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Thread ID: 6086 | Posts: 8 | Started: 2003-04-10
2003-04-10 14:28 | User Profile
The Apology In Context: Fifty Years of Catholic-Jewish Kulturkampf by E. Michael Jones
Interesting article from someone who's not afraid to name names. I heard him on William Borst's radio show yesterday and he said his sources in DC tell him that Dubya's getting ready to assert his manhood and push Wolfowitz and some of the other neocons out of his administration. We'll see.
[url=http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/2000/May/apology.html]http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/200...ay/apology.html[/url]
2003-04-10 20:41 | User Profile
Brilliant article. Beautifully written, and makes many important points. :rock:
2003-04-10 23:51 | User Profile
When it comes to culture wars, this is the enemy.
This is the Catho-side, wirse than the Jew side of teh Cath-)-Jew complex.
For a member of one dying religious cult (Cathlic) to bring in the members of another dying religiousf breed -- both of them reproducing through blood, ignorance, intimidation -- to come in here at this ddate, aafter the 60's, the second Enlightnment...
When neither was entitled to hold property or vote when this, their host country was founded, but allowed its good nature and liberal principoes to be taken advantage of to let them ever get a foothold...Philadelphia being one of the strongholds of this limp goodd-hearted accomodation of ravagers...
Calling us the WASP "ruling class" -- Marxist term, actually -- implying a class concept not widely used south of the border where the Conquistadors of Spain, and the Roman Catholic religion, basically proved to Montezuma what they are made of, once foor al, now wanting to escape his revenge by invading el Norte ...until the Texicans kicked them in the Rio Grande, speaking in the broader course. Then that fine Indian-Mexican gentleman fron San Antonia helped break up the Souther Know Nothings voting to let them in, again in goodwill. But he was a man of the soil, and didn't know how they try to take over. Same thing happened with the Cajuns in New Orleans.
The WASP ruling class, establishment -- if that's the good Monseignor's way of saying it -- was, and is, America.. Its not a mammonization effected by sexually degenerate Protestants and Jews, leaving it to the forskin enthusiants to outbreed the rest and take over by King Numbers. No. That is not the way it is, was, or will be. so help me God. Not one damn dime, not one drop of blood, not one crucifix in any public place. Not one..
By the way -- before you any of womb-life ideologists start thinking you'll be peering down your anthrax pellet gun at some more abortion doctors, you better take stock, outside thiose clinics, because I heard therwe were some hard-coire ex Republican Nation Gard types who knocked up their girlfriends and intend to occupy places on tops of roofs so they aren't harassed when they excercize their rights to get an abortion.
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2003-04-11 02:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by wombatnine@Apr 10 2003, 17:51 ** When it comes to culture wars, this is the enemy.
ÃÂ ÃÂ This is the Catho-side, wirse than the Jew side of teh Cath-)-Jew complex.ÃÂ **
Pah. Half of Europe is Catholic. So is Buchanan, and so is Professor Macdonald, or I am very mistaken.
If you consider us "worse than Jews", why should we give you a helping hand, then? :angry:
If, in your Utopia, the only God allowed to worship is Odin, thanks, but no, thanks. If I wanted to worship a pagan cult, Iôd turn to Jahveh. Scientology does also look good. :rolleyes:
That said, no one is talking about bashing Protestants. And that ÃÂsnôt the point of the article, either. There are articles on that site that are very critical of contemporary Catholics as well. That the US leading caste a) is Protestant, b ) sold their people out I thought is agreed. To consider that a bashing of the Protestant confession as such is very imaginative. :rolleyes: Or I donôt understand your post.
2003-04-11 11:36 | User Profile
**I heard therwe were some hard-coire ex Republican Nation Gard types **
Talk about making something out of nothing. "Hard core" and "nation Gard types"(sic) mixes as well as "hard core" and muppets.
We just heard from Dr Jeckyl and Mr Wombat.
Mr Wombat, out on a spree, huh? Bah bah bah.
Hey, stop worrying about the 65 million Catholics here. There aren't 10000 of them who can tell you what the Immaculate Conception refers to. They are totally secularized and lost their faith, if they ever had any, right around the time they started shaving. The secular flood tide that has been running for the last 40 years swept all vestiges of Catholicism and mainline Christianity away. The only things that remain are little islands of wacko fundamentalism that are tolerated because they are useful to their sworn enemies.
You need to keep your eye on the ball, Mr Wombat.
You are seeing double and swinging at the imaginary one.
2003-04-11 13:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by eric von zipper@Apr 11 2003, 11:36 ** > **I heard therwe were some hard-coire ex Republican Nation Gard types **
Talk about making something out of nothing. "Hard core" and "nation Gard types"(sic) mixes as well as "hard core" and muppets.
We just heard from Dr Jeckyl and Mr Wombat.
Mr Wombat, out on a spree, huh? Bah bah bah.
Hey, stop worrying about the 65 million Catholics here. There aren't 10000 of them who can tell you what the Immaculate Conception refers to. They are totally secularized and lost their faith, if they ever had any, right around the time they started shaving. The secular flood tide that has been running for the last 40 years swept all vestiges of Catholicism and mainline Christianity away. The only things that remain are little islands of wacko fundamentalism that are tolerated because they are useful to their sworn enemies.
You need to keep your eye on the ball, Mr Wombat.
You are seeing double and swinging at the imaginary one. **
Alas, you are correct.
A bomb went off in the Church after Vatican II. We've not really even begun to understand the damage done.
Walter
2003-04-12 04:26 | User Profile
**Or I donôt understand your post. **
Ditto.
Management, please provide wombatspeak translations.
2003-04-13 13:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Apr 12 2003, 13:50 ** wombatnine: This is the Catho-side, wirse than the Jew side of teh Cath-)-Jew complex.
