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2003-03-29 07:49 | User Profile
U.S. Orders Troops 'Pause' in Iraq What is going on?
** U.S. Orders Troops 'Pause' 4-6 Days
NewsMax Wires
Saturday, March 29, 2003 US military commanders have ordered all U.S. ground forces to stop and pause for the next 4 to 6 days, Fox News reports.
Citing a Reuters wire report, Fox said military commanders have worried the US lines of supply may bve over stretched, and that frontline troops are short on supplies, including food and water.
url: [url=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/29/00226.shtml]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../29/00226.shtml[/url] **
2003-03-29 11:06 | User Profile
Front-line troops are on 1 MRE per day. That's 1,200 calories.
Join the Army! Lose a few pounds! And maybe even your legs!
2003-03-30 22:37 | User Profile
**Pause Could Last "35 to 40 Days" As Troops Dig Trenches, Lay Mines Field Commanders Get Different Orders Than The Pentagon Tells The Press
3/30/03 5:15:41 PM Discuss this story in the forum Reuters
Washington, DC -- [LSN: US reinforcements cannot meaningfully be in place until mid-April, and likely won't be deployed until near the end of April.]
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U.S. Land Advance Could Pause for Weeks-Military
Sun Mar 30, 6:14 AM ET
CENTRAL IRAQ (Reuters) - Some U.S. troops said on Sunday they had been told a pause in land advances from the south toward Baghdad could be extended by several wee... Click here for more
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2003-03-31 06:42 | User Profile
Now this is bad news. Things could get ugly.
Pause Could Last "35 to 40 Days" As Troops Dig Trenches, Lay Mines Field Commanders Get Different Orders Than The Pentagon Tells The Press
Also see:
U.S. Warns Syria, Iran to Stay Out(of Iraq War) [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=7012]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=ST&f=5&t=7012[/url]
The big thread:
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (Pages 1 2 ) I do not belive that 250,000 troops
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=6906]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=ST&f=5&t=6906[/url]
2003-03-31 07:31 | User Profile
Regardless of the immoral men promoting this war, that this country's forces will not have this war won in ten days to two weeks is a grave indictment of the stupidity of a generation's worth of military social-engineering. Hey, Mr America-Is-An-Idea....you wanted black and women officers whether any were remotely qualified and now you got em, saints preserve us.
Add "the military" to the list of everything else that has be thoroughly gutted and stripped before it can be rebuilt. Nothing goes right until we go white.
2003-03-31 13:22 | User Profile
In '95, during the media blitz that accompanied the 50 year anniversary of the end of WWII, Carl Rowan, obviously annoyed by the 24X7 footage of white GI's storming [font=Times]fill in the blanks here[/font], reluctantly gave them their due with the addendum that "of course, the modern army because of it's diversity" was a much more effective one.
Rumsfeld is the guy who is beginning to annoy me. The corporate class in America today is a far cry from the Engine Charlie Wilson's of 50 years ago. They seem more like the French Aristocracy prior to the Revolution.
Rummie reminds me of that other Mother of all know it alls, Bob McNamara, who we were constantly being reminded was a boy genius while he was in the act of overruling the pentagon brass.
Remember the F111 debacle? The penatagon wanted a new fighter, a new fighter bomber and a new carrier warplane. The Whiz Kid decided that to save money we would design one plane that did all 3. After all, that's the way it was done at Ford, or wherever.
The result was the F111. A plane that did all 3 things equally poorly.
So here is Ole Rummie 40 years later with that same smug know it all attitude leading us into another military disaster in the east.
When you watch his press conferences doesn't he remind you of the smart assed 4th grade kid who thinks the teacher is his intellectual and social inferior and treats him accordingly?
It is truly a pity that there is no tradition in the American military of resigning over a matter of principle.
2003-03-31 19:35 | User Profile
Rummy even looks like McNamara.
Glasses? Check. Hair? Check. Smirk? Double check.
