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2002-02-28 03:28 | User Profile

Pick Up Your Gun:  A Reply to Jonah Goldberg

by Paul Fallavollita

http://www.opinionet.com/commentary/contributors/ccpf/2002/ccpf16.htm

Jonah Goldberg challenged paleoconservatives in twin columns responding to Buchanan’s latest book, The Death of the West. The first, "Ideologues Have Hijacked an Important Debate," appeared in the Los Angeles Times, and the second, "Killing Whitey: What’s white, right, and wrong about Pat," ran in National Review Online. Their themes are contained in this quote: "The paleocons…denounce all conservatives who don’t toe their line as ‘neocons’ who’ve ‘caved’ to the liberals on all the important issues. But, that’s only true if you consider the important issues to revolve around this narrow and nasty emphasis on what Peter Brimelow calls America’s ‘specific ethnic core."

Goldberg should adjust his ranking of conservatism’s priorities. Peter Brimelow’s "National Question" even trumps "family values" concerns dear to social conservatives. Balanced budgets and booming economies are worthless if the moral fabric of society is in a shambles, but before we can redeem our people, the people first have to exist intact.

Goldberg describes as "narrow and nasty" what in the paleoconservative constellation of beliefs is merely a sort of "back to basics" movement. Liberalism, having run rampant for many decades, now threatens the most basic thing: Life itself. It’s high time conservatives mustered the courage to defend those basics, even in the face of the moral squeamishness that characterizes the Left and much of the so-called Right in this country. More endangers the continued existence of White Americans than the fertility rates Goldberg quibbles over in his columns, such as the convergence of high Third World immigration rates with a rising incidence of miscegenation. Buchanan’s book fosters open discussion of these threats, perforating the thick veil of political correctness.

Have the neocons caved to the liberals? Let’s take stock of the basic tenets of the Left. The Left holds that human beings are equal and interchangeable, that they are fundamentally good and perfectible, and that at base, they are rational and have a "harmony of interests." The Left also views human beings as products of their environment, rather than heredity. To them, we are all brothers, and there should be no conflict, competition, or "group egoism" among men.

Before the full ascendancy of the Left in the 1960s, the majority of Americans in every generation stretching back to the Founding Fathers struggled to preserve the European racial character of the United States, and passed accompanying laws. They were not egalitarians, but group egoists. One wonders, though, if Goldberg understands this historical fact, since he suggests paleocons have "surrendered" to a form of "Balkanization" promoted by the multicultural Left (who came to America much later). The neocons are the "odd men out," having less in common with America’s past and much in common with her hijackers.

To some, group egoism may seem "narrow and nasty." Yet, it has been a part of human life since time began, and even has survival value, as Michael Masters and Sir Arthur Keith argue. Our language has inherited a string of clichés confirming the centrality of group egoism in our development: blood is thicker than water; good fences make good neighbors; all’s fair in love and war. As conservatives, we must accord respect to this age-old fact. Even Goldberg is not fully exempt from group egoism, if his comparison of Buchanan to Yasser Arafat is evidence of his strong commitment to the State of Israel.

In his NRO piece, Goldberg doubts that the blessings of the West stem from any genetic component. In the LAT, he tells paleoconservatives "hiding out in their bunkers on the web and in the pages of a few obscure publications" that "race isn’t the point, so drop it, now." Much material in circulation challenges Goldberg’s position, though, maybe too much to "drop" so cavalierly. There are many scientific treatises, from Rushton’s Race, Evolution, and Behavior to Murray and Herrnstein’s The Bell Curve, suggesting that race is a meaningful category of study. Many find that there are significant differences between the races in terms of mental as well as physical characteristics, in ways that affect the task of carrying on a civilization such as ours.

Beyond the scientific dimensions of race, what is more interesting is that to many people, race obviously means something. Why all the taboos surrounding the topic, if race is of no import? Why all the PC censorship and hysterical thought police activity surrounding the issue? Who benefits from shaming Whites into silence about race? Why is Goldberg, a very influential conservative, worried enough about the popularity of Buchanan’s book to pen two columns?

