of today, so to speak.
I don't think we need to tear down anything, just educate-then-purge.
2003-04-22 23:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Apr 22 2003, 16:19 ** The Jew is PUBLICALLY named, over and over again, day in, day out. Exposed. **
That's certainly a step, but I just don't think that goes far enough.
Look at it this way, the white male suffers from a recurring infection. Naming the Jew is like giving him an antibiotic each time the symptom of the infection flares up. What I am talking about is more of a holistic approach, that is trying to address the underlying reason why he has the infection. Building up and strengthening his immune system, if you will.
No doubt that the strident white nationalists/racialists like yourself and Linder possess some dynamics, but tearing down or change in and of itself is not enough for long-term success. That is where I believe paleo-conservatism brings food to the table. It gives us the depth of knowledge and history to grow a successful garden. Maybe some of our intelligent brethren will weigh in here.
My apologies for all the metaphors and similes, by the way.
2003-04-23 00:18 | User Profile
Christians and non-Christians can work side-by-side, without tearing down anything, as long as one thing happens: The Jew is PUBLICALLY named, over and over again, day in, day out. Exposed. All children taught about Jews. All teenagers, ditto. Wives and mothers, ditto. Total exposure of all Jews by Whites, and damn the torpedoes. No holding back. All the millions of Whites in the West join together and hammer on the Jew -- names, dates, what the Jew did and when he did it, and why he did it. Daily, just as Bible study is taught, just as multiculturalism is pushed. Endless, 24/7. That is key.
Good luck; I'm exhausted reading that paragraph.
Jews are the SuperPeople. Higher IQs, more cunning, more power, more money. That is the key, and that is what we must HAMMER ON, as Whites.
Switch a few terms and the above is the verbatim rallying cry of the Black Man in this country. If THAT'S how I intend to 'hammer on', within six months my wife'll leave me for a Jew and my kids will be learning Hebrew while awaiting their conversion. Who'd want to hitch their wagon to a powerless, low-IQ, poverty-stricken non-Super person? How do we restore our civilization if we have to renounce that which makes us white to do it?
We don't. First, we improve the breed....or we go nowhere.
2003-04-23 00:44 | User Profile
Sorry for the typo -- that should read "publicly." Of course.
Tex, Il -- I still say that if Joe Sixpack does not know about the PROBLEM, he can't do anything about it. Twenty bucks says most of the White people in Tucson know NOTHING about Jews or what they have done. Zip.
So how can these Whites fight a problem if they don't know that problem exists???? I could not fight the PROBLEM in 1990 because I did not know about it. See?
Warning Joe Sixpack comes first, I say. Then, after Joe Sixpack knows, he can act.
2003-04-23 01:44 | User Profile
**....if Joe Sixpack does not know about the PROBLEM, he can't do anything about it. **
Yes, Franco, but racial awareness - knowing who's who and what's what - is half the problem. The utter lack of racial identity - that so-very-demonized term signifying a pride and sense of belonging to one's own race - is the bigger half of the problem. It's always easy to whip up rage against the Bad Guy, but white people the world over are in the fix they're in because of an appalling lack of character....we don't know who the hell we are, except that we're coming into this world nowadays determined to atone for our skin color. This has to change, and first, before anything else can (or will).
2003-04-23 01:59 | User Profile
If'n ya want yer kid to be 'racially aware,' jus' make sure the little tyke reads VNN every mornin'. Dat'll fix him right up.... :-D
See, that is why I have an e-list -- to alter the thinking of Joe Sixpack. He can learn racial awareness, if a bit late...
2003-04-23 02:18 | User Profile
We will never turn the tables on the Jew/NWO axis until White Nationalists capture the mass media.
And when the day comes, we should give the Jew exactly what he has given us -- no quarter.
2003-04-23 02:35 | User Profile
That's all true, AY. Others have posted the same info in this forum before. The SD for jews is less than 9 points, while it's 15 points for whites. Much wider range. The 'standout' jews get all the press, of course, and on many occasions simply steal or take credit for white creativity, drowning out critics and the truth with their media control. They are not smart at everything, that's how they constantly end up shooting themselves in their collective cloven hoof.
