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2003-02-25 20:00 | User Profile
Protests Against Judeo-Christianity Strike Detroit
Says Pro-Israel "Christianity" Is Satanic
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We Hold These Truths / Project Strait Gate
**Detroit, Michigan -- THE TRUTH BEHIND THE EVANGELICAL CHURCHES
Chuck Carlson Comes to Detroit to Expose how Evangelical Churches Thwart the Bible to Support Israel. **
By Saad Husain
There's a protest rally going on. No, not the protest rally with millions and millions of people against the war on Iraq. It's not a protest rally against the administration and their new "Patriot Acts." It's not a protest rally against any recent atrocity in Palestine and what the Israeli's are doing there. But it's still a protest rally, and of all places against a church - The Calvary Community Church. It has a large conservative Christians congregation, the kind of evangelicals who not only solidly oppose abortion but who also tend to read the Bible as literally as possible, support people like Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson and vote Republican. This is the "silent majority" who provide the mainstream support of George W. Bush and his administration.
Chuck Carlson stands in front of the church holding a "PRO-LIFE" sign. He gets puzzled looks from the nicely dressed folks going to church, wondering what's going on. Then they see the second sign with "IRAQ? WWJD?" written on it. Now some understand. Carlson is asking is "What Would Jesus Do?" with respect to Iraq. Would Jesus support the killing of innocent life for financial or political gain? How can one be Pro-Life for the yet to be born, but support the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives? For Carlson, the answer is obvious. No true follower of Jesus could support a preemptive strike against another nation, even one as bad as Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
But this was not Carlson's first foray into questioning the mainstream church and their silence about innocent lives being killed. In 1991, he belonged to a Southern Baptist congregation in Arizona and was shocked that the pastor had nothing to say about the large loss of innocent Iraqi life in Operation Desert Storm. He and like-minded friends later founded a Internet site they call We Hold These Truths (www.whtt.org) to spread the group's message. He did not make it tax exempt like other religious-based groups to avoid the restrictions on political activity that come with nonprofit status but still gets no salary and mostly operates with volunteer labor.
He's led numerous protest marches against many different kinds of churches, focusing on conservative congregations that say they are anti-abortion but won't take a stand against the deaths that result from modern warfare. "We are truly a pro-life organization," Carlson insists. Before Christmas, Carlson and Project Strait Gate came to All Saints' Episcopal Church on North Central Avenue, displaying signs with slogans like "Choose Life, Not War" and "Blessed Are the Peacemakers." The march was very orderly since Carlson keeps the events small and request his companions not to raise their voices or to even use bullhorns. After the event, All Saints' Reverend Deane Lierle said, "They were very mannerly."
He was subsequently invited to give a talk in the Canton Masjid to inform members the underlying story behind the subtle changes in the Bible which transformed it from a book about Peace into a book which accede to the state of Israel. In spite of the frigid temperature in Michigan, Carlson readily agreed and was welcomed warmly. There was a preannouncement about the event on the February 14th Juma and so more than 100 people came to listen to his speech on February 16 after Zuhr.
Carlson explained how the Scofield Bible which is being commonly used to indoctrinate the Christian majority came about and about Scofield, how he had been arrested for fraud and forgery and was not a person who could be trusted, let alone be able to write a commentary on the Bible. He also explained how people like Pat Robertson and his ilk (Carlson calls them celebrity preachers) use the Scofield Bible as justification for what Israel is doing and to oppose Israel is to commit a sin!
He gave a little background: According to Gallop polls, 46 percent of Americans or about 127 million are evangelical Christians and many of those rely on the Scofield Bible. Jerry Falwell claims that 70 million "evangelicals" stand with him in support of Israel's right to eject 2.5 million Palestinians from Israel. Paul Boyer, retired professor of history at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and author of the book When Time Shall Be No More: Prophecy Belief in Modern American Culture says, "Part of the support for a war on Iraq is coming from fundamentalist believers who see it as a step in the fulfillment of biblical prophecy."
