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Thread ID: 5046 | Posts: 35 | Started: 2003-02-16
2003-02-16 14:57 | User Profile
While lurking over at Liberty Post, I came across this link to a Freerepublic thread and perused that thread concerning Ron Paul.
[url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/843490/posts]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom...om/843490/posts[/url]
If one thread can explicitly and succinctly demonstrate the hypocrisy and ideological fraud of Freerepublic--this is it.
To all true American conservative defenders of the constitutional republic as envisioned by the founding fathers, Ron Paul must be a hero--one of the few voices of sanity in a sea of big government hypocrits.
Of course, the treatment he receives at the hands of the freeper machine clearly indicates the Freerepublic agenda--the big government, neo-con agenda. He's getting the Buchanan treatment.
And, the numbers of "comment removed by moderator" indicate the great magnitute of censorship at Freerepublic. And, the thread itself has been relocated to some FR cyber corner called the "Smokey backroom". I surmise that if the article wasn't posted at Liberty Post, it would not exist on FR at all.
The true American conservative participants on the thread are scratching thier heads.
To see and realize (as if one actually needed confirmation of this anyway) the true conservative fraud that FR is and has become, read this thread.
2003-02-16 16:30 | User Profile
W. Bales,
No surprise here about the freepers. I have heard some of them on nitwit Hannity`s program and they really are dumber than a box of rocks.
Ron Paul is a paleolibertarian and a fine man, in my opinion. He certainly beats 99.9% of anyone else in the House.
True "Freeper" colors?
White and Blue.
2003-02-16 18:20 | User Profile
There are still people at TOS whose posts I find worth reading -- labelledamesansmerci especially -- but just a few. Kind of sad what happened to the place.
2003-02-16 20:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by Sertorius@Feb 16 2003, 12:30 **True "Freeper" colors?
White and Blue.**
Ouch! But definitely true.
2003-02-16 23:06 | User Profile
Still some good Freepers left.
To: Pay now bill Clinton
Ron Paul bump. A true patriot.
5 posted on 02/14/2003 12:15 PM PST by steve50
To: steve50
I'll second that!! The bile that is being spewed on this board towards many good Americans who don't agree that we should conquer the world and IMPOSE 'democracy' (all the while throwing what's left of it here overboard for 'security' - duct tape, plastic sheeting and wand rape at airports) is beyond the pale. It's starting to smell in America - a peculiar Weimar-type odor...
7 posted on 02/14/2003 12:20 PM PST by MRAR15Guy56
To: steve50
Give 'em hell, Ron.
9 posted on 02/14/2003 12:24 PM PST by JohnGalt
To: MRAR15Guy56
What would you expect from the neocons. Ron Paul doesn't just pay lip service to the Constitution, he votes according to it. These elitist goons in DC don't keep us free, that wonderful document does. That's why both major parties are intent on destroying it.
10 posted on 02/14/2003 12:25 PM PST by steve50
To: steve50
Ron Paul doesn't just pay lip service to the Constitution, he votes according to it.
Yet, he's gutless.
He runs as a Republican, instead of on the Libertarian ticket.
He'd likely be more at home in buckled shoes and a powdered wig.
16 posted on 02/14/2003 12:34 PM PST by sinkspur
To: sinkspur
Yet, he's gutless....He runs as a Republican, instead of on the Libertarian ticket....He'd likely be more at home in buckled shoes and a powdered wig.
You're just ticked off because he doesn't kiss King George's ring.
20 posted on 02/14/2003 12:37 PM PST by Sangamon Kid
To: xzins
If you like the Patriot Act under Bush, you are going to LOVE it under Clinton. She COULD end up as your president in 2004, you know?
27 posted on 02/14/2003 12:42 PM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
To: Catspaw
The hypocrite Ron Paul turns my stomach.
Okay, I'll bite. How is Dr. Paul a hypocrite? He may be the only member of Congress who has consistently said what he thinks. Or perhaps a hypocrite is anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with your narrow point of view. Ron Paul is a damn fine American and sure as hell is no hypocrite.
28 posted on 02/14/2003 12:44 PM PST by nofriendofbills (Quando omni flunkus moritati)
To: PhiKapMom
By the same logic, George W. Bush, who by his own admission does not agree with the 100% Pro-life stance of the Republican Party Platform; and who by his calls for ever bigger unconstitutional spending programs like AIDS for Africa and mentors for prisoner's children, shows his true colors, is a hypocrite too.