2003-04-23 02:54 | User Profile
**In any case, not even the negro activists ever go around saying that their status is due to the greater intelligence of "da white man." Rather, however deluded they may be, they think that if it wasn't for "oppression," they, the superior "sun people" whose airplanes flew around the Pyramids of Cheops would take their place as the natural betters. **
I always thought those Nubian Lindbergh whoppers were just blacks - to use their own parlance - frontin'.
I remain convinced that when the tv cameras have gone, and the last white man in the room with them, blacks exhale loudly, let out their bellies, take off their shoes and grouse "we've got to fight da white man cuz we beez to dumb!". In Rochester voices.
2003-04-23 03:47 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Apr 22 2003, 21:02 **- Surely if Farrakhan and Jackson can organize a Million Black Man March, white males can do the same?
Just throwing out ideas here.ÃÂ I realize it's cheezy, but again I ask, if not us, then who?**
This goes back to the original ideas of Bill McCartney and the Promise Keepers, as you note. Course it isn't all whites now, but that's because McCartney made such a big deal about ensuring there was at least some ethnic diversity. (Being all male and homophobe was enough anti-PC for him, I guess).
I guess what I'm not following about you in this regard is what you specifically think you can get uniquely from a Promise Keepers type mentality and orginization, focusing specificaly on the problems of white males in preserving their cultural heritage. Of course there is a male aspect to this problem, as addressed by the PK's, just as there is a family aspect to this problems, as addressed by the Focus on the Family people, Dobson, Bauer, etc. But most of these now neodominated groups have already matured ideologocally and certainly don't need (or want) our input I suspect.
2003-04-23 04:24 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Apr 22 2003, 17:55 **Yes, it is and I can't lay the blame anywhere else but white males. Quite simply, we deserted our post and abdicated our responsibilities as leaders in American culture, society, government and civic institutions and the family.
We can argue all day long over the nature of the Jew, but the simple truth is that Jews would never have gained so much power if white males didn't give it away. We built this country, yet along the way we've grown weak and lost confidence in ourselves, our culture and traditions. Now one can make the argument that this took place because of constant subversion and hammering away by Jews at the foundation of our established institutions and that is certainly true. But I ask you learned gentlemen when throughout history has the ruling group not been under constant attack from enemies both within and without? To my mind, this is a natural state of affairs for nations and any collective body.
**
The tone of this is "why are we in the west so vulnerable to Jewish subversion." MacDonald doesn't find this unusual of course, he targets the weakness as being one intrinsic in the individualism characteristic and definitive of western society.
I really don't see how the state of white males is any different than that of the broader western civilization it is targeted with. If anything of course, white males have been the target of particular subversion by the politically correct. Thus I certainly don't think white males are in any measure particularly to blame over our female counterparts. Afterall, maledom has been particularly targeted by Frankfurt Schoolish/counterculturish cultural subversion.
**Counterculture
The Frankfurt School's original 1930's survey work, including the "authoritarian personality," was based on psychoanalytic categories developed by Erich Fromm. Fromm derived these categories from the theories of J.J. Bachofen, a collaborator of Nietzsche and Richard Wagner, who claimed that human civilization was originally "matriarchal." This primoridial period of "gynocratic democracy" and dominance of the Magna Mater (Great Mother) cult, said Bachofen, was submerged by the development of rational, authoritarian "patriarchism," including monotheistic religion. Later, Fromm utilized this theory to claim that support for the nuclear family was evidence of authoritarian tendencies.