For Chuck Carlson, all of this means that many American Christians, who he says should be influenced by Jesus' teachings of peace and forgiveness, instead salivate over the prospect of wholesale destruction at the hands of American troops. "It's turned them into warmongers," he says. Evangelical Christians are a powerful voting bloc. They are the glue that holds Bush's war program together." He exposes a major chink in the War Machines Neo Conservative Armor.
-Saad Husain can be reached at saad@whtt.org
PROJECT STRAIT GATE (www.whtt.org/straitgate)
P.O. Box 14491
Scottsdale, AZ 85267
480 947 3329 (cecarl@whtt.org)
2003-02-25 23:09 | User Profile
We Hold These Truths is an excellent site. We've had a link up to them on our main index page for well over a year now.
2003-02-27 19:31 | User Profile
I found this article to be somewhat pertinent to the topic. Read the whole interview, there's some good stuff here especially pertaining to Cal Thomas-types, the false term "Judeo-Christian", and false dispensational doctrines.
Global Elite Promoting ââ¬ËEnd Timesââ¬â¢ Myth
Television gurus preaching a fraudulent ââ¬Åend timesââ¬Â and ââ¬Ålast daysââ¬Â
theory popularized in the 19th century are helping lay the
groundwork for world government by corralling good Christians
into supporting a doctrine that has no Biblical basis.
True Christian fundamentalism, based on the teachings of the Bible
takes the Bible at its word and accepts that Christ accomplished all
that he intended to do while on Earth and that His kingdom is here
and is within you. Thatââ¬â¢s the powerful thesis put forth by John
Anderson, producer of the video The Last Days. On Dec. 16,
Anderson made a return appearance on Radio Free America (RFA),
the weekly call-in talk forum sponsored by American Free Press
with host Tom Valentine. (A transcript of Andersonââ¬â¢s first
appearance on RFA was published in AFPââ¬â¢s issue No. 19.)
What follows is an edited transcript of the interview. Comments by
Valentine are in boldface. Andersonââ¬â¢s responses are in regular text.
** The person responsible for popularizing this clap-trap that the ââ¬Åend
timesââ¬Â and ââ¬Ålast daysââ¬Â are coming was a shady character named
Cyrus I. Scofield.**
Thatââ¬â¢s true, but Scofield was not the originator. Scofield got these false
teachings from John Darby, who got it from Edward Irving and Margaret
McDonald, a 14-year-old girl who had a dream and began writing letters to
Irving describing what she thought was going to happen.
Darby was one of the Plymouth Brethren and when Scofield got hold of what
Darby and others were teaching, he produced the Scofield Bible in 1909 and
there have been many revisions of it since then. Although they never say
ââ¬Åwhoââ¬Â revised Scofieldââ¬â¢s work.
Researchers have said that it was a powerful New York attorney, Samuel
Untermyer, who was instrumental in arranging for the Oxford Press, which
was controlled by the Rothschild banking family, patrons of the Zionist
movement, to publish the Scofield ââ¬Åbible."
** Students of history recall that Untermyer, who was a major player in
the Zionist movement, was the one who blackmailed President
Woodrow Wilson with the love letters that Wilson sent to his
mistress, a certain Mrs. Peck. The history of this sordid affair was
described in The Barnes Review* in its March/April 2000 issue. In
its January/ February 2001 issue, The Barnes Review described
Untermyerââ¬â¢s famous ââ¬Åholy warââ¬Â speech that helped launch World War
II.**
So many people today believe that the words of Scofield are the words of the
scripture. I tell people that if youââ¬â¢ve got a Scofield ââ¬Åbible,ââ¬Â then throw it
away.
Most people who call themselves Christians do not study and read Godââ¬â¢s
word for themselves or they allow their thinking to be influenced what they
have been told based on the teachings of Scofield.
If you look at the Tim LaHaye series, Left Behind, he and his associate have
each made some $10 million on this, playing on the fear and unknowing faith
of the Christian public. Doom and gloom sells, but truth does not.