I submit that Ron Paul is the real Republican -- his beliefs (and more importantly, his actions) more closely align with the pro life, limited constitutional government that the Republican Party espouses.
Duhbya on the other hand, is just another big-goverment neocon RINO. If the Republicans no longer believe in what their platform espouses - they should be honest about it and change it.
32 posted on 02/14/2003 12:48 PM PST by Aristophanes
To: Aristophanes
and who by his calls for ever bigger unconstitutional spending programs like AIDS for Africa
PhiKapMom doesn't like the unconstitutional AIDS spending either...Oh wait, that was when Clinton was president.
36 posted on 02/14/2003 1:00 PM PST by Sir Gawain
To: Catspaw; dep; sinkspur
Ron Paul a "liberal" or enemy of the GOP? Hardly.
1) George W. Bush is growing the federal government (most notably non-defense spending) at three times the rate of inflation. Under Bush, government spending as a share of the GDP is growing, after a decade of decline under Clinton (I'm as shocked as you about the Clinton thing.) 2) Ron Paul votes against the expanse of government and strictly adheres to Constitutional principles, which I believe is exactly the credo FreeRepublic is based on.
So just who is the "bad Republican"?
Sadly, FreeRepublic has devolved from a gathering place for principled patriots to a site for people to compete to see who can give the Republican Party the biggest "Monica" and spit on the Constitution when they're done.
So that's why I'm adopting a new tradition. Whenever GOP Kool-Aid guzzlers start attacking the only Congressman who takes the Republican Party platform of smaller government seriously, I'm sending a $100 check to Ron's campaign. Counting this thread, Ron just made $200 today, and I'm not running out of money anytime soon (unless Republicans, minus Ron Paul, continue expanding government at three times the rate of inflation.)
45 posted on 02/14/2003 1:39 PM PST by The Federal Farmer
To: Sangamon Kid
I guess that leaves only the neo-cons in the party.
Indeed. Neo-cons were adoring followers of Trotsky just a couple of decades ago, and now they DARE to tell us who is and who is not a loyal, patriotic American. Makes me sick! Conservatives need to boot the neo-cons OUT of the conservative movement!
60 posted on 02/14/2003 2:25 PM PST by Zviadist
To: PhiKapMom
Ron Paul only became a Republican to get elected something that seems missed by his followers on here!
That's not exactly true. Ron Paul started out in Congress back in 1974 as a Republican from the TX 22nd district. He was also one of the first congressmen on board Reagan's candidacy for President. He stayed in the House until 1984 when he ran in the GOP primary for John Tower's open senate seat. Fellow Texas congressman Phil Gramm won the nomination. Paul ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988. Around 1995 there was talk going on that a Republican could successfully challenge his congressman, Democrat Greg Laughlin, who represented a conservative rural district. Some of the locals started recruiting Paul to seek the GOP nomination to take on Laughlin and word got out he was interested in running. The DC crowd, who didn't want Paul back in Washington, began aggressively courting Laughlin to switch parties, which he then did forcing a primary between Paul and Laughlin. All the national money came in along with Newt Gingrich and other big GOP names for Laughlin, but the volunteers went with Paul and he won the nomination. He's been elected in TX 14 ever since with increasingly high support. In 2002 he won with one of the highest GOP percentages in the state.
So yes, Ron Paul ran as a libertarian ONCE in 1988. By contrast, he was run as a Republican in 1974's special election for congress, 1976, 1978, 1980, 1982, 1984 for Senate, 1996 for congress again, 1998, 2000, and 2002. As he says it, his party affiliation changed once and back again but his beliefs have always been the same.
97 posted on 02/14/2003 4:32 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
2003-02-17 00:43 | User Profile
RimJob has hit a new low. Check out the front page:
Join Operation Infinite FReep! As we move closer to war with Iraq, more and more of the America hating anti-war vermin are crawling out of the woodwork. Anti-war protests are mushrooming up in cities all across the nation. We will not allow these leftist demonstrations to go unanswered. FReepers are countering these pro-terrorists wherever and whenever they pop up. Form a group, grab your signs, unfurl the flag and support your country!****
Simply disgusting.
