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Thread ID: 6131 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2003-04-13
2003-04-13 02:54 | User Profile
The deliberate and illegal as well as immoral devastation of Iraq is without question one of the greatest evils committed by mankind on another country. Whatever one believes in or does not believe is not the question but to destroy such historical places is a thought process which was bred in the most diabolical and abominal of minds.....being jews of course.
2003-04-13 03:17 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Apr 12 2003, 20:54 The deliberate and illegal as well as imoral devastation of Iraq is without question one of the greatest evils committed by mankind on another country.ÃÂ Whatever one believes in or does not believe is not the question but to destroy such historical places is a thought process which was bred in the most diabolcialÃÂ and abominal of minds.....being jews of course.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I, for one, am becoming increasingly ashamed to be an American.
2003-04-13 04:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by kminta@Apr 13 2003, 03:17 ** I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I, for one, am becoming increasingly ashamed to be an American **
This is the New Polarization: The flag-wavers and the terminally disgusted. The scary part is this polarization is lots more noticable than the old "hawks and doves" thing the Fox Network was trying to breathe back to life and it might end up being more dangerous. Then again, it might finally force politics in America to get real already.
2003-04-13 13:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by kminta@Apr 12 2003, 22:17 ** I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I, for one, am becoming increasingly ashamed to be an American **
Kminta, I'm already squarely ashamed at my country. I'm also very ashamed that I blamed Arab hijackers for 9/11.
With everything our country has done since then. With Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfie, Abrams, Woolsey, et al have said and done since, and even before 9/11, makes it all so perfectly crystal clear why the towers came down on that dreadful morning.
9/11. Just another stop on the "map".
Yes, I am ashamed.
2003-04-14 01:12 | User Profile
This monstrous trashing of the priceless ancient treasures of human history proves that the oft-repeated idea that the Muslims have long memories and a "reverence" for the past are nothing but bullsh-t. It's one thing to loot the gaudy palaces of Saddam's lackeys; that's to be expected. But these pig-ignorant camel-humpin' scum have gone way, way beyond that. They deserve to eke out a bare existence among the ruins they themselves have made. To hell with them.
Having said that, none of this obscenity would've happened if the jews hadn't convinced the Chimp to launch this filthy "war". Thanks to them, the world has lost much which can never be replaced.
And that alone is enough to earn them the just, eternal loathing of mankind.
2003-04-14 01:57 | User Profile
**Say what you will about Saddam Hussein, but at the very least he maintained some level of order and civilization in a nation and culture where anything of the sort is hard to come by. Rest assured that the destruction of Sumerian artifacts is just the tip of the iceberg under NWO occupation. **
According to IQ and The Wealth of Nations, Iraqis have an average IQ of a pitiful 87, which is barely smarter than American Blacks. Realistically, a dictator like Saddam is the best a people like that could ever hope for. A high-tech civilization just isn't their bag. What is so outrageous is all this jibberish in the media of "bringing democracy" to Iraq. If I had the money, I would bet anyone ten million dollars and give 1000 to 1 odds that there will be no "democracy" in Iraq. :sm:
2003-04-14 02:17 | User Profile
"Demcoracy", simply a word that is used to distract the fact that even in America we live under a Plutocracy. We do have the illusion of a Democracy however and are given the opportunity to elect one of two pre-selected and kosher approved puppets to be our dictator for four years.
2003-04-14 02:45 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Apr 13 2003, 20:45 So once again, a hearty thanks to Wolfowitz and Perle for robbing the civilized world of its greatest treasures. Perhaps they would feel differently if it was a "holocaust" museum that was looted and destroyed.
Fear not AY, the Jews in Iraq are safely collecting their rent checks:
[url=http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-04/12/article12.shtml]islamonline Article[/url]
According to the article currently only 50 Jews live in Iraq, but oh how that is about to change.
2003-04-14 03:46 | User Profile
All too true!
