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2003-03-12 09:18 | User Profile
This one is just too rich. An eighteen year old (named Shapiro by the way :unsure: ) taking Buchanan to task over proper Conservative positions! To phrase it in Li'l Benji's vernacular -- What chutzpah!
[url=http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/bs20030312.shtml]After Iraq, Attack Pat Buchanan[/url]
by Ben Shapiro
<img src='http://www.townhall.com/graphics1/cpshapiro.gif[/img]
A few months back, I received a magazine in the mail. I hadn't ordered it, but there it was. "The American Conservative," the title blared in white-on-blue lettering.
There were two problems: It was anti-American, and it definitely wasn't conservative.
The articles railed against American "imperialism," the Weekly Standard and National Review, and Israel. Kevin Phillips ripped modern conservatism as "Wall Street, Big Energy, multinational corporations, the Military-Industrial Complex, the Religious Right, the Market Extremist think-tanks, and the Rush Limbaugh Axis." He urged readers to "support Democratic retention of at least the Senate."
Two weeks later, another issue of The American Conservative arrived. This issue urged the Bush administration against considering pre-emptive war. An editorial by Taki Theodoracopulos accused neoconservative Bill Kristol of being a spy for Israel's center-right Likud Party. Theodoracopulos discussed "American arrogance" and fulminated against Israel.
This was isolationist, anti-business, anti-Semitic, dumb economics garbage. And then I looked at the name of the editor: Patrick Buchanan.
For many Americans, the Pat Buchanan wing of the conservative movement drives their deep-seated fear of conservatives. When you look at Buchanan's work in recent years, it's not hard to see why.
His isolationist economic policy is myopic. In his column of Oct. 28, 2002, titled "The Poison Fruit of Free Trade," Buchanan goes on a ludicrous free-trade-bashing binge. Buchanan argues that because U.S. taxes are too high, we should raise tariffs in order to protect American industry.
This argument is stunningly ignorant for a person of Buchanan's "renown." Raising tariffs would push up prices of imports, thereby raising prices across the board. Consumption of goods would fall. Thousands of jobs in American industries would be lost. Real wages would also fall. The best example of the effects of high tariffs is the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, which most economists feel prolonged the Great Depression and exacerbated its effects.
Buchanan holds immigrants in contempt. Not just illegal immigrants -- even some who immigrate legally are not fit to be Americans in Buchanan's eyes. In his book, "The Death of the West," Buchanan writes that Mexican immigrants are problematic because they are "not only from another culture, but of another race," and that "different races are far more difficult to assimilate than different cultures." This is plain un-American. The color of your skin or the racial background of your parents should never disqualify you from becoming a true American. This is the most diverse nation on Earth, even if Buchanan would prefer that it not be.
Buchanan's anti-Semitism is well known. He has referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory," in his magazine repeatedly attacks the "Jewish lobby" and blames Israel for the current intifada.
But Buchanan's favorite targets are what he calls neoconservatives (read: mainstream conservatives), who are "bent on reckless wars, global free trade and open borders." In the latest issue of his magazine, Buchanan also weaves in his favorite anti-Semitic canard, that neocons are driven by concern for the Jews and want "to conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel." "We believe the great conservative movement has been hijacked and put into services that would appall the Founding Fathers," Buchanan told the Washington Times in an interview about the magazine. "Neocons are the useful idiots of the liberal establishment," Buchanan reiterated in his Dec. 30, 2002, column.
Buchanan, not the neocons, is the useful idiot of the liberal establishment. He and others like him (notables include Theodoracopulos) are used as straw men by the left. They make it much easier to characterize conservatives as racist and isolationist old white men. If conservatives wish to reach out to new constituencies, they must jettison the Buchananites.
Buchanan's brand of "conservatism" is closer now to the far left than it is to the mainstream right, as shown by his selection of socialist and black nationalist Lenora Fulani for his Reform Party running mate in the 2000 presidential election. Buchanan's wisdom and patriotism must be questioned when his election to the presidency would have placed an enemy of the nation a heartbeat away from the leadership of America . The conservative movement has progressed beyond the ideology of Pat Buchanan. But if the conservative movement continues to tolerate him, even as a fringe character, it endangers the gains it has made.
Oh, and by the way: Mr. Buchanan, take me off your mailing list.
