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2003-04-09 16:36 | User Profile
Could she be a Mossad mole infiltrating and spying on the anti-immigration right? She's turning VDARE into Frontpagemag.
[url=http://www.vdare.com/malkin/anti_war.htm]http://www.vdare.com/malkin/anti_war.htm[/url]
When Antiwar Speech Turns Seditious By Michelle Malkin
Theyââ¬â¢ve trashed 9/11 memorials. Blocked streets. Burned flags. Shut down bridges. Marched on Broadway. And trampled across the National Mall.
[Who are "they"? When anyone refers to Jews collectively as "they", he is immediately attacked, shunned, and boycotted as an anti-Semite.]
[To march and trample (ie, walk) in opposition to the government may be illegal in Israel and the Philippines, but not in the pre-ZOG United States.]
Theyââ¬â¢ve thrown stones at a uniformed female member of the Vermont National Guard, and hurled pie at a Bay Area television reporter deemed too pro-war.
[There "they" go again! Did the pie hit it's target, like the US missles aimed at al-Jazeera and Reuters?]
Theyââ¬â¢ve carried signs that read ââ¬ÅWe support our troops when they shoot their officersââ¬Â and ââ¬ÅDonââ¬â¢t impeach Bushââ¬Â¦.execute him.ââ¬Â
[Probably a different "they" -- ie, Zionist infiltrators.]
Theyââ¬â¢ve publicly wished for ââ¬Åa million Mogadishusââ¬Â and privately hoped for 100 new bin Ladens.
[Yet another "they" -- overseas wogs.]
Theyââ¬â¢ve issued manifestos calling for sabotage of military establishments in the name of peace. Theyââ¬â¢ve organized ââ¬Ådie-insââ¬Â in the name of justice. And theyââ¬â¢ve conducted ââ¬Åvomit-festsââ¬Â to uphold their warped view of the American way.
[Different "theys" in the same paragraph.]
The antiwar mobsters have gotten away with all this and more. But on Monday, one city finally drew the line.
[Now it's "mobsters". They've gotten their way, haven't they? Just ask the relatives of civilians and journalists mowed down by Israel's American and British mercenaries.]
In Oakland, Calif., local police arrested dozens of antiwar activists who flouted their free-speech rights in a treacherous attempt to shut down a port involved in shipping military supplies to soldiers during wartime. Elsewhere in the Bay Area, several others were cited for crossing a police line outside the Concord Naval Weapons Station; seven more face felony charges for stopping traffic nearby on Interstate 280.
[Better not "flount" your free speech "rights"! They don't exist under Jewish or Philippine law.]
Oakland officials say that the self-proclaimed pacifists, who still fancy themselves the righteous heirs of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr., hurled concrete, wood, and iron bolts at cops. In self-defense, the outnumbered police fired appropriately named ââ¬Ådummyââ¬Â bullets, sting balls, and bean bags at the unruly crowds.
[The stupid cops wounded several longshoremen bystanders.]
Sporting grapefruit-sized welts and bruisesââ¬âtheir very own red badges of incorrigibility!ââ¬âthe Oakland rabble-rousers wheedled that the cops were too ââ¬Åaggressive.ââ¬Â
"I've never seen this level of violence in response to a community picket," complained David Solnit, a ââ¬Åveteran of two decades of civil disobedienceââ¬Â who helped coordinate Monday's blockade through an outfit called Direct Action to Stop the War.
[Violent repression is what Palestinians have come to expect in their occupied country. It is also the policy of Ashcroft and Ridge.]
But this was not your organic garden-variety ââ¬Åcommunity picket.ââ¬Â
The antiwar obstructionists did not set out simply to exercise their own free speech. They set out deliberately and specifically to prevent private businesses from fulfilling their federal contracts with the Department of Defense and U.S. Agency for International Development related to the war and post-war reconstruction in Iraq.
[Clearly evildoing, unlike Jewish boycotts of anyone who speaks out against Israel.]
Cyprus Gonzalez, 19, of Oakland, who was struck during the port melee made his and his antiwar collaboratorsââ¬â¢ intentions clear: ââ¬ÅIt's direct. Here, we're actually trying to shut the place down for a day, to take a strike straight at the actual machine of the war."
[Now we're getting somewhere. From the brief TV coverage of antiwar protests, it appears that the vast majority of the demonstrators are white. But one of the two people identified in this tirade is a Mexican, and Mexicans are notoriously violent. Could the violence in Oakland been the result of Mexican participation?]
The antiwar mobââ¬â¢s primary target at the port of Oakland was American President Lines, a longtime carrier of military cargo. According to the firm, all but two of the company's ships went into military service during World War I. In World War II, the company controlled hundreds of Liberty and Victory ships that carried troops and ammunition through enemy waters. APL provided converted commercial ships for the first Gulf War. And for Operation Iraqi Freedom, the carrier has made nine of its vessels available to the DOD in order to move ammunition and sustainment cargo to support U.S. military forces.
[APL is a big-time war profiteer. How much do they kick back in campaign "contributions"?]
The Oakland punks werenââ¬â¢t simply standing on the sidewalks outside APL chanting their mindless antiwar slogans. They were blocking its trucks, employees, entryways, and streets in order to stop the shipment of things like bullets, rations, lubricants, medical supplies, repair parts and chemical defense equipment to our troops.
[Michelle -- haven't you gotten the word from Wolfowitz? The "weapons of mass destruction" story is OUT. The less said about "chemical defense", the better.]
