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Thread ID: 6074 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2003-04-10
2003-04-10 00:42 | User Profile
Watching FOXNews coverage of Baghdad's fall this morning (on purpose - I wanted the foulest possible taste to linger in my mouth; one I wouldn't easily forget), I almost chuckled at how unfailingly the "reporters" referred to The Republic Of Fear (apparently it's now the official neocon designation for Iraq- one perfectly appropriate for 'unbiased reporting' as well as opinion pieces). I guess nobody at NewsCorp has ever been DWI'ed, or had to endure an IRS audit before, or they'd know first-hand from state-engineered 'terror'.
Then I read the following and realized, with a sickening thud like a trap-door springing open, that this is only the beginning. Our multinational power Jews, overjoyed with the bovine suggestibility of the cathode-ray-poisoned American herd, will be coining many more similar phrases like "Republic Of Fear" as we take this war wider and wider and wider.
The Eternal Patriot Act we're now faced with proves one thing, though.....Team Shmuel sure ain't above copping Saddam's licks where it suits their fell purpose. Thanks to the Orwellian New World our betters are busy building for us, by the time the American people are fully roused to fury (if it ever happens....if there even is such a thing as "the American people" anymore, anyway), we'll be as defanged a non-factor as a dozen pissed-off Kurds living in a cave are to Iraqi politics. Wonder how Sean Hannity & Ann Coulter will characterize our rounding up and gassing..... "Operation Spring Cleaning", no doubt.
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LIBERTY AND SECURITY Republicans Want Terror Law Made Permanent By ERIC LICHTBLAU
WASHINGTON, April 8 ââ¬â Working with the Bush administration, Congressional Republicans are maneuvering to make permanent the sweeping antiterrorism powers granted to federal law enforcement agents after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, officials said today.
The move is likely to touch off strong objections from many Democrats and even some Republicans in Congress who believe that the Patriot Act, as the legislation that grew out of the attacks is known, has already given the government too much power to spy on Americans.
The landmark legislation expanded the government's power to use eavesdropping, surveillance, access to financial and computer records and other tools to track terrorist suspects.
When it passed in October 2001, moderates and civil libertarians in Congress agreed to support it only by making many critical provisions temporary. Those provisions will expire, or "sunset," at the end of 2005 unless Congress re-authorizes them.
But Republicans in the Senate in recent days have discussed a proposal, written by Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, that would repeal the sunset provisions and make the law's new powers permanent, officials said. Republicans may seek to move on the proposal this week by trying to attaching it to another antiterrorism bill that would make it easier for the government to use secret surveillance warrants against "lone wolf" terrorism suspects.
Many Democrats have grown increasingly frustrated by what they see as a lack of information from the Justice Department on how its agents are using their newfound powers, and they say they need more time to determine whether agents are abusing those powers.
The Senate Democratic leader, Tom Daschle of South Dakota, said today that without extensive review, he "would be very strongly opposed to any repeal" of the 2005 time limit. He predicted that Republicans lacked the votes to repeal the limits.
Indeed, Congressional officials and political observers said the debate might force lawmakers to take stock of how far they were willing to sacrifice civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism.
Beryl Howell, a former Democratic aide in the Senate who worked extensively on the 2001 legislation, said that by forcing the issue, Mr. Hatch "is throwing down the gauntlet to people who think the U.S.A. Patriot Act went too far and who want to cut back its powers."
Justice Department officials in interviews today credited the Patriot Act with allowing the F.B.I. to move with greater speed and flexibility to disrupt terrorist operations before they occur, and they say they wanted to see the 2005 time limit on the legislation lifted.
"The Patriot Act has been an extremely useful tool, a demonstrated success, and we don't want that to expire on us," a senior department official said on condition of anonymity.
Another senior official who also demanded anonymity said the department had held discussions with Congressional Republicans about how that might best be accomplished. "Our involvement has really been just keeping an open ear to the issue as it's proceeding, not to really guide the debate," the official said.
With the act's provisions not set to expire for more than two and a half years, officials expected that the debate over its future would be many months away. But political jockeying over separate bipartisan legislation sponsored by Senators Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona, and Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, appears to have given Senator Hatch the chance to move on the issue much earlier than expected.
The Kyl-Schumer measure would eliminate the need for federal agents seeking secret surveillance warrants to show that a suspect is affiliated with a foreign power or agent, like a terrorist group.
Advocates say the measure would make it easier for agents to go after "lone wolf" terrorists who are not connected to a foreign group and might have allowed the F.B.I. to get a warrant against Zacarias Moussaoui, known as the 20th hijacker, before the Sept. 11 attacks.
The proposal was approved unanimously by the Senate Judiciary Committee. But Republicans are upset because several Democrats say that when the measure reaches the Senate floor for a full vote, perhaps this week or later in the month, they plan to offer amendments that would impose tougher restrictions on the use of secret warrants.
Among other proposals, Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, wants to add amendments that would require the Justice Department to give detailed information about how the secret warrants are being used and that could give defense lawyers access to some information generated by the warrants in criminal cases.
Republicans are countering with amendments of their own, including the idea of making the Patriot Act permanent.
Aides to Senator Hatch would not discuss his views on repealing the time limits in the law.
But an aide who demanded anonymity said of the "lone wolf" bill: "We support this bill as it is and that's how we want to see it passed. If the Democrats want to amend the bill, then we will offer an equal number of amendments to improve the bill as well. We hope the Democrats will stop holding this bill up."
Members of the Judiciary Committee, which Mr. Hatch leads, have been working in recent days to reach an agreement over the amendments that will be considered, officials said. But so far neither side appears willing to back down.