é2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
2003-03-12 09:20 | User Profile
Thread on same over at Israel-First Republic:
[url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/862629/posts]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/862629/posts[/url]
2003-03-12 09:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Mar 12 2003, 09:18 ** But Buchanan's favorite targets are what he calls neoconservatives (read: mainstream conservatives), who are "bent on reckless wars, global free trade and open borders." **
Har!
Best piece of satire I've seen in weeks, TA... Nice find!
"Neoconservatives" are "mainstream conservatives" now? We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.
2003-03-12 10:27 | User Profile
Texas Dissident,
In his book, "The Death of the West," Buchanan writes that Mexican immigrants are problematic because they are "not only from another culture, but of another race," and that "different races are far more difficult to assimilate than different cultures." This is plain un-American.
If one believes that Shapiros tribe is a race, then this piece shows the validity of Buchanans argument. On the cultural argument, Buchanan wins hands down with Shapiros group being harder to assimilate. I dont think, save a handful of people it can be done, nor should time be wasted on it.
If anyone is "un-American," it is the likes of Shapiro who would be better off in the I.D.F. than fouling up America with his nonsense.
Israel might be Shapiros country, but it sure as hell isnt mine.
2003-03-12 14:39 | User Profile
I seldom reply here re: article's, I come here to glean useful information and theory. Also I seldom agree with Buchanan, but on this point I concur with his philosophy: We need to evict the UN! I was watching an MSNBC talk show when Buchanan piped up, "We need to move the UN from the US, maybe to Geneva!" Needless to say he was swiftly shouted down by guests and host alike. Why do we house this base for hating America? Is America any better off providing the way and mean's for these ilk of the world to attack and influence American policy?
I agree Pat, deport the UN to France or Geneva! If this label's me as a [color=Red]SEPERATIST[/color] SO be it! I'm simply tired of watching while America is being led to it's demise by these foreign ambassador's extraordinary!
BTW, we also need to CLOSE THE BORDERS while we are at it!
:angry:
Having put my 2â in, I think I'll have an order of Freedom fries and a cold American beer!
2003-03-12 14:53 | User Profile
You've gotta love those Freepers...take a look at post #5 on that thread, where we are warned that Buchanan has "facist tendencies." That's right, only anti-Semites have faces!
2003-03-12 17:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Mar 12 2003, 09:37 **Har!
Best piece of satire I've seen in weeks, TA... Nice find!
"Neoconservatives" are "mainstream conservatives" now? We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.**
No we aren't in Kansas. And Shapiro is right practically speaking. Neocons are the "mainstream conservatives" now. And paleo's are outside the mainstream, so we aren't conservatives any more that's his logic.
The only thing is the part of what conservatism means any more is superfolous. Conservatism is dying anyway along with western culture, Pretty soon the only distinctions will be between "mainstreamers" and "fringers" of whatever kind.
Paul Gottfried described it this way
Right and left are designations that came into use in the modern West in response to particular upheavals. They may already be destined to pass, like so much else in aspecificaly Western society. The historical specificity that the paleoconservatives cherish so much can no longer be reconciled with the globalist ideals of the intellectual and business elites.
2003-03-12 21:59 | User Profile
Whalla! The Inner Party and The Outer Party.
2003-03-12 23:57 | User Profile
Linking threads: to Current events, ("Sorry, Mr. Moran, you're not fit for public office")
There is an absolut rupture here. "After Iraq, attack Pat Buchanan" isn't just rhetoric. They* (=neocons "read mainstream?"! broke TD up) are driven by precisely what Buchanan tagged:
> **"...weaves in his favorite anti-Semitic canard, that neocons are driven by concern for the Jews and want to "conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel'..."**
The entire concerted chorus of Israel's Amen corner has been wringing blood-identity handkerchiefs marked "Israel/America" on either side, ever since 9/11 -- to the point where they live in the delusion that those who died, therein, joined with the Jews killed in the holocaust by Hitler, and the blood of WWII allied soldiers who liberated Europe, is all identical. As if the blood flowing through the veins of Ariel Sharon is same, in their "God's" eyes, as that shed on battlefield of the War Between the States.
Two replies necessary, both critical: 1. The word "God", binding Americans under the constitution, is not identical with "YHWH" (or however it is spelled) in Hebrew, spoken in Israel. We, under this God, oppose what they, under their "YHWH", think they are doing, vis a vis hustling votes in U.S. elections by "linking tokens" (any idiot can utter the sound "God", and a lot of them do so). I call it "yanking southern church bells" policy, which Patrick Buchanan helpted put over in Dixie, thus wrecking the Democrat party for Northern Nixon Republicans (so this isn't all pro-Pat, by any means).