These bolt-throwing peaceniks also targeted Stevedoring Services of America, which recently won a contract for assessment and a year's operation of the Port of Umm Qasr in Iraq. The firm will also handle 3 million tons of humanitarian aid.
["Won a contract"? Give me a break. Try "received in return for a bribes". Competitive bidding would be most un-Bushlike.]
So in addition to trying to block ammo and gas masks for our soldiers, the antiwar extremists also took a bold stand against sending food and medicine to Iraqi civilians.
[Wolfy says: no more writing about gas masks already.]
Nice going, do-gooders.
[Slick propaganda, gookess.]
Make no mistake: This continued campaign of ââ¬Ådirect actionââ¬Â against private businesses and military establishments is not antiwar speech. Itââ¬â¢s anti-soldier, anti-cop, anti-American sedition. The Oakland police deserve medals of honor for drawing the line.
[This is obviously part of the Zionist campaign for prosecution of antiwar protestors for sedition.]
Michelle Malkin [email her] is author of Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores. Click here for Peter Brimelowââ¬â¢s review. Click here for Michelle Malkin's website.
[On to Syria! On to Iran! On to . . .]
2003-04-09 17:13 | User Profile
Thank you for posting this, hqz. I read it last night and was going to post it here but did not have the time. I had the exact same reaction to it as you. Further, I'm getting a bit tired of VDARE's position of taking no position on the Iraq invasion. To my mind, it is a coward's approach, espcially considering they continue to publish this Neo-Con party line drivel from the hyphenated "American" Mrs. Malkin.
VDARE is quickly squandering the esteem I've always granted it and I may have to remove them from OD's featured links. Of course I realize the Brimelows couldn't give a rat's you know what whether we link to them or not as they have steadfastly refused to acknowledge us in their featured links section since OD's inception. They may be solid on the immigration issue, but the time to stand up and be counted on other pressing paleo/nationalist issues has passed and their refusal to do so in the case of Iraq is without excuse, in my opinion. But again, that's just me.
2003-04-09 18:18 | User Profile
In Vdare's case, once you let one in ... Yep. Michelle Malkin, de facto jew, is steering Vdare right where the zhidsters want it to go. Slowly, but it's tilting. Unless Brimelow takes steps to stop it. I had high hopes of him naming the jew in earnest, for a while it seemed that was where he was headed. But we can see Michelle telling Peter about her Russian Jew hubby, and how he's great, and we're all on the same side. And with her national profile, Vdare wouldn't want her ranting about how racist, how anti-semitic they are, would they?
Like a few other guys have noted, if you go through enough of Malkin's columns, she's all for legal immigration as it exists right now. That means about 10% white, with Mexicans and Filipinos the two largest legal (!) groups, followed by other third world dreck. Remember, jew "refugees" hog up much of the white slots, so who knows how low white immigration really is? I know I rarely meet any Europeans that have moved to this country in the last 20 years.
This bitch, this tool, this little b.s.'er who has her position through her husband's ethnicity and/or connections is another automaton designed to throw whitey off. She's not white, but she sounds like she's on our side. Her husband is jewish, and she sounds like she's on our side. The non-whites and jews are really on our side.
She says the talk is seditious. Typical jew speak, just like in the Soviet Union of Old. Mordochai Levy is spewing the same drivel, so this has to be coordinated. Rush Limpdick and Bill lick jew balls O'Reily are screaming the same crap as well. If you're against the war, it's treason. Courtesy of the same people that advised youngsters in the 60's to kill their parents, burn the flag, revolt against the government, hate yourself if you're white.
:angry:
2003-04-09 19:01 | User Profile
Ugh. I stopped reading VDare months ago. All their writers seem to do the same column over and over and over again. I could probably write a Brimelow-type column in my sleep and you wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't him.
Maybe Francis is trying to break into the "mainstream" right more now that Buchanan has sunk himself with inappropriate questions about jews' and the neocons' support for the Iraq war.
I'm sure he would like the money.
I too am getting a little tired of the ranting about how opposition to the war=treason. One neocon radio goon was gleefully hoping the cops would use real ammo. Just sick. Throwing bolts and wood? Holy Cow! The next thing you know, they'll be trying to stop tanks with rocks, and that's when the gloves are going to come off, by God!
2003-04-09 22:52 | User Profile
Having Malkin as a regular columnist will prove to be VDARE's suicide. Any impact it may have had with a potentially receptive audience (people like us, in other words) has been destroyed, while there is no evidence that the move has won VDARE any more mainstream "respectability."
I wonder if RimJob allows VDARE articles now that Malkin's work appears over there.
BTW, Malkin isn't writing for VDARE. VDARE has just chosen to carry (some of) her syndicated columns from Creators Syndicate. Still, Brimelow is responsible for what editorial license he exercises in carrying content....assuming that his choices reflect the image he wants the site to have.
2003-04-09 23:04 | User Profile
Centinel- It appears that VDARE's deal with Malkin's syndicate is to print anything she writes.
www.vdare.com/letters/tl_012303.htm
I would hesitate to classify Malkin as a neo-con, excepting her viewpoints on foreign policy (which, by the way, are not dissimilar from those of Tom Tancredo). The neos tend to be for open borders and pro-multiculturalism, which Malkin is not. Malkin is not where most people of this board are, with respect to the National Question but she is a far cry from David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, or Michael Barone. Her views on immigration are closer to Pat Buchanan's than they are to those clowns. Yes, I could do without Malkin on VDARE, but it could be worse. It could be David Horowitz. VDARE is still the best site out there, bar none, and unlike VNN, you can show it to your friends (and, importantly, get them to start thinking about things) without immediately repelling their sensitivities.
