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2003-03-26 03:43 | User Profile
Iraq And Waco - Same Operation, Larger Scale Same End?
By John Kaminski
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Has anybody but me noticed that this tragic and needless Iraq operation is just like Waco?
Most of you remember Waco, that 51-day siege in 1993 in which thugs with badges refused all opportunity to talk to people and figure out what the problem was - if there was actually any problem at all - and instead chose to burn and shoot to death a large number of innocent civilians - 75? 89? 104? - with no debate at all.
Afterwards the government convened a number of utterly rigged investigations and exonerated the federal agents for the horrific deaths of children, women and men. But lost in all the discussion after the atrocity was the reason for why it happened. Why did Waco happen? Do you remember the reason?
Now we face the same situation on a much larger scale. Why did we go to war in Iraq? Do you remember the real reasons?
President Bush insists Saddam Hussein is "a brutal dictator with weapons of mass destruction." Notice how Bush always uses the same phrase.
However, weapons inspectors assembled by the U.S. could find no weapons of mass destruction of any significance. Testimony on the record from 1995 demonstrates that Iraq actually did destroy its WMD shortly after the first Gulf War.
Further, Bush also insists that Saddam is assisting the alleged al-Qaeda terrorists, those phantom menaces who were blamed for the World Trade Center tragedy and also used as an excuse to pulverize Afghanistan. With ample help from the U.S. big business media, polls reveal that a majority of American believes Iraq is connected to the 9/11 attacks, even though a majority of people in the world know that such an assertion is not supported by evidence available to all.
No matter that the entire world points out there can be no connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq because the two are not allies, and philosophically at odds. Al-Qaeda is supposedly a fundamentalist Muslim movement and Saddam is supposedly a secular kind of guy.
All world leaders except those who were bribed by the U.S. opposed an American invasion, but the U.S. cut off debate and just invaded anyway. Since a large invasion force was assembled long before the U.N. debate on the matter, it is clear in hindsight that the invasion would have taken place in any case, and that the U.S. simply had " and has " no regard whatsoever for the opinions of any other countries.
The situation in Waco was similar, although on a scale that was national rather than international. Just as Bush is trying to accumulate large amounts of money for his his friends in the oil business and military support industry (Halliburton), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, supported by many of the same powerful moguls of the war machine, was campaigning for larger congressional funding.
According to author Chuck Missler ("The Rapture"), the raid on the Branch Davidian compound was not staged to enforce the law, but for public relations purposes " and it was bungled.
Any resemblance to the current invasion of Iraq is not coincidental.
There was no evidence that the Davidians had violated any law, Missler wrote. The BATF used fabricated information to obtain a warrant from a careless magistrate. Some of the allegations made on the affidavit were fraudulent, according to Missler.
David Koresh had previously allowed inspections for weapons and had made an offer to talk to BATF agents about their current concerns. Also, Koresh had cooperated with state officials " just as Saddam has cooperated with weapons inspectors " when two previous allegations of child abuse were made.
It has never been determined who fired first at Waco, Missler wrote. A critical piece of evidence " the front door " is missing. Indeed, the federal government saw to it that much evidence was destroyed or burned in the flames. This was not the first time the federal government tampered with or destroyed evidence. Much of this came out in the trial of the people involved with the Ruby Ridge incident, in which the judge reprimanded the government for evidence tampering.
Although the federal government used abuse of the Davidian children as one of the rationales for the assault on the compound, they subjected the children to searchlights at night and the sounds of rabbits being slaughtered, played on loudspeakers round-the-clock, along with other forms of psychological warfare. Finally, the U.S. government wound up killing them.
The "tear gas" the Davidians were subjected to was CS dissolved in methylene chloride. CS is a highly toxic military gas which is banned for warfare use by international treaty. Government infrared tapes support the thesis that it was the government that started the fire, with methylene chloride, not the Branch Davidians.
Missler reports that according to Dr. Edward Allard, former head of the Defense Department's Night Vision Laboratory, the infrared images show conclusively that the Davidians were machine-gunned as they tried to flee the burning building.
And yet, official history records all this as a minor skirmish in a sleepy Texas town, in which the U.S. government killed a bunch of people for reasons that remain fuzzy, and that no one " except the surviving victims " was punished.
The remarkable aspect of the similarities between Iraq and Waco is not in the specific facts, but in the process that created the conditions for U.S. government mass murder of innocents.
It is a process that is readily observable in all of these feloniously constructed emergencies that have afflicted the U.S. public over the past 15 years: both World Trade Center disasters, the Ruby Ridge ambush, the Oklahoma City demolition, and now Iraq.
A mysterious crime supposedly happens, the government responds with overwhelmingly lethal force, subsequent investigations are riddled with instances of evidence manipulation, and government perpetrators are exonerated.