** Thanks to the influence of Scofield and his sponsors, Untermyer and
the Rothschild family, many Christians today believe that God
promised a certain tract of land in the Middle East to the people we
know today as Israelis.**
You are referring to the promise that God made to Abraham. God keeps his
word and he certainly did. In Joshua 21, verses 43-45, it says that the Lord
God gave unto Israel all the land. So God did fulfill the promise that he made
to Abraham.
**But was the promise of this land to those known as the Hebrews a
promise that this would be their land forever?**
No, it was not. First of all, the old covenant between God and the Hebrews
was conditional. Although God kept his word, there was nothing in that
promise that it would be that way forever. The old covenant was conditional.
The key word is ââ¬Åif.ââ¬Â That is, if the Hebrews kept their part in their
covenant with God. But all throughout scripture the prophets
continue to predict that the Hebrews will break that covenant by
disobeying God and that, eventually, they will lose it all.
And eventually, they did lose it all. This is what is important: it was never
solely an ethnic issue as to who ââ¬ÅIsraelââ¬Â was. The issue always had to do
with those who had faith and believed in God.
For example, the United States is often referred to as a ââ¬ÅChristian nation.ââ¬Â
That does not mean that everyone in the United States is a Christian. But
those who follow Christ by faith and by faith alone are of that spiritual seed.
In Numbers 9:14, if strangers came in and kept the ordinances and the males
were circumcised, they were accepted as a part of Israel. So it was not that
this exclusive, nationalistic issue that many people try to hang onto. Spiritual
Israel was always the issue.
God said that Israel as a racial entity was going to be the one that the
prophecies were made to and the messiah was going to come through. God
divorced Israel but he did not divorce Judah, because the messiah had to
come through Judah, as the prophecy was made in Genesis 49:10.
Remember the parable that Jesus used about wineskin? He said you did not
put new wine into an old wineskin. The issue was that the new covenant was
not going to be accepted by old covenant Israel.
** Thatââ¬â¢s the key thing: people with power in this world refused to
accept Godââ¬â¢s prophecy and what He had brought about. You have
people who call themselves ââ¬ÅChristiansââ¬Â who believe that this
ââ¬ÅIsraelââ¬Â of today is still the Promised Land and that Godââ¬â¢s promise is
going on in perpetuity and that God has a hand in this modern-day
political mess in the Middle East and that we have an ââ¬Åend timesââ¬Â
coming. They suggest that Christ effectively failed and did not fulfill
Godââ¬â¢s plan.**
That is exactly what dispensational theology teaches: The Jews rejected the
kingdom and, as a result, it was put on hold. Thatââ¬â¢s utter nonsense. When
they came to Christ and tried to make him king after He had fed the 5,000, he
slipped away from them. He had not come to set up a physical kingdom. That
was never His intent. It was always a spiritual kingdom with a spiritual
people.
**To expect Christ to return and rule over a literal kingdom is to
believe that everything Christ did when he was here on Earth was a
failure. How could the Son of God be a failure?**
Correct. The people who are saying that Christ failed and has to return are
suggesting that God was caught off guard and He had to come up with a
ââ¬ÅPlan B.ââ¬Â Thatââ¬â¢s absurd. Yet we still have many evangelical Christians
believing this nonsense, thanks to Scofield.
** The historical and Biblical truths about the destruction of Jerusalem
are not something that is widely taught to Christians in America
today. Christians are not taught that this was the fulfillment of Godââ¬â¢s
promise and was literally the hand of God Himself destroying the old
order completely and totally.**
Every Jew knew that the ââ¬ÅHeaven and the Earthââ¬Â was the temple. Thatââ¬â¢s
what Jesus meant when He said that ââ¬ÅHeaven and Earthââ¬Â would pass but that
His word would not pass. That is the prophecy of Isaiah 65: the New
Jerusalem that came out of Heaven, the new ââ¬ÅHeaven and Earthââ¬Â that John
spoke about in Revelation 21 when he said he saw a new Heaven and Earth
and no more sea. What John was saying was that there was no more
separation, no more exclusivity. Now Godââ¬â¢s kingdom was open to all.