2003-04-09 23:38 | User Profile
**The neos tend to be for open borders and pro-multiculturalism, which Malkin is not. **
The neos are shape-shifting political opportunists. With the advent of immigrant groups hostile to Jewish interests (Hispanics and Muslims/Arabs), they have pulled immigration reform in from the fringes since 9/11 and made it a "respectable" mainstream issue for establishment conservatism.
To wit: Weiner-Savage, WorldNetDaily, NewsMax, etc.
2003-04-09 23:51 | User Profile
Correct, but I see a definitive split within the neo-con camp on the immigration issue (Steinlight's advice is obviously being heard). You correctly mention some names who are taking a different view on things but, on the other hand, you still have the Weakly Standard, the Wall Street Journal, the FR PC crowd (Sinkspur, Palpatine, etc), still singing the joys of diversity. The Savages, the Malkins, et al are still in the minority of the neo camp with respect to immigration.
I view the border issues of such paramount signifigance that ideological litmus tests are not a luxury that can be afforded. If neo-cons such as Savage and O'Reilly are going to bring attention (and an extra degree of mainstream respectability) to this singular issue, then I am glad. I am glad because it might, just might, help bring some sanity to the current policy which essentially accepts the invasion. It certainly doesn't mean, though, that I have to, or that anyone else has to, agree with Savage and O'Reilly on Poddy's WWIV or any other particular issue near and dear to hearts of the neos. But it does mean that I hope other neos follow their direction on the immigration issue. Close the borders, first and foremost, and then it's time to start talking about otherissues in "the Death of the West".
2003-04-10 01:16 | User Profile
AntiYuppie,
Always a friendly relationship with Peter Brimelow. He was on O'Reilly once and wasn't trashed! Never tested the waters with Vdare with a submission.
The point is guys like us will NEVER be clear the test for head time on Fox.
Remember Peter is a Brit, which allows for crossing more lines.
Understand the points of concern, no doubt we have heard those voices loud and clear about other sites we both share. But the question I will pose, asks whether one can maintain the pure message and ever get national exposure (and I mean the fair and serious kind)?
It's hard enough to keep working relationships together. Breaking into the mainstream (for those who have interests along those lines) takes a diplomatic person.
What are your thoughts? Do we all just keep writing among and for ourselves?
SARTRE :ph34r:
2003-04-10 01:28 | User Profile
Pardon my derisive chuckling, but....when somebody like Linder pointed out years ago that VDARE's fundamental flaw [big "Keep Out"and "No Unauthorized Access" signs posted on certain doors visible to every VDARE writer but never mentioned to the readership] fatally compromised their website from Day One, he's booed and catcalled. As Linder has often stated publicly that Brimelow is sympathetic to VNN.....but only in private corresponsdence..... I find the Malkin contretemps not only typical, but predictable.
Frankly, this was boldly foreshadowed by Brimelow forbidding - forbidding! - Francis from speaking at a David Irving luncheon. I'm not sure if even a Jew-media editor would wield the hammer for organized Jewry in so naked a manner. Brimelow is living proof that there are some ideas so specious only a college graduate could believe them....like overturning the planned obsolescence of the Old Republic without bloodshed, rancor or even the need to call the planners plotting our destruction by name.
Let's face facts: since VDARE has opened their doors, America's immigration problem has worsened, and by Malthusian increments. More immigrants, more legislation protecting them from expulsion, more and more public money tossed down this one-way rat-hole. Sweet fck-all, Third Worlders rammed planes into the Twin Towers and we responded with amnesty bills*!!!! And ALL of this occurred while the strong, vibrant voices of VDARE stood athwart history murmuring "you might want to rethink this, fellows."
If America since 9/11 has showed us one thing, it is that only brute force and naked terror wins arguments in this Jew-poisoned planet of ours. One well-placed, well-timed bullet trumps a hundred mission statements from Peter Brimelow. I'm not happy to say it, but there it is. Organized, armed insurrection has quickly become the only workable avenue to ending this insanity. Short of that, the least Brimelow could do is say what he himself believes to be true and devil take thehindmost. Instead, he gives us Malkin twice a week.
2003-04-10 07:23 | User Profile
Let me play the role of OD Cynical Curmudgeon here.
"Shoemaker, tend to thy last!" is one of my favourite proverbs. It reminds us that the division of labor is the most economically efficient organization for any endevour. It's Adam Smith and Michael Porter in a nutshell.
VDARE can't be all things to the WN movement and hope to excell in its core compentency (to lapse into B-school speak) which is to disseminate some very key ideas - ideas that are VERY SUBVERSIVE to the existing political order - to a broad audience that is otherwise subject to the Pee Cee media monopoly. These revolutionary truths include:
Race does indeed exist as an objective and scientifically usefule category - all PeeCee contentions to the contrary are drivel.
Denying the reality of race and group racial differences is insanity, and lies at the roots of many of our present difficulties, including affirmative action, the AIDS epidemic, failing schools, and so forth.
Real social capital arises spontaneously from related persons sharing a sovereign territory, and as a corrollary diversity disolves natural social bonds. Massive immigration is bad for communities.