In 1970, forty years after he first proclaimed the importance of Bachofen's theory, the Frankfurt School's Erich Fromm surveyed how far things had developed. He listed seven "social- psychological changes" which indicated the advance of matriarchism over patriarchism:
*The failure of the patriarchal-authoritarian system to fulfill its function," including the prevention of pollution
*Democratic revolutions" which operate on the basis of "manipulated consent"
*The women's revolution"
*Children's and adolescents' revolution," based on the work of Benjamin Spock and others, allowing children new, and more-adequate ways to express rebellion
*The rise of the radical youth movement, which fully embraces Bachofen, in its emphasis on group sex, loose family structure, and unisex clothing and behaviors
*The increasing use of Bachofen by professionals to correct Freud's overly-sexual analysis of the mother-son relationship--this would make Freudianism less threatening and more palatable to the general population
*The vision of the consumer paradise.... In this vision, technique assumes the characteristics of the Great Mother, a technical instead of a natural one, who nurses her children and pacifies them with a never-ceasing lullaby (in the form of radio and television). In the process, man becomes emotionally an infant, feeling secure in the hope that mother's breasts will always supply abundant milk, and that decisions need no longer be made by the individual."
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=1458&hl=the+new+dark+age]The New Dark Age - The Frankfurt School and Political Correctness[/url]**
2003-04-23 06:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Apr 22 2003, 22:24 ** I really don't see how the state of white males is any different than that of the broader western civilization it is targeted with. If anything of course, white males have been the target of particular subversion by the politically correct. Thus I certainly don't think white males are in any measure particularly to blame over our female counterparts. **
Yes we are, because quite simply it is upon us to lead, from the highest political office to the boardroom right down to the nuclear family. I don't think you're suggesting that we should look to our women to light the path of our reclamation!? That would be contrary to nature and Biblical ordinance.
2003-04-23 06:54 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Apr 22 2003, 21:47 I guess what I'm not following about you in this regard is what you specifically think you can get uniquely from a Promise Keepers type mentality and orginization, focusing specificaly on the problems of white males in preserving their cultural heritage. Of course there is a male aspect to this problem, as addressed by the PK's, just as there is a family aspect to this problems, as addressed by the Focus on the Family people, Dobson, Bauer, etc. But most of these now neodominated groups have already matured ideologocally and certainly don't need (or want) our input I suspect.
PK only came to my mind as an example of a movement that made an attempt to address specifically males and educate them on a spiritual and material level. Personally, I have issues with much of the theological content of PK and now Dr. Dobson.
No, I don't think this potential organization would have anything to gain by approaching any existing group with hat in hand, outside of perhaps studying their techniques. The existing organizations all seem to be tainted in some way, shape or form. I would think we would have to start fresh and be completely free to clear a new path not already worn down.
I must admit, however, that coming back to this topic after a few hours of reflection upon my initial inspiration, it seems more than a little wide-eyed, if you know what I mean. I may have gotten a little carried away earlier. :shock: I hope all here will excuse my excesses.
2003-05-01 01:13 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Apr 23 2003, 02:54 ** I must admit, however, that coming back to this topic after a few hours of reflection upon my initial inspiration, it seems more than a little wide-eyed, if you know what I mean. I may have gotten a little carried away earlier. :shock: I hope all here will excuse my excesses. **
I think this is a topic worth revisiting. Responses containing suggestions for organizational structure have ranged from an emulation of Promise Keepers to (my favorite) having little Johnny read Alex Linder's latest rant over his bowl of Fruit Loops.
In another topic on this board, the Southron splinter groups that call for Celtic identification have been rightly called into question. But in the South, at least it seems to me, there is at least some last vestige of ethnic identity- even among these Celtic purists. The possibility that these Southern Celts are being used in some sort of false flag operation is no reason to abandon an authentic search for ethnic identity and racial solidarity.
This is a put up or shut up type of topic, and the fine minds that contribute to this board certainly have much to offer.
2003-05-01 02:01 | User Profile
I think this is a topic worth revisiting. Responses containing suggestions for organizational structure have ranged from an emulation of Promise Keepers to (my favorite) having little Johnny read Alex Linder's latest rant over his bowl of Fruit Loops.
I can actually see Tex doing that! Really!
Tex: "Johnnie, you go read your VNN before school, or no TV tonight!"
Johnnie: "Awww, Dad..."
:D :D :D