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Thread ID: 5765 | Posts: 31 | Started: 2003-03-23
2003-03-23 18:26 | User Profile
I do not believe that 250,000 America troops can take over a country of 25 Million and the size of Iraq and with a hardened army of some 300-400,000.
As we watch this illegal war go forward and see the carnage of our use of weapons that are or should be considerd WMDs, devastate the cities and kill civlillans by the thousands, I believe that it will only strengthen the will of the Iraqui citizens to fight to the death for their country.
The outrageous comments of Rummy and his dummy's saying that the recent showing of captured Americans is a violation of the Geneva conventions is so damn laughable when compared to the illegality of this war in the first place.
When we have thousands of captured so-called terrorist in Cuba and elsewhere being held without trials and then scream UNFAIR because of what Iraq is doing, it goes beyond the pale.
I believe that we are all going to witness incredible resistance by the Iraquies and I am somewhat convinced that it will be our troops that will have to retreat and leave Iraq with whatever is left of our forces. I base my opinion on what we would do as Americans if attacked unjustly by a foreign and more powerful enemy.
Your comments are welcomed
2003-03-23 18:55 | User Profile
In total agreement. On FR this AM, some poor soul voiced a similiar opinion and was promptly banned. How can so many idiots be assembeled in the same place, even if it's only in cyberspace.
2003-03-23 20:30 | User Profile
LA.....Yeah, the FR is nothing but a propaganda site for Mossad and the Zionist dream for a Greater Israel. I think Jim Rob should be investigated for his resources that will show that he has recieved funds from Israeli opperatives and is nothing but a traitor to Americans.
Watch as the fighting gets more intense and the Bushwahckers supporting the use of Nukes to take out Saddam....all for getting rid of Iraq's WMDs...what a joke.
2003-03-23 20:49 | User Profile
I respectfully disagree. Our military superiority is so great as to make this a cakewalk.
A lot will depend on the Shiites. If they don't resist, Saddam id finished, and Iraq is ours.
THEN the problems begin.
2003-03-23 20:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ed Toner@Mar 23 2003, 14:49 **
A lot will depend on the Shiites. If they don't resist, Saddam id finished, and Iraq is ours.
**
"Ours?"
2003-03-23 21:30 | User Profile
RECLUSE....."OURS"...hahaha, I think Ed has been brainwashed by our media.
The Shiites are pissed that we ignored them in the last war and really could give a crap. They know that American credibilty is pure bullshit. It will be the Kurds along with our Northern front which can be the biggest problem to Saddam. I can see the Turks, Syrians and Iranians getting involved in this if it goes for longer then 60 day's, then all hell will break loose.
2003-03-23 21:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Mar 23 2003, 15:30 **RECLUSE....."OURS"...hahaha, I think Ed has been brainwashed by our media.
The Shiites are pissed that we ignored them in the last war and really could give a crap. They know that American credibilty is pure bullshit. It will be the Kurds along with our Northern front which can be the biggest problem to Saddam. I can see the Turks, Syrians and Iranians getting involved in this if it goes for longer then 60 day's, then all hell will break loose.**
First, let me emphasize that this is meant to be an informational post, not contentious, there's too damn much infighting in this movement now, but Ed Toner is one of my heroes (ask him about his run-ins with the JDL) and I just posted that as a gentle reminder that this war isn't being fought for American interests. Now let's get back to the real enemy, Zionist Occupation Government.
2003-03-23 22:25 | User Profile
recluse....yes yes yes, I agree. Ed has contributed many good post but I only took exception as did you with his "ours" insertion and made a snide remark about it. Hopefully he will also understand that and not be upset as are you...OK? ̉̉̉
2003-03-23 22:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Mar 23 2003, 16:25 recluse....yes yes yes, I agree. Ed has contributed many good post but I only took exception as did you with his "ours" insertion and made a snide remark about it. Hopefully he will also understand that and not be upset as are you...OK? ̉̉̉
Well i am upset right now but not about this - I just had to go chase a poacher, damn, I despise gay hillbillies who are too effeminate to hunt like real men because they're afraid of being molested by woodland creatures, or at least creatures of the opposite sex, I'm sure they have endless fantasies about randy bucks, so they sit in their worn-out pickups and shoot whatever walks by - I just thought that "brainwashed" was too strong a word to use for Mr. Toner. He deserves more respect.