The core of American society is white, Christian, and English-speaking (VDARE is named for Virginia Dare, the first English person born on American soil), and all immigrants must respect and assimilate into that original English and Enlightenment matrix. It follows from this that people who are white and Christian will experience the fewest barriers to assimilation and should be greatly preferred as immigrants over all others.
It is the citizen's right and duty to protect the border even when the state refuses to do so (note the fervent support of the truly heroic people of Ranch Rescue).
Getting these ideas out to Joe Sixpack and Kathy Churchgoer is VDARE's vital core function. If VDARE has to throw an occasional sop to the neocons and print Makin's babbling then I say fine, if that's what it takes to STAY IN THE GAME and get out the core message that race is real and that our race is worth preserving.
This talk of insisting that VDARE take a stand on Iraq and other tangential issues dear to our paleocon hearts is naive at best. The IP never had any qualms whatsover about setting up myriad front organizations that focused on a single issue and judiciously avoided all others as the way most effectively to advance a single point of the agenda, nor did it have any problem with saying nice things about its enemies when such served its broader interests. WE MUST ADOPT IP TACTICS TO SURVIVE.
I'm hearing a lot of impotent carping that bespeaks adolescent delusions of moral purity. I assure you that our enemies do not labor within such mental constraints.
I contribute to VDARE, and I urge you all to do the same. It's doing one helluva fine job of getting out the core message. This is its core competency. This is its only function. It needs to concentrate on that, and do whatever is necessary to stay online with that message, and the rest of it be damned.
Walter
2003-04-10 07:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Apr 10 2003, 01:28 ** If America since 9/11 has showed us one thing, it is that only brute force and naked terror wins arguments in this Jew-poisoned planet of ours. One well-placed, well-timed bullet trumps a hundred mission statements from Peter Brimelow. I'm not happy to say it, but there it is. Organized, armed insurrection has quickly become the only workable avenue to ending this insanity. Short of that, the least Brimelow could do is say what he himself believes to be true and devil take thehindmost. Instead, he gives us Malkin twice a week.
**
You need to calm down, partner. Talking about violence here does nobody any good.
Note well that VDARE alone supports Ranch Rescue. Did you or others here answer VDARE's call to contribute to Ranch Rescue's legal defense efforts? RR is a group that is actually answering the call to arms in a legal way. Your talk of lone bullets is utterly irresponsible, and I think you should retract it.
VDARE is actually doing something, and as long as they are then I'll support their one little candle rather than to curse the darkness.
Walter
2003-04-10 08:19 | User Profile
I'm not advocating specific violence here. But I am acknowledging the necessity of violence to achieve the kind of societal changes everybody on these boards seeks.
Those IN power make the rules....therefore those out of power are constrained to break the rules. Right now I could go on a hundred different boards and blue-sky the global panacea of someone having shot Hitler or Hussein in the head during their early yearsof prominence and nobody would bat an eye. Hell, I'dbe cheered! Spitballing violent scenarios as necessary precursors to social & political change is nothing new.
Here's what is new. Until George Bush, the difference between America and Hitler's Germany/Hussein's Iraq is that Americans used to have an inviolate right to lampoon, lambaste and use heinous rhetoric towards the government, elected officials, social institutions, etc. Unlike everybody else, Americans were constantly flattered that they had the God-given right to revolt. It was a lie, but at least we had a genuinely inspiring lie to cling to and a good measure of wiggle-room.
Now, we don't. And everybody KNOWS it.
That's why Walter could type out his little disclaimer "You need to calm down, partner. Talking about violence here does nobody any good." The exact sort of rabbity, 'don't get them mad', fear-of-the-secret-police overcaution that marks the citizen of the totalitarian society. And that type of widespread sentiment, Walter my friend, and the frightening speed with which it's become nationallyinternalized, is the most compelling possible reason for what I said. The people manning the system that has us spooked by our own shadows and censoring ourselves ten times a day will never...will NEVER.... voluntarily relinquish their seizure of OUR country. You can't wish them out and you sure won't vote them out. You might frighten them out. But not without violence or the mathematical probability of violence.
Jesus.....what do you think all those OD'ers openly rooting for things to get as bad as possible - civil unrest, economic collapse, military debacles- are actually talking about, anyway?
2003-04-10 10:15 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Apr 10 2003, 08:22 ** Would Trotsky go bragging about Schiff? **
Bingo, baby.
It would appear that most of my fellow OD'ers need a basic B-school course in marketing and PR.
You never tell the public what's going on behind the scenes, except for those rare instances where such serves your interests. I mean, what do you think marketing and PR are all about? Do you suppose that Detergent X's claim that it is the best detergent is objectively verifiable? Don't you know that we're surrounded by lies both subtle and overt? That we're bombarded with all sorts of subtle suggestions that form our opinions about everything from plastic wrap to politics? Arent' you aware that the IP invented most of the techniques (e.g. Little Orphan Annie Project) that have advanced their murderous agenda so well?
Is that a turnip truck I see?
The fight is for group survival, and the battle ground is the mind of the sheeple. This means propaganda and agitation - not careful logical analysis. We use the truth when it suits us, we downplay the truth or twist and ignore the facts when we must to win the argument. That's the IP way. That's the winning way.
We're not engaged in logical argument in the search for objective truth "out there." That's what we do here and in private, but in public we're all about winning the propaganda war. The sheeple don't care about the truth. Don't you know that? The "truth" for your average Joe Sixpack with a 98 IQ is whatever their perceived rightful leaders tell them. This is polemics a la Lenin, my friends, not syllogisms a la Euclid. It is advocacy, not scientific inquiry.