2003-02-17 03:06 | User Profile
How about two small edits:
As we move closer to war with NORTH VIETNAM, more and more of the America hating anti-war vermin are crawling out of the woodwork. Anti-war protests are mushrooming up in cities all across the nation. We will not allow these leftist demonstrations to go unanswered. FReepers are countering these pro-COMMUNISTS wherever and whenever they pop up. Form a group, grab your signs, unfurl the flag and support your country!
My brother was in Vietnam (67--two purple hearts and a broze star with the 101st ABN) and I am a Vietnam era veteran. We both now agree and it seems to be generally accepted common knowledge that the Vietnam War was full of sh*t--a politician's war--a useless and horrific waste of human life and money on both sides.
In freeperland, is there any war--any military action on any foreign land and directed by the United States federal government/ZOG for which it would be acceptable for an American conservative to oppose??
In any case, these neo-con arm chair warriors seem mighty gung ho when it comes to sending American men into battle--Support Our Troops!! Send them to WAR!! Gag a f**king maggot.
2003-02-17 03:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by Javelin@Feb 16 2003, 20:43 ** RimJob has hit a new low. Check out the front page:
Join Operation Infinite FReep! As we move closer to war with Iraq, more and more of the America hating anti-war vermin are crawling out of the woodwork. Anti-war protests are mushrooming up in cities all across the nation. We will not allow these leftist demonstrations to go unanswered. FReepers are countering these pro-terrorists wherever and whenever they pop up. Form a group, grab your signs, unfurl the flag and support your country!****
Simply disgusting. **
The thing about this is that the "mainstream conservatives" will not acknowledge that there is opposition to the war coming from the Right. It's inconceivable to them; they have no mental categories capable of processing that reality. That's why they'll call anti-war conservatives like Buchanan "liberals." This little quirk of theirs fascinates me.
2003-02-17 19:29 | User Profile
The thing about this is that the "mainstream conservatives" will not acknowledge that there is opposition to the war coming from the Right.
Yeah, RimJob constantly talks about "liberal disruptors" wanting to make FR "look bad", yet I would bet that 99% of the banished were to the right of RimJob. By denying that anyone to the right of himself is to the right, he's able to maintain the lie that he really is a patriot and is doing all he can to straighten the country out. Maintream Freakerdom is very grateful for this, since they don't have to think any truly unpleasent thoughts or make any real sacrifices. Just sit back, contribute to RimJob, bitch about liberals and carry a sign once in a while with a pro Republican message and everything will be fine.
2003-02-17 19:43 | User Profile
Yeah, RimJob constantly talks about "liberal disruptors" wanting to make FR "look bad", yet I would bet that 99% of the banished were to the right of RimJob. By denying that anyone to the right of himself is to the right, he's able to maintain the lie that he really is a patriot and is doing all he can to straighten the country out. Maintream Freakerdom is very grateful for this, since they don't have to think any truly unpleasent thoughts or make any real sacrifices. Just sit back, contribute to RimJob, bitch about liberals and carry a sign once in a while with a pro Republican message and everything will be fine.
Hopefully more of them will change that pattern when they realize, after a while, that things aren't fine and that they're not becoming better.
I'm wondering if that batch of "good Freepers" Faust posted above will be the next to get the "nuke" treatment. People at the Sam Francis board used to say that FR was one of the best forums, or "factories," for creating people sympathetic to the paleo cause since the antics of the mods and the Amen Corner over there are enough to wake up a lot of well-meaning, otherwise naive conservative-leaning posters. Maybe the posters Faust sampled above are the latest "graduating class" who have figured out the Great Scam that is FR and the GOP.
2003-02-18 00:18 | User Profile
Well, the guy who posted the FR thread on Ron Paul has been banned.
"Pay now bill Clinton signed up 1999-09-19. This account has been banned."
Wow. On FR for 3 years, 5 months. Then banned.
FR -- FraudRepublic.
2003-02-18 00:33 | User Profile
Check this out....
[url=http://www.bettybowers.com/protests.html]Tens of Bush Supporters Take To the Streets In Support of the President[/url]
2003-02-18 00:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by w.bales@Feb 17 2003, 20:18 ** Well, the guy who posted the FR thread on Ron Paul has been banned.
"Pay now bill Clinton signed up 1999-09-19. This account has been banned."