2003-03-23 23:34 | User Profile
"Respect"....that is something we all have to earn on an individual basis. Quite honestly, I'm too damn old and have seen too much BS to care about respect as it is often used to confuse and abuse those who are taught to revere it.
"gay hillbillies" gessssus h kristo..do you live in Deliverence county? hahahaha
2003-03-24 00:23 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Mar 23 2003, 17:34 **
"gay hillbillies" gessssus h kristo..do you live in Deliverence county? hahahaha**
More about Ed toner:
Ed Toner Forum Member
Registered: Jan 2002 Location: Brick NJ Posts: 838 How I dealt with the JDL In June 1992, I brought the FBI into a problem I was having with the JDL, who at that time had changed their name to JDO (Jewish Defense Organization) because the FBI had the JDL listed as a terrorist organization.
I had written a letter to the editor of The Bayside Times, a Queens NY weekly, in which I commented that I found it odd that so many Jews attended the funeral of a genuine Fascist, Rabbi M. Kahane, who had recently been executed at a public meeting.
This brought a string of letters and phone calls to me, threating to kill me, kill my wife and kids, rape them, torture them, blow up my house and car, etc.
They had a radio show that publicized my name and address, and reminded every Jew of his duty to get me, etc., ad nauseum.
The file is Manhattan Bur. File # 9A-NY-228125, which I got by citing the FOIA. It has 86 pages.
They sent Special Agent James Trahone to my home, where he interviewed me, took the letters I had recieved, and the telephone conversations I had taped. (I started taping them as soon as I got the first threat.)
He suggested I change my phone to an unlisted number. I declined, pointing out that this was more eveidence. He had a bomb expert come to my home, and give me advice about avoiding a bomb by leaving the house through a rear door, inspecting the front of the home, the cars, etc..
He authorized a phone tap which led to the identity of a pay phone on Northern Blvd. Queens, just down the street from the Bayside Times office. I also noticed it was on the corner of a street where a friend of mine lived. Let's call him "John".
I discussed this with John, and he agreed to set up a trap (John, NOT the FBI, who I wanted to do this.) The next time I recieved a call, I chewed the caller out soundly, made many anti-Jewish remarks, etc., then hung up, and called John. He grabbed his camera and went to the area of the phone.
Sure enough "Hymie" (let's use this name) called back, issued more death threats, and John moved in and started taking pictures. Hymie took off, but John had a nice set of prints, which he mailed to me.
Hymie was a big slob of a Jew, about 30, dressed like a bum. No wedding ring, probably just a Mommy's boy. I gave Trahone the prints, and I also gave them to a Long Islander named Donovan, who had taken an interest in my case, as he had heard the radio broadcasts, and contacted me. He was leader of a loose group of about 30 men who really didn't like what the Jews were up to.
Anyway, the calls stopped after I told Hymie exactly what he looked like, and informed him I had given the photo's to Trahone and Donovan. Trahone had visited the editor, a Jew named Snyder. The next isse of the paper had a whole new list of names. The old staff had been fired en-masse.
Trahone then ended the case, citing as a reason there was insufficient evidence to prosecute.
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"gay hillbillies" gessssus h kristo..do you live in Deliverence county? hahahaha
Almost, thank god. We have problems, but nothing like the ones Whites have to contend with in more diverse areas. It's safe for my wife to take an evening stroll down the country lane that borders the property. Now if I owned sheep, I'd be more concerned. :D We really, and this is where I part with the small government/libertarian types, need to organize to create a better class of people, and I'm not averse to taking a look at the Hitler youth camps to see if there's anything there that we can use. I'm sick to death of being governed by morons elected by fools.
2003-03-24 01:44 | User Profile
"Respect"....that is something we all have to earn on an individual basis. Quite honestly, I'm too damn old and have seen too much BS to care about respect as it is often used to confuse and abuse those who are taught to revere it.
Somehow I don't think you're talking about the same thing here.
"gay hillbillies" gessssus h kristo..do you live in Deliverence county? hahahaha
I live about two-three counties south of "Deliverance County" and the beautiful Chatooga. Based on what I see on a regular basis in Atlanta and other metro areas, I'll take that county any day over the multicultural hells found in the more sophisticated places that revere tolerance.
