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Frederick William I [OP]

2003-02-12 10:26 | User Profile

Has Everything Changed? The Prospects for Nationalism Post 9/11 Speech of 2/21/02

In the wake of the 9/11 disaster the establishment punditocracy has been fond of using the phrase "everything's changed." Like most such hackneyed and imprecise terms bandied about by the media, the term is useless.

The fact is some things have changed and some things have not. Last I checked America is still ruled over by a profoundly evil oligarchy composed of the WASP capitalist monied elite and alien cosmopolitans. The deracinated preppies and the former inhabitants of the "Pale of Settlement" have their puppets and running dogs; these are the blacks, the Hispanics, the Asians, and the feminists. These groups do the dirty work for the oligarchy and serve as living and breathing justifications for anti-White policies.

So we see that everything has not changed. The same people are in charge, pursuing basically the same policies. The capitalists still want to import millions of Third-worlders, mostly Mestizos, in order to bring down wages. The plutocrats continue to run after their time- honored objective of avoiding paying a decent wage to the white American worker.

If it were simply a matter of economic exploitation, it would be bad enough, but what the oligarchy has done is not just in the realm of money. They have destroyed the culture and religion of our people.

See rest of article here:

[url=http://www.politicalsoldier.net/atp/editorials.shtml]American Third Position[/url]


Interesting piece from Kenneth Schmidt. I'm not exactly sure about the direction he's headed, but he certainly seems apt in his criticisms of his predecessors, who always seem to lose because, as the old saying goes they always "take a knife to a gunfight".


jay

2003-02-12 17:20 | User Profile

I think this window will begin to open when more middle class white people are forced to live cheek-to-jowl with minorities. Already, the great mass of working class and lower middle class whites have to deal with minorities on a daily basis, but these people are some of the most powerless in our society and have no voice. When the middle-middle and upper middle classes can no longer find white suburbs to move to, they will, in a sense, have to stay and fight. This will happen when the minorities follow them out to the suburbs. That's where we, the people in this room, come in

That's precisely the problem with America: it's too vast. Too much land. Too many places to run to. Whites will continue to flee and build further and further out from cities until they create "satellite cities".

Say, Houston. Hour drive is a suburb. They develop plans for an airport, etc. That's what happens. If all this was happening in the State of Florida, we would have reacted long ago. And that is why Europe is reacting heavier than Americans.

-J


Ruffin

2003-02-12 17:30 | User Profile

heh heh, I assure you it's happening in the state of Florida.


jay

2003-02-12 17:34 | User Profile

Florida's got plenty of space still left. But we'll see. The whole south-central part of the state is barren wasteland. Wouldn't surprise me to see whites leave to live there and face the alligators instead of the hip-hops

-j


Ruffin

2003-02-12 17:50 | User Profile

Yes, it has already begun. I live on the northern edge of it, and have had some pleasant dreams about Disney/Orlando sliding down state into the muck.


Okiereddust

2003-02-13 07:05 | User Profile

Originally posted by jay@Feb 12 2003, 17:20 **That's precisely the problem with America: it's too vast.  Too much land.  Too many places to run to.  Whites will continue to flee and build further and further out from cities until they create "satellite cities".

Say, Houston.  Hour drive is a suburb.  They develop plans for an airport, etc.  That's what happens.  If all this was happening in the State of Florida, we would have reacted long ago.  And that is why Europe is reacting heavier than Americans.

-J**

I don't know. It true it has helped us avoid the problem, but its also true that its helped us maintain our certain character, by this unofficial apartheid.

However, running away is getting to be an illusion. You realize that if you live in a big city. ou spend all your time driving, and none of it living.

Someone like Duke, who makes people see what they've lost (like the people in Metarie subdivisions who used to live much better in old stately houses near downtown, the French Quarter, Superdome, etc) can still be quite successful.


TexasAnarch

2003-02-13 09:06 | User Profile

With a deep religious analysis likie "Americans worship at the alar of materialism" as a corrective, and hyphen between "Europe" and "American" for culture, this "third position" won't be going much of anywhere, here, will it.

Is that like being pro-God against mammon?  Religion has to be kept away from economics in politics; let the churches or whatever inculcate the right attitudes toward money; the job of good government is to make decent living possible for those who do the actual work -- like communism teaches.

Screw God in the marketplace has always been the rule, and that won't change by calling the marketplace Holy, or whatever.

Pro-Whiteness, by itself, isn't culture war; its something else.  If there is such a thing as White culture in America, it was established by WASPS, and ruined by old-world, old-war religions not up to the level it was established on.  So why does this author smear them?

 "Israelization of America" is right-on, though.

TexasAnarch

2003-02-13 10:44 | User Profile

Added note for purposes of clarificaton: On Guns and God in Native American post 9/11 politics.

 The crack about Charton Heston wasn't personal; it was against Hollywoodization of both his religious and gun-advocate roles.  I would, as they say on Imus, love the man, personally, but take both these things represented too seriously to be used this way.  The way they used Ronald Reagan.  I detest most leftist.

I do not believe in disarming citizens; on the contrary, I believe in them having the right to arm themselves, though I have never participated in any militias or owned.  Shut up and let alone, would be best policy, but it is necessary to talk in two directions: short and long term.

I hope we make the long term, and want to stay out of fights. Territory is infringed when God used against any who are,or have become citizens, under the U.S. constitution. One's man God can be another man's Devil; that is the reason neither should appear publically. This is the only legal document and set of precepts that unifies Americans, until official secession or other action is taken, therefore key to authorization of use of force in the national name and interests. It effectively prohibits what is taking place, now, as the name "God" under which the consgtitution was signed has been appropriated and usurped -- as if war in the middle east were being waged in the name of "Judeo-Christian" morals and religon. This premptively cuts out the link between Protestants and Palestinian/Arab causes, at the level of national politics, thus using our blood for other's religion.

 I hold both God and guns should be kept as far out on the fringes of national politics as possible. The proverbial Founding Fathers must surely have though so, too.  One brings in the other, and there goes the "brotherhood", "comrade", "fraternity" part of the old freedom ideal which survived in  the constitution;s dedication to a "more perfect union".  Part of defending it is keeping that alive as a possibility.

 The point of injecting theology into the discussion of politics at this date is not to impose a conformity, but to keep conformity from being imposed, through a combination, terrorization, God and guns, all at the samde time. To keep that from happening, by getting below the causes. It is not to save anybody's soul, or inculcate pacifism.  It is (for me)  to define, in advance, the place  to start from,  as a possibility in a national politics, to return ot sometime.  That's all.

   Wm. Casey,  Reagan,  North, et al  started the religious side of the war by arming the muhajadin against the Soviets, and telling them go die for Allah.  That was the pebble in the water nmow washing ashore as a tsunami (among others).

Walter Yannis

2003-02-13 13:12 | User Profile

Originally posted by wombatnine@Feb 13 2003, 09:06 ** With a deep religious analysis likie "Americans worship at the alar of materialism" as a corrective, and hyphen between "Europe" and "American" for culture, this "third position" won't be going much of anywhere, here, will it. **

Have you read Chesterton & Belloc?

If not, I urge you to check them out. These writers are the intellectual pillars of the Third Position, of which I consider myself a part.

Regards,

Walter