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Thread ID: 5658 | Posts: 6 | Started: 2003-03-20
2003-03-20 04:32 | User Profile
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=518&u=/ap/20030320/ap_on_re_eu/germany_attacks_far_right&printer=1]German Far-Right Lawyer Faces Jail Time[/url]
MAINZ, Germany - Prosecutors sought an eight-month prison term Wednesday for a German far rightist who praised the Sept. 11 attacks.
Horst Mahler, a lawyer close to the fringe National Democratic Party, was convicted last November on charges of condoning a crime but was not sentenced. He appealed the conviction.
Mahler, 66, praised the suicide pilots as an "army that attacks its enemy" in an interview on German national television 10 days after the attacks.
He argues he was asserting his right to free speech, and his lawyer, Hans-Guenter Eisenecker, asked for acquittal in a Mainz court Wednesday.
Prosecutor Achim Kroth, in his final arguments Wednesday, said Mahler went beyond the bounds of free speech by taking sides with the Sept. 11 attackers, thereby threatening the peace.
Let's see if I've got this straight. He's charged with "condoning a crime?" That's crazy--it's a version of "thoughtcrime"--but I'm not surprised given that this is post-1945 Semiticized Germany we're talking about here. Next, how does his clapping his hands at 9/11 "threaten [Germany's] peace"? The event happened in America and the German public thinks we're a bunch of troublemakers anyway.
2003-03-20 15:19 | User Profile
** Next, how does his clapping his hands at 9/11 "threaten [Germany's] peace"?**
And how about those five Israeli's arrested in New Jersey for clapping and cheering as the WTC came down? The ones who were arrested, and then sent home to Israel because... well, because they were jews and THEY are allowed to clap at "misfortune!" (Well, at goyim misfortune...) :angry:
2003-03-20 18:54 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Mar 20 2003, 04:32 Mahler, 66, praised the suicide pilots as an "army that attacks its enemy" in an interview on German national television 10 days after the attacks
It sure sounds like selective prosecution to me. There were radical muslim, pro-palestinian and to some extent terrorist cells all over Germany at the time of the 9/11 attacks, and I'm sure there must have been all sorts of public statements of suport for the 9/11 attack in these circles. I wonder how many other prosecutions there have been for this.
2003-03-20 20:58 | User Profile
PaleoconAvatar,
** Let's see if I've got this straight. He's charged with "condoning a crime?" That's crazy--it's a version of "thoughtcrime"--but I'm not surprised given that this is post-1945 Semiticized Germany we're talking about here. Next, how does his clapping his hands at 9/11 "threaten [Germany's] peace"? The event happened in America and the German public thinks we're a bunch of troublemakers anyway. **
You are most Rigght! I will add: I fail to see how calling the Sep. 11 suicide pilots as an "army that attacks its enemy" is praising or condoning a crime. Not that there should be any such law in the first place.
2003-03-20 21:09 | User Profile
I guess German law consists of living, breathing documents subject to interpretation by the seed of Abraham, too. ;)
2003-06-09 06:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Jun 8 2003, 16:56 ** Can someone explain to me what "went beyond the bounds of free speech" means? This seems another one of these orwellian newspeak phrases. since when does FREE (!!!) Speech have any bounds at all? If there are bounds, then it ceases to be "free". **
You're right of course. More properly the term would be "accepted speech". Restrictions on Speech are gradualy going more involved, as law schools assidiously create ever more involved theories and rationales for censorship.
"Bounds of Free Speech" sounds like typical legalese. Your right, it like talking about "a fence marking the edge of the open range".