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Thread ID: 5414 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2003-03-08
2003-03-08 15:16 | User Profile
Whacking Our Allies
by Joseph Sobran February 20, 2003
For months Iââ¬â¢ve watched with fascination as our brave conservative pundits have whacked at our cowardly, treacherous ââ¬Åalliesââ¬Â for their failure to obey President Bush with due servility. First they went after Arab countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt; more recently theyââ¬â¢ve been sneering at France, Germany, and other nations of ââ¬ÅOld Europe.ââ¬Â
This is what comes of the Bush doctrine, which insists that if you arenââ¬â¢t with us ââ¬â with us, that is, all the way, whatever we do or say or demand ââ¬â youââ¬â¢re with the terrorists. It reminds me of the way the Stalin crowd used to insist that if you werenââ¬â¢t on the side of the proletarian revolution, you were ââ¬Åobjectively fascist.ââ¬Â
So today our right-wing gladiators ââ¬â George Will, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and the boys at National Review, to mention just a few ââ¬â have put on their armor and war paint and are contemptuously heaving brickbats at our no-good, gutless, appeasing ââ¬Åalliesââ¬Â (always spelling the word with derisive quotation marks). Good patriots are now expected to boycott Perrier and avoid dropping French and German phrases, so as to teach these effete European creeps the lesson that World War II apparently failed to get through their skulls.
I canââ¬â¢t help noticing, however, that one U.S. ally (no quote marks necessary here) is exempt from all this riotous invective. That would be our only reliable ally in the Middle East ââ¬â the one that has murdered American sailors and stolen American military secrets.
To our heroic conservative journalists, Israelââ¬â¢s treachery to the United States since 1954, unlike Franceââ¬â¢s surrender to Hitler in 1940, is ancient history ââ¬â down the Memory Hole. George Will spares Israel his exquisite sarcasms. Limbaugh and Hannity, discussing Ariel Sharon, stop yelling and speak in tones of hushed reverence. National Review doesnââ¬â¢t do long exposés of Israeli duplicity. When it comes to Israel, these patriotsââ¬â¢ defiant courage suddenly deserts them.
No, Israel is to be loved, honored, supported, and, above all, trusted. Our right-wing patriots arenââ¬â¢t alarmed, or even mildly curious, about Israelââ¬â¢s unacknowledged ââ¬Åweapons of mass destructionââ¬Â (including hundreds of nuclear weapons) or about how, exactly, it came by them. In its unhappy relations with the Arabs, including the Palestinian children who seem to attract so much Israeli ammunition, Israel is always right. The motives of Israelââ¬â¢s critics are always suspect. (Hitlerââ¬â¢s name is occasionally mentioned, reminding us that any criticism of Jews leads inexorably to genocide.)
When I hear our ferocious hawks whaling away (if hawks can be said to whale) at France or Belgium, I try to imagine them speaking of Israel with similar scorn, fury, and ridicule. The idea is laughable.
If it turned out that the most outré of recent conspiracy theories was true ââ¬â that Israel had somehow arranged the 9/11 attacks ââ¬â I suspect that these hawks would be only momentarily embarrassed. In due course they would explain that Israel surely had understandable reasons, that the news media were making a big sensation out of the incident because of their anti-Israel bias, and that, still and all, Israel remained our staunch ally.
I was working at National Review in the mid 1980s, when the Jonathan Pollard spy scandal hit the front pages. Even then the magazine had totally lost its nerve where Israel was concerned. The other editors (I was badly outnumbered) took the bizarre position that Pollard himself should get the death penalty, but that his Israeli employers should pay no penalty at all. Israel was, still and all, our staunch ally.
A famous Jewish editor wrote a letter to the editor praising this judicious view. My own view was that if a country steals your military secrets (and peddles them to the Soviet Union, to boot), it isnââ¬â¢t exactly your staunch ally.
It wasnââ¬â¢t as if National Review took espionage lightly. It still talked in its sleep about Alger Hiss and other Soviet agents of yore. But somehow Israeli espionage was ... well, different. The magazine was ââ¬Åjumpy about Jews,ââ¬Â as I later wrote in a column which, as I expected (and intended), ended my 21 years of employment there. A tactless phrase, I grant you, but quite true. And still true.