2. American WWII blood and holocaust victim Jewish blood are conjoined only *per accidens*, not *in essence*, or intrinsically, as [I]sacrificial blood-ritual, under God, as the unity binding patriotic Americans in that war. My uncle was in Corregidor, later with MacArthur in Japan; we never once heard Jews mentioned, listening over the radio, in the papers, on RKO newsreels. It is good they were liberated, if that is what happened, but it is not what we fought for, stripping foil off gum wrappers and plunking rabbits with .22's while pretending they were Nazis. As elementary schooler, I came by a high-grade German steel bayonet, with red-white porcelain inlaid handle. Later, one learned that was mixed up somehow with liberating Jews from death camps. In case you forget, Speilberg is there to remind you.
So, given these things, Buchanan's take-no-guff-from-Jews attitude, in defining American Conservatism is more than justified. If only he would stick to it.
His penchant for waffling, however, has been illustrated again just yesterday and today, over Cong. Moran's clapper:
> **"If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this.ÃÂ The leaders of the Jewish community are influential enough that they could change the direction of where this is going, and I think they should."**
Yesterday on MSNBC, Buchanan went after the Jewish Community represenative, who objected that, when it came to pro-war vs anti-war, they were about evenly split...with fire in the belly. "Do you deny Israeli-Jewish lobby connections undermined Oslo?" he demanded. Reply: "If you want get technical about ethnic-religious war talk, start with "born-again" Bush, Rumsfeldt, Powell, Rice, Franks, not a Jew amng 'em." So said the man on the left, Bill Press frozen in the up-right, stiff-as-a-rod position in between. It was good stuff. Then he had to interrupt.
Today, there had to be follow up. Those on the other OD thread had us (me) waiting. Here's what it was. Instread of elaborating what might have been behind Moran's remark, and possibly help the American public understand Israel's role in bringing America to the brink of assault on Iraq ...Press & Buchanan opens with <b> "Has Moran permantently damaged his career? Will he be able to make it up to his constitutents?"</b> Damned if they did have a bona fide Public Relations Expert on hand, brought in, apparently, for the purpose of allowing the impulsive congressman to survive, with suitable grovelling; and, in content, remarking that Moran's statement was as risibly absurd as thinking a group of people could have such unbridled power over communications as to be able to stage a need for war necessary for one thing (oil, disarm Saddam Hussein, whatever), when it was really about another thing (saving Israel). Having delivered himself of these twin toxins -- let Moran grovel; its Murdoch's hovel (his birthday was yesterday) -- the MSNBC public relations expert slipped away, into the night, presumably, to throw down a stiff one or two.
Pat? He just sat. That fire that seemed to be in his belly yesterday?
2003-03-13 00:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by wombatnine@Mar 12 2003, 17:57 **The entire concerted chorus of Israel's Amen corner has been wringing blood-identity handkerchiefs marked "Israel/America" on either side, ever since 9/11 **
A great point that cannot be hammered on often enough, wombatnine. This was made evident to me when ABC started cutting to the infamous video of Palestinians dancing in the streets not two hours after the last tower fell on September 11, 2001. Video footage we learned from the [url=http://www.sptimes.com/News/091701/Worldandnation/Debunking_the_week_s_.shtml]St. Petersburg Times[/url] was actually from 1991, but neverthless the intent to link 9/11 to Israel's conflicts was made early and often.
Whether it is Buchanan from the Right or Moran from the Left does not matter. What does matter is that true Americans need, no must, consistently and loudly proclaim that Israel is not the 51st state of our Union, her interests are not America's interests, her wars not our wars, and America is much better served by completely withdrawing from the entire region, both militarily and economically. Simply put, No war for Israel.
2003-03-13 01:52 | User Profile
Wombatnine Posted: Mar 12 2003, 17:57
"If you want get technical about ethnic-religious war talk, start with "born-again" Bush, Rumsfeldt, Powell, Rice, Franks, not a Jew amng 'em." So said the man on the left, Bill Press...
