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2003-04-07 00:31 | User Profile
U.S. Finds No Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq
**Top Stories - Reuters U.S. Finds No Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq Sun Apr 6, 8:23 AM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
AS SAYLIYA CAMP, Qatar (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Sunday it had not yet found any weapons of mass destruction and it believed there was a diminishing threat that Iraq (news - web sites) might use them as U.S.-led troops take over more territory.
"The places it's most likely to be found we haven't even gotten to them yet," Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks told a briefing at Central Command in Qatar.
Brooks said the farther the U.S.-led forces moved into Iraq, the less opportunity there was for Iraq to use any weapons of mass destruction it might have. Washington launched a war against Iraq on March 20, vowing to disarm it of weapons of mass destruction that Baghdad denies it has.
"The closer we get ... there are fewer and fewer options on what can be used to deliver weapons of mass destruction."
"As we continue to advance more areas are taken away. We are pleased that it hasn't been used to date but not satisfied that the threat has gone," Brooks said.
url: [url=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20030406/ts_nm/iraq_usa_weapons_dc]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._usa_weapons_dc[/url] **
2003-04-07 11:28 | User Profile
They might try to manufacture a cache or two.
I think not, but I couldn't put it past them.
The equally illegal Kosovo campaign four years ago was ostensibly to prevent a "genocide" of the Kosovar Albanians at the hands of the Serbs, but as far as I know no clear evidence of Serb state murders of Albanian civilians was ever proved. As I recall (please correct me if I'm wrong), the evidence uncovered was inconclusive as to the identityt of the perpetrators and in any event did not nearly rise to the level of genocide that created the needed war hysteria. The point here is that nobody cares. The sheeple have a 10-second attention span. The media just forgot about it and so did Johnny Sixpack. Nobody ever called Bill Clinton and company to account for waging an illegal war on clearly false pretenses, and nobody ever will.
I suspect the same will apply here. I think it unlikely that any WMD will be found. Alternatively, some inconclusive things mightl be found that will distract people for a while and muddy the waters a bit, and then when the conversation gets old (two weeks maximum) the ZOG media will just drop it down the memory hole. It will be reported in the foreign press for a while longer, but Americans will "little note nor long remember" and the foreign press will move on to other things, too.
Our world is a weird mix of Orwell's "1984" and Huxley's "Brave New World."
Walter
2003-04-07 16:47 | User Profile
The evidence of genocide in Kosovo turned out to be as non-existent as the evidence of Saddam's WMDs. Yet, the general public is certain that the Serbs perpetrated genocide in Kosovo and the US stopped it. And, years from now the public will be certain that Saddam had mountains of WMDs and that the US destroyed them. I've yet to figure why the public is so certain in their ignorance when they know they have nothing concrete to back up their beliefs.
2003-04-08 05:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by Happy Hacker@Apr 7 2003, 16:47 ** The evidence of genocide in Kosovo turned out to be as non-existent as the evidence of Saddam's WMDs. Yet, the general public is certain that the Serbs perpetrated genocide in Kosovo and the US stopped it. And, years from now the public will be certain that Saddam had mountains of WMDs and that the US destroyed them. I've yet to figure why the public is so certain in their ignorance when they know they have nothing concrete to back up their beliefs. **
That's exactly my point. Everybody believes in the "Serb genocide of the Kosovars," and like you say everybody will believe that Saddam had WMD.
I can tell you what it is - because I've had direct professional experience with it. It's (drumroll) - marketing!
Marketing is the power of suggestion - it creates perceptions on a sub-rational level that insinuate themselves into a person's thinking. These notions form the matrix within which most rational thought takes place. Few people ever bother to check their assumptions, and so they form their opinions based on false, implanted ideas.
The mass media is tightly controlled. News is marketing, and marketing is news. Stories are planted - I see it every day in the business press. Every company has a PR department that cultivate relationships with friendly journalists and media outlets. It's like that in the corporate world from bottom to top. I've been in corporate board meetings where marketing people said things like "we really need to play on the public perception that stories about are product are objective reporting" with sneers and giggles all around. Most people haven't been there, so they don't know that the advertisers of the world sneer at them as so many stupid sheep lined up for fleecing. It came as a shock to me, I can tell you.
But it's the same thing at the top of the corporate food chain where basic policy is most directly shaped. The media bombards us with these policy "talking points" - there is no such thing as race; noticing that blacks commit more crimes than whites makes you a bad person; you can solve your personal problems by buying and consuming things; Hitler was the personification of evil; noticing Jewish power makes you a moral pariah; we all win when corporations do well; America is good and can be trusted with power; the Serbs are the equivalent of the Germans of the 1930's; Saddam is the equivalent of Hitler; and so forth.
The first step to freedom is to kill your television.
If we have any hope, it is the Internet. As more people log on to alternative websites like OD, the more they bypass the media brainwashing.
I'm sure I haven't said anything you don't know. But it bears constant repeating for both the lurkers and ourselves. The media are controlled by groups hostile to us and our people, they subtly lie to us about all sorts of things in order to control your thinking, and the only way out is to stop exposing ourselvs and our children to television.
Walter
2003-04-09 11:32 | User Profile
GREAT POST Walter! That's exactly right!!! We do as we're told because it's easier than thinking. A properly framed "discussion" doesn't have any "wrong" comments. The real topics that are news worthy are apparent precisely due to their absence.
Art students?