Wow. On FR for 3 years, 5 months. Then banned.
FR -- FraudRepublic. **
Not a shock. Hopefully he'll find his way over to a forum like this one.
FR is its own worst enemy--its policies continually create a crop of more enemies for itself, much like the American Empire its users often defend.
2003-02-18 00:38 | User Profile
Originally posted by w.bales@Feb 18 2003, 00:18 **Well, the guy who posted the FR thread on Ron Paul has been banned.
"Pay now bill Clinton signed up 1999-09-19. This account has been banned."
Wow. On FR for 3 years, 5 months. Then banned.
FR -- FraudRepublic.**
I'm not sure, but I think Pay Now Bill Clinton was Jewish or half-Jewish so he was granted far more leeway that a standard Goy would have been.
2003-02-18 00:50 | User Profile
W. Bales,
Kudos to your brother.
**In freeperland, is there any war--any military action on any foreign land and directed by the United States federal government/ZOG for which it would be acceptable for an American conservative to oppose?? **
Yes. Clinton`s intervention in Bosnia and his war against Serbia. Wait a minute. That was then. Now that Bush has decided he wants to stay in those areas, Neo-con radio that they get their talking points from now claim these operations as "promoting freedom" and have the nerve to brag about these operations when they were correctly raising hell about this. Note the "freepers" can switch gears so smoothlessly to go alone with this nonsense.
Sickening.
Javelin,
Your post below W. Bales caused me to break out in :lol: :lol: :lol:
2003-02-18 00:53 | User Profile
Tens of Bush Supporters Take To the Streets In Support of the President
[NOTE TO FOX NEWS: Start TelePrompTer here]
Too rich!!!
2003-02-18 01:14 | User Profile
[url=http://www.fredoneverything.net/Cambodia.shtml]http://www.fredoneverything.net/Cambodia.shtml[/url]
War: Maybe We Could Go Bowling Instead FRED REED
Wars are seductive as women in the night. Past midnight in February of 1967 we stood, the platoon and I, on the flight line at El Toro Marine Air Station, gateway to Asia. On the tarmac big jets howled and moaned. The smell of burned jet fuel blew in the Pacific breeze. We felt the exhilaration of being part of something huge moving in the darkness, of going to the action, of leaving the mundane. The attraction of war verges on the lascivious. It gets into your blood.
And so we went. Young men always go. Always there is another war. Always there are reasons. In the past these were straightforward: lust, booty, excitement, empire, a way to escape the family yurt, sheer joyous combativeness, the king was bored. Not much has changed.
Long hours later we landed in the sweltering sauna of Danang with its gun emplacements and fwop-fwopping helo traffic and sun-baked Marines with slung rifles; 105s boomed in the distance. It was, in the vulgar but irreplaceable expression of the times, a mind-f*ck. We weren't back on the block combing our hair for Sally Sue and facing a career at the NAPA outlet. We were real soldiers, who couldn't find Vietnam on a map, fighting VC who couldn't find Vietnam on a map. We didn't reflect on this. Marines fought. Somebody else decided who they fought.
Perspectives change. Later, for veterans who no longer had legs or eyes, who had lost their guts or become paras and quads, the splendor dimmed. I came home in a packed Medevac 141 with a guy slung above me sprouting tubes that led into bags. He died en route. Those who survived soon realized that in six months no one would care what they had gone through, yet they would spend the rest of their lives in the wheel chair. A colostomy bag, they found, was not a great conversation piece in a singles bar. For them, the war never went away.
Spend a year on a casualty ward. When the girlfriend of seventeen from Chattanooga finds that her Mikey is blind and doesn't precisely have a face, her expression is something to see. Or not to see. You can become disposed to ask: Is this war for anything? Or is it just a war?
Mostly they are just wars. Vietnam was just a war. We lost, and nothing happened. You might be surprised how many in the Disabled American Veterans quietly hate those who sent them.* Yes, I will get angry mail, from those fiercest of warriors, the 103rd Combat Virgins Division, grrr, bow-wow, woof, telling that that I am a commie and a coward and wear lace underwear. I'm impressed in advance.