Based on my observations I can also say that "gay hillbilly" is a near cultural impossibility. But you're welcome to attempt to prove otherwise, if you so desire.
2003-03-24 02:32 | User Profile
DRSLICEIT,
All too True.
** The outrageous comments of Rummy and his dummy's saying that the recent showing of captured Americans is a violation of the Geneva conventions is so damn laughable when compared to the illegality of this war in the first place.
When we have thousands of captured so-called terrorist in Cuba and elsewhere being held without trials and then scream UNFAIR because of what Iraq is doing, it goes beyond the pale. **
2003-03-24 06:26 | User Profile
Originally posted by weisbrot@Mar 23 2003, 19:44 Based on my observations I can also say that "gay hillbilly" is a near cultural impossibility. But you're welcome to attempt to prove otherwise, if you so desire.
We have a problem with road hunters in this part of the country, i.e. sissified rural White males who hunt from their vehicles because it's too difficult to stalk game in the woods like an honorable hunter would. Our conservation dept regularly sets up stings for these dummies by placing deer decoys in the woods and arresting these dangerous a$$h*les when they do drive-bys. They're usually just about the worst the White race has to offer, the meth manufacturers with the junk pick-ups and filthy trailers, the thieves, the serial trespassers, and while it may not be accurate to say that they're all faggots, many of them probably would prefer their sister, it is certainly legitimate to question their manhood. Let me add that I have nothing against people who live in trailers, I know a lot of working class Whites who were forced into trailers after they were driven out of the cities by the policies of the two White Flight political parties, but the ones I knew kept their property clean and maintained, unlike so many out here who apparently think that picking up a piece of litter in their yard would put them in mortal danger of breaking a nail.
2003-03-24 07:14 | User Profile
DRSLICEIT,
I agree completely, and I think the worst US and allied casualties will be sustained during the actual ground fighting in Baghdad. Even if the US completely bombs that city into rubble, as soon as ground troops go in there the Iraqis will start be popping up all over the place and taking shots at the occupiers from all sides. That recent ambush is just a quick peek at what's ahead.
Baghdad will probably never be completely under our control. Even after US soldiers have firmly embedded themselves everywhere in the city, there will continue to be low-intensity conflict brought on by guerilla-style attacks. Moreover, after the US has established a puppet government in Iraq, there will probably be resistance against the new regime, not to mention unrest on account of the destabilization of the rival ethnic groups.
2003-03-24 12:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Mar 23 2003, 18:26 **I do not believe that 250,000 America troops can take over a country of 25 Million and the size of Iraq and with a hardened army of some 300-400,000.
**
DRSLICEIT
Great post. Here's exactly what you're talking about-
[url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=516368&page=&view=&sb=&part=1&vc=1&o=]http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?C...&part=1&vc=1&o=[/url]
2003-03-24 16:54 | User Profile
JAVELIN....thanks for the post and the article which mirrors my sentiments exactly. Perhaps we need to get our ass burnt badly and learn not to vote into office, the zionist lemmings who are forcing us to do these stupid wars on innocent people.
A couple of sites that all of you forum members may enjoy if you have not already been to them.
[url=http://www.waroniraq.org]http://www.waroniraq.org[/url]
[url=http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org]http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org[/url]
Also, did anyone see the 3 hour long speeches made on C-Span saturday?
One man that should be running for our President is that of Joseph Cirincione and if anyone has not heard of this man or watched him speak out against this illegal war, please go to Google and check out his positions as well as his site.
Thank all of you for the comments.
2003-03-24 21:43 | User Profile
DRSLICEIT (Posted: Mar 23 2003, 12:26)
**I do not believe that 250,000 America troops can take over a country of 25 Million and the size of Iraq and with a hardened army of some 300-400,000.
As we watch this illegal war go forward and see the carnage of our use of weapons that are or should be considerd WMDs, devastate the cities and kill civlillans by the thousands, I believe that it will only strengthen the will of the Iraqui citizens to fight to the death for their country...
believe that we are all going to witness incredible resistance by the Iraquies and I am somewhat convinced that it will be our troops that will have to retreat and leave Iraq with whatever is left of our forces. [color=blue]I base my opinion on what we would do as Americans if attacked unjustly by a foreign and more powerful enemy.[/color] Your comments are welcomed **
I suspect most Americans would roll over and collaborate. Those who believe otherwise get their sense of history from movies. Well trained professional armies have always prevailed since the days of Alexander through Napoleon to Guderian.
