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Thread ID: 5698 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2003-03-21
2003-03-21 21:20 | User Profile
Friends, I'm falling into clear despair. Possibly guilt too. Mind if I vent?
The War Machine in all its elaborately synchronized schematically polished detail looms over me like it's doing (done?) to Saddam Hussein himself. I'm sinking into endless self-doubt about my own beliefs about our country at war, political ideals, and fellow Americans too.
I cannot articulate with the masses. Are they all right and I'm wrong? They seem completely justified in hysterically proclaiming the sheer beauty of the war, hence their unfailing patriotism for their country; their good ol' USA. My words stop short. Did you ever serve in the military? Fight in a war? Faced death? Lost a fight? Personally talk to Rumsfeld? Ever answer any question without the assistance of TV?
I'm getting tired of being cynical or am I really cynical? I don't think my mind and spirit can keep it up. I'm a simple Christian against aggression and arrogance and a seeker of truth and reason, but all around me, in every corner of my surroundings those things, made of men, are breaking me down. I won't question the question.
From The Government Entity and The Ministry of Media; Mr Frum's last article; my family to friends to co-workers to the guy who cooks my slice of pizza, their weighty Slogan Reigns Supreme: [color=blue][u]Conform yourself to our thinking or be cast out to the outer depths of Hell.[/u][/color]
Thanks for listening OD. Share any thoughts you have. For now, I might need a drink.
2003-03-21 21:43 | User Profile
No, you're right and the TV-addled masses are wrong, and you touch on that key aspect in your post. Where do the masses get their news and views about this war, and how do they formulate their politics? The mass media, of course. They repeat all the same key phrases and such, like trained seals. And who controls the mass media--who benefits from the ideas the mass media propagates? Answer those questions and you'll find you're on solid ground. Sure, the sense of disconnection and isolation at the intellectual/emotional level with the majority of your fellow countrymen may be an uncomfortable feeling at times, because you're "out of step" with the parade, but that feeling is also one that can remind you of your own individual freedom of thought and intellectual independence. Apparently, your situation is a reminder that freedom isn't free, because you're "awake," you can no longer bask in the warm comfort of the herd. No more Garden of Eden for you. ;)
2003-03-21 21:54 | User Profile
The Blue Pill people....
"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."
2003-03-21 22:03 | User Profile
Learn to live and prosper under adverse conditions. (And derive pleasure in being smarter and cynical?)
Being different is a strength, just as being cynical. Try to find benefits in them, rather than trying to be with the sheep.
2003-03-21 22:17 | User Profile
Think of this war as 'setting the harpoon in Leviathan.' There is no escape for ZOG, now.
2003-03-21 22:38 | User Profile
xmetalhead,
Be confident. History will vindicate our position. The nonstop barrage of news, rumors, and propaganda causes confusion and self-doubt even in the most dedicated, until you adjust to it. Relax, turn off the TV, and radio and listen to some music or read a book until the initial barrage wears itself out. Yes, by all means have a drink - as long as it's a German Beer or French wine. ;)
2003-03-21 23:36 | User Profile
Well, I'm here for one reason, I know that it's essential for Whites to retain or regain control of their own destiny. There's no question about that in my mind. While I'm usually a coward if that option is available, in this case the only choice is to stand and fight, and I hope that that "backed into a corner" mentality that caused me to chase six congoids across a busy intersection several years ago will sustain me through this struggle. (Jeez, part of that sounds like a speech at a "Free Mumia" rally :blink:) But the fact is we're the last line of defense against Zimbabwe II, or the gulags, so we have to stick it out. And it's not all bad, there are some of the brightest, funniest, most difficult to fool people that I've ever seen in this movement and it's been a real pleasure learning from them. Go back with the Lemmings? Nah, too damn boring!
2003-03-22 00:07 | User Profile
Wintermute, excellent advice and practical outline for action. This thread should be made a "sticky" at the top of this subforum so that newcomers can find it easily and use it as a resource.
2003-03-22 00:36 | User Profile
**P.S. This part should go without saying, but don't watch television. I mean it! I can't think of a worse way to aggravate the social conditioning you're trying to remove. Take a media fast ( a long one, if you can) and if you must watch, make it a rented movie. Live feed is the Devil's Lantern! **
Add AM talk radio to that list as well. Outside of a few dissenting voices like Alex Jones or Jeff Rense, it's even more sensational propaganda for the War Party than TV, and considerably crasser and in-your-face.
