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Thread ID: 5034 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2003-02-15
2003-02-15 18:47 | User Profile
The tide has turned against Bush and his war-mongering buddies with the UN resolve and the world-wide protest. Any idiot who would now go an attack Iraq without a unanimous UN resolution would be condemned by the rest of the world body and go down in history in shame. The question of course, "is Bush an idiot". is debatable.
2003-02-15 19:19 | User Profile
Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Feb 15 2003, 18:47 ** The tide has turned against Bush and his war-mongering buddies with the UN resolve and the world-wide protest... **
I think your analysis is right and I think Bush is going in anyway.
Nearly every reservist in this area -- there are pleny and I know plenty -- have been called up and in most cases have been gone over a month. Likely there are more troops in the Gulf than the news is reporting. Gunships are being shipped as I write. I do not believe Bush & Company ever paid the slightest bit of attention to critics or suggestions, foreign or domestic. Bush especially has the glazy-eyed look of a programmed Manchurian Candidate. (OK, he always did, but lately more so.) The forecast is war no matter what.
2003-02-15 19:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Feb 15 2003, 13:19 > Originally posted by DRSLICEIT@Feb 15 2003, 18:47 ** The tide has turned against Bush and his war-mongering buddies with the UN resolve and the world-wide protest... **
I think your analysis is right and I think Bush is going in anyway.
Nearly every reservist in this area -- there are pleny and I know plenty -- have been called up and in most cases have been gone over a month. Likely there are more troops in the Gulf than the news is reporting. Gunships are being shipped as I write. I do not believe Bush & Company ever paid the slightest bit of attention to critics or suggestions, foreign or domestic. Bush especially has the glazy-eyed look of a programmed Manchurian Candidate. (OK, he always did, but lately more so.) The forecast is war no matter what.**
The short-term payoffs for pulling off a hoped-for blitzkrieg (initiating an economic recovery & consumating the ass-kissing) outweigh all other considerations.
2003-02-15 20:39 | User Profile
<< The tide has turned against Bush and his war-mongering buddies with the UN resolve and the world-wide protest. Any idiot who would now go an attack Iraq without a unanimous UN resolution would be condemned by the rest of the world body and go down in history in shame. >>
I don't think that Israel would condemn such an action. And that is the only opinion that really counts. Who cares if France or Germany opposes this war? After all, how much influence and control do Germans and French have over the US mainstream media?
Not to do the will of Israel will surely bring the wrath of the media down on the heads on any disobedient politician. And if you are a politician who cares about getting favorable media coverage, you will not dare anger such people.
Pretty simple really.
2003-02-15 20:46 | User Profile
Maybe I am just prophesying without degree but think that 3-3-03 will be the defining and divining moment in middle east history.
2003-02-15 22:06 | User Profile
Deep down I think most Americans know that they haven't got a clue about that part of the world (or most others) compared to the Europeans. These demonstrations in Europe are useful here insofar as they will give Americans pause.
How does Bush back down is the problem. It's going to take some skilled diplomacy from somewhere for him to save face now.
2003-02-15 22:57 | User Profile
Hopefully, after the UN lets us down, we can pull out that vile body.
2003-02-15 23:39 | User Profile
DRSLICEIT posted on Feb 15 2003, 12:47
** The question of course, "is Bush an idiot". is debatable. **
In my humble opinion, any president or leader who is hell-bent on perpetuating a needless and utlimately futile war with a country that has done absolutely nothing to instigate such drastic actions; in spite of vast disapproval from the people whose interests that leader is suppose to represent; and in the light of recent threats of terrorist retaliation should such a war take place, will remembered in the annals of history as one of the biggest idiots ever.
2003-02-16 02:02 | User Profile
I anticipate another devasatting attack in the heartland of America. The one-eyed Jew will link it to Muslim terrorists and every lemming in America will howl for war. The Zionist monsters that rule America will not be denied. Israel's enemies will be destroyed.
-Z-
2003-02-16 02:24 | User Profile
I agree. Something big is in the works, hence all this laughable duct tape & plastic sheeting nonsense ZOG is spouting. And this time it won't be in Jew Yawk, since most Americans don't really like its loudmouthed dusky denizens enough to feel a lasting, politically useful outrage when they're snuffed. No, the next hammer blow will be carefully aimed to shatter the sense of security of the sheeple in Flyover Country.
2003-02-16 03:41 | User Profile
Unless Saddam decides to retire and quickly, Gulf War II is inevitable. Wise men, such as the administration possesses, see in Iraq, and the region in general, a market that needs opening and a fresh piece of debtless meat for the IMF to bite into. The goal is merely to stay off collapse of our hapless service oriented economies and otherwise thoroughly bankrupt countries. Zionists and toads require no explanations as to motives.
