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Thread ID: 4952 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2003-02-12
2003-02-12 08:09 | User Profile
September 18, 2002
My Story:
Indians from India now dominate my work group at Siemens ICN Lake Mary, FL. Theyââ¬â¢re in the USA on work visas, specifically here to replace American workers. My job has now changed from working on the e-Business applications that I developed, enhanced and supported for the past 6 years to training these Indians so they can take over my position and support the products I developed. My scheduled displacement date is December 2002. Others have already been replaced. We will all be displaced by December 2002.
Currently there are 21 Indians on work visas at the Lake Mary, FL office. This ââ¬ÅAmerican IT worker replacement programââ¬Â started by Congress is happening all across America, is only getting worse and affecting more and more industries.
My story has reached far across the country. I have been notified by Americans that have been put under the same depressing and unjust treatment as we at Siemens have been. Read the story of Tim Wright's department at JP Morgan, Tampa, FL. http:// www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/TimWright_20020901.html
Think about it? You have a job in America and a foreigner comes into your country and takes your job. But first you have to train him so he can do your job then your company lays you off....
See rest of story
[url=http://www.hannatroup.com:81/USA/tata/MyStory_20020918.html]Michael T. Emmons[/url]
Interesting really, to realize at the bottom what testicleless saps the average American tech worker is. I remember at one time, when people had character to join unions, when you make them a proposal like this "you're all fired, but first stay around here 3 months to train your replacements" and the reaction might have been a little different. Oh well. It appears, even in America, people's capacity for abuse isn't [u]completely[/u] endless.
2003-02-12 16:32 | User Profile
. This ââ¬ÅAmerican IT worker replacement programââ¬Â started by Congress is happening all across America, is only getting worse and affecting more and more industries.
This is just the flip side of the NAFTA/GATT coin which allows US Corporations to hire slave labor in third world countries and ship US Jobs overseas.
I worked for 20 years for a Siemens competitor, and finally was "downsized" after our production facility of some 580 persons was eliminated when production, assembly, test and finally QA was moved to Mexico and Taiwan.
Finally the Marketing and Engineering departments were also eliminated in favor of "consolidated" operations overseas. Mind you the various corporate headquarters are still in Minnisota and St. Louis but the workers are primarily overseas.
Just can't beat those $ 8.00/Hr. engineers I quess. And hell if your infrastructure won't support shipping the job overseas, just import the cheap shills and lay of the American. I'ts the "Global Economy" way.
All that manuvering and my retirement funds, primarily in company stock, are all but gone...ain't life funny.
2003-02-12 16:40 | User Profile
What separates this recession from the 1991 version is the nature: a "white-collar recession" versus the manufacturing one. While shops were laying off millions, consultancies/audit firms/banks were hiring plenty of people. Not this one.
H-1B is the biggest outrage I can think of. Honestly, I can't believe Americans tolerate this. however, think about who is being affected:
whites. Do they ever bitch about anything? If blacks were being displaced by the thousands, you can bet Jesse Jackson & Bushie would pull out all the stops.
We never complain. Not even when we are frisked at airports - gotta be "fair", they tell us.
-Jay
2003-02-12 23:07 | User Profile
Most whites are brainwashed - including the "educated" folks, who have had their social training and outlook formed by moronic marxist college "professors", in addition to the media barrage endured by one and all in this country. Things will have to become very uncomfortable for a LOT of whites before things begin to turn.
2003-02-12 23:25 | User Profile
**We never complain. **
Or is it that we never complain in unison? True, propaganda, pre-occupation, distraction, and conformism leave many Americans ignorant. However, a very large number of Americans are aware of the H-1B program and find it outrageous. But they are also pissed off by countless other outrages. The trick is to get everyone (or at least a critical mass) focused on the same thing at the same time, and to get a critical mass to work together to change things. This sort of coordination of action is what the Frankfurt School's "pathologization of gentile group allegiances" was intended to prevent, and this sort of coordination of action is what makes the small but cohesive Jewish group such a political force.
2003-02-12 23:39 | User Profile
that is why we are still ahead in this area.
Wrong RBanman. "You" are ahead in this area because you would do anything to escape that cess pool of a country and will work like a mexican fieldhand in the server farm for dog crap wages.
Let's be truthful.