2003-03-22 01:47 | User Profile
you said " I'm a simple Christian against aggression and arrogance and a seeker of truth and reason, but all around me, in every corner of my surroundings those things, made of men, are breaking me down. "
xmetalhead, as a saved soul indwelt by the Lord Jesus Christ, ( no I'm not going to call him Yahshua ) you are in Covenant with God ( no I will not call Him YHVH ) for all time, even when time passes on this Earth.
Your own God told you that all this would come to pass, and you know it. It is the coming culmination of our personal wills in concert with His reason for creating Us.
I searched the web and was just very dissapointed. Upon 20 + searches on 3 different engines for the Nicene Creed, not one of them, even some Catholic by name are the same as the one I recite in church right now. There are differences. I am posting to you the way I Say the Creed in Church as we say it, not as posted on the web. I say " men " I say " in fulfillment " not " in accordance " I say " born of " not " incarnate " , and there is more. I don't even want to dare try and search the web for The Profession of the Faith... I would be here all night ... but, XMetalhead, recite this as you are a Christian. and remember that all that is happenning is a manifestation of your own Personal Salvation. Don't confuse Catholic and Christian. That is a snare. Catholic means simply Universal. Read the Douay Rhiems Bible. It's the TRUEST translation, well above King James and the new modern Bibles.
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth,
Of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
True God from true God,
Begotten, not made,
One in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
He came down from Heaven.
By the power of the Holy Spirit
He was born of the Virgin Mary
And became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered, died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again,
In fulfillment of the Scriptures.
He ascended into Heaven,
And is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his Kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
2003-03-22 01:49 | User Profile
While the Pizza Man is right, it might give comfort to all the OD anti-war types out there to consider that the great peole of Europe are behind you, as is most of the rest of the world.
2003-03-22 03:09 | User Profile
Gentlemen and Scholars all of you, I've carefully read each of your posts and I'm so grateful for these encouraging and thoughtful responses, to mine and everyone's benefit.
If feeling completely dettached from this present herded society and a yearning for God's word is a recognition of my salvation then I shall glory in it and take refuge. The current bombardment of Iraq with missles coincides with the bombardment of our minds with explosionary propaganda and the Devil is rejoicing at the new members he's received into his club.
"Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you" 1 John 3:13
I am coming to the full understanding that Jesus is right. God is right. Yet my racial feelings and cynical feelings are, I feel, contradicting with the word of God. This battle rages on within me.
Am I still a Christian while strongly feeling that Jews conspire to smash White civilization into dust? Is this rational thinking? Am I being ungrateful for the blessings I presently have? Did I turn my back on my country like David Frum says I did for conscientiously objecting to a war?
I'm despising the superficial more and more. I'm at a loss for words with many, even some long time friends, who seem to reflect, what I see, as continued degeneration of free and thoughtful thinking and reasoning. Anywhere I go, there is, on display, the masses and masses re-living ante-delluvian times.
"Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind" Romans 12:2
Wintermute, thank you for the link to Dr MacLean's hypothesis and your post is worthy of the pinning status it received.
Oaklahomaman, Recluse, Centinel, Paleoconavatar, Anti-Yuppie, Mad Russian, Uncle John, Excelis Deo.....I toast my present goblet of fine French Cote de Rhone wine to you all, Salut! The movement we are enjoined is most worthy! Tex, the quote from Henry V is incredibly inspirational, one of the greatest, thank you.
2003-03-22 04:15 | User Profile
I've been struggling too, with all this... I want to shake people and SCREAM at them to wake them up! But most of them want the red pill, they WANT to fall back asleep! I was playing around with a metaphor for my mom, who is agonized and stressed about terrorists and the military dying in foreign places and so on:
MOST humans are sheep, they just wanna graze and get by. It doesn't matter to MOST people who's running things, as long as they can live their "little lives." They want no big disruptions, not to have to think about fencelines and predators and how to protect themselves. They want to just keep grazing and ignoring the fencelines and the wolves just outside. And they DON'T want to know about the bought-off "sheepdogs" in the pasture with them, because they are relying on those sheepdogs so they can graze and sleep. And the few sheepdogs who ARE honorably barking their heads off are disdained as nuts... or anti-semites! (Jim Moran, anyone? And he wasn't even barking at the wolves! <_< )
OBVIOUSLY that means some of their little lambies will be EATEN by the wolves... but, as long as it's not demonstrably and specifically THEIR little lamb in danger, "shrug, what can be done (chewchewchew)? The sheepdogs protect me" When it IS their little lamb.... Well, then they can run around and baa their heads off, and the rest of the sheep will isolate them as frightening and 'twisted' for not recognizing that their little lambie must've done something wrong, or else the wolves wouldn't have gotten it! (Or celebrate their lambie for dying after being so "brave" as to go where the sheepdogs told him, to 'fight' the bad things threatening the flock... you know, to get control of the dog food can and the can opener that 'fuels' the sheepdogs?)
