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2003-02-14 23:37 | User Profile
Ol' T. Fleming lays it out...
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REVENGE OF THE (NEOCON) NERDS by Thomas Fleming
All hell is busting out around the world: the Israelis and Palestinians seem to be entering the phase of final conflict; India and Pakistan are rattling their nuclear sabers and expelling each otherââ¬â¢s diplomats; Iran says that it is going ahead with its nuclear program; France, Germany, and Russia are discovering that maybe they have backbones after all; and the irrepressible dictator of North Korea is not only threatening his southern neighbors but claims his missiles can reach California. (Go ahead, many Americans might say, just be sure to hit Hollywood.)
What is going on? In general, the global war jitters are the direct result of the Bush administrationââ¬â¢s neoconservative foreign policy, in particular, the projected invasion of Iraq. This is an excellent time for both India and Pakistan to push their claims, while the worldââ¬â¢s only remaining superpower is focused on Iraq. From a broader perspective, however, the pursuit of ââ¬ÅAmerican Greatnessââ¬Â is slowly persuading our satellites and allies that the United States, not China or insurgent Islam, represents the most serious threat to their independence and security.
The fears of our allies came to a head when President Bush denounced the ââ¬ÅAxis of Evilââ¬Â--Iraq, Iran, North Korea--without even bothering to consult with South Korea. The South Korean government was outraged and has since done everything it can to reassure North Korea that they do not support US policy. Unfortunately, the damage is done, and we are seeing the first fruits of neoconservative diplomacy in the shape of the anti-American alliances taking shape around the world.
One or two of the neoconservatives are clever people, (though nearly all of them write poorly, and none has the rudiments of a decent education), but they have neither the wisdom nor the temperament to meddle in foreign policy. Does anyone think Bill Kristol ever squared off with a bully on the playground? Can you imagine John Podhoretz, that tubby little toad, handling a rifle or playing baseball? Or David Frum taking one shot of bourbon too many before taking a swing at a cop? George Bush is a normal guy, which is why so many Americans trust him, and his speeches should be written by other normal guys from Texas and Montana and western Pennsylvania, not by a limp-wristed Canadian who thinks New York and Washington are American cities.
In the unlikely event that Kim Jung Il does succeed in lobbing a big one across the pacific, the people of California should see to it that David Frum is shipped back to Canada on the next fruit boat.
2003-02-15 00:04 | User Profile
Originally posted by Hereward@Feb 14 2003, 23:37 ** George Bush is a normal guy, which is why so many Americans trust him... **
What?
This is either the biggest frat joke of the century or Fleming is in worse shape than the neocons he writes about. Not good news either way. No one I know thinks Bush is normal or trusts him. And with a run-up of a year and a half, Bush still cannot get a majority of "normal" Americans to back his oil war. Where has Fleming been?
2003-02-15 04:57 | User Profile
Name the Jew or move along, Fleming. This kind of toothless "anti-war" pablum.....this safe-as-milk, costs-him-nothing, day-late-and-a-dollar-short phoned-in outrage......might've caused a sharp intake of breath a year ago, perhaps. (Well, not really - but it would have played a little fresher. Now it's like tossing a Nerf-ball at an unmanned tank and topping it off with an end-zone dance. Yeah...[u]fight [/u]the power!
Lookit that first paragraph...has Fleming been asleep for a year? *Wow- what he said about Podhoretz and Frum - ooooh!! * He doesn't care WHO he takes on, eh?
2003-02-15 05:28 | User Profile
While "thoughtful, responsible" types like Fleming regurgitate the sameold sameold, VNN's Marc Moran continues to improve with every swing of the bat.
Sucking soberly on a Meerschaum whilst reflecting upon Events O' The Day with grave demeanor.....if that sort of thing puts reasonably intelligent Americans to sleep by now [and it does, it does] than you can imagine the "effect" it's having on Ritalin George. Short of banging a pot at midnight in the town square, Raimondo-style, the next best type of column to write is one oozing the curare of vicious ridicule of our Elected Leaders.
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'Terrorists Will Strike Tomorrow,' President Warns
by Marc Moran
February 14, 2003
(Reuters) - In a speech given this morning at the White House, President Bush stated that he felt "very, very sorry" and "grief struck" over the tremendous loss of life that will take place tomorrow morning, at precisely the same hour anti-war protesters will be assembling, when a "dirty bomb goes ka-blooey" in an as yet unnamed U.S. city.
"Oh it's going to happen all right. We have very incredible sources," the president added.