Behind all this courageous excoriation of our old Arab and European allies is a thorough jumpiness about Jews. A simple, sweaty fear. Our brave boys are scared to death. Itââ¬â¢s as if theyââ¬â¢d read the forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, believed every word of them, and concluded that the prudent course was to stay on the good side of the Elders of Zion.
Joseph Sobran
2003-03-08 15:42 | User Profile
Another excellent piece from Mr. Sobran.
2003-03-08 21:11 | User Profile
Regarding Sobranââ¬â¢s column: This fascinating comment appears in VNN Reader Mail 3/8/03. ** ââ¬ÅThough it has the reluctant, cryptical style of a trial balloon, the following paragraph, from one of Joe Sobran's recent colums, is [SIZE=3]a welcome advance toward breaking the news, however gently, that Jewish Israeli agents masterminded the September 11, 2001 attack on America:ââ¬Â **[/SIZE]
"If it turned out that the most outré of recent conspiracy theories was true ââ¬â that Israel had somehow arranged the 9/11 attacks ââ¬â I suspect that these hawks would be only momentarily embarrassed. In due course they would explain that Israel surely had understandable reasons, that the news media were making a big sensation out of the incident because of their anti-Israel bias, and that, still and all, Israel remained our staunch ally. "
2003-03-09 04:02 | User Profile
One of Sobran's very best. So smooth, so well-reasoned, so deadly.
2003-03-09 04:33 | User Profile
Thanks for posting this Ruffin because I would have missed it.
Amazing of Sobran to mention the Elders of Zion and then allude to Norman ("famous Jewish editor") Podhoretz in the same essay. An Elder of Zion if there ever was one. Go Joe!
2003-03-11 01:31 | User Profile
This guy sobran is either an arab or in love with one. No way should saudi arabia be considered an ally. They've got to be one of the most anti Christian countries on the face of this earth
2003-03-16 15:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by Buchanan@Mar 11 2003, 01:31 ** This guy sobran is either an arab or in love with one.ÃÂ No way should saudi arabia be considered an ally.ÃÂ They've got to be one of the most anti Christian countries on the face of this earth
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The Saudis and Kuwaitis are pigs. But as for your argument, that since the Saudis are anti-Christian therefore they should not be an ally, well, what about Israel? Any Jew is considered an automatic citizen of Israel save for one, a Jew who becomes a Christian. A Jew can be an atheist or a Buddhist and it is no problem, but if he or she becomes a Christian or even a Jew for Jesus (or Messianic Jew), they are persona non grata in Israel. There is too much evidence that can be evinced regarding just how anti-Christian Israel is. I will leave that for other posts.
2003-03-17 18:22 | User Profile
Far more troubling to me than neoconservative attacks on the Saudis, however, is the amount of venom they direct at Germany and particularly France of late. Ostensibly, they are doing this because those nations oppose the war on Iraq. Their real motive, however, is to poison the white American mind against their ancestral homelands and cultures, with the hope that they will replace any feelings of affinity they may have towards Western Europe with an affinity towards Israel.
Excellent, AY.
2003-03-17 18:43 | User Profile
I should have voted for Gore. I wonder if Gore would have been as big a Ariel Sharon butt boy as Bush has turned out to be. Maybe it would not matter as Israel seems to own Washington, DC no matter what or who is there.
No, wait a minute. I could not have voted for Gore given his alliance with and allegiance to the Clinton cabal. I should have written in Buchannan's name. Or Howard Phillips. We've got to take Washington back from Israel.
2003-03-17 22:56 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Mar 16 2003, 11:13 **
P.S. Given some of your recent rants here, perhaps you should consider changing your handle from "Buchanan" to "Bill Kristol" or "Steve Schwartz." **
Dont care much for those names, but hey maybe you should change your name to Osama. I cant support a country whose citizens fly planes into our buildings. Yeah I know it was only 15 guys, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. Also in Saudi Arabia, westerners have to live in seperate compounds, ghettoized so as not to spread their infidel ways on the natives. Its like that in most other arab countries as well.
2003-03-18 00:01 | User Profile
*Dont care much for those names, but hey maybe you should change your name to Osama. I cant support a country whose citizens fly planes into our buildings. Yeah I know it was only 15 guys, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. Also in Saudi Arabia, westerners have to live in seperate compounds, ghettoized so as not to spread their infidel ways on the natives. Its like that in most other arab countries as well. *
What COUNTRY's citizens flew airplanes into American buildings?? It WASN'T Iraq.