2003-02-13 07:07 | User Profile
Originally posted by jeffersonian@Feb 12 2003, 23:39 **Wrong RBanman.ÃÂ "You" are ahead in this area because you would do anything to escape that cess pool of a country and will work like a mexican fieldhand in the server farm for dog crap wages.
Let's be truthful.**
Or at least hire people willing to do the same.
2003-02-13 07:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Feb 12 2003, 23:25 > We never complain. **
Or is it that we never complain in unison? The trick is to get everyone (or at least a critical mass) focused on the same thing at the same time, and to get a critical mass to work together to change things. This sort of coordination of action is what the Frankfurt School's "pathologization of gentile group allegiances" was intended to prevent, and this sort of coordination of action is what makes the small but cohesive Jewish group such a political force.**
No doubt, the political ineffectiveness of anti-H1B people is encouraged by the FS. Its political correct type thinking in our society also basically holds that almost any group organizing or activity which doesn't hold that model of "diversity" up in the air is illegitimate. That is why very few organizations nominally assigned to look out for the welfare of the American worker actually do so in this case - because it immediately stats involving things, like immigration that are too "controversial".
The basic point is that they effectively frustrate democracy, making democratic responses and processes impossible, then point to the shift toward extemism as justification for their hard line.
Palestine is the perfect example. Maybe our motto should be Ich ein Palestinian
2003-02-14 06:35 | User Profile
**Ich ein Palestinian **
I don't mean to be a pedant, but you managed to excise a perfectly correct word in Kennedy's 1960 barbarism, while sparing the offending solecism. It should be "Ich bin xxxxx". Ein - nein!.
2003-02-14 17:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Feb 12 2003, 18:42 ** Thank God that IT is a non unionized environment... **
If IT were unionized, every job that could be shipped away would be shipped away.
2003-02-15 00:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by Happy Hacker@Feb 14 2003, 11:51 ** > Originally posted by rban@Feb 12 2003, 18:42 ** Thank God that IT is a non unionized environment... **
If IT were unionized, every job that could be shipped away would be shipped away. **
Not if the mob was on the capitalists doorstep they wouldn't. White workers need to organize to defend their interests by any means necessary. That's what a real union is and it works like hell.
2003-02-15 18:58 | User Profile
Originally posted by W.R.I.T.O.S@Feb 15 2003, 00:08 > Originally posted by Happy Hacker@Feb 14 2003, 11:51 ** > Originally posted by rban@Feb 12 2003, 18:42 ** Thank God that IT is a non unionized environment... **
If IT were unionized, every job that could be shipped away would be shipped away. **
Not if the mob was on the capitalists doorstep they wouldn't. White workers need to organize to defend their interests by any means necessary. That's what a real union is and it works like hell.**
In a theoretical sense and economic, I can see where people don't like unions. But practically today they're a necessity. American workers need communitarian organizations that protect their interests, and right now the people that should be doing the job, our government and educational systems - have completely abdicated their duty to protect their American clients and supporters. Unions are all we have left.
2003-02-15 19:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Feb 15 2003, 18:58 ** In a theoretical sense and economic, I can see where people don't like unions. But practically today they're a necessity. American workers need communitarian organizations that protect their interests... **
I agree with this in spirit. I think practicalities are the killer with this issue.
Government meddling with labor laws since the Reagan years have made union organizing difficult, but that isn't the main problem. Even when people have decided to organize, government certification now takes a decade or more. For most Americans this means unions are not an option at the present time.
Any useful social institution works a bit like a muscle, it must be exercised or we lose it. Americans probably wisely reacted negatively to government unions -- particularly the teacher's union, which Peter Brimelow recently exposed in a book. The trouble is these "unions" were by goverment fiat and had nothing to do with the old trade unions which are nearly gone.
2003-02-15 19:29 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Feb 15 2003, 19:10 **I agree with this in spirit. I think practicalities are the killer with this issue.
Government meddling with labor laws since the Reagan years have made union organizing difficult, but that isn't the main problem. Even when people have decided to organize, government certification now takes a decade or more. For most Americans this means unions are not an option at the present time.
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You're certainly right about this. IT unions are unlikely to help American workers anytime soon. By the time they do, the field will be all foreigners anyway.
Definitely too late to help anyone there now. If IT unions did exist now, of course, we probably would never have had the problem in the first place, we might not even be aware of it.