Reporters were taken aback by this startling revelation, coming as it did on the heels of John Ashcroft's unexpected upgrading of the National Alert from Code Orange to Code Really Bright Orange. When questioned about which city could expect to take the hit, the president was less candid.
"We don't want to start a panic thingy," he stated. "That could have a real big impactation on the economy if everyone started to flee like something out of scene in a Godzilla movie. We want to make sure that people carry on with their normal sheep-like activities. Buying duck tape and bottled water, stuff like that. Imagine what would happen to the local economy of that city if we were to tell them that the bomb was going to go off at 9:30 tomorrow morning at the corner of.... Hey, you guys were trying to trick me!" he said with an impish grin, wagging his finger at veteran reporter Helen Thomas. "I'm not that dumb."
When pressed as to who the administration thought might be behind the newest act of terror, he was confident that it was Osama Bin Laden working closely with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and a group of 'evil white supremacists' from West Virginia. In fact, he offered a singed, eelskin wallet as proof of the culprit behind tomorrow's attack.
"Investigators are going to find this scorched wallet nearby, positively linking somebody we have already set up -- I mean identified -- as the man who blew up New Yor-- I mean will blow up the as yet unnamed city."
In an already nervous population, news that America was facing "A one hundred and ten percent chance of a big 'splosion" sent chills of panic through the streets. The stock market fell sharply after the announcement, with the Dow Jones Industrial dropping to an historic low of 12 and the NASDAQ to a disappointing 4. There was some brisk trading on Wall Street, mostly in pencils and apples, but economists took that as a sign of rising consumer confidence.
Unfortunately no major stock market spokesmen were available for comment as they reportedly 'Had meetings out of town, all of a sudden like' and wouldn't be back until Monday.
It wasn't hard to get the man in the street to respond to questions about security and his preparations in the event of a terrorist attack.
Asked if he felt there were anything he could do to prepare himself and his family of twenty-four, one commuter responded like this.
"Oom gambamba ayadayo. Suom beapo duya adda hambabba. Diddi oombap!" said Kweisi Mfumbe, a customer service representative for Verizon.
Others are less certain of the ability of the current administration not only to protect American citizens, but to come clean about questions of their foreknowledge of domestic terrorist attacks.
"I thought it was weird that they found Mohammed Atta's scorched wallet on the street after 9-11, but not the black boxes. How on earth did they get a hold of a wallet before an attack? Doesn't that seem a little suspicious?" Asked Mike Whitebread, an electrician from Seattle, Washington, in town with his wife to see the sights.
His wife's eyes lit up in fear as she hurried him off, followed closely by several men in dark suits with those little ear thingies, but still, the questions lingered.
New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg was also unavailable for comment. His secretary said he had rushed out of his office after receiving an email and wouldn't be back until Monday. Noting that nearly all the key players in the Bloomberg administration, as well as most of the city's landlords, attorneys, diamond merchants, pawn shop owners and deli operators had also left unexpectedly "on business," she referred all questions to the next in command, a fire captain from Manhattan's infamous Hell's Kitchen neighborhood, Dooley O'Malley.
"Faith and begorrah! Sure's nothin' to worry your little head about lassie. New York is as safe as newborn babe," he said confidently, surrounded by burly, blue-eyed firefighters.
"Why even if some Neo-Nazi Muslim fella was to attack, you can bet your bottom dollar that every last Herlihey, O'Shea and McDonald would be willing to give up his life to save his fellow countryman, whether he's a wetback busboy from Guatamala or a cabbie fresh off the boat from Pakistan -- we're all Americans now."
From the viewpoint of security it appears that New Yorkers are confident that they won't be hit.
"Hell, if we were the likely target, why would all the security details and military guys be pulling out like they've done over the last couple of hours? They must think we're safe because they been packing it out of here like their tails were on fire," said engineer David Smith. "I was going to point that out to my psychiatrist Abe Greenberg, but he had to cancel my appointment -- out of town for an emergency I think," he said ruefully as a white Moving Systems van filled with laughing men drove by, headed out of town.
Still, it is possible that despite the warnings, another tragedy on the scale of 9-11 may not happen on U.S. soil again.
Unless you trust the President, that is.
"Oh it'll happen believe you me," the grinning Bush said mysteriously. "You can take that to the bank."
MARC MORAN
2003-02-15 05:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Feb 15 2003, 00:04 No one I know thinks Bush is normal or trusts him. And with a run-up of a year and a half, Bush still cannot get a majority of "normal" Americans to back his oil war. Where has Fleming been?
