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Thread ID: 6022 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2003-04-07
2003-04-07 04:44 | User Profile
From Agence France-Presse, available online at: [url=http://www.prolog.net/webnews/wed/br/Qindia-pakistan-sinha.R15J_DA6.html]http://www.prolog.net/webnews/wed/br/Qindi...a.R15J_DA6.html[/url]
Pakistan "fit case" for attack by US: Sinha
April 6, 2003
NEW DELHI (AFP) - Indian Foreign Minister Yashwant Sinha has described Pakistan as a "fit case" for an Iraqi style military action by the US because it has weapons of mass destruction, sheltered terrorists and lacked democracy.
"It is a fit case," Sinha told the Hindustan Times in an interview published Sunday when asked whether Pakistan deserved action similar to that against Iraq.
Sinha said he would not oppose such action against Pakistan, but added "... whether they will is up to them. We can't go to someone and ask them to attack another country.
"We will keep pointing out the activities of Pakistan and in them the role of the army, the drug business centered in Pakistan ... and how people in (the Pakistan zone of Kashmir) are repressed and trampled on," he said.
Relations between India and Pakistan, who both conducted nuclear tests in May 1998, are strained.
India says arch rival Pakistan has sheltered Osama bin Laden since the Taliban were ousted from Afghanistan in November 2001.
It also accuses Pakistan of "cross-border terrorism" -- arming, training and funding an Islamic insurgency in its Muslim majority region of Kashmir, a charge Islamabad denies.
The 14-year-old insurgency has claimed more than 38,000 lives.
Kashmir, which has sparked two of the three wars between the two nuclear rivals since their independence from British rule in 1947, is divided between them and claimed by both.
The two came to the brink of war last year over the issue of cross-border terrorism with hundreds of thousands of troops deployed on their shared borders. The troops were withdrawn late last year.
On Wednesday, Sinha told AFP in an interview that international opinion regarding India's position on disputed Kashmir had been boosted by the precedent set by the US-led military invasion of Iraq.
"We derive some satisfaction ... because I think all those people in the international community ... realise that India has a much better case to go for pre-emptive action against Pakistan than the US has in Iraq," he said.
2003-04-07 06:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Apr 6 2003, 22:44 ** has weapons of mass destruction, sheltered terrorists and lacked democracy. **
Is lacking democracy a bad thing?
2003-04-07 08:47 | User Profile
You know the answer, but there arenââ¬â¢t many of us.
ââ¬ÅDemocracyââ¬Â is a cheap term tossed about gratuitously to keep the rabble ignorant and satiated with delusions of their importance. Everyone who gave any serious thought to the workings of government considered the idea ludicrous, beginning with the Greeks (perhaps earlier) onward. I believe the deluded academic, Woodrow Wilson, was the first to peddle the abomination as something worth ââ¬Åmaking the world safe forââ¬Â when the presidency was procured on his behalf. Today, democracy, or variant thereof, is supposed to be emulated the word over and where ignorant savages fail to grasp its blessings, and it amuses the Judeo-American Empire to do so, the syphilis is injected into the offending nation body at gunpoint.
A limited electorate democracy can function well enough when racial prerequisites are met and there are no overriding regional differences, but to say that the system is inherently superior to others is absurd. Superior governments do not hinge upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of rulers.
2003-04-07 19:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by Sisyfos@Apr 7 2003, 02:47 **
A limited electorate democracy can function well enough when racial prerequisites are met and there are no overriding regional differences, but to say that the system is inherently superior to others is absurd. Superior governments do not hinge upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of rulers. **
Precisely, Sisyfos.
2003-04-07 21:47 | User Profile
Now Pakistan wants India to be struck pre-emptively....
[url=http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/stories/2003040804981100.htm]The Hindu: `India a fit case for pre-emptive strikes' [/url]
2003-04-08 06:54 | User Profile
Iââ¬â¢ve no empirical or statistical evidence to lean on but I suspect that in the short period since joining the ââ¬Ånuclear club,ââ¬Â India and Pakistan have exchanged more threats and blatant provocations that US and USSR during the entire Cold War. Given their history of personally (no proxy war potential here) going at it every decade or so. . .
I stated elsewhere that every revolutionary innovation in weaponry, from chariot to dreadnaught to atomics, had seen usage, and if its employment was limited it was only because something superior came along. History can wait indefinitely, but it wonââ¬â¢t need to. Not in this regard. Presently, the Indian subcontinent is an A1 candidate for deployment of atomics beyond showcasing. From a geopolitical, a racial and a selfish standpoint, this scenario is not undesirable, though optimal outcome would see the combatants wait a few years so as to fill out their arsenals but they seem eager to begin and restraint is not their nature.
2003-04-09 04:06 | User Profile
In actuality, Pakistan has always been the agressor, and it is Islam and its hate towards all that is non Muslim (including Hindus and everyone on this forum, especially Sisyfos) which is a global rather than regional problem.
Pakistani aggression stems from its desire to recover the province of Kashmir, a territory inhabited largely by Muslims and erroneously dolled out to India following independence, and for reasons know one can quite figure out -- unless the intent was to build a permanent trouble spot by stranding incompatible minorities among Hindus -- by nitwits in the British Foreign Office.
Muslims would not be a problem (certainly not a global one) if only the West had the foresight to not import them, but that could be said of all non-Aryans. Apart from indulging in the typical French trait of giving US the finger, Jacques of France never had the option of participating in ââ¬ÅOperation Iraqi Freedomââ¬Â because it was not politically feasible. Not with 15% Muslim population, which speaks with one voice when it comes to Western meddling in Middle Eastern Affairs. Iââ¬â¢ll grant you that many a Muslim will make US a target, including Pakistanis, but theyââ¬â¢ll have to get in line behind Saudis, Egyptians, Syrians and others. Perhaps your Hindus will do the US a favour and pull off a ââ¬ËCopenhagenââ¬â¢ before the Pakistani regime is replaced by a less talkative and more action oriented folk. What kind of standing and influence will you hold in the Hindu community once your conversion goes through?
BTW, how did you come to the conclusion that my lonesome merits [special] hatred by Muslims? In actual fact, my tribesmen have long had good relations with the rabble. The Egyptians, for instance, fondly remember those who supplied them with arms and material (albeit second rate, as only morons sell their top-of-the-line items) with which they nearly finished off the pariah nation. But to universal dismay, Dick rose to the occasion (doubtless Superkraut had . . . a hand in it too) and dispatched serious reinforcements to save the tender hives of Godââ¬â¢s most precious. :(
2003-04-09 18:02 | User Profile
Yes Sisyfos, rban's Indians, his smokescreen, are the most racially pure Aryans on this planet. Here's some pictures to prove it:
[url=http://www.foodrelief.org/]http://www.foodrelief.org/[/url]
[url=http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/faces3/4566.htm]http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/faces3/4566.htm[/url]
2003-04-09 18:44 | User Profile
Muslims would not be a problem (certainly not a global one) if only the West had the foresight to not import them, but that could be said of all non-Aryans.
Yep. So we import them by the planeload while whacking their native hives with Raytheon-made sticks and we wonder why they don't like us and try to blow us to hell and gone any chance they get. Gosh, that's so stupid, you'd have to think someone was deliberately doing it. Nawww.