Ed Toner did write:> **I respectfully disagree. Our military superiority is so great as to make this a cakewalk.
A lot will depend on the Shiites. If they don't resist, Saddam id finished, and Iraq is ours.
[color=blue]THEN the problems begin[/color].**
From D-Day, 6 June 1944, to V-E day, 8 May 1945, the United States lost about 140,000 dead in Europe, or about 13,000 a month or 400 per day. The Russians to lose 20,000,000 in almost 4 years had to average about 15,000 dead per day. I seriously doubt if the United States could have sustained losses one-quarter of that. Until now American losses have been exceptionally light in Iraq.
Though I was against this war I suspect the domestic upset and violence that would ensue if Americans could not fuel or heat at our prices just may rupture this nation. To occupy Iraq I suggest taking a look at India. They have the manpower and animus towards Islam. (I suspect the Jewish cabal has already investigated.) Ed Toner is correct that our real problems will start in the aftermath.
2003-03-24 23:29 | User Profile
From [url=http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1035776772542&call_pageid=968332188492]Iraq's Troubled Children of War[/url]
"Is there anyone who doesn't hate America?" asks Ali Naim, a 15-year-old with a deep head wound that has never completely healed, after a stray American bomb hit his house in the southern city of Basra. "All they want is to occupy and destroy our country. They want to exploit our oil and take our resources."
This view is almost universal among Iraqis, many of whom would shed few tears for Saddam and his regime if they were ousted ââ¬â but insist they would fight any foreign force that tried to occupy the country.
Their anger against Saddam may be veiled for their own security, in this police state where torture, detention and execution are routine. But their hostility to America and its allies is just as real, and openly expressed. Even those who have publicly criticized the Baathist regime, and suffered for it, believe it is now too late for Washington to expect a triumphal entry into Baghdad, with flowers thrown by grateful Iraqis.
"If that's what they believe, they will be badly disappointed," says Dr. Hussein Sharistani, an exiled senior Iraqi physicist who was imprisoned for refusing to mastermind the construction of a nuclear bomb.
"These are the same people that heard the president of the United States in 1991 tell them to rise up and free themselves from this tyranny, and when they did, the Americans not only betrayed them and left them to face massacres, but allowed Saddam to use his forces against the people. Now, they are in no mood to welcome an American presence."
The CBC also showed a good documentary about these people called [url=http://www.cbc.ca/witness/iraq/stories.html]Generation of Hate[/url]. "If the Americans come here, my friends and I will fight them. We are hiding a plot for them."
2003-03-25 01:57 | User Profile
If the figures for dead and wounded follow those of WW1 WW2 Korea and Vietnam, we will suffer 17,000 casualties. If however we are to be lucky to have the casualties on a level of those in the Gulf War, the figures would be less then 300.
My feeling is that all bets are off and what will happen over the next six months will change all statistics in the future.
2003-03-25 02:57 | User Profile
Its just a big mess isn't it. Sadaam is likely deep under Baghdad, with an imploded abdomen and third-degree burns ( according to a recent supposed British intercept of a call to Moscow for medical care for a " senior Iraqi official " )
It matters, for sure, but not as much as the empty refugee camps and willingness of Iraqis ( they're not even drunk by the way ) to ride in pick-up trucks and shoot machine-gun fire into oncoming American tanks, Bradley fighting machines and the full armor of US. We by-pass the hot spots, while the biggest hot spot is still in front of us, we can take control, but that bitter gain is going to make a lot of soldiers wonder why ... why.. you can only convince yourself that the enemy that confronts you, knowing it will die, is somehow doing this out of fear for Sadaam or brainwahing for so long. Both sides have reasons to deny the death of President Hussein. The Iraqis, to show strength. The American Administration, to serve an excuse for all the mass opposition. Because if opposition is proved to continue after Sadaam is dead, then Bush has not only crossed the Rubicon, he's crossed Arab pride to the point where it could take generations for the United States to mend. Final Score ??? The next President will determine that. Just like Johnson immersed this nation in the shame of Vietnam, it will take another President to remove our troops from this ... because I guarantee that the deaths and fighting are sure to continue until the US military leaves the region. Major mistake by Bush, so major ... he even fooled himself. Sooner or later, he will realize this, perhaps when he writes his memoirs in 30 years.