I don't know. Personally, if you don't know him or what he's all about really well, he comes across as just an ordinary, fairly nice guy, the next door neighbor, that you'd be be happy to let and who would be cheerfully willing to watch your house while you're gone. He's got some of that aw-shucks old Texas boy charm at least superficially.
An I think he's doing pretty well drumming up support for the war on Iraq really, if you look at the numbers and how shasdy the whole deal is. His dad didn't do nearly as well in the pre-war faze.
2003-02-15 05:53 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 15 2003, 05:28 **While "thoughtful, responsible" types like Fleming regurgitate the sameold sameold, VNN's Marc Moran continues to improve with every swing of the bat.
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I don't know. Fleming makes sense, even if if he doesn't toss in those wild conspiracy theories about the black box etc. etc. Different stroke for different folk (volk?) I guess. :)
2003-02-15 11:19 | User Profile
It's not that Fleming won't go incendiary that honks me off, Okie. It's that you can find this kind of 'too-little-too-late' commentary 4-5 times a day on the Rockwell site and half-a-dozen others by now. Only ballsier.
Read it again. It's as if he's *just getting around * to noticing neoconservatives just now; and his sidebar realization that the unifying thread to neos is that "they write poorly" is either a joke, or a reminder to not bother renewig your CHRONICLES subscription.
I understand - and even sympathize - with an OD'er's unease at the seeming hijacking of this site by the Linderites lately (although the Moran article I pasted is very restrained for VNN). I feel it a little myself at times, to be honest.
But to stand at the precipice of WW3 as we are - an utterly needless and avoidable charnel-house/conflagration which gains us zip as a nation at a time when we badly need to be looking inward to address our problems - without ONCE mentioning "Jews" or "Zionism" or "Israel"....not ONCE!.....might render Ol' Flemio hard-hitting enough for My Weekly Reader..... but little else.
And seeing him characterize our Dopey Dauphin (who sought to run the free world like his private fiefdom because, well, that's what we Bushes do, you see) as jest-plain-folks (!!!) is so frickin' ludicrous it beggars the imagination.
As a job application for White House speechwriter, this ain't bad. As paleocommentary it's juiceless, toothless and wan.
2003-02-15 11:53 | User Profile
**Read it again. It's as if he's just getting around to noticing neoconservatives just now; and his sidebar realization that the unifying thread to neos is that "they write poorly" is either a joke, or a reminder to not bother renewig your CHRONICLES subscription. **
Fleming was on the Chuck Harder show a few weeks ago. At the price they sell them, the Rockford Institute actually loses money on subscriptions, he claimed. Maybe he should take a cue from Taki and economize by printing on newsprint instead of glossy paper.
I've also noticed that Sobran's "quarterly" column hasn't run there since the July 2002 issue, so I dunno what's up with that. I think I'll just subscribe to Joe's newsletter to help him out and let Chronicles lapse. Francis' better writing tends to appear on VDARE in his syndicated columns anyhow.
2003-02-15 16:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 15 2003, 05:19 I understand - and even sympathize - with an OD'er's unease at the seeming hijacking of this site by the Linderites lately (although the Moran article I pasted is very restrained for VNN). I feel it a little myself at times, to be honest.
Yep, the Nazis seem to have the suppressive firepower to pull it off. Very unsettling.
2003-02-15 19:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 15 2003, 11:19 **It's not that Fleming won't go incendiary that honks me off, Okie. It's that you can find this kind of 'too-little-too-late' commentary 4-5 times a day on the Rockwell site and half-a-dozen others by now. Only ballsier.
Read it again. It's as if he's *just getting around * to noticing neoconservatives just now; and his sidebar realization that the unifying thread to neos is that "they write poorly" is either a joke, or a reminder to not bother renewig your CHRONICLES subscription.
As a job application for White House speechwriter, this ain't bad. As paleocommentary it's juiceless, toothless and wan.**
You have high standards I can see. I just think its Flemings personality and position. He's a classicist and editor of the whiole thing. He doesn't like to get involved in the meat of day to day neocon wars. I don't really read Chronicles for that or for the neocon wars. You're right, Rockford is better at this type of incisive commentary. But I think to a certain extent that's the didfference between mediums, internet vs. bi-weekly magazines.
2003-02-15 19:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Feb 15 2003, 11:53 **Fleming was on the Chuck Harder show a few weeks ago. At the price they sell them, the Rockford Institute actually loses money on subscriptions, he claimed. Maybe he should take a cue from Taki and economize by printing on newsprint instead of glossy paper.