Our enemies don't give a rat's ass about the truth - they're just out to win the propaganda war - the only war that counts - for themselves and their people. It's all just PR, man.
We better get over this sort of pollyana nonsense, pronto.
Walter
2003-04-10 10:58 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Apr 10 2003, 08:19 ** I'm not advocating specific violence here. But I am acknowledging the necessity of violence to achieve the kind of societal changes everybody on these boards seeks.
Those IN power make the rules....therefore those out of power are constrained to break the rules. Right now I could go on a hundred different boards and blue-sky the global panacea of someone having shot Hitler or Hussein in the head during their early yearsof prominence and nobody would bat an eye. Hell, I'dbe cheered! Spitballing violent scenarios as necessary precursors to social & political change is nothing new.
Here's what is new. Until George Bush, the difference between America and Hitler's Germany/Hussein's Iraq is that Americans used to have an inviolate right to lampoon, lambaste and use heinous rhetoric towards the government, elected officials, social institutions, etc. Unlike everybody else, Americans were constantly flattered that they had the God-given right to revolt. It was a lie, but at least we had a genuinely inspiring lie to cling to and a good measure of wiggle-room.
Now, we don't. And everybody KNOWS it.
That's why Walter could type out his little disclaimer "You need to calm down, partner. Talking about violence here does nobody any good." The exact sort of rabbity, 'don't get them mad', fear-of-the-secret-police overcaution that marks the citizen of the totalitarian society. And that type of widespread sentiment, Walter my friend, and the frightening speed with which it's become nationallyinternalized, is the most compelling possible reason for what I said. The people manning the system that has us spooked by our own shadows and censoring ourselves ten times a day will never...will NEVER.... voluntarily relinquish their seizure of OUR country. You can't wish them out and you sure won't vote them out. You might frighten them out. But not without violence or the mathematical probability of violence.
Jesus.....what do you think all those OD'ers openly rooting for things to get as bad as possible - civil unrest, economic collapse, military debacles- are actually talking about, anyway? **
I agree with your general assessment of the situation. We're heading toward an authoritarian state with the Patriot Act working at cross purposes with unchecked immigration. It's clearly been planned that way, after all.
I would disagree to some extent with your assertion that this is entirely unprecedented in our history. Lincoln quashed dissent, as did Wilson and Roosevelt. But there's no doubt that the screws are tightening right now, and that it's sure to get much worse - maybe worse than we've ever seen.
But, hey, no suprises there. Like, we all know that, okay? We've already passed that page.
So as we're all hip to that, writing something that could even be construed as a call to violent action is what they call in boxing "leading with the chin." I don't doubt that OD's existence is tenuous enough without having to worry about stuff like that.
It's question of tactics, Il Ragno. You seem emotionally stuck in the denial stage, as if you're saying to yourself "yes, this is really happening. Don't you all see it's happening?" I've recognized that and moved on long ago. It's time to take action. Realistic action.
I want to win, baby. I don't care so much about being right.
I have no doubt that VDARE et al want the same thing. I mean, Steve Sailer is the only one openly talking about race on a forum that reaches scores of thousands of readers. And overall I'm sure very intelligent readers - just the kind of audience we want to reach. VDARE serves our purposes well, so we support VDARE.
Wintermute is right - badmouthing VNN is a perfectly laudable tactic if it's aimed at getting people to read it. Same for VDARE. Same for Ranch Rescue. But keep those checks coming in, folks. I contribute. That's my little part in all this, at least so far. But if we're going to have a real WN movement, then we're all going to have to get behind our leaders and do our little parts without fail and without attacking our leaders' credibility every time they engage in a little politics.
Messrs. Brimewell, Francis and Buchanan understand this, and despite all the carping they're the only ones who are really out there now connecting with the public consistently with the basic message. I need to support them, understanding that they'll have to make some tactical zig-zags as they lead us forward. C'mon, guys. You can't be that naive. There's much going on behind the scenes that influences these moves. Keep your eyes on the prize, keep marching forward, and accept that the road is muddy and long and that we're all going to be a little dirty by the time it's over. Consider PJB's refusal to protest the war after the action started. Purists condemned it, but I supported it. And I think PJB's been proved right. He conveyed the message, but retained the credibility with the sheeple and lived to fight another day. He's in a nice position now, unlike the entire anti-war Left.
Get it?
And progress is being made. Heck, in the three short weeks of this war "ITZ" been said probably for the first time in ages. By Buchanan and Moran most famously, but even by Tim Russert on Meet the Press, for Pete's sake. Brimewell came dangerously close to throwing a haymaker, but I think he wisely pulled the punch. Perle was forced to resign. The entire anti-war Left has been infected with subtle ITZ messages. We've done well, and more is on the way if they actually go after Syria. Or Iran.
You're a brilliant writer, Il Ragno. And you're a good WN and a brother - you should be read far and wide. But if you're going to reach the sheeple, you're going to have to get over this purity of essential bodily fluids stuff.
That's how I see it, anyway.
Walter
2003-04-10 12:34 | User Profile
Please readers, don't kick VDare out simply because it doesn't box every point of your political compass. Brimelow is an INVALUBLE asset to our views and causes. Unarguably, he is one of the most most articulate, energetic, and principled spokesman on our side. Winterhute, your analysis of the situation is superb. All the posters should give it scrutiny.