Later, as a reporter, I spent a year between Saigon and Phnom Penh, leaving both cities with their evacuations. The Asia I saw in the complex warren off Truong Minh Ky was not the Asia of the GIs.** It was complex, variegated, enduring. I liked the Vietnamese. I still do. I am glad that we killed only a million of them.
This you must never say. Wars are better if you don't look too closely. Never, ever, think about what is actually happening.
The Americans believed, or said they believed, that we were battling the evil of communism to save the Vietnamese, who wouldn't even help. To this day former GIs hate the Viets for not being enthusiastic about the war, which in fact they weren't. They wanted the war to go away so they could grow rice.
The Right thunders and the Left squeaks over the motives of the war, each bleeding cataracts of virtue. I remember the succinct analysis of a Vietnamese girlfriend I lived with: "At night, VC steal our rice. In morning, Marines kill us for give rice VC."
They were ambivalent about having a half million gringos running around their country and blowing things up, such as themselves. The GIs never understood. They didn't know that when an artillery round killed a villager's wife, all the young men picked up rifles.
After the GIs left Saigon I returned to Southeast Asia as a reporter for Army Times. For a while I lived in a rooftop apartment on Jawaharlal Nehru Street in Phnom Penh with Steve Hedder, a young stringer for Time, and his Khmer wife Davi. With us were the twins, pretty, playful girls of sixteen perhaps who spoke reasonable English. They were the people with soft hands that Pol Pot would kill.
At night the smell of charcoal and flower trees drifted from neighboring roofs and people murmured in Khmer. Reporters--mostly stringers--lay on the roofs in a fog of gin and Nembutal and listened to the rockets whistle in from the swamps. When the KR took over, Steve and Davi got out. The twins didn't. I don't know how they died.
I will be told I have a bad attitude. You bet I do.
Years later I went back on a magazine assignment, and saw Toul Sleng.*** Once a high school in Phnom Penh, it was used by the KR as a place of torture. It had become a museum. On the walls were photos of those who died there. I couldn't remember the lone Caucasian's name, but I had seem him around town. A friend of mine who went back found the picture of his girlfriend.
Another time I returned to Vietnam, again on assignment. In Saigon the Continental Shelf was glassed in and air-conditioned, not necessarily an improvement. For two weeks I worked my way upcountry from Saigon to Vung Tau, Nha Trang, Hue, to Danang, near where I had been stationed. Marble Mountain had become a pleasant tourist stop with shops selling stone carvings.
Further north, Hanoi bustled with shops and the insane but invisibly ordered traffic of Asia. My pretty little governmentally-supplied guide asked whether I wanted to see the Ho Chi Minh museum. I said I'd rather have my teeth pulled. Oh, she said, apparently relieved, then let's just look at the city. We did. Nice place. I tried to remember what the war had been about.
As I say, it gets into you blood. For a couple of decades I worked as a military reporter. I liked the travel, the troops, the airplanes and ships. Eventually it wore thin. Over and over, in some place like remote Olancho province in Honduras, or Cuando Cubango in Angola, or this dusty clearing or that dusty clearing, the press would chopper out to be shown The Great Victory.
In the jungle would be three or four bedraggled bodies of teenagers fighting a shabby war for some dismal Marxist cause they couldn't spell, and a trove of captured weapons-couple of AKs, the stray M-16, maybe a FN/FAL or Galil. We were told it was progress. Some great cause was being served. Maybe it was. I got tired of seeing it.
Plus ca change, the more it doesn't.
*One view
**Another view
***Toul Sleng
2003-02-18 13:10 | User Profile
il ragno --
Thanks so much for posting that Fred Reed article. The horrors of war -- the folly of war of dubious motive; of insane strategy destined not for victory but for stalemate from someone who has been there -- done that.
Though not a combat vet, it is from this position that I view war--an absolute LAST alternative AND only in a completely clear case of SELF DEFENSE or where a conflict threatens to and has become global.
The CAVALIER attitude of the neo-con arm chair warriors towards war infuriates me. This "SUPPORT OUR TROOP -- SEND THEM TO WAR" chant is incongruent; incomprehensible; insanity.
Further and on another issue, the United States' taxpayers simply cannot AFFORD this battle.
The "polls" which show American public support for this war are just damn lies by the federal media. Our government lied thier asses off about Serbia and they are lying to us about Hussien.