It is obvious to the more suspicious among us that the U.S. government creates all these pretexts for armed aggression against innocent people for a single purpose " to increase the profits for and public reliance upon a devastating military monster that reaps billions of dollars for those master manipulative millionaires who own the companies that produce the weapons.
This formula, in fact, also was really clear during the Vietnam war, and probably could be applied in previous conflicts as well, except I was not alive for those and don't know my history well enough to thoroughly analyze them.
But this demonic formula remains unrecognized by a majority of the American people, because they're lazy and accept what they hear on television without asking any questions. A majority of Americans has yet to figure out that what they hear on television is exactly what the rich men who rig these crimes against humanity want them to hear.
Today, with visions of the torn bodies of murdered children and the bumbling perplexity of American soldiers caught in unanticipated sandstorms dancing in their brains, more people are beginning to suspect that a connection exists between the lies told by America's leaders and the deaths wreaked by the American military, even upon their own people.
More people are beginning to realize that the American formula for world economic hegemony involves the continuing mass murder of innocents all over the world for reasons that are dishonest, cynically contrived, and diametrically opposed to all the great teachings provided to us by the most revered religious and philosophical leaders down through history.
Whether enough people will come to realize that the way America deals with the world " by ignoring all questions and objections and killing all those who oppose its greedy schemes " is at this moment in history an unanswerable question.
Whether enough people will come to realize that American policies are about to turn the whole world into a radioactive cinder still remains to be seen, even at this late hour.
John Kaminski is a writer who still believes in the real American dream, with liberty and justice for all, but who has noticed that his country has been hijacked by terrorists in expensive suits. His collection of essays, titled "America's Autopsy Report," is due to be published soon by Dandelion Books.
2003-03-29 20:00 | User Profile
The Waco / Iraq analogy is a good one, and if it holds, the coalition will surround Baghdad without entering until the situation becomes too stressful, and then they will "nuke" the city. Probably, but not certainly, without actually using nukes.
The argument after will be that the people of Baghdad essentially committed suicide. I'll bet you though, the American sheep will buy it without question. No one else though.
Enkidu
2003-03-30 03:19 | User Profile
Originally posted by Enkidu@Mar 29 2003, 20:00 ** The argument after will be that the people of Baghdad essentially committed suicide. I'll bet you though, the American sheep will buy it without question. No one else though.
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Some of the bagheads around here are thinking that way already. It's like a rerun of the Sixties for some of these morons. Happily in this area the skeptical ones are keeping their heads. If only one good thing comes out of this it's that reasonable people are showing themselves. Our local yokel, Dennis ("the menace") Kucinich just came out with a statement saying, let's end this war now. Well! Dennis we hardly knew ye! (But he's still a Buckeye hayseed.)
2003-03-30 03:52 | User Profile
I know nothing about Rep. Kucinich, but he's right, except that he is optimistic about salvaging world opinion of the U. S. That is way beyond salvaging---probably forever.
Strange thing: There has been almost a complete end to TV coverage of the Iraq war here in the last few days. It's eerie, like the war never happened. I watch Telemundo, out of Miami, better news all around.
" Debido a la amplia cobertura del conflicto con Saddam Hussein nuestra programación regular ha cambiado."
--- Owing to the full coverage of the conflict with Saddam Hussein, our regular programming has changed--- In my opinion much more even and well thought out coverage.
I guess even the Hispanics have more snap than we Whites.
Enkidu
At a press conference on 3-28-03, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) became the first Presidential candidate to call for an end to the Iraq War.
"This Administration has never made its case for war against Iraq. It is an unjustified war, which the Administration continues to misrepresent and exaggerate... This war must end now. It was unjust when it started last week, and is still unjust today. The U.S. should get out now and try to save the lives of American troops and Iraqi citizens. Most importantly, ending the war now and resuming weapons inspections could salvage world opinion of the United States, which has been deteriorating since the talk of war began. After all, the greatest threat to the United States at this time is terrorism, which is breeding from this war."
Kucinich, who chairs the House Progressive Caucus, organized the speakout for anti-war Representatives, including Sam Farr (D-CA) and Barbara Lee (D-CA).
[url=http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/0328-06.htm]http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/0328-06.htm[/url]
2003-03-31 09:09 | User Profile
Enkidu, you're right. Check out the big protest planned in Mexico by the politicians. They're not only more serious, they're keeping their interests front and center, something our politicos forgot long time ago. Except, this once, Dennis the Menace.