** The destruction of Jerusalem and the physical destruction of the old
temple by the Roman armies was a signal that Godââ¬â¢s kingdom was
now in place. Christ predicted in Matthew 24 what would happen, and
the truth is that what happened in Jerusalem in the times of
Titusââ¬âthe Roman who destroyed Jerusalemââ¬âyou cannot find
anything else in history to match it for horrible events.**
Christ said that the whole system that the Pharisees stood for was going to be
destroyed. His disciples came to him on the Mount of Olives and asked,
ââ¬ÅWhen shall these things be?ââ¬Â Every one of them knew that there was going
to be a new Heaven and Earth, a new age, a new covenant. Christ described
to them all that would happen before it would transpire.
Today people say that we are living in ââ¬Åthe last daysââ¬Â and the world is coming
to an end, but in Luke 21 (which is parallel to Matthew 24 and Mark 13),
Christ said, ââ¬ÅTake heed that you be not deceived for many shall come in my
name, saying, ââ¬ËI am Christ. The end draweth near.ââ¬Â He said you shall hear of
wars and rumors of wars and then said that there would be wrath upon ââ¬Åthis
people.ââ¬Â Thatââ¬â¢s the key: heââ¬â¢s referring to the flesh-and-blood individuals he
was talking to at that time. The issue in Luke 21 is that he said that only the
apostles themselves would be able to say when the end had come. That
means that anyone after them would be a false prophet if they were
predicting the end times had come to Earth.
The prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem was made to those people in
that land, not to the whole world and that is another key to understanding all
of this.
** The people of Jerusalem practically ate each other. It was a
horrendous end time in the most classic sense.**
Josephus, the historian, even said that if Titus, the Roman, had not lifted his
finger, the Jews of the time would have probably destroyed themselves from
within. More than a million were killed and, at the end, only 100,000 were left.
They went into captivity.
*** There is a well-known Christian columnist, Cal Thomas, who seems
to believe that everything Israeli leader Ariel Sharon does is directed
by God Himself.* **
That is the sentiment today: that everything Israel does is because it is
ordained by God.
** The original ââ¬ÅIsraelââ¬Â was dissolved by God, and if you look at the
world today from a correct Biblical sense, based upon what we have in
the Bible, there is no such thing as a ââ¬ÅJew.ââ¬Â**
The Jewish Encyclopedia itself says there is no such thing as a Jewish race.
There is only a Jewish religion now and that is what came out of Babylon and
had nothing to do with the Bible and its times.
** Is todayââ¬â¢s Judaism the religion of the tribe of Judah?**
Predominantly today, yes. Under the years of Babylonian captivity they came
up with the synagogue-type of Judaism that is being practiced today. When
you start looking at the Jewish Talmud, you find things to tally contrary to
Godââ¬â¢s word, yet there are some today who say that ââ¬ÅChristianity came out of
Judaism,ââ¬Â and that is absurd. We are not a Judeo-Christian country. The
United States started out as a Godly, Christian country. Not all of those who
founded this country were Christian but at least the ideas of the Bible were
incorporated into our nation by many of the Founding Fathers.
** God had his prophets on the Earth and when Christ fulfilled the
promise, the temple was gone and the old way of doing things was
wiped out.**
It was fulfilled. Itââ¬â¢s amazing to me that there are those who donââ¬â¢t believe it.
We say ââ¬Åtrust in Jesusââ¬Â and ââ¬Åtake him at His word,ââ¬Â but many donââ¬â¢t.
** Every single person has Jesus right there if he so chooses. It has
nothing to do with race or sex or height or anything. Godââ¬â¢s kingdom is
within us.**
It is open to any and all who believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ.
* For information on ordering issues of The Barnes Review, call (877)
773-9077, email barnesrev@hotmail.com or write P.O. Box 15877,
Washington, D.C. 20003.
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2003-03-06 19:40 | User Profile
any judeo-christian is not a Christian