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I dunno. I think "Taki" (rhymes with tacky) is a rather appropriate description of the Am. Con. It may be necessary, but I'll mess Chronicle's glossy covers.
2003-02-15 19:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by NeoNietzsche@Feb 15 2003, 16:37 > Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 15 2003, 05:19 I understand - and even sympathize - with an OD'er's unease at the seeming hijacking of this site by the Linderites lately (although the Moran article I pasted is very restrained for VNN). I feel it a little myself at times, to be honest.**
Yep, the Nazis seem to have the suppressive firepower to pull it off. Very unsettling.**
I do appreciate you guys concern. As MacDonald pointed out, there are some things these guys were right on, like the problems associated with Jewish dual loyalties, and their depiction of themselves as voices crying in the wilderness wasn't entirely off-base. But practically they can be difficult to work with.
2003-02-21 00:34 | User Profile
OKiereddust, il rago, et al
To my knowledge, Chronicles isn't sold on any newsstands, at least none that I've ever seen in my area. That would seem to shield it from pressures on distrubutors and retailers to curb its content, since virtually all of its readers are postal subscribers.
None of the pressure Taki is most likely feeling with TAC, since you can grab a copy at your local newsstand. TPTB know this and can resort to pressure tactics if he gets too un-PC.
So what's holding Fleming back? Or for that matter The New American, which I've never seen sold on a newsstand, either.
2003-02-21 14:49 | User Profile
Great post, Wintermute.
I cancelled my subscription to Chronicles three or four years ago. Chronicles, like the Britch Society, refuses to name the Jew as the destroyer of our culture. Compromise only weakens and destroys in the end.
-Z-
2003-02-21 15:03 | User Profile
**What good are a million peaceniks marching? Well, if the broadcast programs don't back them up, as in the Vietnam era, the answer is nil.
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That is an important statement.
The 60s marchers had people on the inside.
2003-02-21 22:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 21 2003, 00:12 ** Whether we are paleolibertarians or distributists or 'real' conservatives or White Nationals, or whatever name we may eventually settle on, it is an undisputed fact that our primary goal is the nulllification of Jewish cultural and political power. Draw up a list of every social and political movement that has destroyed our nation and then ask yourself, honestly, what was the Jewish role in this? There are excellent resources for just this task at jewishtribalreview.com. Draw up a list of politcal and cultural forces that oppose any return to reason and sanity, and ask youself: what is the Jewish role in this? Before you blame white 'sheeple', look at how impotent the peace marches are. Now that it's useful to Jews, the whole McCarthyite approach of 'you're disloyal' is now everywhere in the news. It's on everyone's lips. Say, why are you supporting a tyrant? is, after fifty years of unspeakability in polite society, the hot new question. Any movement that is no longer useful to Jews is simply delegitimated, simple as that. What good are a million peaceniks marching? Well, if the broadcast programs don't back them up, as in the Vietnam era, the answer is nil. **
Outstanding and telling paragraph that goes right to the heart of our current dilemna:
1) How do we best go about bringing folks to these realizations/conclusions?
2) How can we bypass a mainstream media that delegitimizes collective dissent to become an effective and potent opposition?
2003-02-21 23:40 | User Profile
This from Francis' column in the March Chronicles:
(He's discussing a book that contrasts "progressive" and "regressive" imperialism.)
What Professor Feuer accomplished in his book was to redecorate the cake of imperialism to make it palatable to the liberal left. So far from serving the interests and passions of Colonel Blimps, crusading missionaries, and vulgar jingoists, imperialism can be, in Feuer's view, an instrument of social and political progress. The "cosmopolitanism" it carries serves to subvert traditional institutions, identities, and values and to open up the gates to "talent," even to the point of becoming emperor. Although he does not quite make the point explicitly, it is pretty clear that, in his view, what really determines which kind of imperialism develops is whether Jews are prominent in running it and gaining from it, and the prospect of countering antisemitism (as well as other forms of ethnic discrimination) is yet another feature of progressive imperialism that would make it more acceptible to liberalism.
There. He said it. Some of it, anyway.
2003-02-21 23:48 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 21 2003, 00:12 What good are a million peaceniks marching? Well, if the broadcast programs don't back them up, as in the Vietnam era, the answer is nil.
All you have to do is compare the treatment of the civil disobedience of the civil rights crowd with that of the pro-life movement to figure that out.