On a related note
Iraqi National Museum Destoyed! [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=7285]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=ST&f=5&t=7285[/url]
2003-04-14 22:14 | User Profile
According to IQ and The Wealth of Nations, Iraqis have an average IQ of a pitiful 87
And ââ¬Åthat sh*tty little countryââ¬Â has an average IQ of a mediocre 94. But they now rule the
US and, by extension, the world. Howââ¬â¢d these dolts pull off that stunning coup?
Itââ¬â¢s a real brainteaser. :unsure:
2003-04-15 04:02 | User Profile
I will also add that what Hussein accomplished in his nation is quite remarkable given the human resources he had to work with. Until being crippled by Gulf War I and finished off by Gulf War II, Iraq had one of the strongest middle classes of any Arab nation (in other Arab countries, you're either a sheik or you live in gutter poverty) and a fairly modern infrastructure.
Right. While Saddam would certainly destroy anyone he suspected might be a threat, he gave millions of moronic rags a far better life than they would've had without his iron-fisted rule.
He was set up by the zhids from the very beginning. Victor Ostrovsky said that after conning the U.S. into striking Libya, his Mossad boss boasted that they were going to get the Americans to target Iraq next. Sure enough, that's exactly what happened.
2003-04-15 04:11 | User Profile
Originally posted by seq@Apr 14 2003, 22:14 ** > According to IQ and The Wealth of Nations, Iraqis have an average IQ of a pitiful 87
And ââ¬Åthat sh*tty little countryââ¬Â has an average IQ of a mediocre 94. But they now rule the
US and, by extension, the world. Howââ¬â¢d these dolts pull off that stunning coup?
Itââ¬â¢s a real brainteaser. :unsure: **
The 115 IQ zhids are over here, sucking the lifeblood of our nation for the benefit of their dim-witted, dozer-operating tribesmen over there.
2003-04-15 04:33 | User Profile
I must disagree with my friend Nathan Bedford. When bombs are falling, there's no power or running water, and chaos is being encouraged by invading armies there ARE no holies or sacrosancts. I'm sure Iraqis thought they'd just ducked the End Of The World during Desert Storm; well, now, the End Of The World is here for real. Their world, anyway.
The only way to prove we'd behave any better is to observe how Americans react during an unrelenting bombardment, invasion & occupation by a force we're powerless to stop, let alone defeat. Since that's never happened, thank goodness, and is unlikely to, it's easy to judge from a Barcalounger - too easy.
I'll say this much: we don't have the slightest idea what is going on there. It must now be accepted as a given that American media is simply, transparently lying to us, with their cheering throngs of thumbs-up liberatees yanking down every statue still standing in exchange for doggie-treats thrown at them from CNN camera crews. (Reconnoisance photos,and REAL reporting, published in the European press have pretty much exploded that malarkey as a photo-op choreographed by the Pentagon and staffed with the rank-and-file of the puppet regime being groomed.)
So who is to say, if there's massive looting, WHO is doing it? I note a lot of sidebar stories of armed families protecting their property in round-the-clock shifts, too. But even if it's all happening exactly as Sean Hannity describes it, I want more info on the damage wreaked prior to the looting: accurate civilian death tolls, accurate reflections of available basic services, an accurate picture of the chaos ensuing. They matter. If you're a relative or neighbor of, say, that Ali kid who lost his house, his parents & siblings, and both his arms to a rocket attack, what do you believe in? "Reconstruction"? "Democratic institutions"? "Dr Phil"? Me, I'd believe in anything solid and heavy that I could lift, to smash things with.
And anyway, we're supposedly doing all this to bring American-style "democracy" and "freedom" to Iraq. [u]Mission accomplished[/u]; now they have cadres of ungovernable dark-skinned predators who strike in wolfpacks a few moments after the power goes out - just like us!!
2003-04-15 04:44 | User Profile
Speak of the devil....here's the Civilization we're bringing to Iraq, encapsulated in a single image & caption.