This Press yutz, Jewish Community representative, he lied. Bushââ¬â¢s puppet strings are totally manipulated by Jews. Rumsfeld? Good question. Powell says he has some Jewish ancestry. Rice is the protegee of a Jew, more puppetry. Franks is the grandson of Polish/Russian Jewish immigrants.
Lots of Jews, semi-Jews, puppet-Jews, maybe-Jews among ââ¬â¢em.
2003-03-13 02:30 | User Profile
Perhaps it would be of interest to Mr. Shapiro that Buchanan's running mate in 2000 was actually [u]Ezola Foster[/u]; President of Black Americans for Family Values - and very much of a traditional conservative.
Could a commentator truly be this ignorant and more importantly how many readers even notice? IOW. a BIG Lie does not have to be repeated, if there is no foundation in knowledge.
2003-03-13 02:51 | User Profile
Here is another version respectfully submitted:
ÃÂ False Footaging ÃÂ
Claim: ÃÂ CNN used old footage to fake images of 'Palestinians dancing in the street' after the terrorist attack on the USA. [color=Red]Status: ÃÂ False.[/color] Example: ÃÂ [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
Origins: ÃÂ No, CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 Reuters rejects as utterly baseless an allegation being circulated by e-mail and the Internet claiming that it circulated 10-year-old videotape to illustrate Palestinians celebrating in the wake of the September 11 tragedies in the United States.
Reuters welcomes a statement by the Universidad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil (UNICAMP), one of whose students was the author of the original e-mail, setting the record straight.
The videotape in question was shot in East Jerusalem by a Reuters camera crew on September 11 in the immediate aftermath of the attacks on the United States. There is absolutely no truth to the information that is now distributed on the Internet that CNN used 10-year-old video when showing the celebrating of some Palestinians in East Jerusalem after the terror attacks in the U.S. The video was shot that day by a Reuters camera crew.
The allegation is false. The source of the allegation has withdrawn it and apologized. It was started by a Brazilian student who now says he immediately posted a correction once he knew the information was not true.
This information was later denied, as soon as it proved false, by Márcio A. V. Carvalho, a student at UNICAMP. He approached the administration today, 17.09.2001, to clarify... [url=http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm][color=Red]Snopes debunks disputed tape[/color][/url]
Why shouldn't the Afghans and the Pals be celebrating in the streets? After all They Hate America!
2003-03-13 02:54 | User Profile
Pat tells the truth!
** The articles(from The American Conservative) railed against American "imperialism," the Weekly Standard and National Review, and Israel. Kevin Phillips ripped modern conservatism as "Wall Street, Big Energy, multinational corporations, the Military-Industrial Complex, the Religious Right, the Market Extremist think-tanks, and the Rush Limbaugh Axis." He urged readers to "support Democratic retention of at least the Senate." ... In his book, "The Death of the West," Buchanan writes that Mexican immigrants are problematic because they are "not only from another culture, but of another race," and that "different races are far more difficult to assimilate than different cultures." ... He has referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory," in his magazine repeatedly attacks the "Jewish lobby" and blames Israel for the current intifada. ... "Neocons are the useful idiots of the liberal establishment," Buchanan reiterated in his Dec. 30, 2002, column. **
A great FR thread!
This Neocon can not even get the facts Right!!! Ezola Foster was Pat's VP!!!
** Buchanan's brand of "conservatism" is closer now to the far left than it is to the mainstream right, as shown by his selection of socialist and black nationalist Lenora Fulani for his Reform Party running mate in the 2000 presidential election. **
As Freeper points out!!!
** To: TLBSHOW(the Freeper who posted this trash)
I agree, but wasn't his runningmate Ezola Foster?
2 posted on 03/11/2003 9:20 PM PST by William Creel
To: William Creel
but wasn't his runningmate Ezola Foster?
Yes, but Ben Shapiro doesn't care much about facts when he's spewing vitriol.
11 posted on 03/11/2003 9:40 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
**
This Freeper speaks the Truth and is all too Right!!! Sill some good Freeper Left!!!
** **To: TLBSHOW
The conservative movement has progressed
Progressed??? You mean moved to left some more, don't you???
3 posted on 03/11/2003 9:21 PM PST by SickOfItAll ** **
A Freeper tell the truth about Smoot-Hawley!!! JR can not seem to get all of the good Freepers pruged.
** To: TLBSHOW
The best example of the effects of high tariffs is the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, which most economists feel prolonged the Great Depression and exacerbated its effects.