2003-04-13 03:05 | User Profile
They still can not find any!!! :cowboy: :gun: :jest:
2003-04-13 12:52 | User Profile
Oh! Didn't you guys know? The failure to find any WMD's in Iraq is simply because they shipped them to Syria! Oh, man, I'm so dissapointed in you Saddam. You could've just told Rumsfeld about the deal and saved the complete annhilation of your country. Or'd ya send them WMD's to Iran? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? C'mon Saddam, won't you at least co-operate!Trrrrroooopsss! March west! Kill everybody! Just do what that shtty lil country says!*
[SIZE=3]Syria could be next, warns Washington [/SIZE]
Ed Vulliamy in Washington Sunday April 13, 2003 The Observer
The United States has pledged to tackle the Syrian-backed Hizbollah group in the next phase of its 'war on terror' in a move which could threaten military action against President Bashar Assad's regime in Damascus. The move is part of Washington's efforts to persuade Israel to support a new peace settlement with the Palestinians. Washington has promised Israel that it will take 'all effective action' to cut off Syria's support for Hizbollah - implying a military strike if necessary, sources in the Bush administration have told The Observer .
Hizbollah is a Shia Muslim organisation based in Lebanon, whose fighters have attacked northern Israeli settlements and harassed occupying Israeli troops to the point of forcing an Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon three years ago.
[color=blue]The new US undertaking to Israel to deal with Hizbollah via its Syrian sponsors has been made over recent days during meetings between administration officials and Israeli diplomats in Washington, and Americans talking to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in Jerusalem. It would be part of a deal designed to entice Israel into the so-called road map to peace package that would involve the Jewish state pulling out of the Palestinian West Bank, occupied since 1967. [/color]
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has so far rejected the road map initiative - charted by the US with its ally, Britain - which also calls for mutual recognition between Israel and a new Palestinian state, structured according to US-backed reforms. The American guarantee would be to take armed action if necessary to cut off Syrian support for Hizbollah, and stop further sponsorship for the group by Iran.
'If you control Iraq, you can affect the Syrian and Iranian sponsorship of Hizbollah, both geographically and politically,' says Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution think-tank in Washington.
'The United States will make it very clear, quietly and publicly, that Baathist Syria may come to an end if it does not stop its support of Hizbollah.'
The undertaking dovetails conveniently into 'phase three' of what President George Bush calls the 'war on terror' and his pledge to go after all countries accused of harbouring terrorists.
It also fits into calls by hawks inside and aligned to the administration who believe that war in Iraq was first stage in a wider war for American control of the region. Threats against Syria come daily out of Washington.
Hawks in and close to the Bush White House have prepared the ground for an attack on Syria, raising the spectre of Hizbollah, of alleged Syrian plans to wel come refugees from Saddam Hussein's fallen regime, and of what the administration insists is Syrian support for Iraq during the war.
[color=blue]Deputy Defence Secretary [COLOR=blue]Paul Wolfowitz - regarded as the real architect of the Iraqi war and its aftermath - said on Thursday that 'the Syrians have been shipping killers into Iraq to try and kill Americans', adding: 'We need to think about what our policy is towards a country that harbours terrorists or harbours war criminals. 'There will have to be change in Syria, plainly,' said Wolfowitz. [/color]
Washingtom intelligence sources claim that weapons of mass destruction that Saddam was alleged to have possessed were shipped to Syria after inspectors were sent by the United Nations to find them.
[color=blue]One of the chief ideologists behind the war, Richard Perle, yesterday warned that the US would be compelled to act against Syria if it emerged that weapons of mass destruction had been moved there by Saddam's fallen Iraqi regime. [/color]
[url=http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,935959,00.html]http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,122...,935959,00.html[/url]
2003-04-14 16:43 | User Profile
If we attack Syria, we should first sucker them into disarming before we attack. It's so much easier to shoot someone after you tell them that you won't shoot them if they drop their gun. On the other hand, I don't think the US has any credibility left.
We see North Korea has stepped up its nuclear program. Iran seems to have developed a very strong interest in nuclear power; strange considering their wealth of oil for energy. Bush has made nukes more popular than ever as nukes appear to be the only defense against American aggression. And, of course, Bush and Clinton made terrorism (retribution) against the US more popular than ever. Why doesn't someone in Washington just consider secure borders and minding our own business?
2003-04-14 18:12 | User Profile
Why doesn't someone in Washington just consider secure borders and minding our own business?
What fun would that be?
2003-04-19 02:09 | User Profile
**BBC: Banned weapons: where are they? By Paul Reynolds "...if they are not found there will be recriminations. The war was justified on the grounds that Iraq had not complied with UN resolutions to declare and destroy them."
url: [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2949441.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea...ast/2949441.stm[/url]
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2003-04-29 05:20 | User Profile
Still none found!!!! :lol:
**Revealed: How the road to war was paved with lies Intelligence agencies accuse Bush and Blair of distorting and fabricating evidence in rush to war by Raymond Whitaker The case for invading Iraq to remove its weapons of mass destruction was based on selective use of intelligence, exaggeration, use of sources known to be discredited and outright fabrication, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.
[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=400805]http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politi...sp?story=400805[/url]
Reports of weapons 'greatly exaggerated' - (Alex Jones) [url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-658453,00.html]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59...-658453,00.html[/url]
Ex-CIA Analysts on the Pretext for War WMD: Where? Find? Plant? - (J. Orlin Grabbe) [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/vips04262003.html]http://www.counterpunch.org/vips04262003.html[/url]
Blix: 'US undermined inspectors' - (Jeff Rense) [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2966639.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2966639.stm[/url]
What happened to Iraqâââ‰â¢s "weapons of mass destruction"? [url=http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/wmd-a22.shtml]http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/...3/wmd-a22.shtml[/url] **
2003-04-29 05:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by Faust@Apr 29 2003, 05:20 ** The case for invading Iraq to remove its weapons of mass destruction was based on selective use of intelligence, exaggeration, use of sources known to be discredited and outright fabrication, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.
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Great find!
No surprises, though.
As I wrote above three weeks ago, the "world will little note nor long remember."
They'll get away with it. They always get away with it.
Walter