2003-04-10 14:22 | User Profile
Walter, yes- you're of course correct about the periodic contraction of civil liberties tying into whatever War To End All Wars we're engaging in at that moment. And I certainly wasn't trying to hold your comments up to ridicule....t'other way round. I see too many rational adults preface any discouraging word they're about to utter with a pro forma grinning-disclaimer "now before I continue, let me stress that the following comments are for amusement purposes only..." and I can't help but despair.
Maybe such half-heartedly-enunciated escape clauses will be the sign by which we will make ourselves known to our fellows from now on.....if you would know a man's true thoughts on a matter, look for the comments prefaced by "now I would never advocate this myself, mind you, but-"
But it's necessary, I think, for plain talk now and then, too. Okay, better that they're reading VDARE than FRONT PAGE, by all means - though if they're going to VDARE for Malkin I don't see much difference: they're on the road to FRONT PAGE regardless. Part of that 'plain talk', however, is an open acknowledgment that there is no "working within the system" if the very system has been redesigned in the prior generation to isolate, marginalize and utterly discredit We Few, We Unhappy Few who utter the discouraging words.
2003-04-10 17:20 | User Profile
In other words, "Vdare, as a collective, cannot take just one position on the perfidity of the Jews, hence we remain neutral on the topic." We report, you decide.
Therein lies the problem. VDare will not be allowed to remain neutral! Any slight criticism of Jews, no matter how indirect or delicately-phrased it is, will put VDare square in the camp with all the Nazis and haters and knuckle-draggin' sister-fkers. Power Jews have their own litmus test and they ruthlessly enforce it. They control the propaganda apparatus from top to bottom. If you don't publically state that 2+2=5 where Jews are concerned, then you can kiss your posterior adios.
All the behind-the-scenes stuff and sly winking is great, but face it, most people are stupid and aren't going to be swayed by a reasoned Analysis of Demographic Trends of Cross-Border Population Flux of the Lower 48 States Tied to Climbing Social Welfare Expenditures and Their Effects on Tax Rates and Job Growth in the Manufacturing Sector. All they know is that they lost their job now that the plant's in Mexico, the neighborhood went to hell when section 8 wetbacks were moved in and their son dresses and talks like a ngger rap star. To top it off, they get blamed for it all as the powerful, hegemonic white oppressor. These people are mad as hell and, unfortunately, are going to take it a lot more. If they don't, you've got all the Orwellian police-state crap prepositioned to quash dissent in case Whitey gets uppity, now that he's become the nggers he once looked down on.
These folks appreciate directness, and while I don't think dressing up like Nazis and waving around reproduction cans of Zyklon B is the way to go (quite the opposite, in fact), I do think that Alex Linder's style has a lot going for it that the reasoned, scholarly approach lacks.
Of course there's going to be violence. ZOG knows it and is preparing for it with the aforementioned Orwellian crap. Peaceful methods of change have been strangled as efficiently and inexorably as a pig loses to a python. Once they realize voting Republican is a fool's errand, those who bought the lie of having a God-given right to revolt may do so and start shooting, not that I advocate this myself. :rolleyes:
2003-04-10 17:46 | User Profile
What is VDARE's mission, to explain how modern immigration policies are bad for us? The majority of white Americans have opposed these policies all along - since before VDARE existed. Has VDARE been a successful tool for activism? Might any increase in concern be more properly attributable to the effects of immigration than to echoes of established opinion? Most anti-immigrationists already understand the labor racket or else the main resistance would be coming from specifically racialist groups. It seems to me that the natural role for an anti-immigration group, aside from reinforcing already held majority beliefs (which, after a very short while, underlines its own ineffectiveness), is to explain why their government continues to ignore the desires of the majority as well as mountains of statistical data backing up the dangers of current policy.
The biggest road left unexplored by groups like VDARE is the increasingly apparent question of why government actively seeks to change the racial complexion of the country. How can this be done without introducing the concept of alien rule? Or at least a larger inquiry into the different thought processes of cattle, savages, and God's pets. Don't you think that there are thousands of light bulbs waiting to be lit among the resistant but thought conditioned anti-immigrationist majority?
As for controversy, it turns old news into big news. VDARE might take a look at the Birchers for a little insight into how a steady and light hum puts people to sleep.
2003-04-10 19:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by MadScienceType@Apr 10 2003, 17:20 ** > In other words, "Vdare, as a collective, cannot take just one position on the perfidity of the Jews, hence we remain neutral on the topic." We report, you decide.
Therein lies the problem. VDare will not be allowed to remain neutral! Any slight criticism of Jews, no matter how indirect or delicately-phrased it is, will put VDare square in the camp with all the Nazis and haters and knuckle-draggin' sister-fkers. Power Jews have their own litmus test and they ruthlessly enforce it. They control the propaganda apparatus from top to bottom. If you don't publically state that 2+2=5 where Jews are concerned, then you can kiss your posterior adios.
All the behind-the-scenes stuff and sly winking is great, but face it, most people are stupid and aren't going to be swayed by a reasoned Analysis of Demographic Trends of Cross-Border Population Flux of the Lower 48 States Tied to Climbing Social Welfare Expenditures and Their Effects on Tax Rates and Job Growth in the Manufacturing Sector. All they know is that they lost their job now that the plant's in Mexico, the neighborhood went to hell when section 8 wetbacks were moved in and their son dresses and talks like a ngger rap star. To top it off, they get blamed for it all as the powerful, hegemonic white oppressor. These people are mad as hell and, unfortunately, are going to take it a lot more. If they don't, you've got all the Orwellian police-state crap prepositioned to quash dissent in case Whitey gets uppity, now that he's become the nggers he once looked down on.
