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Thread ID: 5561 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2003-03-15
2003-03-15 06:31 | User Profile
From the Mossad with love
12:14 2003-03-14
Potential War with Iraq
War protestors say they are concerned about the welfare of Iraqi citizens. Are they ignorant of what is happening in Iraq?
According to Amnesty Internationalââ¬â¢s reports on Human Rights, Iraqi citizens are routinely executed, mutilated, tortured, and kidnapped without judicial process. There is no freedom of speech, assembly, or association. Saddam controls everything from food coupons to the naming of children.
Weekly, 1000ââ¬â¢s of civilians have their ears, hands, feet, or tongues amputated. **Anesthesia is only used if the condemned can afford it. 70% of hand/foot amputees die from loss of blood or infection. Once, Physicians performed amputations in hospitals. Now, amputations are performed in prisons. When Doctors aren't available, non-medical personnel use razor blades. For performing cosmetic surgery on an amputee, the Doctor is subjected to the same amputation or is executed. **
Women accused of prostitution are beheaded in front of their homes as their family watches. Their heads are left on stakes. Childrenââ¬â¢s eyes are gouged out to force Mothers to confess their husbandââ¬â¢s whereabouts. People are lowered into vats of acid, sometimes to kill, sometimes to torture. Men are employed to specifically rape women. Military deserters are branded between the eyes. The list is endless. War is ugly. What is occurring under Saddam Hussein is uglier.
President Bush wants to stop the gross and systemic violations of Human Rights in Iraq. For this, he is called a warmonger and compared to Hitler. When Iraq is liberated and all the atrocities are revealed, war protestors will be ashamed. Hitler could have been stopped before he was armed. Saddam Hussein should be stopped now, before he controls nuclear weapons. Every day we postpone dealing with Hussein, Iraqi citizens suffer and Saddam builds more weapons. Have you seen any Iraqis outside Iraq protesting the war?
Sincerely, Ken Harris USA
[url=http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/03/14/44401.html]http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/03/14/44401.html[/url]
2003-03-15 11:33 | User Profile
That's odd. If Saddam is the devil that he's made out to be, then why does he not have a problem with distributing firearms to civilians? There are 43 gunshops in Baghdad alone. An AK-47 costs $250 in Iraq. Those people could rise up if they wanted to, and if they were oppressed like the propagandists claim, they would want to -- even if it was a hopeless cause. Better to die of a gunshot wound than to be lowered into a vat of acid, right?
I agree that this whole thing sounds like something the Mossad would circulate. It smells of their BS.
2003-03-15 15:43 | User Profile
Thanks Angler. You smelled something fishy alright.
(God, I hate myself when I stoop to a pun like that!)
2003-03-15 18:18 | User Profile
Angler -
Excellent points.
2003-03-15 19:43 | User Profile
Angler - I like that post.
Do you have a source?
Ed Toner captained@comcast.net
2003-03-16 06:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Mar 15 2003, 14:04 I will second Ed Toner in asking for your source, this would be a very valuable reference for an essay that I'm currently working on.
[url=http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/03/06/baghdad/index.html]http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/03/06/...hdad/index.html[/url]
Baghdad's residents snap up guns, rifles
By Hamza Hendawi
March 6, 2003 | BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Baghdad residents are snapping up pistols and hunting rifles; trenches and sandbagged gun positions are multiplying. Militiamen loyal to Saddam Hussein say they're ready for a fight to the death.
Baghdad is gearing up for what could be a street-to-street fight against American troops, if President Bush gives the order to invade. Saddam appears nightly on television to reassure Iraqis the Americans would be no match in a ground battle.
Iraqis echo his words. But some say privately they are preparing to fight off another enemy: gunmen who may try to settle old scores or simply take advantage of a power vacuum to rob and loot.
"A lot of it is going to depend on motivation and the level of loyalty to Saddam, and that's difficult to gauge," Ian Kemp of Jane's Defense Weekly said Thursday in a telephone interview from London.