Hussien DOES NOT have WMD and that the US is planning to attack his country is, IMHO, proof of this. Possession of WMDs seems to be the key to prevention of an invasion by the Bush military (e.g. North Korea -- you don't see US deploying over there, eh?)
Another issue, between locking down the borders (placing the 82nd ABN, et.al. elbow to elbow from Brownville to San DiegoWashinton to Maine) and deploying the US military half way around the world, the mad man Bush chooses the latter. Surreal. Sad.
And this story comes to mind, a platoon of Union troops, well-fed, rested and equipped came upon a Confederate soldier, ragged out, hungry, tired and wounded. They asked: "Hey, Johnny Reb, what they hell are you fighting for?"
"Because you are here."
2003-02-18 17:05 | User Profile
W. Bales,
Your post brought to mind something I just heard from some jerk on the radio that claims to be a Libertarian, but is really a Neo-con. Someone called in and asked "what if it turns out Hussein doesn`t have any of this?"
He replied, "this in that case we have just liberated the Iraqi people."
Cavalier is the word for this. Or to put it another way "something is always easy as long as some else is doing it."
This jerk, sitting behind his damn microphone prattles off some b.s. like the above just so he can feel good about himself because "he cares." Im thinking to myself "that should console some dead soldiers wife or mother that her loved one died so the Neo-cons could replace one anti-American thug for a pro-American thug. Yep, that sounds about right coming from these creatures."
And the flag wavers eat this crap up even though that isn`t our duty. Our first duty is to this country, or rather what is left of it.
2003-02-18 23:35 | User Profile
Freakers are funny. Look at post #2- -
[url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/846264/posts]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/846264/posts[/url]
Now look at this picture--
[url=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030218/168/3avav.html]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../168/3avav.html[/url]
:D :lol:
2003-02-19 00:16 | User Profile
WB:
I've written Fred so many gushing fan-letters you'd think I was a bobby-soxer. When he's at his best - like he is here- there's nobody who can touch him. Tremendous writer.
It is a damning truth of our age that the very best columnists out there are flying solo on the Internet with no hope of nat'l syndication.
Re FR: seems every time a Freeper is singled out for praise here, he's excommunicated before the OD thread lauding him plays itself out. Is it me, or is a definite pattern emerging?
2003-02-19 00:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 18 2003, 18:16 ** Re FR: seems every time a Freeper is singled out for praise here, he's excommunicated before the OD thread lauding him plays itself out. Is it me, or is a definite pattern emerging? **
OD, you say? Oh, we're big stuff all right.
;)
2003-02-19 05:58 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 18 2003, 18:16 ** Re FR: seems every time a Freeper is singled out for praise here, he's excommunicated before the OD thread lauding him plays itself out. Is it me, or is a definite pattern emerging? **
Let's praise some of the neos and see what happens. :ph34r:
2003-03-04 04:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by Drakmal@Feb 19 2003, 05:58 > Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 18 2003, 18:16 ** Re FR: seems every time a Freeper is singled out for praise here, he's excommunicated before the OD thread lauding him plays itself out. Is it me, or is a definite pattern emerging? **
Let's praise some of the neos and see what happens. :ph34r:**
And now, as Paul Harvey says - the rest of the story
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=15&t=6455&view=getlastpost]Free Republic Bannings - Alice'd Down The Memory Hole[/url]
2003-03-04 14:16 | User Profile
Originally posted by w.bales@Feb 18 2003, 07:10 ** il Hussien DOES NOT have WMD and that the US is planning to attack his country is, IMHO, proof of this. **
I am not too sure about this statement. Isn't it true that we think Saddam Hussein has WMD because we supplied the WMD so that they could be used against Iranians?
2003-03-04 19:26 | User Profile
I was kicked off the FR so many times I cannot remember and only A+Bert seemed to get away with a lot of suff that no one else could. If you don't have a pro-Jewish opinion, they will flame the hell out of you then ban you.
JR needs a good ass kicking for turning that site into a zionist propaganda forum.
2003-03-04 19:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Mar 4 2003, 12:26 ** JR needs a good ass kicking for turning that site into a zionist propaganda forum. **
I am of the opposite opinion. jimrob deserves credit for creating a premier anti-semite factory. Let the hate zhids talk openly, education is all we need. From the horse's mouth, so to speak.