Senator John Heinz III, who died tragically in a plane crash in 1991, had developed a national reputation for his expertise in international commerce. During his years of serving in Congress, Senator Heinz III was appointed to the Chairmanship of the Subcommittee on International Finance and Monetary Policies. He had this to say about the Smoot-Hawley myth in 1985:
"It gravely concerns me that every time someone in this administration or the Congress gives a speech about a more aggressive trade policy, or the need to confront our trading partners with their subsidies, barriers to imports and other unfair practices, others in Congress immediately react with speeches on the return of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, and the dark days of blatant protectionism and depression...It seems that for many of us that Smoot-Hawley has become a code word for protectionism and, in turn, a code word for the depression. Yet, when one recalls that Smoot-Hawley was not enacted until more than 8 months after the October, 1929 collapse, it is hard to conceive how it could have led to the Great Depression...the changes supposedly wrought by this single bill in 1930 appear fantastic."
In 1929, Imports formed only 6 percent of the GNP. With average tariffs ranging from 40 to 60 percent (sources vary), this represents an effective tax of merely 2.4 to 3.6 percent. Even an effective tax of 2.4 to 3.6 percent is overstating the effects of the tariff. The tariff rates were already high to begin with. One source reveals that Smoot-Hawley raised rates from 26 to 50 percent; another source from 44 to 60 percent. In that case, we are talking about an effective tax increase of 1.4 percent at most. Yet the Great Depression resulted in a 31 percent drop in GNP and 25 percent unemployment. The idea that such a small tax could cause so much economic devastation is too far-fetched to be believed.
10 posted on 03/11/2003 9:36 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
To: Mudboy Slim
"but he says things that can easily be misconstrued that way by those who want to discredit the ConservativeCause!!"
Let them misconstrue all they want. Every now and then you have to stir the pot a little, and PJB does an excellent job of kicking groins that need to be kicked. I say let 'em whine.
45 posted on 03/12/2003 8:37 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!) **
A good Freeper speaks.
** To: PRND21; TLBSHOW
"If conservatives wish to reach out to new constituencies, they must jettison the Buchananites."
Balderdash and poppycock!! Jettison Buchanan and recapture the GoPatGoers with a solid, sustained diet of rotgut Conservatism...MUD
15 posted on 03/11/2003 9:45 PM PST by Mudboy Slim **
An American worker is forced to train a foreign replacement for his high-tech job.
** To: TLBSHOW
"Buchanan goes on a ludicrous free-trade-bashing binge. Buchanan argues that because U.S. taxes are too high, we should raise tariffs in order to protect American industry."
You know what is ludicrous? I'm currently training my foreign replacement for my high-tech job. I'm not alone. 'nuff said. I see the writing on the wall.
32 posted on 03/12/2003 12:58 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 **
More on this dirty troll Shapiro!
** To: TLBSHOW; All
The writer of the this article is just a kid, a member of the Israel Lobby and has NO credibility.
Here is his bio, posted at below link.
[url=http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BIOS/cbshapiro.html]http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BIOS/cbshapiro.html[/url]
"Benjamin Shapiro was born in 1984, in Burbank, Calif. Brought up in the home of two Reagan Republicans, where intelligent conversation about politics and philosophy was encouraged, Shapiro quickly developed into a reasoned political thinker and a powerful writer.
He entered UCLA at the age of 16 and is currently a junior majoring in political science. Never afraid to antagonize his political opposition, he was the only counter-protester at an Affirmative Action Rally that drew over 1,500 people on UCLA's campus, and he has repeatedly challenged liberal professors and faculty.
He was hired in the summer of 2001 by the advertising team that had run George W. Bush's presidential campaign, writing copy for its planned ad campaign in support of Israel. His controversial columns in the UCLA Daily Bruin have been reprinted nationwide on many major websites, and he has been the featured guest on The Larry Elder Show, The Al Rantel Show (KABC, Los Angeles) and the TV program Judicial Watch.
As a staunch conservative on the modern politically correct campus, Shapiro faces the political liberals head-on. From exposing the leftist tilt of the professoriate on college campuses to addressing the conflict in the Middle East, Shapiro's confrontational approach always draws a hailstorm of response.
He was one of six winners of the worldwide Princeton University Ten-Minute Play Contest for High School Juniors in 1998-99. Shapiro is also a virtuoso violinist, having begun his training at age 5. He has played at numerous political events in his home city of Los Angeles."