2003-03-31 22:03 | User Profile
**Rumsfeld is the guy who is beginning to annoy me. The corporate class in America today is a far cry from the Engine Charlie Wilson's of 50 years ago. They seem more like the French Aristocracy prior to the Revolution. **
EVZ, Rummy is a hideous individual; smirking, condescending, arrogant; he certainly gives me the heebee jeebee creepers. I can certainly hear him say "Let them eat cake"....or maybe tacos? :blink: However, there may be a revolution brewing somewhere. The War on Iraq is disgraceful. Disgraceful chapter in American history. The polarizing edicts of this administration are profoundly affecting national discourse and resolve. We are so far away from the Constitution and getting farther away everyday; large segments of the populace are alienated; many people are really angry and voiceless and nowhere to go for redress of grievances; taxes and "cost of living" are demolishing the middle class; the elite and upper classes default on serving the country at war while sending middle and lower class kids off to fight the wars; this country right now, our destiny, our lives, is all on the shoulders of an all voluntary multicultural Armed Forces. I can only see it ending badly. Hope not. We'll see.
2003-03-31 23:02 | User Profile
Wasn't it Robert McNamara who said of Vietnam, something like: "We thought we went there to fight communism, but we ended up fighting nationalism." ?
2003-03-31 23:58 | User Profile
Is Rumsfeld a Jew? Aziz, the Iraqi diplomat said he was.
2003-04-01 00:02 | User Profile
A "rummy" jew...now that would explain many things.
2003-04-01 05:01 | User Profile
Far as I can tell, Rumsfeld is an unkosher Frank. Of course,he might be a gentile cut from the Cal Thomas/Geo Will cloth.
2003-04-01 05:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Apr 1 2003, 00:01 ** Far as I can tell, Rumsfeld is an unkosher Frank. Of course,he might be a gentile cut from the Cal Thomas/Geo Will cloth. **
In this episode, we learn that Rumsfeld is Jewish only in his dreams and in his character. We also learn from jonathanpollard.org about integrity and principles, and their centrality to the kosher experience. And we learn about what it takes to serve this great country of ours- only, we're not sure which country we're talking about here. Take a pick, already; your questions are most unbecoming and unJewish...
Joseph Lieberman from a Torah Perspective Rabbi David B. Hollander - The Jewish Press, (NY) - January 17, 2003 [url=http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2003/011703.htm]http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2003/011703.htm[/url]
Many years ago in Eastern Europe, the poritz - feudal landlord - for whom a Jewish caretaker worked, pleasantly surprised his Jewish employee. This rich, powerful poritz asked the humble Jew to invite him to the upcoming Passover seder. He had heard a lot about a seder and was anxious to witness one. The poritz came and was fascinated with all that he saw and the melodies he heard. But one ritual impressed him most: the conclusion, when all arose and with great fervor prayed: "Leshana haba'a bi Yerushayim" - next year in Jerusalem!".
Through the poritz did not understand one word, the sheer fervor made him inquire. He was told that the Jews were persecuted, and therefore, they prayed to G-d to return them to Jerusalem.
When the next Passover season came around, the poritz came to the seder again. The Jewish host feared that the poritz might ask him tauntingly, "What happened to your last years' prayer - next year in Jerusalem?" So he uttered a prayer asking, "G-d help us, return us to Zion, for I am ashamed of this non-Jew!"
This story recently came to mind when Senator Joseph Lieberman was in Israel and announced as loudly as he could that the Jews have no right to live on "occupied territory." We are painfully ashamed because very recently, a non-Jew, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, defended Israel, and pointedly referred to the West Bank as "so-called occupied territory." Senator Lieberman, who calls himself an Orthodox Jew, does not stop from pontificating that part of the Holy Land given by G-d to the Jews is forbidden to Jews.
Mr. Hirsch Wolf, a prominent Orthodox Jew, known as a vigorous supporter of Torah schools in Israel, commented a few days ago that Senator Lieberman should move out of Connecticut, because that state and other states are all occupied territory, taken by Europeans from the native Indians.
Yes, there is alas, a gaping divide between the modern Joseph Lieberman and the Joseph of whom we read in this week's sedra (Torah reading) who, despite his rise from an immigrant slave to the heights of political power, did not change and remained the original "Joseph the righteous" (Rashi on Shemos 1:5).
What about the Josephs of our time who rose to high political position? Are they the same Josephs they were before they reached out for even higher positions? It is on account of Joseph's legacy to all Jews that Moshe Rabbeinu carried aloft for all to see the bones of Joseph to be buried in Eretz Yisrael even as the rest of the Jews were busily engaged in filling their pockets with the precious jewels left by the Egyptians.