(Have I pushed it far enough? :rolleyes: )
(If I don't laugh, I'm gonna cry.... :( )
2003-03-22 04:39 | User Profile
This is the beginning of a good "Frequently Asked Questions" [FAQs] file:
Am I still a Christian while strongly feeling that Jews conspire to smash White civilization into dust? Is this rational thinking?
I don't see why recognizing that Jews are engaged in certain activities detrimental to the survival of Western society (a society whose missionaries have spread the Gospel far and wide), and politically resisting their criminal acts, should have any negative personal theological consequences. Keep in mind that for most of the history previous to the twentieth century, every Christian would have been called an "anti-Semite."
That's another indicator that you're in the right--you may be in the numerical minority today because of your nationalist views, but THEY (the Lefties and the Tribe and such) are in the numerical minority across the whole sweep of time. This PC "tolerance" crap is a post-1960s phenomenon, just a blip when compared to the Big Picture. These Lefties and such are the "dangerous radicals" who are trying to undo hundreds if not thousands of years of historical development in the name of some arrogant humanistic Utopia, not us. Who's trying to build Tower of Babel II? Bush, Wolfowitz & Co.
Am I being ungrateful for the blessings I presently have?
No, you're being a "good steward" of those blessings by trying to preserve them and pass them on for your children and grandchildren, etc. Globalists, Zionists, and socialists (these people overlap in their memberships) are trying to steal those blessings, steal the future, from you.
Did I turn my back on my country like David Frum says I did for conscientiously objecting to a war?
As if a scum like Frum has the right to tell you--an American--that you're unpatriotic! Frum's a Canadian Jew--he hasn't a leg to stand on!
As far as objecting to a war, lots of Christians don't believe it's a just war. And there is an important distinction to be made between your government and your country--they aren't the same thing. It is logical to oppose the government when it acts in ways that harms the country it is supposed to protect--that principle comes from Jefferson's Declaration of Independence. And our government has been hijacked, so it's right to resist it. We Americans are just as much under its thumb as the Iraqis, Afghans, and Serbs. They say the Iraqis will soon have "freedom." I guess that means the freedom to choose between U.S./Israeli approved candidate #1 on the ballot and U.S./Israeli approved candidate #2 on the ballot, just like Americans.
p.s...another hint about what Our Masters think "freedom" and "democracy" means: remember what happened when the Austrian people had an election a couple years back and they elected Joerg Haider's Freedom Party? The EU (and the US ambassador) went nuts when they heard that a "racist" party had been allowed to participate in forming a government. In other words, they were applying diplomatic and other pressure to Austria because the Austrian people voted the wrong way. It'd be funny if it weren't so stupid and sad.
2003-03-22 04:52 | User Profile
Maybe you guys can cheer yourselves up by strolling around some major universities. You will find plenty of supporters of the Palestinian cause and anti-war sentiment. Also, go visit SF. The entire city has been shut down by anti-war protestors. Anti-war sentiment there is rampant.
Also, there are plenty of anti-Semites among the pro-War crowd. Plenty of red-blooded white Gentiles Americans like seeing 'sand n***ers' killed, but are hardly doing so out of fellow feeling for Jews. Indeed, many Republicans are flat out embarresed by their association with Likkudite Jews. It is just that they think there are bigger fish to fry--the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.
So don't get confused by wolves in sheeps clothing.
2003-03-22 21:19 | User Profile
I toast my present goblet of fine French Cote de Rhone wine to you all, Salut!
I raise my pilsner glass of fine German hefeweizen in return, Prosit!
2003-03-23 00:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Mar 22 2003, 18:51 ** > Plenty of red-blooded white Gentiles Americans like seeing 'sand ners' killed, but are hardly doing so out of fellow feeling for Jews. Indeed, many Republicans are flat out embarresed by their association with Likkudite Jews. It is just that they think there are bigger fish to fry--the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.*
Really? Where can I find these Republicans? None of them seem to speak up on the House or Senate floor, and not one of them seems to have a column in any visible newspaper or opinion magazine.
If mainstream Republicans are embarassed by Bush becoming Ariel Sharon's sock-puppet, they sure are doing a good job of keeping their opinions to themselves. **
Yes, they do a good job of keeping the opinions private.
If you are looking for embaressed Republicans, I would suggest hanging out with some Young Republican groups.