Too much by way of men and war material has been deployed or is in transit, and while the numbers may be miniscule when compared with the summer of 1914 the fear of loosing face on the world stage and authority at home via withdrawal is the same.
It would indeed be nice if a fresh attack, preferably on the heartland, came about so as to further motivate domestic livestock and silence the foreign animals.
Of course, for those of us who are of the ââ¬Ëworse is betterââ¬â¢ persuasion the coming conflict represents a potential for meaningful education of the populace ââ¬â a lesson that the status quo would surely deny them in perpetuity.
2003-02-16 04:54 | User Profile
**Something big is in the works, hence all this laughable duct tape & plastic sheeting nonsense ZOG is spouting. And this time it won't be in Jew Yawk, since most Americans don't really like its loudmouthed dusky denizens enough to feel a lasting, politically useful outrage when they're snuffed. No, the next hammer blow will be carefully aimed to shatter the sense of security of the sheeple in Flyover Country. **
Agreed, General, but we have to factor in the wild card of actual Arab terrorists. Who certainly levelled the Twin Towers, regardless of who else knew (and withheld the info).
IF there is a Midwest/heartland attack, that will undoubtedly be the Mossad at work: it serves their propaganda/mobilization ends and avoids the kind of worldwide economic domino-effect that can only backfire on them: I can't see any scenario in which an utterly-levelled NY, LA or Chicago helps Hymie (y'can't squeeze a guaranteed loan from a stone, after all). But turning Dubuque into a smoking crater riles up the lemmingry's bloodlust without killing the goose OR the golden egg. Or singing the hair on very many fellow Tribesmen's heads either, for that matter.
IF, however, a major city takes a second - and worse - hit, that will be straight-up Arabs at work, stabbing Shmuel from hell's heart and severing the vital arteries. Let us not forget that the last year's worth of nuclear saber-rattling has only strengthened Bin Laden's them-or-us resolve....
**Wise men see in Iraq, and the region in general, a market that needs opening and a fresh piece of debtless meat for the IMF to bite into. **
Siss ol' kid, that just might be the OD Thought Of The Day. Dead-solid perfect.
2003-02-16 14:13 | User Profile
Some interesting links that should be read...
[url=http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0214/p02s01-usmi.html]http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0214/p02s01-usmi.html[/url]
[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.isp?story=378403]http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=378403[/url]
[url=http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,896673,00.html]http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/...,896673,00.html[/url]
The fact that Jews are clamoring to leave Israel and are standing in long lines at Embassies in Israel is quite revealing.
2003-02-16 14:17 | User Profile
Second link should read
[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.isp?story=378403]http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=378403[/url]
if that does not work, I will try and correct it.
2003-02-16 14:28 | User Profile
Zoroaster --
Follow me here (and I guess this all depends on the collective stupidity of the American people).
I believe that it was impossible for the CIA, FBI, MOSAAD, MI6, INTERPOL, et. al., to be absolutley CLUELESS as to 09/11 (and, slightly digressing but will return to this general point in a moment -- why wasn't there massive firings at the FBI and CIA in the wake of 09/11?!?).
Suppose another "terrorist" attack occurs stateside when the ZOG determines it needs another PR boost for its desired Christian/Muslim world war (either turning a blind eye to Muslim fanatics OR having an actual hand in it).
Will then the majority of the American people realize that the term "homeland security" really doesn't refer to American homeland?
Will then the majority of people realize that our military should not be deployed half way around the world instead of guarding our borders? Will we all ask in unison -- what the hell is our government doing??
This will really test the rationality and collective intelligence of the American people and the true extent that the federal media can control the masses.
If this happens AGAIN, will the American intelligence and defense establishment be able to withstand the well deserved labels of gross incompetence and/or criminal neglect?
On a separate point: the war party (that FreeRepublic website is a good example) says SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!! SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!! SEND THEM TO WAR!! SEND THEM TO WAR!!
DO NOT PEOPLE SEE THE RANK HYPOCRISY AND INCONGRUENT NATURE OF THAT POSITION!?!
As a veteran, I can tell you that soldiers (a few gung-ho violent lunatics aside) are not among the first to be clamoring for war. Soldiers KNOW human beings die in a war and that they may be among the soon to be dead.
This "SUPPORT THE TROOPS -- SEND THEM TO WAR" attitude is unf**king believable.
2003-02-16 20:24 | User Profile
Well, whatever else they may be, the higher-ups in the Al-qaeda and Hamas networks aren't stupid, and they are learning day by day, unlike the neo-cons running our geographic prefecture.
They've long since realized they don't have the resources to militarily defeat the U.S. or Israel, but they've read their history, again, unlike the neo-cons, in that they've finally assimilated the true impact of terrorist/guerilla warfare as psychological, not physical. The panic generated by 9/11, the anthrax mailings and the D.C. snipers could not have gone unnoticed.