Our sages comment on the words in the Sedra "And Moshe took with him the bones of Joseph" (Shemos 13:18). They say that while all Jews were busy with the loot left by the drowning Egyptians, Moshe was occupying himself with the mitzvah of keeping the oath taken by the Jews in Egypt to take with them the bones of Joseph (Yalkut Shimoni 2:27).
What lesson from Joseph's life did Moshe seek to impart to the Jews at this critical turning point of exodus from slavery to freedom?
Joseph was the authentic prototype of the Jew who recognises that despite the great heights he may reach in the diaspora, he must assume that he will not be allowed to keep the gains that he attained, nor will his contributions to his adopted country be appreciated by posterity. Therefore, he should like the Joseph of old, hold on to his heritage and transmit it to his children.
It is difficult to have such high expectation from our modern American Joseph. Yet, one would still expect some humility, some integrity and some fairness in judging who is at fault in the current terror war in the State of Israel. Lieberman deplored the "desperate" humanitarian condition of the Palestinians without stating clearly that the sole responsibility for this "desperate humanitarian condition" of the Palestinians lies with the Arabs, who train their sons and daughters to kill themselves in the process of killing Jews.
This shows how far the current Joseph has drifted from his Biblical namesake. He wears his alleged Orthodoxy on his sleeve and uses it as a campaigning point. This is most unbecoming and un-Jewish.
Judaism teaches Jews not to make our religion a tool for personal gain. It is not possible to calculate the damage to Israel that is the direct result of his shocking partiality to the open enemies of both Israel and America. The use of the term "Orthodox Jew" of "observant Jew" who does not travel on the Sabbath or eat non-Kosher food is totally irrelevant to one's fitness to serve this great country. Being an Orthodox Jew requires first integrity and principles.
We are now celebrating Tu B'Shavat, the New Year of the Trees. Our sages point out that fruit-bearing trees are not heard (the fruit absorbs the sound of the wind), while the non-fruit bearing trees are heard, and when the latter challenges the former asking why their sound is not heard, they answer "We do not need to be heard for our fruit speaks for us" (Bereishit Rabbah 16).
The is a lesson to all. We need less sound and more fruit! The loud, false accusation about Jews in "occupied territory" can only yield bitter fruit.
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2003-04-01 05:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Mar 31 2003, 07:31 ** Regardless of the immoral men promoting this war, that this country's forces will not have this war won in ten days to two weeks is a grave indictment of the stupidity of a generation's worth of military social-engineering. Hey, Mr America-Is-An-Idea....you wanted black and women officers whether any were remotely qualified and now you got em, saints preserve us.
Add "the military" to the list of everything else that has be thoroughly gutted and stripped before it can be rebuilt. Nothing goes right until we go white. **
I was in the Navy over 20 years ago. I had a black officer over me who once asked me to plot coordinates on a map, which I did with alacrity. Hey, I finished the 9th grade, you know? Then he started asking me all these questions about what I was doing, how I was doing it, what those numbers meant, how I knew where to make the dot with my marker. It became clear that he really had no idea what "dem numbas was" and how they related to a map. I tried to explain it to him, but there was no use. This man was a college grad, but he clearly had at most an IQ of 90. Max. He was just dumb. He wasn't a bad guy, actually - he had a great sense of humor and he tried to be fair. But he was just dumb. He would have been a good enlisted man in some non-technical field, but he had no business holding a Navy commission.
It's gone downhill from there - gotten much, much worse. Having women on ships - I mean, what the f**k are they thinking? That's just NUTS. The Navy quashes statistics on how many of them get knocked up, or how many senior enlisted men and officers bang junior enlisted women DESTROYING the all-important chain of command. Same with the Army. I mean, women if COMBAT UNITS?!
To my mind it's really all over - it's just a question of time of when, not whether, the whole thing collapses.
It will collapse. Our job is to create the base structures that will survive the collapse and provide the foundation for a new order.
Walter
2003-04-01 06:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by Faust@Mar 31 2003, 06:42 **Now this is bad news. Things could get ugly.