2003-03-25 08:57 | User Profile
The Chimp got himself - and all of us - into this bear trap because he was hopped-up on a noxious mix of jew flattery-lies, erroneous Biblical interpretation & the desire to avenge the attempted snuffing of Poppy. He began to hallucinate that he was destined to be a Great Wartime President, and more: the Sword of the Lord, conqueror of All That Is Evil.
So, many good White people will die on the sand-blasted battlefields of a worthless sh-thole halfway around the world - and on the trash-strewn streets of what was once America.
2003-03-25 15:25 | User Profile
That sums it up nicely, NBF.
2003-03-26 01:21 | User Profile
Allies Risk 3000 Casualties in Baghdad - Ex-General
[url=http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2440692]http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?...storyID=2440692[/url]
Mon March 24, 2003 09:39 PM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - The U.S.-led force in Iraq risks as many as 3,000 casualties in the battle for Baghdad and Washington has underestimated the number of troops needed, a top former commander from the 1991 Gulf War said on Monday.
Retired U.S. Army General Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division 12 years ago, said the U.S.-led force faced "a very dicey two to three day battle" as it pushes north toward the Iraqi capital.
"We ought to be able to do it (take Baghdad)," he told the Newsnight Program on Britain's BBC Television late on Monday.
"In the process if they (the Iraqis) actually fight, and that's one of the assumptions, clearly it's going to be brutal, dangerous work and we could take, bluntly, a couple to 3,000 casualties," said McCaffrey who became one of the most senior ranking members of the U.S. military following the 1991 war.
"So if they (the Americans and British) are unwilling to face up to that, we may have a difficult time of it taking down Baghdad and Tikrit up to the north west."
McCaffrey said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had misjudged the nature of the conflict. Asked if Rumsfeld made a mistake by not sending more troops to start the offensive, McCaffrey replied: "Yes, sure. I think everybody told him that."
"I think he thought these were U.S. generals with their feet planted in World War II that didn't understand the new way of warfare," he added.
U.S. forces have advanced more than 200 miles into Iraqi territory since the start of the war and are beginning to confront an elite division of the Republican Guards deployed to defend the capital.
"So it ought to be a very dicey two to three day battle out there." McCaffrey said of the confrontation with the Republican Guards.
He said his personal view was that the invading troops would "take them (the Iraqis) apart."
"But we've never done something like this with this modest a force at such a distance from its bases," he warned.
McCaffrey, a former Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces in Latin America, served overseas for 13 years and took part in four combat tours.
He twice received the Distinguished Service Cross, the second highest medal for valor in the United States.
2003-03-26 12:12 | User Profile
I see that our General Frankenstein has decided to hold off entering Baghdad this AM untill the situation can be discussed over a case of Bud and a bag of pretzels with the other warmongers.
2003-03-29 17:17 | User Profile
I wonder if someone in the Pentagon read this topic and woke the hell up.
2003-03-29 23:59 | User Profile
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2003-03-30 10:44 | User Profile
The "Related threads" all came after I posted this topic on the 23rd but bear out similar thinking.
Now that the Bushwhacker Bandits have realized they need thousands more troops to lay siege to Baghdad, you can look forward to the complete and utter devastation without regard to Iraqui civilian lives.
I don't believe that we will enter Baghdad but decimate the city block by block and starve them to a point of unconditional surrender. The Jews have demanded that American and British forces hand over Iraq no matter at what expense or loss of life on both sides are incurred.
2003-04-01 01:06 | User Profile
Over the last 24 hrs our National Lawn Ornaments (Colon Powwow) & (Congosleeze Slice) have pledged their allegiance to the bastard Zionist and also made vile threats towards Syria and Iran. What really bothers the hell out of me is that no one is questioning the loyality of these damn sellouts and demanding that Israel be subject to sanctions for continued attacks on the Palestinians.
2003-04-01 11:54 | User Profile
To see the truth behind the zionist agenda and our sellouts like Congosleeze Slice, go to this site..
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then type "israel" in the search box which will take you to a list of articles, go to number 7 and read the statement there.
2003-04-02 03:35 | User Profile
Has anyone seen the report about hundreds of Israelies dying on the streets of cities due to some white substance being dispatched from gliders off the coast of Israel?
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