[img]http://i.timeinc.net/time/daily/2003/0304/uday0412.jpg[/img] Infantrywoman Felicia Harris poses for a picture on the four poster bed at the palace of Uday Hussein
[u][SIZE=3][color=purple]Inside the Secret World[/color][/SIZE][/u] Snapshots and papers found in a lavish, looted safe house paint a vivid picture of Saddam's unhappy eldest son Uday By SIMON ROBINSON in BAGHDAD
Sunday, Apr. 13, 2003
It's not easy being the freeloading, oversexed, overlooked scion of an Iraqi dictator. Consider Uday Hussein, 39, who in 1990 wrote to an uncle, "It is difficult being in the family of Hussein. People want to kill us." That quite possibly includes the people who looted his lavish three-story riverside home down to its marble walls. The looters took everything they could, including fuses from the fuse boxes. But they left documents that, as I learned during a walk-through of the building late last week, paint a colorful portrait of the unhappy eldest son of Saddam, who hasn't been seen since reportedly entering the restaurant obliterated by U.S. bombs in the al-Mansur neighborhood.
The palace, in the tony Baghdad suburb of Karada, was not Uday's main residence but rather a safe house in which Uday could hide out, as well as, according to a neighbor, a "love nest" to which he would bring his many girlfriends. Snapshots found in the remains of a darkroom show him fishing with friends, riding a motorbike in a black leather jacket, posing with pet lions and hanging out in shorts and a cowboy hat.
Many of the writings Uday left behind are mundane, like a few cards from his handwritten video-collection catalog. The Ls include License to Kill (two copies), Like Father Like Son and Loose Cannons. But some are significant. An official letter signed by Uday and countersigned by seven witnesses, for example, says that well-known opposition Shi'ite leader Thafer Mohammed Jaber was captured on Sept. 3, 1995, and was being kept in one of Saddam's palaces. Jaber, say local Iraqis, has not been heard from since. In a 1990 letter, Uday reveals that his father plans to create a greater Iraq that includes Kuwait, Palestine and Arabstan, a region of Iran historically controlled by Baghdad. The note says Saddam is beginning with the easiestââ¬âKuwait. And then there is Uday's university transcript from 1988, the year he was awarded a degree in civil engineering. "He ranked 1st in a class of 174 students," the transcript reads before detailing his grades: excellent in every subject, except Physical Training and First Aid, in which he was satisfactory, the highest grades offered for such courses.
Although shot in an ambush in 1996, an attack that left him walking with a cane, Uday loved fast cars and faster living. In 1989, documents show, he bought a red Lamborghini Countach from a Kuwaiti dealer and sent a letter asking about a Ferrari that turned up in Jordan. "Is it still there?" he wanted to know. Neighbors say looters carried away bottles of Scotch and wine, but they left receipts from Uday's 1989 New Year's party, which seem to confirm he liked a tipple. The revelers downed 12 bottles of gin and 11 cases of beer, plus vodka, champagne and Pepsi.
Uday's expensive tastes weren't confined to cars and booze. A 1980 certificate from a Swiss dealer indicates that Uday owned a solid-gold watch with "54 full-cut fine diamonds." Money apparently wasn't a problem: the charred corners of $100 and $50 bills litter the house. "He used to light cigars with them," says a neighbor. That wealth and power made Uday quite a catch, judging from the love letters he kept from multiple girlfriends, one replete with a lipstick kiss. "Remember me when you listen to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, which I heard for the first time with you," reads one.
"Whenever anyone asks me about the best days in my life I will tell them it was eight months with the best human in the world." TIME also found instructions for a "Health Diagnostics HIV Test."
There is no evidence of what Uday was doing during his final days in the palace, although a translation of a speech by President Bush on U.N. Resolution 1441 was found near a cracked safe. There was also a stack of printed e-mails in English and Arabic addressed to udaysaddamhussein@yahoo. com from Iraqis living abroad, promising to return to fightââ¬âas one correspondent wrote on March 5ââ¬â"the force that seeks to destroy our country."
It was another force, his relationship with his father, that troubled Uday. Saddam picked his younger, less hotheaded son Qusay to succeed him. "My father wants to go down in history," writes Uday. "There is nothing in my heart towards my father, not any love or kindness. In the end I ask God to keep this house safe." In the end, his prayers were not answered.