2003-03-23 08:39 | User Profile
As a Catholic, I struggled with the "Jewish problem" for quite some time. But eventually a surprisingly simple answer occurred to me, and it came straight from the Bible.
We all know how Jews claim to be "children of Abraham," right? Well, Christ said that in order to have Abraham as your father, you have to serve God as Abraham did. The Zionists in Israel and elsewhere commit murder and other crimes, and this is of course in conflict with God's will. Hence, those who do these things cannot be "children of Abraham" -- they are not really "Jews" at all, regardless of their genetic background! We can refer to them as Jews as a matter of convenience, but REAL Judaism is a religion first. Even the many Orthodox Jews who vehemently oppose the existence of the modern State of Israel acknowledge this:
[url=http://www.netureikarta.org/]http://www.netureikarta.org/[/url]
The following essay is also interesting:
[url=http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/exile_and_redemption.htm]http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/exile_and_r..._redemption.htm[/url]
Many people of different races have converted to Judaism over the centuries. The only thing they all had in common was their willingness to serve God by following the Torah. It is the Zionists and their intellectual forefathers, such as the Pharisees of Christ's time, who perverted Judaism into an earthly religion wherein one's status in God's eyes is determined by his physical ancestry.
Consider the following:
"I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father." They answered and said unto him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus saith unto them, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
-- John 8:38-45
It's also worthy of note that the "good guys" in Christ's parables were frequently Samaritans, a people who were looked down upon by the Jews. It was no accident that Christ chose these people to be the "heroes" of his parables. Jesus was making the point that it makes NO difference who your ancestors were. God cares for the spiritual well-being of ALL people -- every last one. The important thing is to do what's right, and for those who know about Christ's divine nature, there is a grave obligation not to reject Him.
In any case, after wrestling with this issue for quite some time, I am now convinced in my conscience that opposition to modern Israel's treachery and terrorism, both in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world, is wholly compatible with true Christianity.
As to the issue of loyalty to America, in my opinion this loyalty is exactly equivalent to loyalty towards America's founding principles, especially respect for human freedom, dignity, and rights. Government has as its sole legitimate purpose the protection of these things. Whenever government steps outside its legitimate bounds, it is our duty to resist. Force is a last resort, but the right of self-defense or the defense of another innocent person against wrongful aggression is absolutely undeniable. (The Catholic Church does recognize this right, even in the defense of property as well as life and limb. The only caveat is that the force not be in excess of what is needed to repel the attack.)
Hopefully these thoughts are worth something to someone, even if they don't agree with everything in them.
2003-03-23 14:39 | User Profile
Angler, excellent post and it is worth something to me for sure, thanks. The quote from John's Gospel is a perfect example of Jesus' plain-spoken truth and is quite unrefutable to this day. It begins to dawn on one that someone who adamantly speaks truth and lives it, doesn't make too many friends and doesn't live too long either.
2003-03-24 04:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Mar 23 2003, 08:39 ** It begins to dawn on one that someone who adamantly speaks truth and lives it, doesn't make too many friends and doesn't live too long either. **
It has been said that the entire purpose of this world is to prepare the soul for the next--so who on Earth is more ready for the next world than he who speaks and lives in truth and light? As for the real-world difficulties that inevitably accompany it, remember: baptism by water will cleanse, but only baptism by fire can burn away the chaff.
Drakmal
2003-03-25 16:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Mar 21 2003, 17:44 ** P.S. This part should go without saying, but don't watch television. I mean it! I can't think of a worse way to aggravate the social conditioning you're trying to remove. Take a media fast ( a long one, if you can) and if you must watch, make it a rented movie. Live feed is the Devil's Lantern! **
This is most true. The Orwellian scenario is quite explicit these days through propaganda of the highest degree.
We all need to be "plugged in" to what is going on. All the good people here have the eyes to see through the lies and we can discriminate truth from fiction, even as hard as that may be.
The cattle-sheep have no chance to disseminate information and are steam-rolled into submission and therefore, by their sheer numbers, can overpower the true believers through intimidation and guilt. I sometimes feel guilty for thinking that if I don't support this war of aggression against Iraq, I'm actually supporting America's defeat! It's a brilliant psy-ops trick used by the Controllers to defeat dissent and usher in totalitarianism.
Stay tuned into God and His Gospel and you learn that these current events are nothing but mortal man trying to play God. The results of such actions as these is destruction and Judgement.
1Thessalonians 5:1-6
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
2003-05-04 20:55 | User Profile
Don't forget that in most countries, the citizens oppose our unwarranted attack on Iraq. And of course the world's one billion Moslems are not exactly for it. Unfortunately our 'objective' news stations do not convey the world's overwhelming opposition, and the Bush crew has been quite skillful in getting their perception of reality in front of the viewers.