2003-04-10 03:14 | User Profile
What the events of the past few weeks prove if anymore proof is needed that neither morality or common sense will restrain ZOG-USA. Military defeat is coming to the USA ,either through China , nuclear armed moslems ,or perhaps through the emerging "northern alliance" of France ,Germany and Russia.
Only a military defeat will bring about the right conditions for a nationalist revolution. Race riots won't do it whites will just move away , neither will an economic depression ZOG's media will be able to spin the blame on the rich ,the GOP or whoever else is handy.
As long as ZOG rules over the "world's strongest country" nothing will change ZOG needs to be humbled by a foreign power before it can be toppled by nationalists. Losing a war is the only thing that can short circuit the brainwashing most sheeple have been subjected to.
Most Jews will start taking one way flights to Tel Aviv following an American defeat. The USA will be of no more use to them and they know deep down what kind of backlash will be heading their way.
Millions of Americans will be dead and probably tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of foreigners as well but we will be able to pick up the pieces and rebuild our wounded nation .
2003-04-11 22:55 | User Profile
Yeah JC, I think you're right on all points - except maybe regarding a depression. A true, total economic collapse could help things tilt, get the ball really rolling down the hill toward's hymie's hut. A massive collapse would leave everyone wallowing - and when enough whites are really, truly uncomfortable, with no sign of help on the horizon, then things will get interesting. Especially when they have to compete with the darker peoples for the simplest of things. However, with the haughtiness now being displayed, with Rummy's crotch bulging the last few days as he takes to the microphones to screech through the one eyed zhid, it's very possible that the chosenite's inevitable foul up of overplaying their hand (yet again) is well underfoot with this first step in the conquest of the Middle East for Greater Izzy. I have no doubt that whites will be able to pick up the pieces. It's too bad so many are going to be hurt, simply because years of brainwashing have left them out of touch with their "killer instincts". In fact, the brainwashing has left too many whites out of touch with their instincts, period.
2003-04-12 01:29 | User Profile
Roy Batty, what's your opinion of the chances that ZOG, having jumped on board some new superpower as America collapsed (either militarily or economically), will turn North America into a zoo colony? I certainly don't have as much faith in dumbed down America as I would've had in Eastern Europe, and I can't imagine ZOG abandoning the natural resources.
2003-04-12 05:52 | User Profile
Oh, I don't think ZOG stands much of a chance after a real "collapse" - the military will have gone bye-bye - in terms of their controlling it, that is, and I'm pretty sure that most of the responsible parties (zhid and traitorous white eiltes) will be busy trying to get to mother Israel, Switzerland ... anywhere but here. Not that it will help much. I don't think the US would get hit hard by outside forces per se, but those that end up on the outside will be find themselves to be quite the target. One of the biggest fears of the jews isn't a "resurgence" of Nazi style "anti-semitism", but the US and other countries nationalizing their currency. They lose this massive cash cow, you can almost see Israel sending up the nukes in a bid to take out as many people as possible in sheer spite - if we can't be top dog, then no one else can!
So ... no, there will be a big clean up of the zoo here in N. America. I know a lot of this comes off as ridiculous, but I really think this country is headed down that road - and that the early days of all this ... reconstitution will be very, very dangerous for whites, but as things continue, they will become downright treacherous for the thirdworlders, elites who can't get out, and the zhidlings. It's also going to make things treacherous for some of our "partners" out in the world (Taiwan, etc.) but we'll have enough to deal with right here. The rest of the world can take care of itself, for the first time in a long time. We'll deal with the outside regime changes etc. when things are fixed right here.
We are no more immune to civil war than anyone else. The fuel is already there, and hymie has lit the match.
"ZOG" may try to jump aboard China or even back into Russia, but I don't think either tactic would work. The Chinese may deal with the Israelis who break their agreements with the US by selling (our) sensitive technologies to them, but the Chinese are being much like ... jews. They'll buy this stuff and would gladly fire it up Ariel Sharon's fat ass if push truly came to shove. Russia? I'm interested in seeing what happens with the "alliance" that may be forming between Germany, Russia, France - who follows them, where things go. We may be seeing the cracks in ZOG's skull cap starting to widen.
I have more faith in the US white population in the end because deep down, American's still retain an element of "wildness" that only needs the proper situation to have it unleashed once again. Plus, although some may laugh, the majority of the white population is decended from Germans and Irish - and who were the conscripts/soldiers most in demand in Europe? Irish and Germans. Who - despite the PC myths that get tossed around - have won the majority of CMH's, of medals for bravery etc. throughout American history? Same two groups, and not by a small margin. It's in the genes. We just need the population to be backed against the wall, for real. It won't be easy, but in the end, think of future classrooms filled with kids learning about the dark days of treachery before the revolution freed America from Zionist control, Zionist attempts to enslave the planet. Think of the possibilities for historians. Hell, I don't know how old you are - picture yourself being interviewed when old and grey, because you were there when the "wall" came down.
I'll stop rambling, it is getting ridiculous.
2003-04-12 06:52 | User Profile
Roy Batty; I don't discount an economic depression being the spark of revolution . However only a enraged populace results from economic hard times, the ruling class is still in control and confident.
After losing a war every ruling class becomes unsure of itself a pushover for even a small band of rebels to take over the government. That's why a military and foreign policy disaster along with economic collapse is the right formula for revolution.
Seeing the ever increasing foreign policy hubris of the American ruling class combined with the general stupidity of the Bush administration such a situation could happen at any moment.
2003-04-15 13:54 | User Profile
More Treason from Jorge el Bush and his GOP!!! Soviet America's MKVD is being built as speak!!!
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