Mounting Uproar in Latin America Over U.S. Aggression in Iraq
Mexican Senators Planning a Massive Protest in Mexico City
by Hector Carreon
La Voz de Aztlan
[url=http://www.aztlan.net/latinamericanrage.htm]http://www.aztlan.net/latinamericanrage.htm[/url]
Los Angeles, Alta California - March 29, 2003 - (ACN) Huge anti-war demonstrations in Latin America have, as in the Middle East, forced the US State Department to close many of its embassies and consulates for fear of attacks from increasingly angrier masses of protestors. The US Embassy in Costa Rica, the Embassy as well as a Consulate in Ecuador, the Embassy in Bogota, Columbia and the Embassy in Santiago, Chile have closed for fear of being attacked. More embassies and consulates may close as huge demonstrations are being planned in Havana, Cuba and Mexico City.
On Thursday, over 25, 000 Mexicans protested in Puebla and vandalized the McDonald's, Domino's Pizza, and Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurants located in the city's historic Zocalo and which are considered "US symbols". Among the demonstrators were large contingents of students and faculty from the Benemerita Universidad Autónoma de Puebla (BUAP) as well as political and religious leaders and members of the PRI, PAN and PRD political parties. In a speech at the Zocalo, Professor of Economics at the BUAP, Jaime Ornelas Delgado, read a letter to be sent to the UN Security Council urging it to put an immediate stop to the military aggression initiated by Washington and London against the sovereign nation of Iraq. The letter also urged the international community to organize all efforts possible to bring much needed humanitarian aid to the people of Iraq. The president of BUAP, Enrique Guerrero, spoke about the recent discourse at the university by the renown Mexican author Carlos Fuentes in which he said, "There are never winners in wars, we all equally lose; in times of war we all lose our universal and individual rights."
On the same day, in Mexico City, in what is only a precursor to a bigger demonstration in the near future, about 5,000 students and faculty from the Universidad Autonoma de Mexico (UNAM) and workers from the university's STUNAM union demonstrated in front of the US Embassy. With loud shouts in chorus of ''todos somos Irak'' (we are all Iraq), protestors burned a US flag and effigies of Bush and Blair. The protestors at one point broke down the embassy's fence and threw bottles at the building before being stopped by the police. The action was in conjunction with a student, faculty and staff strike that shut down the UNAM for the day.
Meanwhile, La Jornada of Mexico City is reporting that Mexican Senators, Congresspersons and party leaders of the PAN and the PRD are planning the largest demonstration yet against the war that will "fill the streets" of the Mexican capital and send a strong message to Bush to "remove his armies from Iraq." Senator of the PAN party, Javier Corral Jurado said, "It is time for us to lay our party differences aside in order to organize a powerful coalition so that Mexican society at large can adequately expressed its revulsion at the inhumane invasion of Iraq." Senators of the PRD party, Leticia Burgos and Armando ChavarrÃÂa agreed that a massive mobilization is needed in order to help "stop the daily murders of men, women and children in Iraq by anglosaxon troops."
Major demonstrations in other Latin American countries included one in Santiago, Chile in which protestors took over an Esso gasoline station and demanded that it be boycotted. In Bogota, Colombia thousands of youths demonstrated against their president, Alvaro Uribe, and his support of Bush's war against Iraq. In Santiago, Chile, anti-war activists attempted to blow up a branch of the Bank of Boston, mailed supposedly contaminated envelopes to the US Embassy and burned a McDonald's restaurant. In Lima, Peru, protestors marched to the US Embassy and held a candlelight vigil for the children of Iraq who are suffering horrors under daily bombardment by the US/GB Axis. Today, in Cuba, more than 10,000 Cubans denounced the aggression maintained for more than one week by the US and UK governments against Iraq and called on nations and multinational organizations to rescue world peace.
Mexican author Carlos Fuentes said, "There are never winners in wars, we all equally lose." The Iraqi people are losing generations of their young people to death and destruction . . . Americans, however, are losing the respect of the entire world for generations to come.
2003-03-31 14:51 | User Profile
An infrared analyst who was about to testify against the government was found dead the day before his testimony. His name was Carlos Ghigliotty. Here is a [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a390b5a363742.htm]Free Republic[/url] thread on it.
I have been unable to find ANYTHING on this from ANY halfway credible source since the report of his death.
The Waco trial was all down hill for the victims after that. The judge seems to have gotten the message.
Waco was weird. I don't know what happened, but there was something surreal about the whole thing. It was staged . . . somehow it was staged. I don't see what the IP hoped to gain from it, so my mind tells me to back off the conspiracy theories.
Maybe we're dealing here with IP delusions. Waco resides in the fever swamps of their collective imaginings. Christians with weapons. It gives them the creeps. Maybe Waco was IP paranoia run amock?
Anyway, the fact that a key witness can die mysteriously on the eve of his testimony and there be ZERO follow-up from the "free" press has to mean something.
Walter