It is in the interest of White Americans to vie for their share in the arena of the racial politics Goldberg sneers at, rather than pretending that arena doesn’t exist. Regular Americans, or middle class, White heterosexuals, ironically occupy the most besieged demographic in the very country their ancestors founded and built. Anybody can dump on them, from immigrants this side of the hole in the fence to any two-bit trumped-up feminazi. Ignoring race in this age of La Raza, the ADL, and the NAACP is akin to unilateral disarmament.

Goldberg states, "Rather than focusing on how to create a rational immigration policy that recognizes the permanence of America's ethnic diversity, [paleoconservatives] live in denial about how to get back to the days when America was 90% white." Well, liberals always nag conservatives to quit pining for the past. The Left brags that they own the future, that America is progressive and "hip" now. They advise us to just give up and "go with the flow." Well, I hope Goldberg will forgive me if I resist the coming brave new world. I am looking to the future, one in which the Left is an old memory, and the status quo ante reigns.

The clock can be turned back, if we had the political will to do so. The government made a political decision in 1965 to import a new, Third World electorate for itself, and one day it will make the decision to reverse the first. The situation is not as inevitable and unchangeable as Goldberg suggests; history is replete with examples of much bolder changes. Goldberg has a personal stake in making it seem impossible to effect change, to cultivate a defeatist attitude among paleoconservatives. Goldberg’s psychological warfare techniques are ineffective against the informed and dedicated.

Conjuring political will, by contrast, is a tricky thing for the squishy Right. Goldberg asks, "How do you win in a democracy when you take as a given that vast numbers of voters are essentially less American?" His question reveals the mistaken belief that America should be a democracy, something that the Founders clearly rejected in establishing this Republic. This is yet more evidence of Goldberg conforming to a liberal ethic.

His question also indicates a deeper flaw, one characteristic of the neocons. They seek to practice "regular" politics, as if this were a friendly competition with "the Democrats," all playing by the same rules, competing for votes, and the like. They fail to see that the standards of the Left-defined "mainstream" do not apply to our program. True conservatives, at this point in post-American history, are fundamentally different. We are not the party of government and politics; it is our task to resist, to turn back what liberalism has gained since 1913. Our goal is not to "go along to get along," for we are counterrevolutionary insurgents using political means, for now. Our mission is to overturn the current Establishment, a regime revealed to be illegitimate. There is no room for compromise or coexistence.

Goldberg tells paleoconservatives to "drop it" regarding race. Why take his advice? In the midst of a fight for our lives against the Left, he chose to drop one of his most powerful guns. Paleoconservatives aren’t hiding in bunkers, but fighting on the very battlefield that Goldberg and friends deserted.


Texas Dissident

2002-02-28 06:40 | User Profile

Excellent post that deserves to be in Neo-Con Watch.


Pomona

2002-03-02 04:10 | User Profile

Goldberg lives, and has always lived, in a cocoon.  He has always been kept away and protected from reality.  Whenever I hear from him, or people like him, it becomes quickly obvious that they do not have a clue about what is going on in this nation.  And they clearly do not want to know.  They think it is safer to pretend.

George Will is also in Goldberg's league.


Faust

2002-03-02 22:57 | User Profile

PaleoconAvatar:

Great Post!

"Liberalism, having run rampant for many decades, now threatens the most basic thing: Life itself."-Paul Fallavollita


van helsing

2002-03-05 02:30 | User Profile

note to lurking neocons:

yall can 'drop it' first.

or better yet, venture beyond the beltway out to flyover country...