No wonder Shapiro has no objectivity and hates Buchanan so much!
59 posted on 03/12/2003 4:09 PM PST by Hail Caesar **
I wonder how long till the next pruge?
2003-03-13 18:12 | User Profile
Dear Suplanter,
Did you check out, or merely cite, the material that was supposed to refute the rumor that CNN used fake "Palestinian cheering" videotape as American-Israeli blood solidarity agit-prop propaganda?
Or did you just respectfully sumit it as "another version", to run and hide behind
> **"Why shouldn't the Afghans and the Pals be celebrating in the streets?ÃÂ After all, They Hate America."**
But this predicates on precisely the ***reverse*** of the point that Buchanan, TD and I reject, categorically: identification of Israel's enemies with a "they" hating America. We reject, categorically, and on principloe, :
> **ÃÂ "neocons ...driven by concern for Jews (who) want to conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel."**
Among individuals prominent in this group are: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, inside government at upper levels of policy making and information control. Wm. Kristol, R. Murdoch, N. Podhoretz, D. Pipes, and ex-journalist Daniel Pearle are among those from the media having vast influence in American politics. Unless each and all of these wishes to renounce their Jewishness, or that it plays any role in their actions, ideas, policies relating to America, one is entitled to conclude, with overwhelming clarity, if not certainty (at least as far as such a vaunted epistemic notion applies), that US war on Iraq is driven by Jewishness.
Indeed, so true is this, that the criteria may be reversed. Now that the identities, *modus operandi*, rhetorical and political styles, and record of deliberate actions can be surveyed, what can be seen in this data is what Jewishness ***is***. It is no longer necessary to stoke up on bromides, learned tomes, ancient Protocols, WWII holocaust tales, anti- (or pro-) Nazi sentiment -- we know everyone goes 'round and 'round on this one -- only to look at what is in operation.
Speaking of which ... in that linked material was this, supplant:
"Subsequent rumors that the Israeli Defense Agency sent a film crew to hand out candy to Pals (sic) in order to induce them into staging a 'celebration' for cameras appear to be equally unfounded."
But they could be checked, couldn't they. "Reuters new crew" videotape, eh. They wouldn't just be pissing down our leg with the whole thing? What we've got here is the "double Jewish take-out" (triple, quadruple, before I'm done, and then you may get turned over to Avalanche, in which case, you are history. I usually leave a bone to pick, but if you will be left lower than zero after she's done, so ... est-bay am-scray, but do as you like.
Its Jewish enough to use agitation for propaganda, to link enemies of America and Israel. It was obvious from the first that, if it ws bin Laden, it was retaliation for desecration of the Saudi, which is protected by a different spirit than The West; not Saddam Hussein, not Sharon. In real terms, as I guage reality, we were paying for Bush's infernal apostasty, and I have never hated bin Laden. You don't have to to be transformed-in-being, abdominally and forever, as it were, by seeing those airplanes crash into the World Trade Center towers September 11, 2001. And I resent anyone, of any skin color, nationality, religion, family, ethnicity insinuating, suggesting, much less predicating on as a fact, the notion that they, through personal, financial, political, media-cultural, or any other connentions, worldly, otherworldly, in times past or times yet to come, who thinks unto themselves to make what that date means different: for me, for America, for American people as citizens torn to shreds by the dead one's memories.
When given to understand that this manipulation is afoot, and by a cadre of young Jewish idiots who apparently have no clue, but don't mind supplanting what is sacred in America, to America, for Americans, by what Jews think about their mothers. (Really, I mean ...as in Freud; screw what they say to the outside world....of course, they only think of Freudian psychoanalysis as applying to *goyim*, but it was Sigmund who did, after all, come up with the theory that explains black urban youth's apparent vulgarity-of-choice. I could be onto a deep link between two non-white ethinic minorities here!)
**AMERICA FOR AMERICANS PALESTINE FOR PALESTINIANS
NO WAR FOR ISRAEL**
2003-03-18 00:40 | User Profile
AntiYuppie,
Yes!
Careful there, don't you realize that we're dealing with another neocon rising star in embryo...the male counterpart to little Debbie Schluessle, or perhaps an even more neotenic version of Jonah Goldberg?
He even kind of looks a bit like Jonah! :unsure: