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2003-03-21 01:28 | User Profile
[url=http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary031903.asp]Frum Diary[/url]
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Back at the Old Stand
No, I wasnââ¬â¢t enjoying some prolonged St. Patrickââ¬â¢s Day bender. I was desperately finishing the long article on paleoconservatism for the issue of NR that went to press yesterday.
I suppose the first thing I want to say is ââ¬Åthank you.ââ¬Â I heard from nearly 100 readers in the first 12 hours that the piece was up. It wasnââ¬â¢t possible to respond to each of them individually, but I appreciated the kind words. And thanks too to my colleagues on The Corner, who gave the piece such a vigorous send-off yesterday.
Two of them raise points that call for quick reply.
1. John Derbyshire suggests that we owe the paleos a debt of gratitude for keeping the immigration-reform issue alive. I think itââ¬â¢s closer to the truth that they have nearly killed it. Think how amazing it is that not even the revelations that the INS sent posthumous visas to 9/11 killers could make immigration a political issue. That tells you something about how radioactive the paleos have rendered the issue. I think too that the paleosââ¬â¢ hostility to the war on terror has inhibited from effectively making a connection between the war and immigration. Itââ¬â¢s odd, isnââ¬â¢t it, to say ââ¬ÅI want to curb immigration so as to more successfully prosecute a war I oppose?ââ¬Â
More on Paleos
One subject I did not tackle in my piece was the obsessive hatred that so many of the paleos feel for Abraham Lincoln. I discovered late, though, that Lincoln was not unique: The LewRockwell.com site hates Winston Churchill nearly as passionately. As I read their fulminations, I realized how much the Rockwellites reminded me of the Nazi playwright in the movie, ââ¬ÅThe Producersââ¬Â: ââ¬ÅHitler vas a better painter than Shursheel, Hitler vas a better dancer than Shursheel ...ââ¬Â**
2003-03-21 01:40 | User Profile
**John Derbyshire suggests that we owe the paleos a debt of gratitude for keeping the immigration-reform issue alive. **
Maybe Derbyshire was just kissing ass to TAC's crew because they let him write the hit piece on MacDonald, a move McConnell hopefully is already regretting in light of NR's new assault.
**Think how amazing it is that not even the revelations that the INS sent posthumous visas to 9/11 killers could make immigration a political issue. **
That's one explanation. Another is a sycophantic, uncritical media that doesn't want Dubya to look too incompetant on his watch.
2003-03-21 02:01 | User Profile
Hey Frum, you neocons control this government now so let me ask you something. Are those [url=http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20030121/4794964s.htm]disproportionately White combat troops [/url] going to get a fair shake when they get out of the military or are you racist dogs going to continue to [url=http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulcraigroberts/pcr20020813.shtml]discriminate against them?[/url] Most paleocons probably won't ask that question out of fear of offending their new-found leftist friends, but some of us will be watching. And we won't be silent.
2003-03-21 02:02 | User Profile
**Think how amazing it is that not even the revelations that the INS sent posthumous visas to 9/11 killers could make immigration a political issue. That tells you something about how radioactive the paleos have rendered the issue. **
No matter how many times one reads chapters 6 and 7 of Separation and Its Discontents, this caliber of lie/self-deception still boggles the mind. And isn't the sentence structure interesting -- "not even the revelations ... could make immigration a political issue"? As if a "revelation" were a political agent! The neocons didn't try, didn't want, immigration to be an issue, and -- in a fascinating revelation -- we see that there is a limit to this Jew's chutzpah/delusion.
He can't bring himself to say that "we" (meaning his "conservative" cadre) couldn't make immigration a political issue, because somewhere deep inside his monstrous brain there is a nodule that recognizes that such an utterance would somehow be beyond the pale.
2003-03-21 02:13 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Mar 21 2003, 02:02 He can't bring himself to say that "we" (meaning his "conservative" cadre) couldn't make immigration a political issue, because somewhere deep inside his monstrous brain there is a nodule that recognizes that such an utterance would be somehow be beyond the pale.
Well he really means "you" of course, but he ackwardly sidesteps the issue of 1st or 2nd person by introducing this ackward abstraction, which you astutely pick out. Interesting to study how common a device this is in neocon writings.
2003-03-21 05:36 | User Profile
By 'immigration reform,' Frum probably means amnesty for illegals and letting in more Jews from Russia.
In any case, if anyone has made immigration a 'radioactive' issue, it is so-called conservatives who fail to speak on the issue, and who constantly pander to anti-white, 'multiculturalist' senitment.
2003-03-21 05:47 | User Profile
**By 'immigration reform,' Frum probably means amnesty for illegals and letting in more Jews from Russia.
In any case, if anyone has made immigration a 'radioactive' issue, it is so-called conservatives who fail to speak on the issue, and who constantly pander to anti-white, 'multiculturalist' senitment. **
To be frank, before 9/11 immigration wasn't an "issue" that got much attention outside of paleo circles because the neocon press didn't consider it "respectable" for polite discussion. The "free traders" wanted open borders and lax immigration for cheap industrial labor. It wasn't something Joe Sixpack could tune in his AM radio to and hear much about.
Boy, that sure changed after 9/11. Muslims and Aztlaners were suddenly all over the shockjocks' radar screens, aided by WorldNetDaily and NewsMax, because they weren't Israel-friendly. Weiner-Savage and others like him have done more to make the issue hot-button than any paleo ever did.
So Frum's blathering about blaming the paleos for sensationalizing an issue that the neocons trumpeted is ridiculous, since the paleo media is confined to print publications mostly read by other paleos and the Web. For the most part, Joe Sixpack doesn't listen to shortwave or streaming audio broadcasts, either.
At the rate things are going in American politics, I wouldn't be surprised to see the neocons call for repatriating blacks to Africa if they won't unconditionally support Israel. And they'll probably blame the controversy that issue stirs up on paleos as well.
2003-03-21 06:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Mar 21 2003, 05:47 So Frum's blathering about blaming the paleos for sensationalizing an issue that the neocons trumpeted is ridiculous, since the paleo media is confined to print publications mostly read by other paleos and the Web. For the most part, Joe Sixpack doesn't listen to shortwave or streaming audio broadcasts, either.
I think I talked about this over on the [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_libertarian&Number=509649&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Okiereddust&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=509638#Post509649]Liberty Forum Thread[/url]
At the rate things are going in American politics, I wouldn't be surprised to see the neocons call for repatriating blacks to Africa if they won't unconditionally support Israel. And they'll probably blame the controversy that issue stirs up on paleos as well.
I'd be very surprised, but I wouldn't be surprised, the way Frum is talking, to hear him call for Paleo's to be sent back to their true spiritual homeland in Zimbabwe and South Africa, so the peole there can properly deal with us. :ph34r:
2003-03-22 16:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Mar 20 2003, 23:47 At the rate things are going in American politics, I wouldn't be surprised to see the neocons call for repatriating blacks to Africa if they won't unconditionally support Israel. And they'll probably blame the controversy that issue stirs up on paleos as well.
What better way to bring the paleos into the neocon fold? :D
2003-03-22 21:33 | User Profile
One reason neocons like Frum are so perturbed by paleoconservatives is that just by existing we make him and his kind stand out more distinctly. The exposure makes him uneasy, even panicky. That image of skittering cockroaches comes to mind again.