2003-03-04 20:08 | User Profile
Mad....The truth and being anti-semite has nothing to do with what propaganda is spewed on the FR. The fact is, if your opinion is not of a pro-Jewish mindset, you are not welcomed. That has nothing to do with hating Jews/Israel or Zionsim.
2003-03-04 20:36 | User Profile
Relax, my name isn't JR. Accept the reality that the truth is anti-semitic and make peace with what FR is. If not for FR, there wouldn't have been OD and the posters here would still be trying to work from within a system that's broken.
FR is working for us. Highlighting the hate zhids and destroying the fake image created by Hollywood. The more fake "conservative" fronts are exposed, the better. You don't fix what's utterly broken, you throw it away and build a new one.
2003-03-04 20:47 | User Profile
Mad...hahaha. good eastern logic.
2003-03-04 21:20 | User Profile
If not for FR, there wouldn't have been OD and the posters here would still be trying to work from within a system that's broken.
Not me. Never drank the JimRob Kool-Aid and never felt tempted. I found this place through the Francis forum in its dying days. If OD didn't exist, I'd just write a lot more letters to VNN or something.
I understand a lot of you are disaffected ex-Freepers but I just don't get the enduring fascination that site holds for so many. I mean, there are entire boards that are seemingly devoted to bitching about FR! Crazy. If I hated Robinson that much, I'd never utter his name so that not one solitary soul could ever wander over there based upon anything I'd said. I mean, I plug VNN a lot ...but I like that site.
But I'll make a prediction. I say FR has less than two years left. Sooner or later, the Zionist contingent there will bail. If Bush's bellicosity leads to some disastrous backfire, it will no longer be quite so fashionable to be part of the Right (as defined by the now-ascendant FR/Limbaugh/Rove element) and in re-re-re-positioning themselves the Jews will need to throw chum to the sharks and give the lemmingry a gaudy show to gawk at. The FR crew with their high-profile stupidities, perpetual fundraising and (I assume) commensurate problematic bookkeeping will make ideal fall guys. Cantcha just hear that Diane Sawyer voice-over already? ("And now we come to the nerve center of the Robinson empire...") It'll make a fine distraction behind which cover Die Juden will pull off another presto-change-o reinvention of themselves as they skulk away in search of fresh host bodies to inhabit.
2003-03-04 21:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Mar 4 2003, 14:20 **Not me. Never drank the JimRob Kool-Aid and never felt tempted. I found this place through the Francis forum in its dying days. If OD didn't exist, I'd just write a lot more letters to VNN or something.
I understand a lot of you are disaffected ex-Freepers but I just don't get the enduring fascination that site holds for so many. **
Leaving the topic of "anti-freeping" alone, the reason why so many participated there and why this topic got sometimes prominent is that FR emerged just when so many were awakening politically during the Clinton presidency and Yugoslavia bombing. Yugoslavia bombing was what got me online on a political forum. Many moved on since and we have OD and other boards and web sites. But the topic of FR resurfaces from time to time just because many of us started there. You were just much more mature by the time FR appeared, that's why you are wondering now what the hell is all the noise about.
I credit FR with an accelerated progress in my views, and probably many do too. My posts are still there because I wasn't nuked. As recently as 2000 I was pro-Israel, and anyone can see it by my posts there. It's easy to fool people when everything is an abstraction and is somewhere a globe away and the news are filtered and sanitized. Everyone's awakening starts only when something hits closer to home. For me it was witnessing the animalistic hatred FR Jews had for the old world, Russia and Eastern Europe in particular.
2003-03-04 22:13 | User Profile
But surely 3-4 years ago it couldn't have been as it is now. I'm assuming there had to've been substantive discussions there in its salad days.
Now, it seems as if everybody there is lying in wait for the first one to break protocol and defend France (or jab Izzy)....followed by bandwidth page after page of attack and counter-attack and nonstop character assassinations. Jeez, that sort of thing gets real old, real fast!
2003-03-04 22:24 | User Profile
Surely.
I don't understand the attraction now, except going over there for entertainment purposes when somebody drops a link. When retards like TLBSHOW become dissenters, it's a good sign the membership consists of the demented types plus hate zhids.
2003-03-04 22:56 | User Profile
When retards like TLBSHOW become dissenters
Is TLBSHOW LF's "weikel" ? I once saw someone call him that on a LF thread.