The United States and Britain have nearly 300,000 troops in the Persian Gulf region -- and expect to have 100,000 more within weeks -- for a threatened invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam from power and ensure Iraq isn't hiding weapons of mass destruction.
In a week, this city of 5 million people on the banks of the Tigris River has taken on the appearance of a defense line, where preparations for battle are visible at almost every corner.
Residents say the number of sandbagged positions has almost tripled in two weeks. There are at least twice as many armed policemen in full combat gear as there were a week ago.
Guns are very common in Iraq. Even so, gun shop owners say business has risen by 25 percent over the past month, with cheap pistols priced under $100 in highest demand. The shops are not allowed to sell assault rifles, but store owners say hunting rifles are selling fast.
"This is a business like any other business, and the present situation makes everyone want to think he's equipped to defend himself and his family," gun shop owner Mahmoud Mahdi said Thursday.
Mohiey Khalaf, 72, has been in the business of repairing and maintaining firearms for over 40 years. On Thursday, he was busy fixing a black revolver at his workshop in a small pedestrian alley.
"Business has been good. A lot of people are trying to make sure their firearms work," he said, holding a torch in one hand and a red-hot piece of metal in the other.
On Wednesday, in an ominous sign of what may be in store if American troops attempt to capture the city, 60 men clad in white paraded through Baghdad, pledging to give their lives in suicide attacks on U.S. troops.
Members of Saddam's ruling Baath Party say they've set up neighborhood brigades with a structure of command that ensures uninterrupted communication if fighting breaks out.
"How can they possibly try and enter Baghdad?" said Ali Mohammed, a 30-year-old local Baath leader in the working class district of Al-Habibiyah. "They dare not come in because they will meet a certain defeat."
Emerging from a gun repair shop, he tucked his pistol into his belt.
Mohammed, like millions of Baath Party members and militiamen loyal to Saddam, also has a Kalashnikov, the weapon of preference for most Iraqis. Occasional violence between rival tribes and Iraqis' love of hunting mean hardly an Iraqi household is without at least one firearm.
Saddam has for weeks been feeding the notion that Iraqis fighting on home terrain would have an edge over the better-armed Americans. Meeting with infantry commanders Wednesday, he catalogued the features of a U.S. aircraft carrier he did not identify: a nuclear power station, a water desalination plant, nine stories and 20,000 meals a day.
"But does it have tires to reach Baghdad? Certainly not. The one thing that will finally decide the battle is a soldier on his feet," he said.
Many in Baghdad agreed.
"My family taught me how to use a gun at age 5," said Nazer Qahtan Khalil, co-owner of one of Baghdad's estimated 45 gun shops. "Would you allow someone to enter your home uninvited? God willing, Baghdad will be the grave of the Americans."
In addition to the danger posed by street battles in Baghdad, experts and some Iraqis warn any power vacuum, however brief, would tempt looters or people who want to settle scores among the city's many clans and tribes.
Residents of the capital are reluctant to speak openly about the prospect of violence between Iraqis, preferring instead to stick to the official line that every citizen would rise to the defense of his country against foreign invaders.
But Hussein, a 31-year-old Baghdad taxi driver who wouldn't give his last name, said while Iraqis would indeed fight for their country, some of the city's residents fear Iraqis could attack their local enemies if lawlessness breaks out.
"Without government officials mediating as they always do, there could be a lot of fighting," he said.
2003-03-16 06:50 | User Profile
Mohammed, like millions of Baath Party members and militiamen loyal to Saddam, also has a Kalashnikov, the weapon of preference for most Iraqis.
Looks like you have to have some connection to the gov't to have access to full-auto weapons, which seems to be similar to the US. I'd like to see a comparison of the penalties for possession. Are Iragis sent to prison and subjected to gang rape at the hands of Congoid prison gangs? That's probably one of those "freedoms" that causes them to hate us so much.
2003-03-16 21:08 | User Profile
Recluse - Excellent. Thanks.