CapeCode
2003-10-13 14:07 | User Profile
xmetalhead,
Mind if I tell you a little story? This happened to me yesterday after work. I was having a conversation with two 'Boomer' types, husband and wife, who thought themselves [I]Conservatives[/I].
They were a product of the 1960's, and, having played around with the Hedonism and Egalitarianism that was being touted as gospel, found it empty, morally bankrupt and, in a fit of desperation, turned to [B]the Media[/B] as a source of instruction on how to be a good little Republican. When confronted with a point of view that relied on skeptical thought, linear logic and a good grasp of history, they were mollified at my abject hatred of [I]both[/I] political parties. A product of the 60's Public School system, they had [I]no clue[/I] of the Truth about the US just under the surface of all the anti-Western dogma that had been preached to them. They were largely silent as I filled them in on 'How we got here", starting in the 1930's. They were disbelieving when I told them how we were pushed into WW2 by FDR, how Israel has attacked our ships and the US swept it under the rug, how we've been compromised time and again by their beloved [I]Media[/I] by either turning our culture against itself in an effort to cause a schism, or through outright treason by their fellow 'boomers' who run the media. We parted amiably, with their faith shaken in their beloved [I]Media[/I], and a list of books to read that you won't find in the University Bookstore.
I had to laugh in retrospect, with me, in my middle 30's, dressing down two 'conservatives' in their 50's because they jumped on the bandwagon in an effort to find something concrete in their lives. Truth is what it is. Rewriting it will not change what happened, no matter how many anti-western platitudes you stick in it.
I, too, have had crisis' from time to time, mostly over the issue of '[I]am I strong enough to see this through[/I]' and not the '[I]am I right or wrong?[/I]' kind. There is much excellent advice here, and I feel any that I could contribute would only deminish the whole.
But for what it's worth, from an emotional point of view (your wavering is largely emotional in nature, same as mine. Knowing that it is, recognizing it, and pushing through it is half the battle) when you push through the indecision and self-doubt, you'll find a nice warm pile of abject hatred on the other side for what [I]both[/I] sides of the 'media' are doing to American citizens and you realize how close you were to being duped [I]again[/I]. Once you deal with that and settle down, you can get onto the business of fighting these bastards wherever they poke their heads up. Show them for what they are: zealots and useful idiots of the zealots. You cannot reason with them. You cannot say: "Come, let us treat with each other. Let us reason together as Men and come to an agreement". They do not listen to reason. Like the Mouse and the Cookie, they will always want more and will change the rules of the game to [I]get[/I] more the instant you have your back turned. Ridicule them. Hold them up for the frauds they are and show others how foolish and idiotic they are. Reasoning does not work. Neither does intimidation through force. Public embarassment, however, works beyond your wildest dreams.
Our Country has had an unprecedented string of good luck (no, that's not true. Luck is just the combination of good preparation, timing and the will to do what you know to be the right thing), and maybe we have had our day in the sun. But to say: "Our cause is righteous, but our enemy is legion and I am not strong enough to do it alone" is defeatist. There are still powerful forces arrayed against them (and others of like mind to bolster you when you need it), put there by wise men a long time ago. If one side used some of those forces to attempt a corruption of America, then others can use them to undo the damage. Our cause is righteous.
Ausonius
PS I read this of yours:
[QUOTE]I'm getting tired of being cynical or am I really cynical? I don't think my mind and spirit can keep it up. I'm a simple Christian against aggression and arrogance and a seeker of truth and reason, but all around me, in every corner of my surroundings those things, made of men, are breaking me down.[/QUOTE]
And thought: Maybe you should change your name to Diogenese.
2005-03-10 03:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkeddy]Maybe you guys can cheer yourselves up by strolling around some major universities. You will find plenty of supporters of the Palestinian cause and anti-war sentiment. Also, go visit SF. The entire city has been shut down by anti-war protestors. Anti-war sentiment there is rampant.
Also, there are plenty of anti-Semites among the pro-War crowd. Plenty of red-blooded white Gentiles Americans like seeing 'sand n***ers' killed, but are hardly doing so out of fellow feeling for Jews. Indeed, many Republicans are flat out embarresed by their association with Likkudite Jews. It is just that they think there are bigger fish to fry--the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.
So don't get confused by wolves in sheeps clothing.[/QUOTE]
You bring up some excellent points--next Saturday's (3/19) Second Anniversary marches will feature more genuine patriots than the entire viewership of Fauxsnooze...