From the Apr. 21, 2003 issue of TIME magazine
2003-04-15 05:14 | User Profile
Originally posted by Javelin@Apr 14 2003, 01:57 ** > **Say what you will about Saddam Hussein, but at the very least he maintained some level of order and civilization in a nation and culture where anything of the sort is hard to come by. Rest assured that the destruction of Sumerian artifacts is just the tip of the iceberg under NWO occupation. **
According to IQ and The Wealth of Nations, Iraqis have an average IQ of a pitiful 87, which is barely smarter than American Blacks. Realistically, a dictator like Saddam is the best a people like that could ever hope for. A high-tech civilization just isn't their bag. What is so outrageous is all this jibberish in the media of "bringing democracy" to Iraq. If I had the money, I would bet anyone ten million dollars and give 1000 to 1 odds that there will be no "democracy" in Iraq. :sm: **
It's important to keep in mind that there is no such thing as an "Iraqi." The political entity we refer to as as "Iraq" is an artificial grouping of various religious and ethnic groups.
The Arabs, the majority ethnic group, are of course of mixed race - bringing in lots of African genes in the invasions of the 7th century. The Arabs themselves are divided between Sunni and Shiite Islam, with the minority Sunnis ruling the Shiite majority under Saddam. But even within those two groups the Arabs are a collection of warring clans.
The Turkomens are Turks, the decendants of Asian horsemen that invaded and laid Baghdad to waste circa 1270 under the Mongols of Ghengis Khan.
The Kurds are the oldest group there. Kurdish is an Indo-European (Aryan) language and the Kurds are certainly whiter than the rest of them. One sees lots of European-looking faces among the Kurds.
So, it would be interesting to see the mean IQ figures for each of these groups. I'll bet that the negroid Arabs bring down the averages of both the Kurds and the Turkomens.
As an aside, I watched a very interesting program on Iraq last night on Russian Channel 2 (via satellite). It was an expose on Saddam's life, and it interviewed KGB agents and Soviet diplomats on their recollections of Saddam. Vladimir Zhirinovsky, interestingly, was very much involved in all of that. Anyway, this program suggested that Saddam was the illegitimate son of a Jewish tradesmen. Saddam's mother was married to a poor postal clerk, and when he died while she was pregnant with Saddam she went to live with this Jewish fellow. I don't know if it's true, but wouldn't that be interesting? There always seems to be some sort of connection, doesn't there? Lenin. Some say Stalin was also the illegitimate son of a Georgian Jew. And Hitler himself, at least as rumor would have it.
Walter
2003-04-15 10:13 | User Profile
WALTER.........when you consider that the Jews claim to be the "Chosen" and of course they wrote the bullshit bible, it is only natural that they claim some ownership on any well know figure. Bottom line is that jews are so f*cking envious of anyone who rises to the top who is not jewish, they have to either claim him or destroy him.....sometimes both.
2003-04-15 16:32 | User Profile
Most of the great museums in the U.S. are in large, mud-infested cities. Imagine how long they would last if power were cut off and the police vanished.
When we discuss the low IQ Iraquis, let's also consider the white morons who actually enjoyed the destruction of the Iraq museums. It is obvious that many of our racial kin were having a high ole' time.
2003-04-16 02:41 | User Profile
As an aside, I watched a very interesting program on Iraq last night on Russian Channel 2 (via satellite). It was an expose on Saddam's life, and it interviewed KGB agents and Soviet diplomats on their recollections of Saddam. Vladimir Zhirinovsky, interestingly, was very much involved in all of that. Anyway, this program suggested that Saddam was the illegitimate son of a Jewish tradesmen. Saddam's mother was married to a poor postal clerk, and when he died while she was pregnant with Saddam she went to live with this Jewish fellow. I don't know if it's true, but wouldn't that be interesting? There always seems to be some sort of connection, doesn't there? Lenin. Some say Stalin was also the illegitimate son of a Georgian Jew. And Hitler himself, at least as rumor would have it.
Caveat: This item is from a pro-Israel site, but it does add fuel to the Russian programââ¬â¢s suggestion that Saddam was the illegitimate son of an Iraqi Jew.