2003-03-17 17:06 | User Profile
Here's my source -- sorry for not posting it sooner:
[url=http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0310/p01s03-woiq.html]http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0310/p01s03-woiq.html[/url]
Some quotes from the article:
The sense of impending conflict means business is picking up at the capital's 43 gun shops, even though they are only licensed to sell hunting guns or pistols. Customers are stockpiling bullets or shotgun cartridges, says Wiham Ghazi of the "Free Bird" gun shop, whose 12-gauge shotguns and .22 caliber rifles hang from gun racks on the wall of his shop, emanating a faint scent of gun oil.
HOWEVER,
"We tell the Americans: We are prepared for them," says Abdulamir Nasir al Abbudi, a dapper, older Iraqi in a jacket and tie with a white scarf. "My grandfather has a gun from 1895, and I'm going to use it to kill American soldiers. I'm keeping this gun in my hand. I also have a pistol and a Russian Kalashnikov -- all Iraqis have these."
AND,
Shotguns here go for just $100; Iraqi-made "Tariq" 7.65 mm pistols cost $200. AK-47 assault rifles, the same gun being offered to Baath Party members, sell for $250.
If the gunshops are only licensed to sell "hunting guns or pistols," then why are they selling AKs?
Maybe only Baath Party members can be sold AKs. But then why did that one older guy say that ALL (i.e., most) Iraqis have Kalashnikovs? I suspect that the authors of these articles might be throwing that "licensing" bit in there to obscure the fact that Iraqi possession of auto weapons is less restricted than it is in the US.
In any case, full auto weapons can't really do anything semiauto weapons can't do, especially at ranges greater than a few yards. Even if revolutionaries had to start out with nothing but pistols, hunting rifles, and stealth, they could do an awful lot of damage. Think of Charles Whitman in the tower at the University of Texas.
2003-03-17 18:18 | User Profile
Great work, gentlemen.
2003-03-17 21:55 | User Profile
More fuel for the fire...
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A26394-2003Feb4¬Found=true]http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...4¬Found=true[/url]
and...
[url=http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2030301&fromEmail=true]http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...&fromEmail=true[/url]
Let's see.
The capital of the brutal dictatorship of Iraq has 45 gun shops.
The capital of the freedom-loving democracy that is the U.S. has how many?
2003-03-18 04:31 | User Profile
When Iraq is liberated via foreign occupation, I am certain that there will be many annoucements of discoveries of evil, but none of them will have any more credible than Bush's evidence of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons.
2003-03-18 15:17 | User Profile
**Now, amputations are performed in prisons. When Doctors aren't available, non-medical personnel use razor blades. **
Sheesh! This guy has obviously NEVER cut up a chicken! (Or a raw steak!) Talk about failing the common sense test! (Maybe he means they're "amputating" moles and skin tags?!) (Oh, or maybe he hasn't ever shaved yet, and so isn't familiar with razors?! ;) )
This reminds me of the article I read in the Atlantic (or was it Harper's?) that started out with a German "eeeevil Nazi" (thanks Franco!) officer 'tearing an infant in half with his bare hands' when its mother refused to leave it. My eyebrows went up, because I knew Germany was building an ubermensch, but I didn't realize they'd succeeded in building the Incredible Hulk!! :rolleyes:
Ever try to tear off a raw chicken wing?!
2003-03-19 03:30 | User Profile
More creative Saddam atrocities from WABC radio:
Saddam directed one of his sons to oversee approximately thirty executions of unfortunates accused of crimes against his regime. The unusually bizarre weapon of choice? A plastic shredding machine. Murder most foul, indeed.
Eyewitnesses [no names given] report that if Saddam and his son were particularly pissed at the victim they had him/her shoved in feet first, which resulted in a hideously slow agonizing death accompanied by prolonged shreiking and howling. The lucky ones went in head first-- fiendishly inconvenient way to go, but screamless and over quickly.
Saddam then ordered that the shredded-to-bits bodies be dumped into plastic bags and fed to the fish! [Fish in the desert?] Voila! No bodies, no crimes.