Texas Dissident

2002-03-05 06:23 | User Profile

**Quote** (van helsing @ Mar. 04 2002,20:30)
note to lurking neocons: yall can 'drop it' first. or better yet, venture beyond the beltway out to flyover country...** LOL.  That brings to mind more than a few ol' Hank, Jr. songs. --- ### mwdallas *2002-03-05 22:30* | [User Profile](/od/user/81) The most astute point of Fallavollita's: "Why all the taboos surrounding the topic, if race is of no import? Why all the PC censorship and hysterical thought police activity surrounding the issue? Who benefits from shaming Whites into silence about race?" The fact that the ultimate taboo involves race should suggest that -- for the Left -- the agenda is racial.  MacDonald has hit the nail on the head. --- ### amundsen *2002-03-05 22:48* | [User Profile](/od/user/5)
**Quote** (mwdallas @ Mar. 05 2002,16:30)
Who benefits from shaming Whites into silence about race?** Who benefits from shaming southerners over the war and slavery?  Who benefits over shaming them over segregation?  Who benefits over shaming the Germans for WWII? --- ### Campion Moore Boru *2002-03-07 08:30* | [User Profile](/od/user/31)
**Quote** (AntiYuppie @ Mar. 04 2002,19:35)
Here's another rant from little boy Jonah: Jonah Goldberg, editor of National Review Online, wrote in the  L.A. Times on 2/24/02: "We get Peter Brimelow, a once-respected conservative voice who now runs the shrill anti-immigration website VDARE.com …Rather than focusing on how to create a rational immigration policy that recognizes the permanence of America's ethnic diversity, they live in denial about how to get back to the days when America was 90% white. … Hiding out in their bunkers on the web and in the pages of a few obscure publications, these unhappy paleoconservatives and neo-nativists have rallied the troops under a single flag: white supremacy. … Take Brimelow's VDARE.com, which features--pardon the expression--a Chinese menu of white-pride dishes. Some authors concentrate on genetic questions … [T]he writings of the anti-immigration right are a bonfire of fear and hyperbole …Race isn't the point, so drop it. Now." One cannot help but notice the typical Khazarian smugness and arrogance in Goldberg's burblings. "Race isn't the point, so drop it. Now." Now, who exactly is this fulsome little brat to be giving Brimelow (who the puerile Khazar has the audacity to refer to as a "once respected conservative") orders? Brimelow has been a fixture of the Right for decades while boy Jonah is just an opportunistic little interloper who by all rights should be writing for *National Inquirer*. We on the right all have William F. Buckley to thank for the current state of affairs, a "conservatism" where nonentities like Goldberg get to decide what is "respectable" and have the opportunity to arrogantly bark orders at their intellectual and moral superiors. Honestly, how does WFB sleep at night? Should not Buckley do the honorable thing and hang himself like Judas for his betrayal of his old comrades, colleagues, mentors, and friends?** Well said AY. The Buckley situation is quite tragic really. Natl. Review and Firing Line were integral parts to my political maturation. I had always admired what I believed to be Buckley's courage and wisdom, though I never fully agreed with him. After reading Sobran's piece on his firing from NR, I have nothing but contempt for Buckley and his effete posturings. What a coward. Goldberg's headship over the internet version of NR is merely the natual flowering of this capitulation.

Rather than focusing on how to create a rational immigration policy that recognizes the permanence of America's ethnic diversity, they live in denial about how to get back to the days when America was 90% white.

Er.... what the hell does that sentence mean? Does Jonah self-edit? :D

Though young, I can recall the days when Buckley (even then in semi-retirement) would devote half a page of NR to quibbling over the proper usage of a semi-colon. Now we are witness to a non-entity, the partial inheritor of Buckley's mantle, grammatically and thematically stumbling over himself in his haste to call true patriots and men of letters "white supremacists." Jonah is truly the comical exaggeration of Neo-connery: talentless, cliche-ridden, eager to ostracize others, and at the bottom of anyone's list of "thought-provoking columnists".

To paraphrase Eliot:

This is the way NR ends, Not with a Bang, but with a Whine. --- ### Sertorius *2002-03-09 12:12* | [User Profile](/od/user/26) [quote=AntiYuppie,Mar. 04 2002,18:35] AntiYuppie,