These folks appreciate directness, and while I don't think dressing up like Nazis and waving around reproduction cans of Zyklon B is the way to go (quite the opposite, in fact), I do think that Alex Linder's style has a lot going for it that the reasoned, scholarly approach lacks.
Of course there's going to be violence. ZOG knows it and is preparing for it with the aforementioned Orwellian crap. Peaceful methods of change have been strangled as efficiently and inexorably as a pig loses to a python. Once they realize voting Republican is a fool's errand, those who bought the lie of having a God-given right to revolt may do so and start shooting, not that I advocate this myself. :rolleyes: **
We're in for a long fight - that's for sure. I was purusing Solzhenityn's "200 Years Together" - the great man's opus on the long and sorrowful history of the Russian's and the Jews. This isn't a new story. Our problems stem from the Pale of Settlement just as do the problems of our ethnic kin, the Slavs. Alliances have shifted, entire political movements have changed personnel, publications switched sides - all of this many, many times over. We need to make do with what we have, and what we have is VDARE, Ranch Rescue, OD, Amren, and a few others.
We also mustn't shrink for alliances where they serve our interests. My right honorable friend Il Ragno says above > Okay, better that they're reading VDARE than FRONT PAGE, by all means - though if they're going to VDARE for Malkin I don't see much difference: they're on the road to FRONT PAGE regardless.
But I'm not so sure. Frontpagemag supports a few things we can get behind. They're against slavery reparations, for example, as are every one of us. So what's wrong with the sheeple learning all David Horowtiz's good arguments for why reparations are a crock?
Or FreeRepublic. Sure, they're a bunch of mindless dittoheads controlled by the neo-cons, but hey, they support gun rights avidly. FR does lots to pass "shall issue" CCW statutes in the states. I support "must-issue" CCW statutes. And the beauty of these statutes is that you can't get a permit if you have a felony conviction. Since blacks are VASTLY more likely to be convicted of felonies than whites, these statutes have the effect of TENDING to arm whites and disarm blacks. Is that bad?
FR supports lower taxes. That's great, so do I. The less taxes whites pay the better, and the sooner the essence of the racial coalition becomes apparent as the other side makes increasingly strident demands.
Freepers are angry about Shrub's failure to defend the border, and I've been surprised to see some posts left in tact.
The typical white Judeo-Christian Freeper has the right instincts. S/he knows their pocket is being picked and that they're slated for dispossession, but they're in tota doublethink denial about the real parties in interest. They can't bring themselves to see the real racial interests animating their support of CCW, border enforcement and lower taxes, just as they can't see the IP ethnic interests animating the Trotskyite neocons. They hide their actions behind high-sounding universalisms, as the neo-cons direct. That's the downside. But let that not blind us to the upside that they are helping to arm whites, prevent wealth transfers from whites to blacks, and are laying the groundwork for a GOP the might be forced to recognize immigration reform.
You expect more from them than I do, I guess.
We are a small ideological core that faces the gargantuan task of fighting the neocon matrix for the mind of Joe Sixpack. We can only hope at this moment to influence it as much as possible with the tools at our disposal.
Walter
2003-04-10 19:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by MadScienceType@Apr 10 2003, 17:20 **
Of course there's going to be violence. ZOG knows it and is preparing for it with the aforementioned Orwellian crap. Peaceful methods of change have been strangled as efficiently and inexorably as a pig loses to a python. Once they realize voting Republican is a fool's errand, those who bought the lie of having a God-given right to revolt may do so and start shooting, not that I advocate this myself. **
Oh, it's going to come down to violence in the end, no doubt about it. None whatsoever. I've said it a hundred times, it's going to get a lot worse, which will benefit us in the long run. I'm afraid a lot of whites are going to get hurt at first, after decades of brainwashing that has turned them into cowards, afraid of fighting - brainwashing that has essentially turned them into Ashkenazis when it comes to having the heart to fight, which means no heart at all in face to face, physical confrontation.
Sure, ZOG will tighten the screws with our military, at first. But that will lead to a breakdown in the ranks - and breakdowns along racial lines. I have no doubt at all. Some of the zhidlings sense this, but most are far too arrogant and short-sighted. And that is what has always been their downfall.
Vdare? I have to side with those that say it's a starting point for some of the sheeple to have an awakening. People connect the dots much better than they are given credit for. It's the brainwashing they've received over their lifetimes that causes inner conflict, denial. But enough exposure, enough thinking can clear away much of the fog. As an aside, as one other writer posted, I know for a FACT that off the record Brimelow knows the real deal, that he is fully aware of the malevolent source of most of this country's misery. He doesn't feel is in a position, or more correctly, WE collectively are in a position to take off the gloves, yet.
Malkin? Shee-it. I posted that info on her and her hubby when asked if she was really married to a jew. Sure enough, itz no surprise. I think she has been carefully crafted from the beginning, at least as far as being an anti-illegal immigration "activist". Put up a non-white face, show they and the jews are on the side of white America, and then continue to flood the country with filthy, disease ridden dreck from Mexico, India, Africa and God knows where else. And don't forget to toss in some jibes at Israel's enemies.