Why is Bush attacking Iraq??? Why did Bush attack Afganistan??? The hijackers were Saudis. Why isn't Bush attacking Saudi Arabia?? Perhaps you think he should go there next. Or is Syria next? Has Ariel Sharon sent out the orders yet?
And, anyway, how is it that YOU should impose YOUR morals, attitudes, values, and idea of appropriate culture on some nation half way around the world.
Are you ADL, perchance?
Do you believe that the CIA, MI6, Mosaad, FBI, Interpol were ALL absolutely CLUELESS as to 09/11? I don't think so but if they were, then the top staff of the CIA and FBI should have been FIRED on 09/12.
Can you support a country that murdered 34 American sailors on the USS Liberty?
This 'war' is nothing more than Zionists directing America to commence a long, world wide and costly holy war on Islam.
2003-03-18 01:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by George Orwell@1984 **"In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened ... to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep people frightened.' This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him." **
2003-03-18 03:06 | User Profile
Originally posted by Buchanan@Mar 11 2003, 01:31 ** This guy sobran is either an arab or in love with one. No way should saudi arabia be considered an ally. They've got to be one of the most anti Christian countries on the face of this earth **
I thought I'd left these adolescent Hebe zionazis behind me when I quit posting at NewsMax. You're not wanted here, Hebe, your kind hangs out at Free Republic.
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2003-03-19 01:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by Zoroaster@Mar 17 2003, 21:06 ** I thought I'd left these adolescent Hebe zionazis behind me when I quit posting at NewsMax. You're not wanted here, Hebe, your kind hangs out at Free Republic.
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You're a bigger sh*thead than I thought. Dont come asking me for help when you're bent over at the ayatollah's feet. Just look at how arabs treat other arabs, you'll see you dont stand a chance.
2003-03-19 02:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by Zoroaster@Mar 18 2003, 03:06 > Originally posted by Buchanan@Mar 11 2003, 01:31 ** This guy sobran is either an arab or in love with one. No way should saudi arabia be considered an ally. They've got to be one of the most anti Christian countries on the face of this earth **
I thought I'd left these adolescent Hebe zionazis behind me when I quit posting at NewsMax. You're not wanted here, Hebe, your kind hangs out at Free Republic.
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"Buchanan" is an obvious troll that should have been spotted a mile a way. Apperently he fooled a few people here for a time.
Years ago when my local daily rag posted a Sobran column critical of Israel, gangs of spitting, cursing Jews wrote in accusing Sobran of being an Arab.
The Jew always goes for ad hominem first.
2003-03-19 03:09 | User Profile
Wouldn't surprise me if "Buchanan" turned out to be the infamous "Cachelot" or one of RimJob's other agitators.
2003-03-19 03:14 | User Profile
Gotta watch those Ayatollahs and those Arabian superpowers. On the verge of enslaving the world, they're. And tricky! Why they're so smart they've figured out how to do it by inviting the US military over there. Wish I knew why they didn't long ago wipe out Israel. :(
Buchy, I don't know if you're serious or not. Seems more like not. But if you're representative of the average Amerikan then Amerikans deserve to be bred out of existence by their Jewish masters.
2003-03-20 01:21 | User Profile
Looks like you dissenters cant handle a little dissent yourself. Anyone who doesnt agree with the party line is called a Jew right away. You scumbags are so anti American its unbelievable.
2003-03-20 01:26 | User Profile
Saddam hussein is looking for someone to eat his sh*t. Looks like some of you would jump at the opportunity. I know sobran would.
2003-03-20 04:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by Buchanan@Mar 19 2003, 19:26 ** Saddam hussein is looking for someone to eat his sh*t. Looks like some of you would jump at the opportunity. I know sobran would. **
Could you explain to us why your vile race is so obsessed with the scatological?
2003-03-21 01:04 | User Profile
Cause we whites dont care for you sand negroes. You #### camels and suck their #####.
2003-03-21 02:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by Buchanan@Mar 21 2003, 01:04 ** Cause we whites dont care for you sand negroes. You #### camels and suck their #####. **
Carl Jung once remarked to Freud that the Jewish mind tends to obsess over scatology, phallic images, and incest, fixations that plague Buchanani's post. Little Leo, who shut down the SFF, exhibited the same kind of vile Hebe humor.
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