Pause Could Last "35 to 40 Days" As Troops Dig Trenches, Lay Mines Field Commanders Get Different Orders Than The Pentagon Tells The Press
Also see:
U.S. Warns Syria, Iran to Stay Out(of Iraq War) [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=7012]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=ST&f=5&t=7012[/url]
The big thread:
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (Pages 1 2 ) I do not belive that 250,000 troops
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=6906]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=ST&f=5&t=6906[/url]**
Just for the record, everything is still going to plan of course. The initial plan hasn't failed.
Just like the Germans in WWII on the eastern front, never retreated. They just underwent "a strategic retrenchment to stronger positions".
Ari Fleischer could do Joseph Goebbels proud. Although I think all Press Secretaries study Goebbels, even if they don't admit it.
2003-04-01 07:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by Walter Yannis@Mar 31 2003, 21:50 It's gone downhill from there - gotten much, much worse.
Walter, I watched part of the speech Bush made at the war rally last week and at one point he was quivering as he almost started to cry, so moved he was by the great moment. A day or two later I watched a marine officer being interviewed in southern Iraq, and while he was talking about his affection for the wonderful men under his command he had to stop for a moment when he got all choked up and almost started blubbering. A while later I watched a soldier being interviewed and he did start crying, with tears rolling down his cheek as he talked about the great mission he was on. None of these guys had even been in a fight yet. Why is everybody crying? This can't be a good sign...
2003-04-01 08:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by Wayland@Apr 1 2003, 01:22 A while later I watched a soldier being interviewed and he did start crying, with tears rolling down his cheek as he talked about the great mission he was on. None of these guys had even been in a fight yet. Why is everybody crying? This can't be a good sign...
Great observation. During the World War I he probably would have being discharged as mentally unsound or shot for cowardice. The West is degenerate, we are macho not masculine; effeminate not feminine.
Hell even during Vietnam nobody would have shown footage of a soldier crying, it would having being devastating for moral. Tears are for the graveside.
2003-04-01 08:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by Wayland@Apr 1 2003, 07:22 ** > Originally posted by Walter Yannis@Mar 31 2003, 21:50 It's gone downhill from there - gotten much, much worse.
Walter, I watched part of the speech Bush made at the war rally last week and at one point he was quivering as he almost started to cry, so moved he was by the great moment. A day or two later I watched a marine officer being interviewed in southern Iraq, and while he was talking about his affection for the wonderful men under his command he had to stop for a moment when he got all choked up and almost started blubbering. A while later I watched a soldier being interviewed and he did start crying, with tears rolling down his cheek as he talked about the great mission he was on. None of these guys had even been in a fight yet. Why is everybody crying? This can't be a good sign... **
Yeah, they got into all this sensitivity training nonsense - when the entire point of basic training is to de-sensitize men so that they can kill the enemy.
The IP's feminist and PeeCee wings spent the last twenty years undermining the very thing they now need to wage the war on Israel's enemies - a lesson the IP's neocon wing may be about to learn.
If this war drags on long enough, all of that Izzy social engineering is going out the window. The IP will suddenly realize that they can't afford to subvert white and Christian American power and then expect that power to defend their real country, Israel.
Hopefully, it will be too late for them, as our own people will have awakened by then.
I think that we're seeing the first signs now of white gentile exasperation with the IP - Perl was forced out of his Pentagon job, the Army just booted Israeli journalists out of Iraq. I expect more in the weeks ahead.
Walter
2003-04-01 18:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by heritagelost@Mar 31 2003, 17:58 ** Is Rumsfeld a Jew? Aziz, the Iraqi diplomat said he was. **
Aziz referred to Rumsfeld last fall saying, "who can believe this Zionist Jew." Or something like that. It might have been "lying Jew", but he definately called Rumsfeld a Jew.
2003-04-01 21:13 | User Profile
Originally posted by heritagelost@Apr 1 2003, 12:25 Aziz referred to Rumsfeld last fall saying, "who can believe this Zionist Jew." Or something like that. It might have been "lying Jew", but he definately called Rumsfeld a Jew.
He probably meant it as an insult, not a descriptive term. Kinda how college kids call each other fags, even though they're not really accusing each other of being homosexual.