**Quote**
We on the right all have William F. Buckley to thank for the current state of affairs, a "conservatism" where nonentities like Goldberg get to decide what is "respectable" and have the opportunity to arrogantly bark orders at their intellectual and moral superiors.** Quite true. One day, either in this world or the next Buckley will pay dearly for this. While we talk about moral cowards and worse let`s not forget another person who fits in the same catagory. That person would be [color=red]**Rush Limbaugh**[/color]. He too, has alot to answer for from his efforts to deliberately mislead and in some cases out right lying to his audience. As for Goldberg all I can say that I guess the cosmopolitan upper eastside of New York isn`t sufficent a comfort zone for him. He might wish to think of moving to- say [color=lightblue]Israel.[/color] There he can lecture people over there the joys of living in a multicultural society like he has been doing with us. For some reason I don`t think Jonah will do that for I believe that in the case of the Palestinians verses the Israelis that he would say that`s different. He might even base that on a fairy tale about being "god`s chosen people." It`s only us here in America that have to put up with that nonsense. --- ### Faust *2003-05-03 08:46* | [User Profile](/od/user/60) The truth is spoken! > **Before the full ascendancy of the Left in the 1960s, the majority of Americans in every generation stretching back to the Founding Fathers struggled to preserve the European racial character of the United States, and passed accompanying laws. They were not egalitarians, but group egoists. One wonders, though, if Goldberg understands this historical fact, since he suggests paleocons have "surrendered" to a form of "Balkanization" promoted by the multicultural Left (who came to America much later).** --- ### Zoroaster *2003-05-03 10:50* | [User Profile](/od/user/35) Goldberg's place in the sun results from Jewish control of the media. Goldberg, if not for the influence of his tribe,would just be another obnoxious Jew shooting off his mouth in some Hymie-town coffee house. Silence is the most perfect expression of contempt. The best course of action, then, for genuine conservatives when it comes to dealing with Goldberg and his ilk, is simply to ignore them. The whole point of bringing such dull, third-rate intellects as Goldberg into the national consciousness is to poison lemmings with the tribes's viewpoint, i.e. Jewish moral superiority and the supremacy of Israel. To give Goldberg any kind of pulicity, even the most severe form of criticism, is to further the Jewish cause. --- ### NeoNietzsche *2003-05-03 13:53* | [User Profile](/od/user/204) > *Originally posted by Campion Moore Boru*@Mar 7 2002, 02:30 **The Buckley situation is quite tragic really. Natl. Review and Firing Line were integral parts to my political maturation. I had always admired what I believed to be Buckley's courage and wisdom, though I never fully agreed with him. After reading Sobran's piece on his firing from NR, I have nothing but contempt for Buckley and his effete posturings. What a coward. Goldberg's headship over the internet version of NR is merely the natu[r]al flowering of this capitulation.** Rockwell wrote that he and Buckley had worked together briefly in the early days, and that he, Rockwell, was then of the distinct impression that WFB had figured out who was running the ranch. What, then, could have been the point of all that followed? --- ### Exelsis_Deo *2003-05-03 18:54* | [User Profile](/od/user/280) We live and will continue to live in post-modern America. No organization however strong can ever chnge the facts. The Civil War was fought and died for. We must figure out a way to live together all humans and sub-humans.. if you TRULY believe that Whites are superior ( I believe that also ) then you must try and form another nation. Let's do it.. let's put all our resources together, it isn't going to happen in America. It just IS NOT. Canada and its territories, the Caribbean islands, Greenland.. this is where it can happen. No-one has the balls....... NO WHITE HAS THE BALLS . To create a new NATION... based on truth and to set forth.. it's needed. But it will not happen. It will not happen.............. --- ### Roger Bannister *2003-05-04 04:26* | [User Profile](/od/user/165) The way things are headed, a civil war is inevitable. No matter how much rationalizing, philosphizing, etc. goes on, human nature rules in the end. Whites as group will eventually become very, very uncomfortable, threatened. Then it will get interesting. Not in a nice way. Goldberg and his smelly crew say that the multi culti situation is inevitable, will be forever. They say this so that the masses will hear it, and believe it. They know that it is quite possible for things to collapse, and for the Jews and everyone else to end up running for the borders if whites, forced into a corner, reacted with group rage and vengance. Don't think that situation is impossible. It isn't. Things can turn quickly, so quickly we'll find ourselves in the middle of it before we realize the physical battle is on in earnest. --- ### Faust *2005-01-07 04:48* | [User Profile](/od/user/60) PaleoconAvatar, A great article, you should post more often! :cheers: ---