Yeah, we all know what you mean, those nasty Catholics. Joseph Sobran, Pat Buchanan, Joseph McCarthy, Father Coughlin, Francisco Franco, Augusto Pinochet, and Oliveiro Salazar are/were so much worse for the world than Richard Perle, Alan Dershowitz, Michael Eisner, Sumner Redstone, Theodore Adorno, Lazar Kaganovich, and Leon Trotsky. **
It hurts more because I want to respect what has survived more: it is more part of us, what we are, therefore it is harder to go against it. Call it self-hate, if you want -- Scorse's Bill the Butcher gouged out his own left eye for looking away; he knows how it hurts to fight against yourself. It is not settled animus. I said the same things on campus regarding charges of being sexist (had to answer to charges by lesbians that I suppressed their right to speak (I'm not making this up -- I was speaking about male homosexuality, and this one interrupts me to start talking about sex as a construction, but I did not let her finish...she cried and walked out and comlained tot he dean...I was supposed to be liberal, and in fact was, but I ran the class room, and told that to the committee the dean assigned to look into the case....
then I was called racist by a black graduate student in philosophy for defending Ward Connerly. When I asked him why he called me that, he said "its written right across your forehead", and took his finger as close as could be done, in front of a public elevator, without causing a scene; but I found him later...anyway..
...and who could forget the chill in the Gay Lib discussion room duriing Clinton's first term, when the right-wing sandbagged him with who gets to do what in the military, when I spoke of standing in a row in uniform on military parade, soldiers breathing what they are living and dying for on a conscious level; pointing out that this was anti-homosexual in existential content ... and learning, to my astonishment, that the military is actually viewed as an equal opposrtunity employer, not a fighting force ...
....and there was the charges of anti-Semitism, for my loud protest of a fake Krystalnacht swastika / nazi graffiti incident on campus in'88, leading to Albany meetings between union reps and State Ed people ("hope we don't see you back again", the shiny looking fellow said as we left.).. already post about
Meanwhile, I was basically just having fun (still possible then, though less bemused). Behind the scenes, it turned out 60 faculty members signed a petition calling for my removal, forwarded to President Clifford Clark, but nobody every said a single thing to me up front, becaue I had 35 years of being right on every issue to hold over their heads.
Roman Catholicism never came on, came near, nor entered idrectly into that political matrix. I knew of Buckley's background, of course, but not that of those at the National Review, which I never counted as American. I was the kind of "conservative" that could spring up if the nation were Ecuamndarooni, or whereever. I only learned to appreciate the acuity of Brimelow, Sobran, others, recently. Buchanan stepped out and went American.
The bone-chill was the Robert Phillip Hanssen case. I never believed the lurid details that came out about his psychology; viewed it as terrible cover-up his family had to endure to work out a narrative that would hurt the fewest people. Since Plato Chicheris, who had represented Monica Lewinsky -- and could have got her off and blown the entire case if he had defended her rights-- was his lawyer, and got his connectio with the super-right-wing shadow organization Opus Dei suppressed in the legal settlement, it leaves questions of his possible role as a triple-agent for the Vatican. Thing is: who would really care? With Moscow and Washington playing footsie, hands-across the continent religious outreach being made, who is going to object? Nevermind that Bush has been persuaded by somebody to "faith base" what Republican's mean by "compassion; announced 3,000,000 illegal Hispanics should get citizenship; Catholics were a prime target wing-vote for '04 --edging politics into religion, as well as vice versa, since this is a span from Cuomo to Patak, and raises use of the abortion issue in politics to get Republican votes off women's anatomy; school vouchers are proposed to bleed public school to support private ideas (however worthy; certainly not prohibited);
...then thre was the shoot down and straffing of Baptist Missionary Ronnie Bowers plane in Peru -- they are the "liberals" down there; it was CIA -asset connected, but the corrupt Montisinos, who must have had contacts with both US counter-intelligence and Rupert Murdoch's media empire (among others) controlled the Air Force, linked to the ruling elite (a very special, if tiny military unit). Further, next year in Behawalpur, Pakistan, 18 Protestants were slaughtered in a Catholic Church, at a time the usual congregation would have been there except for coincidental timing arrangements. I coined a phrase at the time: "Protestants take the fall, Catholics and Jews get the call", because that was how it was beginning to seem, domestic politics-wise. Then, post 9/11 war-talk featured use of "Christian", linked with Judeo, and "Western civilization", pushed at an Arab world that would identify that most with Rome, Istanbul, or other historically antagonistic places. Coopting our karma, one might say. That made it a matter defending a linguistic homeland here, for spiritual reasons, on metaphysical grounds. Not everything that occus in history is "historically contingent", as if there were an overriding "eternal" thing that was true on earth, every day ad inf., and only the details vary. History creates truth. This country's did. But it takes a historical trinitarian view of "God", as revealed in the Second person (the Son) to see that, I think -- clearly. Catholics, in my view, must be born again by the American spirit, if they are to participate in politics, which is an entirely different thing than religion, as the US constitution points out in its first amendment required by the states, in order to sign. Legislation must be passed to the effect that all elective office holders must sign a "No Higher Authority Is Recognized By Me Than That On which I swear" -- referring to the U.S. constitution. None presently exists. Whose God does Scalia worship, for instance? If the Pope told him to fire Bush, could he refuse?
It is asking too much of America in every way to deal with injection of religion into politics, except ion a pro forma basis in recognition of original intent, strictly interpeted by those whose philosophical, intellectual, and theological understandings of the document permit its proper translation into contemporary affairs.
signed: Your Founding Fathers
ps Mueller saying "suicide bombs" were "inevitable", just when Saron was going to visit last summer. They weren't, aren't. He is too willing to extend enforcement of our law for special protection against threats to which we would not otherwiise be exposed.