VNN scares the "uninitiated" off at first glance. They need to be exposed to things like Amren, Vdare, etc. Then have them move on to the "harder" stuff. I've done it with people, and it seems to be the way to go. Send them to newnation.org - only because it has racial realities and is humorous in presentation (albeit, possibly unintended in many cases) and then on to VNN, FAEM ... The slower route is the way to go. How many of you were instantly convinced of the problem? Probably not many - although I suspect many of us came to our realizations through obsevation, during long periods of disquiet, of feeling uncomfortable, but not really understanding why until we stepped back and took a long, dispassionate look at the big picture. Which is what we need to help others do, others more heavily under the hypnotic spell of the world the jews have woven through their media control, and bought off government. We are in The Matrix, I hate to say.
2003-04-10 21:53 | User Profile
Walter, Roy:
I agree with your sentiments. There's room for both a VDare and VNN on the road to lifting the scales from the public's eyes, or unplugging them from the Matrix, take your pick. I do, however, wish they would quit sniping at each other, as they're basically on the same team, though Linder does dispute this in his latest piece. I too didn't leap onto VNN straightaway, but rather through VDare, alamanceind, etc. You're right, observation also played a big part. I guess I've gotten tired of VDare's repetition, but I'm glad you have had success steering people VDare-gently in the right direction.
The typical white Judeo-Christian Freeper has the right instincts. S/he knows their pocket is being picked and that they're slated for dispossession, but they're in tota doublethink denial about the real parties in interest.
Exactly, but sites like FR, FrontPage and NR are simply tools for directing this natural and appropriate rage over their slated destruction into jew-approved directions. (Nook them Ay-rabs!!) Vdare seems to continue this somewhat, especially with Malkin's increasingly shrill neocon yammering, though their increasing references to Likudniks are a step in the right direction without being too abrasive to newly awakened souls. We'll see if it continues. I hope so.
At the same time, I also wish that a lot of folks on the WN right would lose their love affair with the colors red, white and black as well as the Hakenkreuz. Why not speak to angry Joe Sixpack in the red, white and blue language he understands instead of appearing as evil incarnate before you've even had a chance to open your mouth? If you try shock treatment with a Nazi brownshirt, you merely reinforce sixty years of programming. Break that, and he might come to his own conclusions, about NS and everything else the jew-tube has fed him to boot. I know a lot of Old Glories fly at NA rallies and there are many decently dressed people there, but which flag and which attire draws the stare of the sheeple and the unblinking eye of the jew-tube, do you think?
I'm afraid a lot of whites are going to get hurt at first, after decades of brainwashing that has turned them into cowards, afraid of fighting - brainwashing that has essentially turned them into Ashkenazis when it comes to having the heart to fight, which means no heart at all in face to face, physical confrontation.
Sadly, I think you're right. We can look forward to a lot more Wichitas in the future.
**are laying the groundwork for a GOP the might be forced to recognize immigration reform.
You expect more from them than I do, I guess.**
I guess my standards are a bit high! :hyp:
As for the GOP, I think a number-one priority should be the cooption of the Party away from its neocon highjackers, or failing that, its absolute destruction as a viable source of White salvation in the minds of Joe Sixpacks, since the GOP only serves the same purpose as FR, NR etc. do of redirecting White anger away from the real source of our problems. The first option is probably out, since the jews battened down the hatches tight once they gained access.
2003-04-11 00:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by MadScienceType@Apr 10 2003, 21:53 ** At the same time, I also wish that a lot of folks on the WN right would lose their love affair with the colors red, white and black as well as the Hakenkreuz. Why not speak to angry Joe Sixpack in the red, white and blue language he understands instead of appearing as evil incarnate before you've even had a chance to open your mouth? If you try shock treatment with a Nazi brownshirt, you merely reinforce sixty years of programming. Break that, and he might come to his own conclusions, about NS and everything else the jew-tube has fed him to boot. I know a lot of Old Glories fly at NA rallies and there are many decently dressed people there, but which flag and which attire draws the stare of the sheeple and the unblinking eye of the jew-tube, do you think?
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Good point MadScienceType. That's something I think about, but have never mentioned. The brainwashing is so pervasive, yet many WN's forget this fact after they "awaken" - they forget these symbols are still symbols of "hate and intolerance" to most whites, and tools of the zhid story spinners. They need to be educated, to know the facts as they really are. For the uninitiated, take the veiw that their outlook on EVERYTHING has been formed by the tribal media and their partners in our dumbed down schools - and then try to take some of that brainwashing and use it to your advantage - or at least present the contradictions they've been taught to believe as just that, but in a non-threatening, conversational manner.
2003-04-13 04:31 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Apr 12 2003, 19:24 ** Let us say, for sake of argument, that somebody sympathetic to our cause decided to take out one of the many prominent neocons who have the special ed President's ear. What would happen? Would the masses cheer the assassin as a liberator and rally to our cause? Of course not. The "victim" would become a martyr... **
At least on an operational level, you're really saying that the bullets will have to take out the martyrs and American mass media at the same time. Some trick shot!
Cable TV and chain newspapers have glued American discourse to a standstill. The Internet "alternative" is turning into a flytrap.
VDARE might be turning itself into a sort of designated-dissenter in the mold of our permanent antiwar protesters. The public hasn't responded especially well if the events since 9/11 are anything to go by. Hence VDARE is fishing in the same waters as The Nation magazine, which has been "dissenting" and crying about capitalism for almost a century with no serious repercussions and absolutely no accomplishments. Regimes are flattered by that sort of dissent.
Then again there might be a national reawakening right around the corner. :)