SADDAM WAS SAVED FROM BEING ABORTED BY PRO-LIFE JEWS
An Iraqi Jewish family took in Saddam Hussein's mother in 1937 and talked her out of an abortion, according to Israel's leading expert on Iraq and the large traditional Jewish community that once prospered there.
"The story is true," says Amatzia Baram. "I've pretty much confirmed all of the details, but the family doesn't like to talk about it. There was this fear that people would blame the Jews for Saddam. The family, originally from Tikrit, Hussein's birthplace, lives in Or Yehuda, home to a large community of Iraqi exiles in Israel," says Baram. The family befriended Hussein's mother while she was pregnant with the future dictator. One of only two Jewish families in Tikrit at the time, they took in the woman and persuaded her not to abort, reports South Florida's Sun-Sentinel.
"After it became public, the family got this angry response from some people saying they should have done something," said Baram. "But it was ridiculous. We weren't talking about killing a dictator but a fetus." . . .
[url=http://www.foryourglory.org/sjr/sjr0304.htm]http://www.foryourglory.org/sjr/sjr0304.htm[/url]
2003-04-16 05:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Apr 15 2003, 10:13 ** WALTER.........when you consider that the Jews claim to be the "Chosen" and of course they wrote the bullshit bible, it is only natural that they claim some ownership on any well know figure. Bottom line is that jews are so f*cking envious of anyone who rises to the top who is not jewish, they have to either claim him or destroy him.....sometimes both. **
This report was on NTV - Russian Channel 2, formerly of Jewish Oligarch Gusinsky's media empire that was expropriated by Russian-dominated Gazprom upon Gusinsky's exile by Vladimir Putin. Putin installed Boris Jordan, the scoin of aristocratic gentile White Russian emigres, to head NTC in what can only be read as a symbolic gesture. Sort of spiking the football after a touchdown. BTW, Putin installed a Russian of German ancestry, Alexei Miller, as head of Gazprom. There was an ethnic purge after Putin tood office that our Kosher media naturally ignored.
Anyhoo, that's why I can't just dismiss the story. Of course, maybe in view of the above it's a subtle anti-Semitic barb.
Walter
2003-04-16 05:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by seq@Apr 16 2003, 02:41 ** Caveat: This item is from a pro-Israel site, but it does add fuel to the Russian programââ¬â¢s suggestion that Saddam was the illegitimate son of an Iraqi Jew.
SADDAM WAS SAVED FROM BEING ABORTED BY PRO-LIFE JEWS
An Iraqi Jewish family took in Saddam Hussein's mother in 1937 and talked her out of an abortion, according to Israel's leading expert on Iraq and the large traditional Jewish community that once prospered there.
"The story is true," says Amatzia Baram. "I've pretty much confirmed all of the details, but the family doesn't like to talk about it. **
Great find, thanks for posting this.
See my previous comment.
NTV I suspect has an anti-Semitic animus, and so it's really fascinating to see two opposite but equally biased takes on the story.
JPR
2003-04-16 06:05 | User Profile
Let's face it: all questions of IQ, genes, and race aside, this is what happens when the Mob is allowed to run berserk. I know this will sound like a shocking admission from an avowed racist, but...do White people act any better in similar circumstances? Just thnk of what the Mob did in the French and Russian revolutions. Or on a less grandiose scale, even in the American revolution, when Patriots got a hold of Tories, it was often not a pretty sight, which is why most Tories fled to Canada. A lot of Candian anti-American feeling stems from that heritage. For that matter, look how Americans, White ones not just nogs, behave when their favorite mudball team loses a big game, or even sometimes even when the team wins! Riots over sports...the definition of either insanity or stupidity. (And add to that the infamous soccer hooliganism of Europeans, especially the Brits.) Also, I agree with il ragno, I don't think we can say for sure who's doing the looting. Those looters can well all be paid provacatuers for the US, the Jews, or the Iraqi opposition groups who are now juggling for power. Just the sort of excuse needed to occupy Iraq indefinately, and make some serious $$$ on the antiquities black market as well, eh?