Their real target is the American psyche, I would say. If they studied Vietnam, they would see that the North never had a significant victory in the South (I see Tet as a psychological win, not a military one) until the U.S. was worn down at home until they left, at which point, the NVA simply walked in and renamed Saigon. I think this is the reason there haven't been a whole lot of organized attacks in Israel beyond desperate indigenous Palestinian expressions of rage. They know any damage inflicted will quickly be made good at U.S. taxpayer expense and generate unwanted sympathy for the world's perpetual vicitms. However, if they can cut off the flow of blood from Uncle Sugar, they know Israel wouldn't last long, though Arab nations would indeed take a lot of nuclear damage during Israel's death spiral.
What I expect to happen is the bombing to commence in Iraq, live on Fox, CNN, et al., since war is America's favorite spectator sport. During mid-news cycle, all the networks will have to go to breaking coverage of nationwide terrorist attacks of a nasty nature. The unmistakable message will be, "If you hit us Muslims, we can hit you back at will." I doubt such attacks would be nuclear, even if the terrorist networks possess them, since again, that would provoke unwanted sympathy for their enemies. If the U.S. does stoop to the use of nuclear weapons on a preemptive basis (as those recent creepy reports from the Pentagon have indicated they're considering), then I'll bet you'll see the above tactic writ larger. All designed to make the American sheeple and leadership stay in their own backyard for a change. Will it work? You've got me, but I fear 9/11 was merely the open-handed slap that precedes the duel at 10 paces.
If little old me can puzzle this out, I'm sure even the neocons have considered it to a degree. They either think it's an acceptable risk (and could be the reason for the frantic calls to buy duct tape) or they'll exploit the American casualties to promote an even wider Crusade and more support for that "sh*tty little country." We'll see if it works.
2003-02-16 20:37 | User Profile
My Personalized bumper sticker gets a lot of attention these day's.
Bomb Israel And Make the Arabs So Happy, We Get Free Oil Forever
2003-02-17 01:50 | User Profile
I don't necessarily care about what Germany or France thinks - even tho I disagree w/Bush. They are under no obligation to support us blindly, but likewise, we are under no obligation to consult them on our foreign affairs.
As for middle America....they gave up long ago. I used to think that major events would wake them up. "9-11! This is the big date!" i thought. All it did was make Americans accept more nonsense and irritations. The Heartland is dead.
-Jay
2003-02-17 03:21 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Feb 16 2003, 21:50 **I don't necessarily care about what Germany or France thinks - even tho I disagree w/Bush. They are under no obligation to support us blindly, but likewise, we are under no obligation to consult them on our foreign affairs.
As for middle America....they gave up long ago. I used to think that major events would wake them up. "9-11! This is the big date!" i thought. All it did was make Americans accept more nonsense and irritations. The Heartland is dead.
-Jay**
You're right. I had similar thoughts about 9/11 just after it happened. I thought this would wake them up, that the message was unmistakable about the folly of our interventionist foreign policy. Instead, the sheeple somehow got the idea that America wasn't intervening enough overseas. They instead called for more invasions and bombings of tiny countries a world away.
What really got me was that these "War on Terror" cheerleaders started comparing the event to December 7, 1941...and took the same wrong message from it. FDR had provoked the Japanese and cornered them into attacking Pearl Harbor, yet people think the Japanese attacked America while we were "minding our own business." They say the same thing for 9/11, "we were just minding our own business when Osama attacked." We were doing anything but!
2003-02-17 16:48 | User Profile
The Heartland is dead.
The Heartland is not dead. The problem is that the Heartland is connected to a societal brain that disseminates disinformation to it. The Heartland acts rationally based on what it "knows".
2003-02-17 17:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Feb 17 2003, 10:48 ** > The Heartland is dead.
The Heartland is not dead. The problem is that the Heartland is connected to a societal brain that disseminates disinformation to it. The Heartland acts rationally based on what it "knows". **
I see hispanics piling up like mad in places like Iowa, Kansas & MIssouri. You're saying the Heartland isn't dead? Fine - give it 20 years. It's toast. Even GOP voters I know back home (I'm from there) won't dare question the immivasion.
-Jay
2003-02-17 18:53 | User Profile
Letââ¬â¢s see here. Just last week, Bush/ZOG/federal media had their panties in a wad over Germany and France not honoring the commitment to ââ¬Åprotectââ¬Â NATO alliance member, Turkey.
Now, Turkey is debating whether or not to allow American troops on their soil while, apparently, trying to figure out just how many American taxpayer $ Billions they can squeeze out of Bush for the ââ¬Åprivilegeââ¬Â of US ââ¬Åprotectingââ¬Â Turkey.
HAS THIS INSANITY NO BOUNDS?!?
IS THE CORRUPTION AND/OR SUTIPIDTY OF OUR GOVERNMENT THAT COMPLETE?!?